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The 100 Greatest Quarterbacks of the Modern Era, Version 1.0

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by Davis21wylie

At first glance, it seems like a simple question: Who is the greatest quarterback of the NFL's modern era? Plenty of people have debated this very topic over the years, with supporting evidence that runs from "Bradshaw has more rings," to "Marino has more raw passing yards," and every other factoid in between. But championships alone aren't a true measure of great quarterbacking -- after all, we can't hold a guy responsible for the poor play of his defense, right? And raw stats can be just as misleading, since passers who played under the bygone rules of basically "no blood, no foul" pass interference can't possibly contend with today's quarterbacks, whose receivers are hardly allowed to be touched by defenders. The good news, though, is that historical stats can be adjusted for context to better reflect reality, and that championships can be incorporated into such a statistical system as well. The result is my list, which attempts to be fair to both past and modern players, to both stat-stuffers and championship-winners, and to both classic drop-back statues and wild scramblers.

Note: If you don't care about the method behind the rankings, feel free to skip down a few paragraphs and look at the rankings themselves.

The Method

Let me begin by saying that this is an article I've been meaning to do for quite some time. You see, last Fall I created a statistical method for NFL players that expanded on Sean Lahman's Adjusted Yards system, converting yards to scoreboard points and comparing players to a replacement-level baseline to get a general idea of their offensive value. It wasn't the first time someone had used the adjusted yards system to rank players, but to my knowledge it was the first time someone had conducted a replacement-level analysis using adjusted yards as a framework. While it was not anywhere near as sophisticated as the DPAR system that Football Outsiders uses, it was much more accessible, and (as these guys proved) it could be applied to any level of football, and any sample size (single-game, single-season, etc.).

Anyway, I published the results every week during the NFL season, and I was generally happy with the way it turned out. However, there were limitations to the dataset -- sacks were not included, which ultimately served to overrate rushing QBs (or does anyone really think Michael Vick was the 4th-best quarterback in football last year?). Also, WR "targets" were not available, so receivers' "plays" were simply their catches, which ended up overrating wideouts, especially those with low catch %'s. And since I cannot find a historical database with sack numbers or WR targets, I put off the task of applying my numbers to every player in NFL history, shelving the project for a rainy day.

About a month ago, I dug up the old data again and started tinkering. After much work, I found that I could get around the sack problem by simply valuing QB rushing yards less than regular rushing yards -- about 40% less, to be exact. How did I arrive at that number? First, I needed to determine how much of the "blame" for lost yardage on sacks should be assessed to the QB himself. I looked at Football Outsiders' adjusted sack data from 2006, and saw that about 25% of the difference between the worst and the best pass-blocking offensive lines could fairly be attributed to non-blockers -- in other words, to the QB himself. So quarterbacks' rushing numbers get docked 25% of the negative yards on sacks. That was the first step; I then had to determine how to subtract these yards from historical players in the absence of actual sack data. To that end, I summed each team's QB rushing yards gained for every season since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970, and subtracted from that total 25% of their sack yards lost, which left quarterbacks with roughly 60% of their rushing value. This is not a perfect solution, of course -- it assumes that there is a perfectly linear relationship between sack yards and rushing yards, which is not true -- but it does fix the problem of overvaluing running QBs, which is what I set out to do.

The problem surrounding WR targets was equally frustrating, and it was compounded by the fact that such data simply doesn't exist for seasons prior to the turn of the century. At first, I was willing to use team completion % as a proxy for each receiever's individual catch %, but I realized that this undervalues WRs who play with inaccurate quarterbacks. Instead, I ended up simply applying the league's completion % to each receiver's catch total to estimate their number of "targets". While this is not an ideal solution, it at least improves upon the old method, and it isn't overly unfair to wideouts who play with scattershot passers.

With these improvements, my Adjusted Yards/PAR system was better than ever. But I still could not use it to compare players from different eras, because the game of football has changed so dramatically over the years. To put together any kind of historical research, I would first have to normalize each player's stats to a neutral environment. I chose the 2006 season as that environment, because that way the normalized stats will look like numbers players put up in today's context, making it easier for us to interpret them.

How to normalize: Take the raw stats. Calculate the completions/game, pass attempts/game, passing yards/game, TD passes/game, interceptions/game, rushing attempts/game, rushing yards/game, and rushing TD/game for the season in question. For the 2006 NFL, they went like this:

GP	LgCmp/G	LgAtt/G	LgPYds/G LgPTD/G LgInt/G LgRush/G LgRYds/G LgRTD/G
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
16	19.14	32.01	219.29	 1.27	 1.02	 28.22	  117.31   0.83

Now, divide the player total in each category (completions, passing yds, etc.) by the appropriate league numbers, and multiply by the 2006 numbers. Then adjust for the length of schedule, extrapolating the raw totals to a 16-game season. Like magic, your new totals will be normalized, able to go up against any other season without fear of cross-era distortions.

Let's take a look at an example... In 1966, Len Dawson of the Kansas City Chiefs put up this stat line en route to an AFL title and a spot in the very first Super Bowl:

                 +---------------------------------------+-----------------+
                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1966 kan |  14 |   159   284  56.0  2527   8.9  26  10 |    24   167   0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

The environment of the 1966 AFL looked like this:

GP	LgCmp/G	LgAtt/G	LgPYds/G LgPTD/G LgInt/G LgRush/G LgRYds/G LgRTD/G
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
14	14.62	31.60	215.30	 1.58	 1.72	 28.95	  116.13   0.90


So, after applying our normalization technique to Dawson's raw stats, this is the equivalent performance in the 2006 NFL:

                 +---------------------------------------+-----------------+
                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2006 kan |  16 |   238   329  72.3  2942   8.9  24   7 |    27   193   0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

Repeating this procedure for every player-season in the NFL since 1950, we now have a database of stats that can be compared with each other to determine the best modern players at each position.

The Rankings

Today, we're going to look at the most valuable quarterbacks since 1950. For every QB, I added up their career PAR totals, which served as a starting point, and I then added bonus points for postseason success, including Super Bowl wins, NFL or AFL Championship Game victories, and (least of all) Super Bowl losses. Of course, I didn't slavishly follow the resulting list when formulating my Top 100, but the results do factor heavily into my final list of the top quarterbacks since 1950. Now, to the rankings!

(Note: The stats on this page have been normalized to 2006's environment, and all seasons -- including the strike year in 1982 -- were pro-rated to a 16-game schedule. For instance, I know that Johnny Unitas did not throw for more than 4,000 yards in 1957, but his 2,550 yards that year are equivalent to 4,339 in 2006. For more information about PAR and the other advanced stats below, go here. Also, credit for the database is due to Doug Drinen and the great folks at Pro-Football-Reference. You guys rock!)

The Top 20

#1: Johnny Unitas

Ladies and gentlemen, the greatest quarterback of the modern era. Can you believe that the Pittsburgh Steelers had their hands on this guy, but cut him in favor of Ted Marchibroda? At any rate, he would later avert a potential career as a steel worker by making coach Weeb Eubanks' Baltimore Colts roster... And the rest is history. Johnny U. would eventually lead the Colts to two NFL Championships (including 1958, when Baltimore defeated the Giants in the so-called "Greatest Game Ever Played") and a Super Bowl title, obliterating most NFL passing records along the way. Unitas once tossed a TD pass in 47 straight games, which is football's version of Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hit streak -- staggering, and unbreakable. In addition to his amazing passing resume (see below), Unitas remains perhaps the prototype for drop-back quarterbacks, an unshakable leader with ridiculous poise, timing, and accuracy in the pocket. In the final analysis, Unitas' winning ways and his influence on the game give him the edge over Tarkenton and Marino, both of whom had the better pure statistical records.

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#2: Joe Montana

If Johnny Unitas is #1 on our list, then consider Montana #1A. To many, Joe Cool embodied everything that a quarterback should be: calm under pressure, unfailingly accurate, blessed with great vision and anticipation, and a consummate leader. His statistical resume backs this up -- Montana ranks fourth all-time in PAR, and is the second-greatest QB ever after accounting for his amazing postseason record. Perhaps more so than any other QB, Montana thrived with the season on the line, as his four Super Bowl rings can attest to. But his regular season numbers are just as impressive: he was already the best QB in the NFL by his third season, and didn't let up until a back injury cut his season short in 1986. Upon his return, he picked up right where he left off, putting together a career season in 1989. Even the Kansas City version of Montana was an elite QB, ranking 5th among passers in PAR in 1994, at the ripe old age of 37. Because he combined winning and statistical achievement better than anyone but (perhaps) Unitas, Montana is a natural choice for our list as the second-greatest QB of all time.

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#3: Fran Tarkenton

Some people may be shocked to see Tarkenton ranked this high on a greatest quarterbacks list. You shouldn't be. Purely looking at regular season performance, Fran Tarkenton is the greatest quarterback of all-time, and it's not even close. He was one of the first scrambling QBs to be successful in the NFL, amassing 3674 career rushing yards, a record for the position that stood until Randall Cunningham broke it in the late eighties. More importantly, though, Tarkenton could beat teams with his arm -- he still ranks 5th all-time in raw (unadjusted) passing yards, and third in TD passes. When adjusted for his era, he looks even more impressive; using PAR stats from last year as a reference, Tarkenton put up the equivalent of Carson Palmer's 2006 season (roughly 70 PAR) 10 times over the course of his 18-year career! The only knock on Tarkenton is that he never won a championship in his career, losing three Super Bowls. But a handful of playoff disappointments should not cause him to drop any lower than third place on this list. His consistently outstanding play during the regular season is often overshadowed by his Super Bowl failures, but we shouldn't forget what a truly great quarterback Tarkenton was.

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#4: Dan Marino

Marino is the most naturally talented quarterback ever, hands down. And until Brett Favre and Peyton Manning get a few more years under their belts, he will still at least be the most prolific quarterback of all time. In terms of raw tools, Marino still has no rival -- everything about him, from his size (6'4") to his cannon arm strength, laser accuracy, and lightning-quick release, defines the prototype for the position. His numbers are above reproach; while Tarkenton is ahead of him in the overall PAR stats, Frantic Fran needed 36 more adjusted games played than Marino, and Marino still ranks 1st all-time in passing yards and TDs. Still, Marino's career cannot be assessed without considering his lack of Super Bowl success (or even Super Bowl appearances -- 1984 was his lone SB). It's not like Miami wasn't talented enough to contend (they made the playoffs in 10 of Marino's 17 seasons), but after '84 they never put together another deep playoff run under Marino's watch. And it's this lack of postseason accomplishment that keeps Marino out of the Top 3.

