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US Soccer- MLS Attendance Figures Near Those of NHL and NBA

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by user Sayhey-rod

Much has been written recently in the run-up to the World Cup about the lack of interest the US sporting population has in the MLS (Major League Soccer, the premier soccer league in the US) and how it does not compare to the other pro leagues here in US and abroad. I realize that US soccer is a far way from the level of the big 5 Euro leagues (England, Germany, Italy, Spain and France).

However, looking at the attendance records of other major sports leagues and our European soccer counterparts, you will see that the MLS is competitive with them in terms of attendance. Where the MLS falls short, I suspect, is in player salary figures.

Set aside the big 5 (well, even include France if you want) and what do you have. Leagues such as Scottish Premier League, Portugal's Super League, the Netherlands Eredivise and Brazil's Campeonato that are very close in line to the MLS in attendance figures.

Now, the MLS is at a distinct disadvantage to compete against those non-big-5 leagues due to it's strict salary cap ($2mil) and revenue sharing policies. That might soon change with the private owners such as Red Bull being attracted to invest. But the issue is that MLS strictly negotiates all player salaries, resulting in an equal field/parity/etc environment that is not present in the EURO leagues (except Italy 2nd division to my knowledge).

Should the salary cap be lifted and each team given authority to negotiate for World Cup caliber players, rest assured a DC United or NE Revolution would emerge above other MLS teams in a similar vein as Celtic in Scotland, Fenerbache in Turkey, Porto in Portugal, Ajax in Netherlands.

All that being said, let's shed some light on the real state of the MLS as compared to other pro leagues and it's EURO football counterparts. First, the top five pro leagues worldwide in terms of attendance, and NBA/NHL added for comparison purposes (source: http://www.answers.com/topic/sports-attendances).

Top Pro Leagues in Terms of Attendance

  • League………………….Avg Attendance
  • NFL…………………….67, 593
  • Germany Bundesliga……..37,771
  • Aussie Rules Football…… 37,703
  • England Premiership………33,893
  • MLB……………………..30,970
  • NHL……………………..16,533 (16,954 in 06)


Next, attendance figures for other soccer leagues.

  • Italy - Serie A………………25,805
  • France - Ligue 1…………….21,392
  • Netherlands – Eredivisise…….16,257
  • Scotland – SPL……………...15,659
  • US – MLS…………………..15,108 (16,128 in 2006)
  • Brazil – Campeonato…………13,630
  • Potugal - Super Liga………….10,624

Lastly, the average wages/salaries for the major leagues (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_professional_sports_league)

  • American Football……………..$1.3 million
  • NBA…………………………..$4.9 million
  • NHL…………………………..$1.3 million
  • MLB…………………………..$2.5 million
  • England – Premiership………….£676,000 ($1.25 million)
  • MLS…………………………..$90,000

By looking at the above numbers, it is evident that as of right now, MLS average attendance is very close to that of NHL and NBA. Yet, everyone presumes these leagues to be more accepted and mainstream in America than MLS. And don’t get me started on Europe. In these countries, soccer/football is THE premier pro league offered. For the MLS to outdraw or come close to these leagues in terms of attendance is truly a testament to how well soccer is really received here.

Finally, given the immaturity of the league (founded 1993) and the enhancements that are underway (new deal with ABC/ESPN is in the works, planned expansion from 14-16 teams, new soccer friendly stadiums) look for average player salary and talent levels to increase in correlation. Once that happens, I would not be surprised to see the MLS outdraw NHL and NBA.