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#5: John Elway

Following Denver's unceremonious exit from the playoffs at the hands of the upstart Jacksonville Jaguars in 1996, few would have placed John Elway in the pantheon of the 5 greatest QBs ever. While Elway always had top-notch physical tools (notably one of the strongest arms ever, plus great wheels when he was younger) and seemingly made at least one jaw-dropping play every game, he also carried a damning postseason record, having become the second QB (Tarkenton is the other) to lose three Super Bowls in a career, defeats that often came in embarrassing blowout fashion. But everything changed in 1997, when Elway's Broncos toppled Brett Favre and the favored Packers to capture Super Bowl XXXII. After winning another World Championship the following year, Elway retired at the top of the football world, having silenced all of his playoff doubters. Aside from 1993, Elway never had an overwhelming statistical season, but he was consistently very good, posting at least 48 PAR on ten occasions during his 16-year career. He currently ranks third in NFL history in passing yards, and fourth in touchdowns, numbers well worthy of the 5th-ranked modern QB.

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#6: Steve Young

Steve Young was never as naturally gifted as some of his counterparts on this list -- he never had the arm strength of Elway or the size of Marino, and many of his most memorable plays were mad scrambles or improvised tosses into the back of the end zone, not rifle-armed frozen ropes. Plus, how many of the other guys in the Top 10 started their pro careers in the USFL, only to head to the sad-sack Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the fledgling league went belly-up? From such an inauspicious start came greatness for Young, who emerged from the shadow of Joe Montana to become the best quarterback in football from 1991 to 1998. After Montana left Frisco for Kansas City, Young put together a number of the greatest seasons by a QB ever during his time at the helm of the 49ers' offense, shattering the passer rating record in 1994 and eclipsing 86.0 PAR on four separate occasions, also an all-time benchmark. Young's combination of high-efficiency passing and scrambling ability is unmatched in the history of the NFL, and he also added a Super Bowl championship to his resume when San Francisco destroyed San Diego in Super Bowl XXIX. All in all, it was a Hall of Fame career for Young, proving that it's not how you start, but how you finish.

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#7: Ken Anderson

You might be asking yourself, "Who?" Just kidding; Anderson isn't exactly that anonymous, though he might as well be to the Hall of Fame selection committee, a group that has consistently snubbed him at every turn. Perhaps the most criminally underrated player in NFL history, Anderson has never gotten his proper due from the Hall, despite being one of the 10 greatest quarterbacks ever. We can correct that injustice on our list, however, because all it takes is one look at Anderson's stats (adjusted or unadjusted) and you can see why he needs to be enshrined in Canton. He was the best quarterback in football on a number of occasions in the seventies and early eighties, posting truly ridiculous numbers in 1974, 1975, 1981 (when he was the league's MVP and led Cincy to the Super Bowl), and the short 1982 season. When he retired, he was among the NFL's all-time leaders in completion % and passing yards, and led the NFL in passer rating four times. Under Bill Walsh's tutelage, Anderson was also the very first West Coast Offense QB. In most fields, this body of work would cause you to be viewed as a pioneer and a legend, but not in the NFL, where his status as the first WCO passer seems to be held up as an excuse not to vote him in. But let's get one thing straight: Anderson wasn't a "system quarterback". He was simply one of the best QBs of all time. And you're telling me that the Hall of Fame doesn't have room for him?

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#8: Dan Fouts

Another product of Bill Walsh's innovative offensive mind (Walsh was the Chargers' OC in 1976 and planted the seeds for their high-powered passing attack), Fouts hit his stride under coach Don "Air" Coryell in 1978. From '78 to '82, Fouts played at a level reserved for only the best QBs in football history, twice leading the league in PAR and finishing in the Top 5 three more times. Fouts threw an amazing deep ball, and had a great stable of receivers to throw to, including Charlie Joiner, Kellen Winslow, John Jefferson, and Wes Chandler. Among his many statistical accomplishments, Fouts had back-to-back 30-TD seasons in 1980 and 1981, and threw for 4,000+ yards in '79, '80, and '81, both of which were very rare feats at the time. Had his 1982 campaign not been shortened by the strike, he was on pace for one of the great passing seasons of all time (pro-rated to 16 games, Fouts would have eclipsed 5,000 passing yards that year). So while he never led San Diego to the Super Bowl, Fouts' impressive stats earn him a spot in our all-time Top 10.

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#9: Brett Favre

Favre has become one of the most polarizing figures in the league nowadays, but we shouldn't let that obscure what a great career he has had. It's a testament to how good this guy is that he maintained his position as one of the best QBs in the league despite an interception percentage that actually ranks well below average in recent seasons. Is Favre the best gunslinger ever? Probably. Nobody else in the Top 10 turned the ball over nearly as much as he does, and yet his numbers still stack up well when compared to them -- which is astonishing, given the sizable penalty for interceptions in adjusted yards. Favre had a few truly elite seasons in the mid-1990's, declined over the next few years, but then jumped back into the GOAT discussion with a very good five-year stretch from 2000 to 2004, when he was maybe the best age 30+ QB ever. Regardless of whether when we think he should have retired, Favre has been both an exciting player and an effective player throughout his career, which is a hard combination to maintain.

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#10: Roger Staubach

Along with David Robinson, the best athlete the U.S. Naval Academy ever produced. Staubach is probably best-known for his scrambling ability and late-game heroics, but his pure passing skills can also stand up to those of anyone in the history of the league. After sitting behind Craig Morton (#26 on our list) for two seasons, Staubach became Dallas' starter in 1971 and unleashed the fury on opposing defenses, ranking as the best QB in football by PAR in 1971, 1973, 1977, and 1979 (and finishing in the Top 5 four other times). He also led the Cowboys to two Super Bowl wins (although he lost two SBs as well). Because of his Navy duty, Staubach had the shortest career of any Top 10 member; he had only 11 seasons in total, 8 full, with only 146 adjusted games played. Had he played the same number of adjusted games as Tarkenton (assuming he would maintain his PAR/G rate), Staubach would rank as the most valuable QB of all time. He is also one of those rare Heisman Trophy winners to become an all-time great at the NFL level, which should count for something.

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#11: Sonny Jurgensen

Is Jurgensen one of the most underappreciated quarterbacks ever, or what? Vince Lombardi once said that Sonny was a better passer than the great Bart Starr (#13) -- but Starr's name constantly comes up in GOAT talks, while Jurgensen seems to be forgotten by everybody outside the Redskins' fan base. Why? Because Jurgensen won only 1 NFL crown and never won a Super Bowl, while Starr copped 3 NFL titles and 2 Super Bowls. But is that fair? Comparing their stats, it's pretty obvious that Jurgensen was a much better passer than Starr; he still ranks 11th in passing TDs, more than 30 years after his final game, and compiled 7,506 more yards than his Green Bay counterpart. Granted, Starr was not a high-volume passer, and his career yards/attempt was slightly higher than Jurgensen's, but there's something to be said for a guy that leads the league in PAR twice, finishes second another two times, and has a significantly higher PAR/G than somebody who is frequently mentioned as maybe the best QB ever. This isn't necessarily a knock on Starr, but rather an admonition to think of Jurgensen (and even Len Dawson) as residing in the same neighborhood as Starr.

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#12: Len Dawson

Like Unitas, Dawson was another great QB that was discarded by the Pittsburgh Steelers, only to find greatness elsewhere. It's interesting that six of the Top 12 quarterbacks on our list (Unitas, Young, Elway, Favre, Jurgensen, and Dawson) had their best years with teams other than the ones that drafted them. So when is the proper time to give up on a young quarterback, anyway? I'm not sure; in some cases, it takes years for a QB to develop into a truly great one (see Terry Bradshaw), while in other cases teams have held on to "prospect" QBs too long before cutting bait (see Trent Dilfer in Tampa). There doesn't seem to a hard-and-fast rule on when a good QB is going to become good... although if a young QB doesn't at least show great improvement from his first year as a starter to his second, you can probably write him off as never becoming a good quarterback. As for Dawson, he was rejected by both the Steelers and the Browns (who had Milt Plum) before finding a home with the Dallas Texans/Kansas City Chiefs. The Steelers instead went with an aging Bobby Layne and then Ed Brown, neither of whom were anywhere near as good as Dawson from that point on, while the Browns ended up handing the starting job to Frank Ryan, who was nowhere near as good as Dawson either. Meanwhile, Dawson went on to win a Super Bowl and 2 AFL titles with the Chiefs. The moral of the story? Always give your first-round QB at least a chance to make an impact!

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#13: Bart Starr

The Derek Jeter of football. You know, a very good player (and a great leader) who ended up as the face of one of his sport's greatest dynasties, despite there being plenty of other players who contributed more to the team's success. It's certainly not a bad gig if you can get it, but let's face it: Bart Starr, just like Derek Jeter, has no business being in GOAT discussions, not now, not ever. If anything, Starr should be regarded as the patron saint of game managers, since he was asked (much like Trent Dilfer for the 2000 Ravens) to lead the team and let the Packers' running game and defense go out and win games for Coach Lombardi. He was the best game manager ever, mind you, routinely putting up numbers that look quite good when adjusted to 2006's offensive environment. But his numbers aren't anywhere near as impressive as those of someone like Unitas, and his winning record can only count for so much. Football is a team game, and people act as though Starr won those five championships all by his lonesome, which was just not the case. He was a very good player, and he definitely deserved his MVP for a great season in 1966, but once you get past the titles there's very little evidence that he was one of the Top 5 (or even Top 10) signal-callers of all-time.

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#14: Warren Moon

God bless the Run-n-Shoot offense... Under coaches Jerry Glanville and Jack Pardee in Houston, Moon became the best-ever practitioner of the now-defunct (at the NFL level, at least) offensive scheme, putting up ungodly numbers in the late eighties and early nineties. But while Moon's eye-popping stats were heavily influenced by the pass-happy Mouse Davis offense in which he played, he was not merely a product of that system. Moon enjoyed success at every level of football, from college (as a senior, he led Washington to a Rose Bowl win over heavily favored Michigan, taking home MVP honors) to the Canadian Football League (where he remains one of the best QBs ever after leading the Edmonton Eskimos to five consecutive Grey Cup titles) and, finally, the NFL. In 17 seasons with the Oilers, Vikings, Seahawks, and Chiefs, Moon put together a statistical resume that few can match, ranking 4th all-time in pass attempts, completions, and yards, and 5th in touchdown passes. In terms of PAR, he broke the 60.0 barrier four times (including a stunning 102.5 in 1990 that ranks among the greatest seasons by a QB ever), and finished 11th in all-time total PAR. Run-n-Shoot or not, it was a damn good career for a guy who initially went undrafted because NFL scouts thought he'd never make it as a QB.