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Fri 06/09/06, 8:51 am EST

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Bball3345Draft Pick
1341 days ago
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How many MLS games are there in a season?
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IbeargRed-Shirting
589 days ago
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somewhere around 30
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Awrigh01All-Star
1341 days ago
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wow, only $90,000 for MLS
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
1341 days ago
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MLS plays 32 games in season. What they've done in the last few years is really impressive, as they've stopped hemorraging money and are on their way to being profitable.
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ChristofMVP
1341 days ago
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Doesn't MLS teams play in stadiums that are two / three times the size of NHL / NBA arenas? What is the % of occuplied seats v. un-occupied ones for MLS games?
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ChristofMVP
1341 days ago
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Doesn't MLS teams play in stadiums that are two / three times the size of NHL / NBA arenas? What is the % of occuplied seats v. un-occupied ones for MLS games?
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1341 days ago
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Where did you get you MLB numbers? TB is the lowest in league attendance in 2005 and the draw 14,000+ per game. The 15th team in average attendance is Atlanta with 31,00+.
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1341 days ago
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I also found that MLS attendance has dropped 13.2% from 1996 to 2005 and 2.9% from 2004 to 2005.
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JuTMSY4Legend
1341 days ago
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Any Idea how much MLS tix are. If you told me the local soccer team tix are 5 bucks a pop whereas hockey is 15, guess where I'm going...
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JuTMSY4Legend
1341 days ago
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Actually, I take that back, I'm still going to hockey...
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Sayhey-rodSoccer Kid
1341 days ago
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chachi, the source webpage links right to mlb.com so I assume the #'s are accurate. you can get red bull tix for $20-80 giants stadium. they pissed me off - barcelona is playing them in Aug, and they are making you buy tix to 2-3 other games if you want the barca game. Though that kind of thing is becoming much more frequent now.
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1341 days ago
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I just figured out how you got that number. The person you used or saw took the total attendance for the season and divided it by 162 games and then by 30 teams. That meant that teams got doubled up because there are 2 teams for every game. This number is about 15,000. The actual attendance would be 2 times the amount you got.
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Sayhey-rodSoccer Kid
1341 days ago
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I don't think mlb would do that. "The average attendance of 30,970 fans per game in 2005 is up from 30,401 in the 2004 season." http://tinyurl.com/l78n3
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Sayhey-rodSoccer Kid
1341 days ago
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And I answered my own question. 30,970 is correct in both sources, must've been an error while editing, damn my secretary. Corrected now.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
1341 days ago
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In response Christof, about half of the MLS teams now play in stadiums that seat 20,000-30,000 people (LA, Chivas, Dallas, Chicago, and Columbus). The other play in football stadiums not for capacity but because the grounds are the most suitable for soccer fields and all of the rest are in the process of building new, smaller stadiums.
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Omar19902003Pee Wee
1341 days ago
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who is the highest paid soccer player, Landon Donnovan? whats he make like 1 million or something?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1340 days ago
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Donovan makes 900,000, which is highest.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1340 days ago
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In England, all soccer stadiums are always capacity. Not just in the 20 Premiership teams, but down into the Championship, Leagues One and Two, and beyond. I think NHL and NBA figures are comparable to MLS figures (attendance) because their pitches are smaller, therefore the stadiums are smaller. MLS Stadiums are presumably in access of 20,000, and not many NHL or NBA Stadiums are more than 20,000.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1205 days ago
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The above response is a smart response...
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1083 days ago
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You must take into account that NBA teams have 42 regular season home games, as opposed to 15-16 for MLS/Premiership teams. The best point made here is that MLS is still in it's infancy. While it is competing with the NHL in overall average attendance, the NHL has 16 more franchises than does the MLS with teams that have sold out their arenas for 30 years and running. Once Miami gets their attendance over 15k a game and the MLS gets a more responsible PR department, expect MLS league numbers to surpass 18k with Mr. Posh Spice upping LA's attendance over 30k.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
942 days ago
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Sadly the above response is wrong, Premierships stadia are often not filled to capacity other than the big 4.
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
922 days ago
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How can you compare MLS attendance with NBA, MLB, NHL attendance? I am going to speak for the NBA, since I am a huge NBA fan. Let's see. First of all, the NBA is the indoor sports league with the biggest attendance in the world (followed by the NHL). Every NBA team plays 41 home games, most of them are during the week (when most people have to go to work/school the day after). MLS teams don't play that many home games, plus they play only on the weekends when most people don't have to work. Tickets for NBA games are way more expensive than MLS tickets. Also, NBA arenas are "smaller" compared to most soccer stadiums..only 3-4 arenas are more than 20,000 (Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas) and those arenas are ALWAYS sell out for every NBA game. So, it's obvious that the MLS attendance is close to the NBA and NHL attendances. Also, just so you know, the NBA set an attendance record for the 3rd straight year in the 2006-07 season, so I find this article pretty unfair toward the NBA.
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RomiezzoLegend
922 days ago
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I agree. What if you added NASCAR in there?
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
537 days ago
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MLS teams plays weeknight games every week.
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
922 days ago
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o yea, in the "Top Pro Leagues in Terms of Attendance" section, you forgot to add the NBA, whose attendance is bigger than the NHL.
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Anonymous Fanatic #7
756 days ago
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I'm shocked at the inflated prices of salaries for the NBA, which are the highest of all the salaries compared. That explains why I can't affor a ticket to see a raptors game. I'm a die hard fan and live 2 blocks from the stadium but tickets for upper bowl sell for $40. Or I can get tickets to the Toronto FC for $20 in a great seat. To me there is no comparison. And the atmosphere at the Toronto FC game is a million times better then the Raptors. Why? Because the actual die hard fans are not priced out of tickets.
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Anonymous Fanatic #8
699 days ago
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soccer sucks
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Anonymous Fanatic #9
690 days ago
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lads its called football not soocer!1 and its thr best sport in the world its played in nearly every country professionally!! dnt c american football doin dat
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Anonymous Fanatic #10
674 days ago
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That is because the rest of the world isn't smart enough to understand football. Poor kids in third world countries play soccer. Richer, intelligent nations (minus a couple of small Euro nations) offer sporting alternatives.

That is why football is coached by more than one person. I love playing soccer (played all throughout HS, near NYC and was a High School all-star). I would never miss a pro football, baseball, or hockey game at the expense of soccer though.

I am sooo tired of hearing soccer nerds and the "rest of the world" complaining about popularity of soccer in the US. And yet the rest of the world flocks into America every chance they get to experience our culture! And yet the rest of the world wears NY Yankees hats, Dallas Cowboys hats, etc...
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JuTMSY4Legend
674 days ago
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Service, AF #9 Soccer just got schooled...
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SSreportersLegend
589 days ago
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That's the biggest pile of bull**** I've ever heard.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
537 days ago
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Where to begin? This is so inane that I'll restrict my comments to just a few. Um, even in "rich" countries, soccer is the top sport. Germany is the top economy in Europe, and they are a perennial World Cup power. Their soccer league is also among the top-attended leagues of any kind in the world. Would you consider Japan a rich, intelligent nation? Soccer is popular there. Is there a richer nation than Brazil in South America? I'd say that they follow soccer a bit... And BTW, soccer teams are coached by more than one person. Trust me, professional soccer teams have every bit of the manpower coaching them that your beloved gridiron squads do. Don't pat yourself on the back too much for "our" football being too hard for the rest of the world to comprehend. Do you understand the rules of cricket? It's the 2nd-most popular spectator sport in the world, and its rules and strategy are much more complex than gridiron football. The world certainly doesn't dismiss American football because it's too hard to figure out.
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Anonymous Fanatic #11
243 days ago
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Soory lads , American Sports are not come close to soccer . Most of the sports experts have called Soccer , ' The Beautiful Show On Planet ' . You Americans always try to prove it erong . I live in Asia . People here do not like American sports because these sports are not at all good enough .
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Anonymous Fanatic #12
663 days ago
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baseball is an intelligent sport? listen to some of the players who come here from the DR, some of them have third grade educations, soccer players in europe speak three languages and play all over the continent you can't argue that soccer players aren't intelligent, and have you ever had a foreign exchange student come to your school? they are always two grades smarter than americans, american football isn't an intelligent person's sport, they just huge guys jacked up on steriods running into each other
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Anonymous Fanatic #13
638 days ago
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Enough with the bashing. We can do this all day. Soccer is in fact the biggest sport in the world and no other sport will ever reach that level.