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#15: Peyton Manning

The youngest member of our Top 15, Manning will almost certainly break the Top 5 someday. He is also, perhaps along with his nemesis Tom Brady, this generation's signature NFL icon. Close your eyes and you can picture him now, arms flailing akimbo, madly audibling at the line before dropping back, surveying the defense with the steely gaze of an assassin, and firing a picture-perfect pass to Marvin Harrison in the back of the end zone... Speaking of that great Manning-Harrison combo, it's surprising how few of our Top 15 quarterbacks are strongly associated with one specific receiver. Montana and Young are both immediately linked to Jerry Rice, of course; likewise, Dan Marino had Mark Clayton/Mark Duper early in his career, and Fouts had Charlie Joiner and Kellen Winslow -- but you'd be hard-pressed to identify the favorite target of, say, Len Dawson, or even Bart Starr. In that sense, the Colts have been extremely blessed to have both an all-time great QB and an all-time great WR hit their primes for the team at the same time, because it just doesn't happen all that often, especially not in the salary cap era. And just like Montana-to-Rice, Manning-to-Harrison will someday go down as one of a handful of the most famous passing tandems in football history.

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#16: Roman Gabriel

Roman Gabriel is the very best quarterback in the history of the Rams, narrowly edging out the player right below him on this list, Norm Van Brocklin, for the honor (477 PAR for Gabriel, versus 431 for N.V.B.). Here are the best quarterbacks in the history of the NFL's other 31 franchises:

Falcons: Steve Bartkowski, Michael Vick

Bills: Jim Kelly, Joe Ferguson

Panthers: Steve Beuerlein, Jake Delhomme

Bears: Sid Luckman, Jim McMahon

Bengals: Ken Anderson, Boomer Esiason

Browns: Otto Graham, Brian Sipe

Colts: Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning

Cardinals: Jim Hart, Neil Lomax

Cowboys: Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman

Broncos: John Elway, Craig Morton

Lions: Bobby Layne, Greg Landry

Packers: Brett Favre, Bart Starr

Texans: David Carr, Tony Banks

Jaguars: Mark Brunell, Byron Leftwich

Chiefs: Len Dawson, Trent Green

Dolphins: Dan Marino, Bob Griese

Vikings: Fran Tarkenton, Daunte Culpepper

Saints: Archie Manning, Aaron Brooks

Patriots: Tom Brady, Steve Grogan

Giants: Phil Simms, Fran Tarkenton

Jets: Joe Namath, Ken O'Brien

Titans: Steve McNair, Warren Moon

Eagles: Donovan McNabb, Randall Cunningham

Steelers: Terry Bradshaw, Neil O'Donnell

Raiders: Ken Stabler, Daryle Lamonica

Ravens: Vinny Testaverde, Eric Zeier

Chargers: Dan Fouts, John Hadl

Seahawks: Dave Krieg, Jim Zorn

49ers: Joe Montana, Steve Young

Buccaneers: Doug Williams, Brad Johnson

Redskins: Sonny Jurgensen, Sammy Baugh

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#17: Norm Van Brocklin

After permanently taking over for longtime Rams QB (and eventual Hall of Famer) Bob Waterfield in 1953, Van Brocklin quickly established himself as the best quarterback in football, even after being sent to the Eagles in 1958. He won the 1951 NFL Championship while sharing quarterbacking duties with Waterfield (they co-piloted maybe the best offense in NFL history that season) and captured another title with Philadelphia in 1960, before embarking on a less-than-successful coaching career with the Vikings and Falcons. As was hinted to earlier, Van Brocklin was the greatest QB in the NFL during the decade of the 1950s... Here are the all-decade quarterback lists:

1950s 1. Norm Van Brocklin 2. Bobby Layne 3. Otto Graham 4. Y.A. Tittle 5. Johnny Unitas

1960s 1. Johnny Unitas 2. Fran Tarkenton 3. Sonny Jurgensen 4. Bart Starr 5. Len Dawson

1970s 1. Roger Staubach 2. Fran Tarkenton 3. Ken Anderson 4. Bob Griese 5. Terry Bradshaw

1980s 1. Joe Montana 2. Dan Fouts 3. Dan Marino 4. Boomer Esiason 5. Phil Simms

1990s 1. Steve Young 2. John Elway 3. Dan Marino 4. Troy Aikman 5. Brett Favre

2000s 1. Peyton Manning 2. Donovan McNabb 3. Tom Brady 4. Trent Green 5. Daunte Culpepper

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#18: Y.A. Tittle

Like Otto Graham, Tittle began his career in the All-America Football Conference, an upstart NFL competitor that tanked not long after Tittle signed on with its Baltimore Colts (not the same Colts of Unitas and Manning, by the way). After Baltimore went belly-up, Tittle moved on to the San Francisco 49ers, where he would spend the entire decade of the fifties. But while he was unquestionably talented, Tittle was also extremely inconsistent as San Fran's starting QB, alternating some very good seasons (1953, 1954, 1957) with some not-so-great campaigns; plus, the team was never overly successful under his watch, either. So, by 1958 the Niners had settled on John Brodie as their QB of the future, leaving Tittle with less and less playing time over the following two seasons. After a 1960 season that saw Tittle attempt only 127 passes in 9 games, San Francisco traded Tittle to the New York Giants -- a move that would end up reinvigorating his career, ultimately propeling him to the #18 spot on this list. In New York, Tittle immediately returned to the elite ranks of pro quarterbacks, posting 52.5 PAR (good for 6th in football) in 1961. In '62, Tittle was even better, leading all NFL passers in PAR (he only trailed Len Dawson of the AFL in that category)... but he wasn't done yet. In 1963, at the age of 37, Tittle busted out the best season of his career, finishing second in football (behind Johnny Unitas) in passing PAR with 82.7 -- a total that would have ranked him fourth among passers in 2006, even. That year, Tittle also set the all-time record for TD passes in a season with 36, a mark of excellence that would stand for 21 years before being broken by Dan Marino in 1984. While Tittle was not consistently great, his flashes of brilliance (coupled with his late-career renaissance in NYC) were enough to earn him a spot in our Top 20.

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#19: Terry Bradshaw

Nowadays, Bradshaw is regarded by fans as either one of the greatest QBs of all time (proponents of this viewpoint cite his four Super Bowl wins with the Steelers of the 1970s), or one of the most overrated signal-callers ever, a guy who (much like Bart Starr) rode the coattails of his dominating teammates to perceived greatness. Which camp is correct? Is it possible that they're both correct? Was Bradshaw simply a "game manager" type of QB who was carried by Pittsburgh's Steel Curtain D and bruising ground attack? And who is the greatest "caretaker QB" in NFL history anyway? To answer questions like these, you first have to define what a "game manager" QB is... I called any QB season a "caretaker" campaign if the quarterback:

  • Played at least 8 adjusted games
  • Attempted no more than 25.5 adjusted passes/G, and no less than 14
  • Had an adjusted interception % of 3.0 or better

It turns out that 260 QB seasons fit these requirements since 1950. Now, to find the best caretaker QB ever, we have to calculate each player's cumulative career PAR in their "game manager" seasons only. To the results...

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Well, it turns out that Len Dawson and Craig Morton have more in common with Starr than Bradshaw does, in terms of being a "caretaker" QB. Bradshaw had only 2 caretaker seasons in his career -- 1975 and 1976. Bradshaw did win a Super Bowl in one of them ('75), though. Since 1960, only 13 Super Bowl or NFL champs had a "caretaker" (as we defined it above) on their roster, and 4 of the 13 were various Starr-led Green Bay teams in the sixties. The most recent caretaker champion was Troy Aikman in 1995; others of note include Jim McMahon in 1985, Bob Griese in 1973, and Roger Staubach in 1971.

So we've blown away the idea that Bradshaw was simply a "game manager" who was a role player in Pittsburgh's offense... But where does that leave him in the all-time QB discussion? It's true that he had some very good seasons scattered throughout his career (1975, 1977-1979, solid in 1972 and from 1980-1982), but he also posted his fair share of clunkers early in his career (his rookie year of 1970, plus 1971, 1973, and 1974). He wasn't a particularly overpowering QB even during his good years, but he wasn't a caretaker, either -- his career PAR ranks 29th all-time, which would be great for a game manager, but not exactly GOAT-worthy for a guy who threw 27 adjusted attempts per game over a 14-year career. The only stat that puts him in anybody's Top 5 is the 4 career Super Bowl victories, but those are more team accomplishments than individual ones (see the Bart Starr comment above, #13). All in all, even after taking into account his playoff record, Bradshaw ranks as the 19th-best quarterback in NFL history, and I just can't see any justification for him being higher up on this list.

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#20: Bob Griese

As was mentioned in the Terry Bradshaw comment, Griese has to rank among the most successful "game manager" quarterbacks of all time... He only attempted more than 400 adjusted passes in a season on two occasions in his career, his career adjusted attempts/G of 25.0 is among the lowest of anyone in our Top 20, but his Pts/Play average dipped below .400 in only three of his 14 seasons. All of which means that Bob Griese fits the "caretaker" description to a T: he wasn't asked to throw much, but when he did, he definitely capitalized on his opportunities. In fact, if Griese had not broken his ankle in Week 5 of the 1972 Dolphins' "perfect season" -- and we extrapolate his PAR/G to a full season's worth of games -- he would rank 5th on our list of the best caretaker QBs ever. Add in those two Super Bowl titles, and it's clear that Griese belongs in the Top 20 of our list. Griese and his son Brian (now with the Chicago Bears) also form the second-most successful father-son quarterbacking duo in NFL history. Here are the top father-son QB combos ever:

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The Best of the Rest:

The first three are not ranked, as they played most (if not all) of their career before the 1950 cutoff date, but all three would rank in the Top 20 if their pre-1950 stats were included.

NR: Otto Graham - Graham would be in the Top 10 if we included his AAFC stats.

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NR: Sammy Baugh - Another QB who played too soon for our stats to really rank, Slingin' Sammy was not only a great passer, but an amazing punter as well.

NR: Sid Luckman - Along with Baugh, the first great passing quarterback in football history. Still the Bears' best QB ever.

#21: John Hadl - One of the greatest passers in AFL history. Outstanding seasons: 1965-67, 1970-71, 1973.

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#22: John Brodie - Interesting guy. Permanently took over the 49ers gig from Y.A. Tittle in 1961 and played his entire 17-year career with San Francisco. An ex-scientologist, Brodie left the "religion" after he felt his friends were being mistreated by "church" leaders. He forged a semi-successful second career as a golfer on the Senior PGA Tour. One of his daughters is married to Chris Chandler.

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#23: Mark Brunell - Has had an underrated career; could run and pass. Truly outstanding seasons in 1996-97, solid with Jax until 2003. Late-career renaissance in Washington looks to be over now.