As far as the MLS goes, it is just growing little by little each year. It won't ever be as big as the NFL because of all the other alternatives for soccer around the world. But, the MLS has done a great job in such a short time. Where were the MLB, NFL, NBA in it's first 10 years? Probably not where the MLS is now.

Tickets aren't that cheap either, at least not in LA. Yet LA always seem to get 20-27,000 per game.
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Anonymous Fanatic #14
604 days ago
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Here's a good link to see the MLS attendance compared to capacity of the stadiums. http://mysoc...ared-to.html
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Anonymous Fanatic #15
590 days ago
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How about College Football Stadiums in the US... http://web1....endance.html The Top 25 highest average attendances for college football equaled about 85,000 ....
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Anonymous Fanatic #16
583 days ago
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No comparison, soccer, futbol, or whatever you want to call it is the largest viewed sport in the world. The EPL just signed a record contract in the billions for TV rights. After seeing the Euro 2008 TV ratings, I think it's going to do pretty well here. If they would show EPL games on American TV, I think thost would get better ratings than some other leagues here...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
481 days ago
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I watch EPL games every saturday on Fox's soccer channel.
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Anonymous Fanatic #17
490 days ago
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So How are attendances for 2008?

No doubt Beckham mania has worn off by now.

Are they dropping away, holding steady or increasing?
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Anonymous Fanatic #18
481 days ago
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Soccer is boring, period. It wouldn't matter what games you televise, North Americans aren't interested in boring sports.
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Anonymous Fanatic #19
480 days ago
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numbers don't like retard...the sport is growing exponentially in the US... sorry to break it to you.

I can't understand why your feckin' meatheads hate soccer so much? No one is asking you to play it or watch. Keep it to yourself.

ya...and HOckey is soooooo much more enjoyable?....wankers
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JuTMSY4Legend
480 days ago
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the sport is growing exponentially in the US

0 times any number is?

It may be growing exponentially but that doesn't mean it will have a large group of fans any time soon
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Anonymous Fanatic #20
477 days ago
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Ok. This is stupid. Why can't we agree on the fact that soccer is the world's favorite sport except in a few countries like the US, Canada, and Australia? People in the US love gridiron football above all else. However, it does not mean that there are not a lot of soccer fans here. Nor does it mean that you have to choose sides. I follow MLS, College Football, NFL, NHL, and College Hockey all intently. If I chose one, I'd probably have to choose MLS. Personal choice. It doesn't mean I don't follow my others teams with a passion, and feel the same torment when they lose as when DC United does. We're all entitled to our own opinion, so it's quite stupid to state stupid things like "soccer sucks" or "hockey is so boring." Some people prefer sports like gridiron football and baseball, that require more thinking and less instinct than sports like soccer or hockey, and some prefer to watch a game that flows constantly and doesn't stop between plays or pitches. Most people around the world were never exposed to sports like gridiron, baseball, and hockey, and here soccer has long been the 5th popular sport. But it is a fact that it is growing here. The league is 14 years old. Prior to those 14 years, we hadn't seen any soccer other than the World Cup in 1994. It's going to be a while, but eventually MLS attendance will eclipse NBA and NHL easily, and rival MLB. Some problems are quality of league play and lack of media exposure. I live 20 minutes from the stadium where the New England Revolution play, and the only news we get about them here is a paragraph-long Associated Press article after each game. Whereas, when the Patriots have a game, the Sports section is filled with analysis and thoughts. Similar to how it is in England and other countries where soccer is the dominant sport. The overall message is that we all need to just calm down and accept each others' preferences. Soccer is growing here, football may have a future in England, basketball is becoming globalized because of the Chinese infatuation with it and it's new importance in the Olympics, and baseball is already popular in Asia and South America. Hockey is popular in Europe as well. So we all need to accept that eventually we are all going to be exposed to each others' cultures, and sports will be more global in the future.
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Anonymous Fanatic #21
472 days ago
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i dont cared what other people say. soccer in my mind is the best of all. american football is bunch of fake because they dont have skill all they need is some big guy hiting each other. baseball is boring, stand in one place and hit the and run around the circle.basketball is a little better,u got to have skill.hockey is almost like soccer but when i was it i couln't follow because the ball is too small.
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Anonymous Fanatic #22
470 days ago
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This settles the argument in a civilized fashion... http://www.y...=L_IRLOXOcas
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Anonymous Fanatic #22
470 days ago
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Now who got schooled???
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Anonymous Fanatic #23
358 days ago
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MLS is a better league than David Beckham thought. When he wasn't on the injury list he spent a lot of time getting out hustled by younger players in MLS. AC Milan have not improved at all because of Beckham. AC Milan are a team of stars that make Beckham lok better. In MLS, however, Beckham has done little to make anyone look good much less the team as a whole. They have failed to make the playoffs since Beckham has been there.