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#24: Randall Cunningham - Along with Mike Vick, the best running QB ever. The "Ultimate Weapon". Had two of the best single-seasons of the nineties (1990 and 1998). Second only to Bo Jackson's character in Tecmo Super Bowl.

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#25: Bobby Layne - Great QB with the Lions and Steelers. Held the all-time career records for passes attempted and completed, passing yards, and passing touchdowns when he retired.

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#26: Craig Morton - Caretaker QB extraordinaire. Helped three teams get to the Super Bowl, but never won there as a starter. Had a great 1977 season in Denver, when before the season it looked like he would never be a good QB again.

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#27: Steve McNair - "Air" McNair's career has been defined by flashes of brilliance, but also injuries. Co-MVP in 2003, with Peyton Manning. One of the best NFL players ever to have attended an historically black university (Alcorn State).

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#28: Jim Hart - Under-appreciated QB who spent all but one of his 19 seasons with the Cardinals. Had a great run from 1973-1978, in which he led the Cards to multiple 10-win seasons and division titles, was named to 4 Pro Bowls, and won an NFC POY award. The best Cardinal QB ever.

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#29: Phil Simms - After a rocky start, became a truly great quarterback. From 1984-1990, Simms was one of the best in the business. Bounced back from a a "down" regular season in 1986 to win Super Bowl XXI.

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#30: Boomer Esiason - Fourth-best southpaw QB ever. Started his career red-hot and peaked early, but led the Bengals to a Super Bowl and had a good late-career season in 1993 with the New York Jets. After his son was diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis in 1993, he started a foundation to help fight the disease.

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#31: Jim Kelly - The only quarterback to lose four Super Bowls (thanks, Scott Norwood!). Had a relatively short NFL career after an early stopover in the USFL. King of the no-huddle "K-Gun" offense. Once averaged 44 (!) yards per completion in a game against the Carolina Panthers in 1995. Like Esiason, Kelly's son was diagnosed with a life-threatening disease during his playing career (a disease that his son ultimately succumbed to). Kelly has his own foundation for those with Globoid-Cell Leukodystrophy here.

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#32: Joe Namath - Namath is sometimes called the most overrated quarterback in NFL history, but he actually had a pretty good career after adjusting for his era. He peaked very early and never again matched his best years of 1967-68, but we should remember him in his early-career form, not the broken-down version that suited up for the L.A. Rams.

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#33: Troy Aikman - Like Bradshaw and Starr, people have a tendency to overrate Aikman because he was a caretaker QB on a great dynasty, but at his peak (1992-95) he was just about as good as any passer ever. It's the years outside of his peak that are the problem, because he had a very rough start on some bad Dallas teams, and a very rough finish on some bad Dallas teams. But, in between, Aikman was a truly great quarterback.

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#34: Joe Theismann - One of the best QBs in the NFL during the late seventies and early eighties, Theismann would be higher on this list if he: A) hadn't spent the first two years of his pro career in the CFL; and B) didn't have his career prematurely ended by Lawrence Taylor. God knows he was more fun to watch on the field than in the booth with Mike Patrick and Paul Maguire.

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#35: Rich Gannon - Gannon has one of the biggest disparities of any player between the two halves of his career. After blowing his chance to be Minnesota's starter in 1992, Gannon looked destined for the career-backup path until he gave Elvis Grbac a run for his starter's money in 1998 with KC, which prompted the Raiders to give him a shot as their starter. It was a good call: Gannon's Oakland prime (1999-2002) was one of the greatest four-year periods any QB has ever enjoyed.

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#36: Ken Stabler - Kenny The Snake was the 5th-best lefty QB ever, and led the Raiders to a Super Bowl title in 1976. His peak years were comparable to those of the other great quarterbacks on this list, but there simply weren't enough of them (he cracked 40.0 PAR only five times in his 15-year career). But, hey, at least he can still smoke as much as he wants thanks to the Lung Brush!

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#37: Earl Morrall - The Greatest Backup Quarterback Ever™, Morrall held clipboards for Y.A. Tittle, Tobin Rote, Bobby Layne, the immortal Jim Ninowski, Milt Plum, Gary Wood, Fran Tarkenton, Johnny Unitas, and Bob Griese at various times over the course of his career. He holds the distinction of leading two different Don Shula teams to the Super Bowl, only to sit on the bench during the big game itself both times. But make no mistake -- when he was given a chance to play, Morrall always gave his team a chance to win.

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#38: Bert Jones - Dan Marino had a hell of a season in 1984. Steve Young played out of his mind in 1992. And we all got to witness the greatness that was Peyton Manning in 2004. But out of all the seasons that all the quarterbacks have had in the NFL since 1950, one stands out above all the rest: Bert Jones, 1976. It was, by multiple accounts, the best QB season since Otto Graham's AAFC days -- normalized to 2006's environment, Jones' line would read: 332-for-479, 4485 yards, 32 touchdowns, 8 interceptions, and a passer rating of 114.2. However, one season does not a career make, or else Mark Fidrych would be enshrined in Cooperstown by now. Jones was quite good from 1975-1977, but he also did very little outside of that crazy peak.

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#39: Donovan McNabb - It's taken Donovan McNabb only 8 seasons to crack our Top 40, which is the fewest of any Top-40 QB. In fact, since 2000, only one quarterback has been better than McNabb: Peyton Manning. Plus, had he not had his season prematurely ended with a catastrophic knee injury, McNabb's 2006 was on pace to rank among the great quarterback seasons of all time. It's time to see through the Rush Limbaugh and Terrell Owens nonsense and see this guy for what he is -- someone who (barring injury) will eventually rank as one of the 20 best QBs ever.

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#40: Dave Krieg - Easily the best signal-caller in Seahawks history, Krieg stuck around forever, played for some pretty mediocre teams, compiled some decent-looking stats, and fumbled a ton. And that's just about all there is to say about him.

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The Rest of the Top 100:

#41: Drew Bledsoe - The Immobile One wasn't really all that great even when he was routinely tossing for 3700+ yards a season in New England. And he definitely wasn't that good after leaving New England (aside from Peerless Price's dream 2002 in Buffalo).

#42: Trent Green - After 1999, we all thought he was a poor man's Kurt Warner; as it turns out, Warner was actually a poor man's Green.

#43: Ron Jaworski - Jaws had some pretty solid seasons from 1977-1985, but he's a better TV analyst than he was a quarterback.

#44: Daryle Lamonica - Lamonica's first four years in silver & black were truly special, but they weren't enough to beat out Ken Stabler for the title of Oakland's best-ever QB.

#45: Neil Lomax - Lomax's short but surprisingly brilliant career earns him a spot in our Top 45.

#46: Ken O'Brien - Peaked extremely early with a tremendous season in 1985, but O'Brien could never quite live up to the high standards he set for himself that year.

#47: Vinny Testaverde - The best compiler ever? Vinny was a bona fide bust in Tampa, mediocre in Cleveland, pretty good in Baltimore and New York from 1996-98, and stunningly second-rate for the rest of his disappointing career. The only reason he ranks this high is because he stuck around the league for 20 years and had a few good seasons.

#48: Jim Everett - "Chris" Everett was one of the best QBs in football during the late 80s/early 90s, but now he's known more for a disastrous 1994 interview with Jim Rome.

#49: Billy Kilmer - Kilmer ended up being the third-best QB in Washington Redskins history, a legacy that seemed unlikely after he washed out with the 49ers and begged his way out of New Orleans.

#50: Jim Plunkett - Sure, there are plenty of guys who can vie for the mantle of "Worst QB to Play in a Super Bowl", or even "Worst QB to Win in a Super Bowl", but Plunkett easily stands alone as the "Worst Quarterback to Win Two Super Bowls".

#51: Norm Snead - One of the best journeyman quarterbacks ever, Snead hopped around the league to five different cities while putting together some pretty solid seasons (especially 1967 and 1972).

#52: Charley Johnson - Johnson had some good years with the St. Louis Cardinals in the early sixties, and enjoyed a late-career resurgence with the Denver Broncos, where he posted back-to-back 59+ PAR seasons in 1973-74.

#53: Brad Johnson - A career "solid starter", Johnson embodies that vast quarterbacking Siberia that lies between Trent Dilfer and Joe Montana.

#54: Tom Brady - A lock to move into at least the Top 30 someday, Brady is already a three-time Super Bowl champ who sleeps with models and has a near-ubiquitous endorsement presence during football season... Remind you of anyone?

#55: Archie Manning - Because he played on so many awful teams, Archie Manning was probably better than his stats would indicate... In those rare years in which N'awlins was anywhere close to .500, Arch put up some decent numbers, including a superlative 81.9 PAR output in 1978. But we can only give him so much grace for his horrible teammates -- he had some real clunkers in there that are too bad to be simply explained away by his awful comrades. All you can do is rank him 55th and recognize that when Archie was good he was quite good, but when he was bad...

#56: Daunte Culpepper - Daunte has been one of the 5 best QBs in football during the 2000s, although those days are looong gone (hello, Oakland Raiders!). His 2004 (106.5 PAR) should be remembered as one of the great quarterbacking seasons ever, but will likely forever be upstaged by the 49 TDs tossed by this guy.

#57: Steve Grogan - The worst QB in Tecmo Super Bowl, Grogan has never been given his proper due as a player. In the late 1970s, Grogan was one the premier QBs in the league, and he led the Pats to the postseason on four occasions (including a great performance in relief of Tony Eason in 1985, en route to Super Bowl XX). A good passer and runner, Grogan deserves to be remembered for more than his awful video-game alter ego.

#58: Greg Landry - Landry was very good when he played, but was injured more often than not. He still ranks as one of the best QBs in Detroit Lions history, but look at his competition -- Scott Mitchell and Gary Danielson? At any rate, Landry had a great comeback year with the Colts in 1979, posting 43 PAR, and ended his career with the Chicago Bears after three years away from the league.

#59: Joe Ferguson - Ferguson was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL from 1975-1981, and remains the second-best QB (behind Jim Kelly) that the Buffalo Bills have ever had. In 2005, Ferguson was diagnosed with intestinal cancer, but he is now healthy and has been cancer-free for over a year.

#60: Steve DeBerg - Trails only Earl Morrall on the backup QB scale. While he was a pretty good quarterback in his own right, DeBerg was constantly being unseated by passers that were better than him -- he was eventually replaced as a starter by Joe Montana in San Francisco, John Elway in Denver, Steve Young in Tampa Bay, and Dave Krieg in Kansas City. Fittingly for a journeyman backup, DeBerg holds an NFL record for being the oldest player ever included on a Super Bowl roster (he was 44 when the Falcons made the SB in 1998). Naturally, he didn't actually play in the game.

#61: Jeff George - Top arrogant asshole in NFL history? Sorry, I don't have a metric for that, but if I did, I'm sure George would be in the Top 5.