MLS is a great league. It is still developing but it is getting better. MLS has passed up the Scottish Premier League in average game attendance. Our teams have had a lot of success in MLS v Euro team friendly matches (against full strength squads).

Some may argue that with new expansion teams the strength of the current MLS teams will be spread out and lose depth but the way MLS has set up their development teams and changes to the grass roots systems as well as international scouting I see the MLS only getting stronger.

The one thing that MLS needs to compete is better presentation. They need to broadcast soccer in HD. They need to educate commentators and camera crews.

Americans love soccer. Americans love MLS. Once it is given the priority other sports have then you will see the true interest of the sport go up (or at least the average viewer ratings. NFL, NBA, & MLB do not want to see their 80,000 seat stadiums go empty. So they will do the opposite of promote a sport that highly threatens their average viewer rating as well as over priced ticket sales.

People who complain that MLS has no quality are probably people who only compare it to soccer giants such as Man Utd., Barcelona FC, etc...

With the MLS having such a low salary cap per team. I would rate MLS the worlds "pound for pound" best league in the world.
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SSreportersLegend
334 days ago
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Uhhhhhhhhhhh no.
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Anonymous Fanatic #24
334 days ago
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One thing that i think the mls suffers from is the distance between teams, whereas in the uk there are many local derbies. These create huge passion within the local community and generate to atmosphere's that are largely unrivaled in any sport. Good look to the mls though as, i watched the superbowl and its nowhere near as entertaining as PROPER FOOTBALL unless u like adverts that is.
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Anonymous Fanatic #24
334 days ago
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luck even lol
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Anonymous Fanatic #25
327 days ago
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This may be a couple years too late, but the reality is that in an American sports landscape saturated with sports, there is simply no room for soccer.

To bash and make any generalizations is quite absurd. Football is, yes, filled with incredibly strong athletes who are also fast and quick. There is strategy in the game, it is simply difficult to see from a novice stand point.

I have watched a couple MLS games (terrible) and the last three World Cups (much better), but the game is still painfully slow. The game is not as slow as baseball, but it is still difficult to watch unless you are raised in a culture (Europe, South America, counter cultural hipsters) that prefer the sport.

For all the running soccer fans talk about you would think the game would have constant attacks on the goal. Instead there is an awful lot of light jogging and standing still to position oneself according to game strategy. There is perpetual motion, but not incredibly active motion.

I used to play soccer as a kid and though this is obviously a much less skilled experience, it is representative of the sport.