#62: Jim Harbaugh - "Captain Comeback" had his best year in 1995, when the Colts came ever so close to sniffing the Super Bowl, but for the rest of his career he was barely a starting-caliber QB for Indy, Chicago, Baltimore, and San Diego. Still, when compared to the play of Ryan Leaf and Craig Whelihan the year before (they were the worst single-season QB tandem in NFL history), Harbaugh's performance for the Chargers in 1999 kind of looks like Dan Marino '84.

#63: Kurt Warner - The Spice Girls of quarterbacks, Warner hit the U.S. scene quickly after success in Europe, shined on the big stage for a brief while, and disappeared off the face of the earth not long thereafter (but not before several pathetic comeback attempts). Warner has the strange distinction of having a number of the best seasons in NFL history (1999, 2001) and the worst (2002, 2003) -- it's like the clock struck twelve right in the middle of Super Bowl XXXVI. But at least his breathtaking highs of 1999-2001 (and decent play since 2004) are enough to get him onto this list at #63... Some cinderellas probably won't even make it that far.

#64: George Blanda - Sure, Blanda was a better kicker than a quarterback, and some of his non-translated seasons look downright ugly. But Blanda definitely had more than his share of passing ability -- witness his 1961 AFL MVP performance, where he posted 83.4 PAR and led the Houston Oilers to their second straight AFL crown. After a remarkable 26 pro seasons (9 of them extensively at QB), Blanda has to be recognized as one of the best and most versatile players in football history.

#65: Bernie Kosar - If Brian Sipe is the Browns' #2 quarterback behind Otto Graham, Kosar has to be #2A. In 9 years as Cleveland's starting QB, Kosar put together a number of the best passing seasons in franchise history, in the process establishing himself as one of the most beloved athletes in Cleveland history. Kosar's prime didn't last long, but few QBs could match his output from 1986-1991.

#66: Billy Wade - Sometimes lost in the shuffle of the top QBs discussion, Bill Wade put together some good seasons with Los Angeles and Chicago from 1954-1966 -- including 1963, when he led the Bears to an NFL Championship.

#67: Jeff Garcia - Garcia's short career has packed a lifetime's worth of ups and downs, from a brilliant run in San Francisco to a horrible stretch in Cleveland and Detroit and, finally, a masterful comeback with Philly in 2006. Many of his best years have been system-driven, but, hey, most great seasons are.

#68: Neil O'Donnell - Hidden draft gem, Super Bowl quarterback, ridiculous free agent bust, expert clipboard-holder... O'Donnell wore a lot of hats during his career. Most people will remember him as Larry Brown's bitch in Super Bowl XXX, but O'Donnell was actually a pretty starting good QB for the majority of his career, before becoming a solid stand-in for Steve McNair later in life.

#69: Steve Bartkowski - The Falcons' best QB ever, which speaks more to that organization's chronically low expectations than any greatness on Bart's part. Still, Bartkowski was a pretty good passer in the early eighties, as well as being the first client of agent Leigh Steinberg. Show me the money!

#70: Brian Sipe - Sipe, the ringleader of the Kardiac Kids, was great from 1978-1980, not so great in every other year. In terms of PAR in a Cleveland uniform, Kosar vs. Sipe is basically a push.

#71: Don Meredith - "Dandy" Don's career lasted only 9 seasons, but he was very productive in most of them (especially 1965-1968). The first great Cowboy QB of the Landry era.

#72: Tobin Rote - The only QB to lead a team to a championship in both the NFL and the AFL. Rote was mostly a very good quarterback throughout his career, but his disastrous 1959 season with Detroit ranks among the very worst seasons in NFL history (-27.7 PAR).

#73: Chris Chandler - A veteran of 18 NFL seasons, "Crystal Chandelier"'s lasting legacy will be leading Atlanta to Super Bowl XXXIII after a career 1998 season. He's lucky in that way; most career journeymen never have a defining season/moment like that which makes their otherwise forgettable career worth remembering.

#74: Babe Parilli - Will always have a place in the hearts of Patriot fans as that franchise's first great QB, as well as one of the AFL's best-ever passers. Also recognized for his skill as a holder, which is a strange distinction until you think of how many botched holds cost teams wins each year.

#75: Charlie Conerly - Conerly's nickname was "The Roach," and he played the Marlboro Man in commercials during the fifties. Not sure what that has to do with his abilities as a football player, but there you have it.

#76: Jack Kemp - In addition to having his name appear on Lenny Leonard's chest tattoo, Kemp is the 3rd-best QB in Buffalo Bills history, a former Congressman, and the former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. He was one of the best quarterbacks in AFL history.

#77: Danny White - Son of former NFL star (and Supreme Court Justice) Byron "Whizzer" White, Danny White filled that frequently-forgotten gap in Cowboys history between Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. As Dallas' starting QB from 1980-87, White played reasonably well (even making a Pro Bowl), but it was never quite enough to win the respect of Cowboy fans. Of course, when Dallas resorted to the likes of Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter at starting QB during the early 2000s, Dallas fans were probably pining for Danny White to come out of retirement...

#78: Jim Zorn - The very best of the fourteen NFL players whose last names start with 'Z'. The second-best Seahawk QB (behind Dave Krieg), Zorn will forever be linked with Hall of Fame WR Steve Largent, his favorite target. Zorn started his career off fast, posting back-to-back 70+ PAR seasons in his third and fourth years in the league, but he trailed off quickly and lost his starting job to Krieg by 1983.

#79: Milt Plum - Plum had some really great years with Cleveland in the late fifties, but lost a lot of his value with some terrible years later in his career with Detroit. His 1960 campaign ranks among the best ever.

#80: Doug Williams - Williams is best known as the MVP of Super Bowl XXII with Washington, but he is also the Buccaneers' best-ever QB. Had he not spent his prime years in the USFL and suffered injuries late in his career, he would certainly be higher on this list.

#81: Jim McMahon - McMahon's best years were his rookie season (1982) and the Bears' Super Bowl season (1985); he makes this list mostly on the strength of those two performances. His persona has a tendency to overshadow his ability as a player, but he was a better-than-average QB during his prime.

#82: Steve Beuerlein - Beuerlein will always be remembered for the way Cornelius Bennett knocked him unconscious during a college game, and his pro career (mostly as a backup) offers little to draw attention away from "The Sack." Still, his 1999 season at the helm of the Carolina Panthers (85.8 PAR) ranks him among the great "one-year wonders" of all time.

#83: Frank Ryan - Frank Ryan put together a pretty good 13-year career in the NFL, complete with an outstanding season for the Cleveland Browns in 1966. He is also one of the smartest QBs in NFL history, having attained a Ph.D. in mathematics from UC-Berkeley.

#84: Kerry Collins - After a bizarre start to his career (he followed a good -- if overhyped -- 1996 with a horrible 1997-1998), he reinvented himself as a pretty decent QB... Until last year, that is.

#85: Matt Hasselbeck - Will move up if he rediscovers his 2002-05 form. If not, he'll be remembered as the brother-in-law of Rosie O'Donnell's nemesis.

#86: Jeff Blake - People always forget how good this guy was in the mid-1990's. One of the best in '95 and '96. Blake's favorite targets were Carl Pickens and Darnay Scott.

#87: Marc Bulger - Could move far up this list if he keeps up his 2006 pace, and stays injury-free (not exactly a guarantee with Bulger).

#88: Tommy Kramer - An oft-injured QB who had some good years as Fran Tarkenton's successor in Minnesota -- when he stayed in one piece, that is. He once threw for six touchdowns in a game.

#89: Mark Rypien - The MVP of Super Bowl XXVI, Rypien was the best QB in the league in 1991, and one of the best players in Tecmo Super Bowl. Of course, life is not a videogame, and Rypien fell apart after 1992.

#90: Ed Brown - Years in which Ed Brown was better than Rex Grossman was in 2006: 1955, 1956, 1959, 1960, 1963. Years in which they were basically equal: 1964.

#91: Jake Plummer - Jake The Snake's 1999 season with Arizona is the second-worst quarterbacking season since 1950. It's actually amazing that he was able to bounce back from it to become a pretty good starter later in his career.

#92: Drew Brees - Brees had a career season in New Orleans last year, ranking 3rd among QBs in PAR. He's got plenty of time to move up this list before it's all said and done.

#93: Jeff Hostetler - Hostetler had one bad ass 'stache. He also led the Giants to victory in Super Bowl XXV (a gutsy performance if ever there was one) and was pretty good as the Raiders' starting QB from 1993-1996.

#94: Doug Flutie - I'd love for Flutie to be higher up on this list, but we aren't counting CFL stats, nor are we factoring in awesome drop-kicked extra points. Still he had some decent NFL years, and he can solace in the fact that: A) He's still better than Rob Johnson; B) Wade Phillips is an idiot.

#95: Lynn Dickey - Along with Don Majkowski, the best Green Bay quarterback between the Starr and Favre eras. Once owned a football-themed restaurant.

#96: Bill Kenney - Kenney didn't play long before pursuing a career in politics, but he cracks the Top 100 on the strength of an outstanding year in 1983.

#97: Aaron Brooks - Brooksie's career as a viable starter is most likely over after last year's debacle in Oakland, but for a time, he was a pretty decent QB who could run and pass a little. Admittedly, his best seasons (2001-2004) look better on paper than they did in real life, but even Football Outsiders saw his 2003 as being very good. And they hate Aaron Brooks!

#98: Michael Vick - Wow, talk about a difficult career to summarize in a paragraph! Let's put the dogfighting thing aside and focus on what we know: In 2002, Mike Vick was one of the best QBs in football. From 2004-06, he was not as good, but he was still better than average when one considers his rushing. He is unquestionably the greatest rushing quarterback of all time, and he held that distinction even before becoming the first QB to break the 1,000-yard barrier last year. If he retired today, he'd be in the Top 100. The question is, will he play again after the resolution of his legal issues?

#99: Bill Nelsen - Nelsen went to the Pro Bowl in 1968, but his best year was 1969, when he put up 66.0 PAR. He's one of the most successful 10th-round picks in NFL history.

#100:Tom Flores - Flores holds the distinction of being the first Hispanic quarterback in American professional football, as well as being the first QB in the history of the Oakland Raiders. While Ken Stabler, Daryle Lamonica, and Rich Gannon have ultimately surpassed him, he remains the 4th-best QB in franchise history, and he also became the first minority head coach to win a Super Bowl, having led Oakland to championships in Super Bowl XV and Super Bowl XVIII.

Just missed the cut: Jay Schroeder, Bill Munson, Bobby Hebert, Richard Todd, Chris Miller, Gus Frerotte, Gary Danielson, Bob Berry, Stan Humphries, Eddie LeBaron, Dan Pastorini, Wade Wilson, Elvis Grbac, Chad Pennington, Brian Griese, Jake Delhomme, Jon Kitna.