Yes a defensive lineman would not last two minutes in a soccer match, but a soccer defender would not last two plays in the trenches. Football and soccer are different sports that require different skills. Simple as that. Neither is any better or worse in reality. Different cultures have simply adopted a love for each sport.
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Anonymous Fanatic #26
277 days ago
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And.... with our increasingly global world, it is only a matter of time before we are all exposed to everything. Soccer is fast paced, and exciting. Goals don't always = exciting. Even in American sports. Some of the most exciting football and baseball games are low scoring. Its not the low scoring that makes Americans dislike soccer, its that they do not understand the intricacies of the game. Period. People from around the world also think football is EXTREMELY boring. And I mean extremely. They don't understand the significance of getting a crucial first down, or don't have the eye to catch an amazing trick play. Things like that. Likewise, Americans don't see the beauty in a string of gorgeous passes, can't see the genius behind an offensive (or defensive) play, and don't understand the excitement and significance of a corner kick or a set play. Everything is relative. Soccer is not boring, it is a growing sport, and it is a sport that belongs to a newer generation of Americans. Will it be more popular than football? No. But will it gain a strong following in due time? 100% yes. If you say otherwise, you honestly have no sense of the sport in this nation.
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JuTMSY4Legend
277 days ago
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or a worldly globe...
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Anonymous Fanatic #27
239 days ago
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You know, regardless of who you are, you're going to find at least one or two of the major sports incredibly boring. I've played baseball, soccer, basketball, and hockey competetively. All require skill, which I don't have much, but these major sports feature the best of the best in players. They love the game, and the fans who love the game love them. Americans don't hate soccer, they're the third most populous nation in the world and I'm pretty sure the USA is in the top 30 best soccer teams. But, soccer didn't really become mainstream until after football, basketball, hockey, baseball and even NASCAR were well represented. Some people think soccer is a useless boring sport, but other people don't even comsider baseball a sport because you can be overweight and really good. (Babe Ruth) Same goes for NASCAR. Hell, even the sport which pays the most for the amount of work involved, golf, has more fat guys than thin. Basically every sport has it's following, and in different areas some sports have more of a following than others. Canada it's hockey. USA it's football/baseball. England it's soccer (or football for you europeans). Australia it's Aussie Rules Football. South Africa it's rugby. But these are just generalizations. As each sport gets more worldly exposure, fan bases everywhere will grow.
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Anonymous Fanatic #28
225 days ago
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LOL! It's easy to average 16k when you play 8 home games, they're usually on the weekend, tickets are cheap relative to the other sports and virtually all the fans go to the games. This article might mean something if it were a longer season and people actually watched the sport on television in the US.
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Anonymous Fanatic #29
225 days ago
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Soccer is fun to play until you learn to play a real sport.
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Anonymous Fanatic #30
148 days ago
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Have just stumbled upon this debate whilst bored. It always makes the rest of the world laugh when Americans try an justify the quality of their sports compared to Football (AKA in USA only Soccer). No statistic in the world will back up any arguement that any of the "Major" American sports is bigger than Football. Football is a world religion that only the US dont seem to get. It is not called the beautiful game for no reason. I love nearly all sports but sitting through the Superbowl was one of the most painful experiences of my life, about 3 hours in I was confused as to whether it was supposed to be a sporting event or a very long boring commercial. The fact that American fans dont understand football is just underlined by the abuse Beckham gets in the states, when he was bought everyone interviewed in the crowd was going on about how he was going to score all these goals and win the league for the Galaxy, anyone who knows anything about football knew he was never going to do that. Even in his prime Beckham was never a goal scorer, his strength is his technique, crossing, free kick taking and general quality in possession of the ball, he doesnt surrender possession of the ball, these are all key attributes at the very top level of football. MLS supporters dont seem to appreciate that quality. Let me give you an example, earlier in this discusssion there were some US fans bigging up Landon Donavan as a top player. Landon Donavan played 4 years in Germany and only played 7 games in that time, he was on loan at Bayern Munich in January 09, took part in 6 games and did not score once or make any impact. Bayern did not offer him another deal because he wasnt as good as their reserves. My point here is that there is a good reason why Beckham has top European clubs chasing him and Donavan doesnt. The sad fact is that MLS is a poor standard of football, until the US start to produce top world class players football will never be popular in the states. At the moment the US are 12th in the FIFA rankings but this is a false position, the reason being its the way the different federations are put together. The US are in Concacaf federation that is why they qualify for the World Cup now and again and get ranking points. If the US were in the South Amercian Qualifying group or Eurapean group I doubt they would have ever qualified for a world cup.