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Davis21wylieMVP
914 days ago
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Longest article ever?
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
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I wondered where you'd been for ages! Now I know!
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
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I looked this page up because I was making my own list and wanted to see what other people had.

It's a shame that you aren't ranking some of the older guys like Otto Graham or Sammy Baugh, they rank in the top 10 in my list.

I also have to say that you're not putting enough emphasis on what is done in the postseason or the big games. I would say that Peyton Manning is the 6th best quarterback of all time. Brady has won 3 superbowls and Already is in the top 30 of all time. I also think that McNabb has been slighted in a big way. I have him at about 25. He's led the Eagles to four straight NFC Championships and is one of the most effiecent and elusive passers the league has seen in a long time.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
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Great read but any possible chance of undating the info? I noticed Bret Favre stopped at 2006 as well as Peyton Manning, would be interesting to see the change in ranking. Thanks. LOL and Fan #64 is quite funny, make a point to analyze Marino's stats yet a clear Brady fan, sorry to say, but just cause you're on a better defensive club doesn't make you a better QB, so how does Brady become best of all time when he can't even pass for 4000 yards without Moss trying to "market himself" into a ring?
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
914 days ago
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Well done. Bathroom readers have a week's supply now! This was extremely well researched, as we've come to expect out of you. I loved your point about Bart Starr being the Derek Jeter of the NFL. Couldn't be more true, especially when you see that Starr threw nine touchdowns to 12 interceptions and still won Super Bowl II.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
914 days ago
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I applaud the effort. This was 10xbetter than Who's Now.

However, statistical analysis in football (the consumate team sport) always seemed kind of silly to me.

How many articles will I find under Len Dawson Opinions? This one!
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JuTMSY4Legend
914 days ago
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yep...vote...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
914 days ago
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The first time I loaded this page, this morning, it crashed my computer. The second time, it took 2 minutes and 16 seconds to load (I timed it!). Excellent work!
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PeanMajor Leaguer
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riiiiiing...hello kettle? hi this is pot
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WizardmanRed-Shirting
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Extremely well done. I like this list actually, really wel done and prtty similar to my personal rankings.
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PSU ROCKSVarsity Captain
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ill ask my teacher next year if this book counts to do a report on and man if it wasnt for Mcnabb getting injured last year he had the best 3 game start in the history of the NFL better then the top other 38
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PeanMajor Leaguer
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excellent work Ddub! you can tell you put alot of work into this..good to see my by Simms at #29!
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JuTMSY4Legend
914 days ago
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Cunningham at 24...imagine if buddy ryan would have used a high draft pick on offense of Chris Carter didn't get so dirty early in his career... Damn that guy...all he ever does is catch touchdowns...thanks buddy...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
914 days ago
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What, no Ryan Leaf? Or Cade McNown?
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Davis21wylieMVP
914 days ago
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Sadly -- like Rex Grossman -- they just barely missed the cut! :)
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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Dude Ryan Leaf's 1st season was only good then he made my chargers terrible =( i wish the colts would have taken him instead of peyton. god bless LT!!
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Steel TownDraft Pick
914 days ago
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I was gonna be mad cause Bradshaw is so low on the list. But...you did such a good job I don't think I can argue. Well done. I also am very pleased to see Archie Manning way down at #55. I am so sick of hearing about how great the mannings are. Archie and The boy wonder Eli are just riding Peytons coat tails. So, as someone who is sick of hearing about Archie Manning, thanks for putting it into perspective.
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JuTMSY4Legend
914 days ago
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Bradshaw only has one statistic that puts him above everyone else... Otherwise he was just a good QB...
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
913 days ago
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Unfortunately for Bradshaw number of times acting like a goofus (aka playing himself) in film and on television wasn't a category.
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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Ben Roethlisberger coulda won those four Super Bowls.
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JuTMSY4Legend
914 days ago
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Dubs! How can Stan Humphries barely make the cut! Stan the Man is one of the greatest "Who the hell was that guy" madden players ever!
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Davis21wylieMVP
914 days ago
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Ha, I also forgot how randomly good a fantasy player Humphries was from 1992-1996...
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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yea Stan Humphries was a Tought SOB too, he would have surely won some Superbowls if it wasnt for the concussions. GO CHARGERS!!
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The sharkDraft Pick
914 days ago
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Wow! All I can say is "Holy Sh..."
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
914 days ago
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In the words of Krusty the Klown... "Ooohhhh... That just kept going, didn't it?!"
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MegECass110AAA-er
914 days ago
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Good God, the next time the Sox have a day off I'm sitting down and reading this. And it will probably take me the whole three hours.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
914 days ago
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Imagine if your formula had a slight error right at the top... And you had to change it for all 120+ players here...
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Ea34Div-I Stud
914 days ago
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Great job! One of most thorough articles EVER!!! Kinda surprising to see Mark Brunell ranked of Troy Aikman and Jim Kelly.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
914 days ago
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Awesome article, could've done without the cheap shot to Jeter.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
914 days ago
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I kinda wish you did a countdown to number 1, makes it alittle bit more exciting to read (not that its not exciting to read now).
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
914 days ago
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That was the cherry on top of the sundae.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
914 days ago
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Not one Chicago Bears QB cracking the top 60? Shame...
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Davis21wylieMVP
914 days ago
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Sid Luckman is an honorary member of the Top 20.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
914 days ago
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He's listed as NR...
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Davis21wylieMVP
914 days ago
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Okay, I've now clarified what I meant by listing them as "NR".
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InsanMajor Leaguer
914 days ago
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Football before 1967 doesn't count.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
914 days ago
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Plus how are these guys in the top 20 if the top 20 is already occupied? That makes no sense. You're gonna have to have a top 25 or whatever.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
49 days ago
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get over it derek jeter is a fag and should just go die
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ScottVanPeltStyle.comWaterboy
914 days ago
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Wow. Thatsa whole lotta spreadsheetin' goings on.
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Reeper182Soccer Kid
914 days ago
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Roger Staughback at number 10??? I believe he should be a little higher than that
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
914 days ago
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The top three are dead on, but Staubach is #4 at worst. I would NEVER take Elway or Marino over Staubach - and I HATE the Cowboys... Overall, a freeking quality list - well done!
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Davis21wylieMVP
914 days ago
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It's a shame that Staubach's commitment to the Navy meant he didn't play a game until he was 27, because -- like I said in his comment -- if he had played as long as, say, Tarkenton, he would rank ahead of Elway, Marino, and Fran the Man on this list.
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ChristofMVP
914 days ago
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This is one of the best articles ever to appear on armchiargm.com
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Kwinger 00JV Squad
914 days ago
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I agree.
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NejoshiDiv-I Stud
913 days ago
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Me Too.
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Titanfan9Soccer Kid
49 days ago
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best ever no doubt
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Brendan.CanneyDiv-I Stud
914 days ago
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Wow. I will for now on feel insecure about all my articles I write for this site. =)
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JuTMSY4Legend
914 days ago
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I"m sorry, but I have a funny fran tarkenton story via an old roomate of mine:

So one day he was at football practice his senior year. He had just ascended to starting QB and his coach was trying to motivate him. So the coaches words of wisdom include: "Don't worry, Fran Tarkenton was gay too"

Zinger of the year in my mind...wow
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Davis21wylieMVP
914 days ago
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Ouch.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
913 days ago
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Out of curiousity, any idea how much Jim Kelly would jump if you tried to figure out the value of his USFL years? (The other quarterback this might significantly affect is Bobby Hebert; I guess there's a small chance that Steve Young might jump Elway also.)
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Davis21wylieMVP
913 days ago
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USFL stats are definitely on the to-do list. I can't find any downloadable database of stats, though, so unless somebody could help me out with one, I'll probably have to do some data mining here. Still, I am definitely interested in how much Kelly (and Young, and Herschel Walker if I ever get around to RBs) will improve if we include USFL numbers.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
913 days ago
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Cool. One other suggestion I might make is adding an adjusted career total row to the bottom of the various charts, just so we can get a better feel for the relative position of the QB's.
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
913 days ago
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Big Ben Roethlisberger must really suck. Maybe if he wins 1 more Superbowl. Leads the league in yards per pass 1 more season. Wins 3 road games in the Playoffs with the 2nd highest road passer rating in playoffs history. Sets some more Rookie Records. (oops he can't be a rookie again) Maybe just maybe if he does all that he can finally leap past Jake Plummer.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
913 days ago
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Ben might not be THE worst, but he's pretty freaking horrible, there's no doubt about that.
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Anonymous Fanatic #7
913 days ago
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What, no Kerry Collins? WTF?!?!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
913 days ago
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Look again #84.
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Anonymous Fanatic #8
913 days ago
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KC is 84
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Yakob878MVP
913 days ago
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wow long article i wonder how long it took to write?
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Davis21wylieMVP
913 days ago
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Couple days. I started it this past Tuesday, finished it Thursday night. "NFL_at_the_Movies") This and this and [this all took way longer to write...
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Anonymous Fanatic #9
913 days ago
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This is one of the worst QB lists I have ever seen. Ever. It's honestly so bad, that for me to list all the stupidity in it would take a comment that is longer than the article in itself. What rubbish.
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Anonymous Fanatic #10
913 days ago
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Did you take into account the 5-yard-chuck rule change in 1978? One only need to compare Terry Bradshaw from 78/79 to Terry Bradshaw previously to see the dramatic difference this rule made.
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Anonymous Fanatic #11
912 days ago
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What I find most interesting about this article, is how many of these quarterbacks I wouldn't want on 'my' team.
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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obiousvly, theres 3-4 you can have on a team
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Anonymous Fanatic #12
912 days ago
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stats in football are only worth anything if you use them with knowledge as opposed to instead of knowledge. can you honestly say that mark brunell was a better qb than bobby layne? if so, you're a terrible evaluator of talent. case in point, you're comparing bart starr to trent dilfer. starr led one of the most explosive offenses of the 60s (easpecially the 60-62 teams) and called all of the plays. a dilfer-led offense didn't score a td for five straight games in the ravens 2000 season. nevermind that the role of qb is different in each time period, if you want to see what a good passer starr was, take a look at the first super bowl where the strength of his arm beat the chiefs.
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Anonymous Fanatic #13
911 days ago
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EXACTLY

Putting Brunell (no knock on him) ahead of Aikman challenges all of us to pretend we didn't see what we saw the past 20 years. Jeff George ahead of Kurt Warner? This ranking is a prime example of how analysis based primarily on statistics can lead to idiotic conclusions.

As told to Billy Madison, "We are all dumber for having (read) this"
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Anonymous Fanatic #14
912 days ago
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In 2004, Donovan McNabb had 31 TDs and 8int's. If I remember correctly he is supposed to be the only player in NFL history to have done that.
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Anonymous Fanatic #14
912 days ago
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As a matter of fact your Bert jones info seems incorrect. for example according to Pro Football Statistics (.com) in 1676 his passing stats were:

207(cmp) 343(att) 60.3(Comp%) 3104(yds) 9.0(yrd-pa) 24(td) 9int)over 14 games

McNabbs 2004 stats were:

469(att) 300(cmp) 64(comp%) 3875(yrds) 8.26(yrd per att) 31(td) 8(int) in 15 games
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Anonymous Fanatic #15
911 days ago
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what a waste of time. the is quite possibly the worst list i have ever seen. tom brady at #54 below BRAD JOHNSON. give me that 30 minutes of my life back!
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CheezerAll-Star
911 days ago
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A very interesting read. A minor quibble with your obviously hard work...

You say, "Today, we're going to look at the most valuable quarterbacks since 1950. For every QB, I added up their career PAR totals, which served as a starting point, and I then added bonus points for postseason success, including Super Bowl wins, NFL or AFL Championship Game victories, and (least of all) Super Bowl losses. Of course, I didn't slavishly follow the resulting list when formulating my Top 100, but the results do factor heavily into my final list of the top quarterbacks since 1950. Now, to the rankings!"

Why did you crunch all the numbers and then put your subjective spin on the results? To me, that implies that you don't trust your statistics.

Once again, a very fine piece of work. Thanks!
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Anonymous Fanatic #16
911 days ago
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Its a travesty tom brady is so low when so many of his contemporaries are higher on the list then he is.
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Anonymous Fanatic #17
911 days ago
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Why the 1950 cutoff point? Also, I don't know how the final rankings were determined in regards to the adjusted stats. I feel sorry for every QB ranked below Craig Morton. I think Starr got a bum rap, at least in the comments section. Starr was probably the best 'big game' QB in NFL history. He was a huge reason as to why the Packers won 5 NFL titles in 7 years...Starr always played well in must-win situations. Compare that to Roger Staubach, who also had a great supporting cast. Staubach was the definition of a 'caretaker' QB in the 1971 postseason. In 3 games, Doomsday gave up 18 total points, and Staubach threw for about 100 yards each game while Duane Thomas ran wild. Staubach was a 'caretaker' again in the 1977 postseason, with Doomsday giving up a total of 23 points with Staubach throwing for about 150 yards each game. Looking at Staubach's postseasons, he had a lot of bad games.
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Anonymous Fanatic #18
911 days ago
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how can you possibly have tom brady so low on this list. I mean u have vinny t and brad johnson ahead of him? i HATE anything boston but c'mon the man deserves more respect than that man
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Anonymous Fanatic #19
911 days ago
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Any chance of getting the totals, or postseason PAR?
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Anonymous Fanatic #20
911 days ago
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I appreciate your statistical effort to remove your formula's bias toward running QBs, but evidently you didn't do enough... Mark Brunell is the 23rd best QB of all time? Steve Young is #6? While Young surprised me, Brunell is the red flag. His greatest accomplishment from a team perspective is upsetting Elway's Broncos in '96. As a Steeler fan, I vivdly remember his skills with both his arm and his legs, but your formula puts him far too high.
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JuTMSY4Legend
911 days ago
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Wow you guys are retarded...its a statistical analysis of QBs in the Modern era of the NFL...so its not "ranking" them by opinion, he gave you his formula and showed where each QB ranked...if you're gonna pick something apart, pick apart the formula...
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InsanMajor Leaguer
911 days ago
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Just another reason we need to eliminate Anonymous commenting.
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KelsdadAll-Star
911 days ago
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Holy isht, Davis! Great list. Unbelievable work. Now I know what you do with your time while the Red Sox are choking.
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KelsdadAll-Star
911 days ago
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You know the old saying, opinions are like assholes...? On armchair, we say it a bit differently...opinions are like Anonymous Fanatics...
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Davis21wylieMVP
911 days ago
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Hey, everybody, thanks for commenting. I've only been able to check in periodically over the weekend, so I'm just now reading all the feedback! I wanted to address a few things that I've seen come up a lot in comments:

1. "Those stats aren't correct", etc.: I said it several times in the article, but I'll say it again here -- the stats under each player's name are normalized to the environment of the 2006 season. Which means that a player's normalized stats from every year except 2006 will be different from that player's actual, unadjusted stats.

2. Postseason bonuses: Unfortunately, I don't have a database of playoff stats, so I can't credit players for their exact performances in the postseason. Instead, what I did was add a certain number of "bonus games" to the player's season for winning the Super Bowl (4 "bonus games" at their seasonal PAR/G avg.), losing the Super Bowl (2 "bonus games"), winning the NFL championship before there was a Super Bowl (3 bonus games), and winning the AFL before the Super Bowl (1 bonus game). It's a pretty crude system, I know, but I felt like guys who won championships needed some extra credit, and I couldn't think of any other way to do this in the absence of an actual playoff stat database. On a related note, if somebody actually has a playoff stat database and wants to share it, I'd love to get my hands on it and reformulate the rankings to give better credit to guys (like Starr) who played very well in big games.

3. Tom Brady's ranking: Brady is my favorite player, so it probably seems strange that he's so low on this list. Think about it, though: since I've chosen a replacement-level metric upon which to base my rankings, a guy who has only started for six seasons will inevitably be ranked lower than players who played for 10+ years. The good news is that the more he plays, the more Brady will move up the list, since it's basically a "career achievement" ranking. This is also why Jim Kelly is so low -- he only played 11 years, and his great USFL stats are completely ignored by my system. Once again, if someone has a USFL stat database and wants to share it, I will reformulate the rankings to include this new information.

4. Mark Brunell! I will go on record saying that Brunell is probably too high, which is indicative of the method still overvaluing running QBs (Aaron Brooks/Mike Vick are also prime evidence). The fix for this would be simple if I had a historical database of sack records, because I wouldn't have to arbitrarily downgrade every QB's rushing numbers -- I would simply punish each individual QB for some percentage (I'm entirely sold on 25%) of the sack yardage they lose. I don't have that data, though, so again, if someone has a database that includes sacks and sack yardage lost and wants to share it, I will reformulate the rankings to include this new information. But until then, I don't really have a better way to find the "true value" of quarterback rushing yards.

5. Career PAR: Frankly, I'd really rather not re-upload 40 stat tables to include an extra line of career numbers. So here are the PAR totals for each player in the Top 100 (before postseason adjustments):

Surname		Name	cPAR
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Tarkenton	Fran   1130.87
Marino		Dan	943.62
Unitas		Johnny	890.34
Anderson	Ken	802.90
Montana		Joe	802.52
Elway		John	781.40
Young		Steve	760.33
Fouts		Dan	755.82
Favre		Brett	703.29
Jurgensen	Sonny	683.29
Moon		Warren	662.71
Staubach	Roger	661.64
Dawson		Len	661.18
Gabriel		Roman	649.76
Manning		Peyton	637.44
VanBrocklin	Norm	605.49
Tittle		Y.A.	591.09
Hart		Jim	580.92
Starr		Bart	577.19
Hadl		John	569.77
Brodie		John	546.50
Brunell		Mark	542.05
Cunningham	Randall	539.10
Griese		Bob	531.62
Layne		Bobby	516.25
McNair		Steve	514.00
Esiason		Boomer	510.53
Morton		Craig	506.01
Bradshaw	Terry	500.84
Simms		Phil	494.29
Kelly		Jim	490.78
Gannon		Rich	479.72
Krieg		Dave	478.87
Namath		Joe	472.27
Bledsoe		Drew	462.56
Aikman		Troy	441.38
Green		Trent	439.34
Theismann	Joe	435.43
Testaverde	Vinny	429.81
Stabler		Ken	425.73
McNabb		Donovan	422.22
Graham		Otto	417.56
Morrall		Earl	415.24
Jones		Bert	415.08
Jaworski	Ron	413.40
Everett		Jim	408.20
Lomax		Neil	405.58
Kilmer		Billy	403.06
Lamonica	Daryle	390.53
Snead		Norm	389.21
Johnson		Charley	385.29
O'Brien		Ken	375.43
Grogan		Steve	375.20
Landry		Greg	374.80
Ferguson	Joe	372.10
George		Jeff	371.37
Plunkett	Jim	366.98
Johnson		Brad	365.19
Deberg		Steve	363.87
Harbaugh	Jim	363.65
Culpepper	Daunte	362.63
Manning		Archie	358.71
Kosar		Bernie	351.92
Wade		Billy	351.08
Sipe		Brian	344.97
Garcia		Jeff	344.52
Blanda		George	343.81
O'Donnell	Neil	342.55
Bartkowski	Steve	341.18
Rote		Tobin	334.71
Warner		Kurt	332.42
Meredith	Don	328.52
Chandler	Chris	327.33
Brady		Tom	312.45
Parilli		Babe	309.93
White		Danny	309.70
Conerly		Charlie	306.17
Kemp		Jack	305.83
Zorn		Jim	298.11
Beuerlein	Steve	297.89
Collins		Kerry	292.00
Plum		Milt	290.22
Ryan		Frank	288.71
Blake		Jeff	281.08
McMahon		Jim	276.89
Kramer		Tommy	274.33
Bulger		Marc	270.71
Hasselbeck	Matt	270.02
Brown		Ed	269.00
Plummer		Jake	262.34
Williams	Doug	258.67
Brooks		Aaron	250.57
Hostetler	Jeff	244.33
Dickey		Lynn	242.38
Kenney		Bill	241.38
Nelsen		Bill	238.84
Rypien		Mark	237.39
Brees		Drew	235.77
Vick		Michael	219.87
Flores		Tom	207.03
Flutie		Doug	203.00
Anyway, thanks for reading and voting, and keep coming with the feedback -- especially if you can help me with some of the statistical databases I'm missing! :)
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Davis21wylieMVP
911 days ago
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One correction: That should say, "I'm not entirely sold on 25%" as the percentage of sack yards lost to penalize the QB for.
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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so thats basically the best regular season quarterbacks ever.
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Anonymous Fanatic #21
74 days ago
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This list is horrible!!!!! They rank purely on stats. Now i am a stats guy and love stats, for BASEBALL. Stats aren't the only thing to judge in football, especially at the QB position. For QB, you look at the ability to stretch the field, leadership on the field, clutch play, championships, coach on the field ability, how they revolutionized the game, and many other things. u dont judge a general by how many soldiers he kills, u judge them by their tactics. The QB is the Football Field general. these are my top 5 when it comes to leadership on the field

1. Otto Graham who if u include his AAFC numbers (and number prove that AAFC was just as good as the NFL b/c AAFC players actually performed BETTER when switched to the NFL) was easily the best leader of all time, stretched the field, revolutionized the passing game, could throw short and long, was also like a third running back, and his offensive system would still b considered fairly innovative during the 70's.