Conclusion -

1 - American sports awful to everyone apart from Amercians.

2 - MLS is an awful standard of football, Beckham is the best player in the league by a mile but because he doesnt score every week Amercians dont understand why he is any good.

3 - Dont be fooled by US 12th FIFA ranking, they are no where near the 12th best international team in the world.

PS - stop trying to play an NFL game at Wembley, lONDON every year, nobody in the UK cares

PPS - for all you baseball fans out there, try watching cricket, the fielders are not allowed to wear a glove but are still expected to catch the ball!!! The ball is harder, and it is not illegal for a 150kmh bowler to ball at the batsmens head!!!

Over and out!!!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #31
129 days ago
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I also just stumbled upon this interesting debate, and I would like to put in my 2 cents worth as a casual American soccer fan. I was once a season ticket holder for the old San Jose Earthquakes of the NASL back in the early 80's but would never even consider attending a MLS game. The simple reason is that the MLS game is a bore. There is little deliberate crisp passing. Mostly long kicks and long runs that result in nothing. A friend of mine who moved to the US from the Ukraine was all excited to get his season tickets to the "new" San Jose Earthquakes last year. By mid year, he stopped going to the games because they were so poorly played and boring. He could not give his tickets away.

Another problem with the MLS, is that it cannot keep interest up in its older markets. Most of the those teams such as New England, DC and New York have seen their attendance slip year by year. It is only the newer teams comming into the league, such as Seattle and Toronto that have kept the average attendance respectable. I would be willing to bet that attendance in those cities will start to fade in a couple of years. That is exactly what happened in the old NASL, and they had to start bringing in the aging European stars just to keep people interested. Hmmm, just what the MLS is starting to do!

The best example of where soccer in the US is headed would be my 7 year old son. He is in his third year of organized soccer and loves to play. But how many soccer games has he asked to watch on TV?........Zero. How many baseball games......hundreds. How many Earthquake games has he asked to go to.....zero. How many 49er (NFL) and Giants (Baseball) games.......hundreds.

Millions of Americans who are now in their 30's, 40's and even 50's played AYSO soccer in their youth. Why are they not buying MLS tickets?
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Anonymous Fanatic #32
108 days ago
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This is a very interesting thread. I too am one of those US soccer fans who would like to see it succeed here in the States. However, as the previous Fanatic mentioned, unfortunately, I do not see a great future for the sport here. First, everybody seems SOOOOO excited by the 16,000 people that the MLS is averaging in attendance. However if you look at those figures, much of it comes from doubleheaders where two big international teams play an friendly first and then a regular MLS game is played after that. At these matches which normally draw 60,000 or more, most of the fans leave before the MLS game begins. However, the MLS counts 60,000 as the paid attendance. Most of the attendees at these matches are recent immigrants to the US. Though these fans love soccer, chances are their offspring will gravitate to American football, baseball and basketball as they get assimilated into the culture. While the father will wear a "Pumas" jersey, the son will more likely wear a Raiders jersey or Dodgers hat. Also, if you look at which sports are the most popular in the US, they involve a lot of "thinking" like an earlier writer pointed out. American football, baseball and basketball all involve a great deal of strategy and involvment from the coach or manager. Most American sports fans love to play coach and think along with him trying to predict the next move. These American sports are very complex games, where the coach or manager has a great deal of input as to the eventual outcome. Soccer on the other hand, though a beautiful game, has none of these factors that American's love. Other than a substitution once or twice in a game, the coach has very little to do with the outcome. During a telecast of a typical soccer match, if the camera shows the coach, he is usually sitting with his arms crossed, being a spectator. This in my opinion is why many Americans consider soccer to be boring, and unfortunately, this will never change.
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Anonymous Fanatic #33
103 days ago
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The countries u are comparing some have nowhere near the population of US so no shit they are catching up to those countries some of them have like 50 million to US 300 million
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