2. Bart Starr. 5 championships, 2 superbowls. HE was lombardi on the field. 9-1 in the playoffs and the best postseason passer rating in history

3. Sammy Baugh. first true passer. best passer rating in history. revolutionized the forward pass and the short pass. 2 championships and an amazing athlete who was also the second best punter in history (after ray guy) and a stellar Defensive back.

4. Montana. everyone knows how he is great

5. Unitas. Unitas was great but did fade during his later years. his early years were so spectacular that he is still top 5

6. Brady. How can a guy with as many championships and put up great stats b as low as this person ranked them.

7. Sid Luckman. Did as much as Baugh to revolutionize the forward pass

8. Staubauch. Very successful postseason QB

9. Steve young. He was unstoppable in his prime.

10, Peyton manning. He will break all of marino's records and already has one Super Bowl win. He is mr cool. He was as calm and cool on the field as Joe cool.

PPl on here seem to favor new guys and this list seems to favor former guys who put up gaudy numbers. Numbers aren't everything, which is why i think marino is very overrated and so is favre in a way. I dont think guys who didt play long such as graham and baugh and played in a non-passing era should b hurt like they are b/c of the era. Kind of like how don hutson might have been even better a reciever than jerry rice, and i wouldnt disagree with that. but hutson is very unknown to the casual fan b/c of the era he played, because he didnt put up the gaudy stats.
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Anonymous Fanatic #22
911 days ago
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Brady at 54! Are you serious? You have bledsoe ahead of him. Brady replaced Bledsoe and won 3 super bowls and has one of the best all time post season records. This si the most ridiculous list ever assembled. In no way is this a credible or even close to a viable lsit. Brunnell 23? McNabb ahead of Brady in the 2000's category. Correct me if I'm wrong did Brady not beat McNabb in a super bowl a few years ago? Well at elast eh got his team to the playoffs last year.....oh wait that was jeff Garcia, surprised he's nto number 37 on this list.
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JuTMSY4Legend
911 days ago
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So did you read the article or just hold your breath until you were done typing?
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InsanMajor Leaguer
911 days ago
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Don't bother Justin, they never return.
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SSreportersLegend
911 days ago
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Up next, Davis will come up with the 1500 best NFL players of all time.
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Davis21wylieMVP
911 days ago
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That sounds like a challenge! :)
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JuTMSY4Legend
911 days ago
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Davis...can you make a statistical list of the 100 greatest offensive tackles of all time...
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InsanMajor Leaguer
911 days ago
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I'll start that one off... #1. Larry Allen....
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Davis21wylieMVP
911 days ago
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It would be awesome if I could. Hello, Anthony Munoz!
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JuTMSY4Legend
911 days ago
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not by weight insan... ; - )
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KelsdadAll-Star
911 days ago
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Actually, his first article was going to be the 100 greatest Red Sox of all time, then realized there weren't that many.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
911 days ago
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hahahahahaha, your on a role!
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JuTMSY4Legend
911 days ago
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right next to the top 100 underpaid yankees?
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InsanMajor Leaguer
911 days ago
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We like to take care of our players. We don't rip them off or refuse to resign them/trade them when they ask for money a la the Phillies.
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JuTMSY4Legend
911 days ago
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hey...don't look at me, I'd pay some of the good ones whatever they wanted...its management...they'd prefer to avoid all deals then shell out big bucks for legit talent...we wouldn't have a super hole at third if someone would have fielded a competitive team while rolen was here (one of the few i don't blame for leaving)
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NejoshiDiv-I Stud
911 days ago
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i think you have enough information on here to write a thesis proclaiming johnny unitas to be the greatest qb in nfl history
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KelsdadAll-Star
911 days ago
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That's an easy list Justin. It would contain zero names. Every Yankee is overpaid. Even a guy like Melky Cabrera, who is making league minimum, is overpaid. It could be worse, though. JD Drew could be a Yankee.
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Anonymous Fanatic #17
911 days ago
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http://oursp...gamblers.htm This USFL site has all the stats. You can go to the different team sections and get their seasonal statistics.
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Davis21wylieMVP
911 days ago
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Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for!
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Anonymous Fanatic #23
911 days ago
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Very interesting work you've done here, and I appreciate it!

I understand all the problems you're currently facing with regards to lack of data, so I only have one issue currently - I would prefer to see a system that factors in both "career value" and "peak value", ala Bill James' rankings in the New Historical Abstract. That would at least get rid of things like Dave Krieg in the top 40, and be more accurate overall in my view.

That minor quibble aside, thank you very much once again!

-Josh
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Anonymous Fanatic #24
911 days ago
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Good to see McNabb on the list at 39. We all know about his injury bug, but can you imagine what he'd do if had a couple of full seasons in there?

Easily Top 20. Nick Smarter Sports Blogs

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Anonymous Fanatic #25
911 days ago
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Very interesting work.

I understand what your saying about Brady, but then how does McNabb, who hasn't been in the league much longer, end up 15 spots higher?

Also, since you've gone on record about Brunell being ranked too high, wouldn't you also say the same about Craig Morton?
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Anonymous Fanatic #26
910 days ago
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What was the qualifier for the list? Years? Attempts? It boggles my mind that Vick would be on here but not Carson Pamler.
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Anonymous Fanatic #27
910 days ago
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I think an average PAR would solve a lot of problems, like Brady at #54.
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Anonymous Fanatic #28
910 days ago
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Not even close. Tom Brady 54? Ken Anderson 7? Also, in 1984, Marino passed for 5084 yards and 48 touchdowns. This list is a joke. You think Mark Brunell is better than Tom Brady? Seriously? Your system is seriously flawed. Go back to school.
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Anonymous Fanatic #29
910 days ago
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Stupid list, Tom Brady is easily Top 5 of All Time right now. He didn't have the targets that the rest of the Top 15 had and he still won 3 Super Bowls and has incredible stats. I would take Brady over Marino any day of the f'in week. As for Peyton Manning, let's see him win in cold weather before you knight him.
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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Not saying that brady isn't one of the top qbs ever but he did have some guy Named Troy Brown and Deion Branch.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
661 days ago
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Fan #27 your typical Pats fan, cry that he didn't have the recievers yet his Comp percent and passer rating were higher than Manning in the Playoffs. Brady clearly had benefit of a better defense and special teams than Manning, but that has NOTHING to do with Brady as a QB does it? And as for you wanting Manning to play a SB in weather, did you even watch SBXLI? Sure wasn't no lousy 3 pt win salvaged by the kicker either. And excuse me if you think Brady is so great in weather, but that "tuck rule" call was BS everyone knows that against the Raiders.. oh and remind me this season against the lousy JETS did Brady score a TD in the snow? NOOO....the only points were made on special teams, so if you're gonna talk trash know what you're talking about first!
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Anonymous Fanatic #30
910 days ago
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Peyton Manning had 49 TD's in 2004 weirdo...
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Anonymous Fanatic #31
910 days ago
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I was just getting ready to point out the TD blunder as well. It kind of throws your whole rating system into doubt when the stats aren't even correct.
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Anonymous Fanatic #32
910 days ago
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Hey, Dip$#!t, if you took the time to read, you'd see that all the stats are adjusted to compare to 2006 stats for a baseline.
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Anonymous Fanatic #33
910 days ago
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This is BY FAR the most ridiculous thing i have EVER seen. What planet are you from and what games have you watched?! I guess you dont get the NFL Sunday Package! Tom Brady 54?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Donovan McNabb at 39 is hysterical and i'm the biggest SU fan on the planet... Aikman at 33 and Esiason at 30 is comical as well! NASA scientist you are NOT.. Start delivering pizzas pal because your football knowledge is on par with my buddies wife!
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Anonymous Fanatic #34
910 days ago
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If Drew Brees can show up on this list, why not Carson Palmer?
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Anonymous Fanatic #35
910 days ago
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I appreciate the work and effort going into the list, but there are obviously flaws in it. You need to reassess your formulae.
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Anonymous Fanatic #36
910 days ago
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WTF? I guess playoff wins don't mean much on your so called list, eh? You re probably right: they don't really matter to much.. When you saw that Nell Lomax, Vinny T and Brad Johnson were ahead of Brady, did you stop to think that, oh I don't know, you may have a problem. Oh yeah, Mark Brunell at 23 may have been a red flag too.
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Anonymous Fanatic #37
909 days ago
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A perfect example of how you can take statistical information and draw a false conclusion.
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Anonymous Fanatic #38
909 days ago
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You can make statistics say anything you want. Try this for a smell test: It is the Superbowl and your team is down by 3 w/ 2 minutes left. I have a gun to your head and tell you that you get to pick one quarterback to lead your team to a win, and if they fail I am going to pull the trigger. Would you pick say Drew Bledsoe or Trent Green in the top twenty here. Or maybe Troy Aikman or Tom Brady below them?
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JuTMSY4Legend
909 days ago
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Holy crap...are you disabled, did you read the article...did you read the first paragraph? Statistically speaking: You've made one douchebag comment...therefore, in the next 2 minutes can I determine that your a douchebag....try that for a smell test...
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Anonymous Fanatic #39
826 days ago
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Johnny Unitas. The ultimate clutch player - invented the 2-min drill. Duh!
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Anonymous Fanatic #40
909 days ago
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Carson Palmer should be on that list long before guys like Jeff Blake.
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Anonymous Fanatic #36
909 days ago
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Holy crap...are you disabled, did you read the article...did you read the first paragraph?

"Statistically speaking: You've made one douchebag comment...therefore, in the next 2 minutes can I determine that your a douchebag....try that for a smell test..."

Yeah, I read it, and statistically speaking, you are retarded if you think that your statistics accurately rank qb's. Clear enough. Again, anyone who knows anything about football would see enough red flags on your list to realize that the formula was made by a retarded douchebag.
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Anonymous Fanatic #38
907 days ago
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From the Brian Griese # 20 section you specifically say, "Add in those two Super Bowl titles, and it's clear that Griese belongs in the Top 20 of our list."

Then from the first section: "and that championships can be incorporated into such a statistical system as well"

Yet Tom Brady is 54???? He has more championships then almost all above and better stats as well? You can't have it both ways. Did you really just make up this order according to some color scheme or something?
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Anonymous Fanatic #36
906 days ago
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Great List! Just a few minor quibles: where are Tommy Maddox, Todd Collins, and Scott Zolak in the top twenty? How did the formula miss them?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
905 days ago
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...right behind Bubby Brister and Scott Mitchell, open your Freeking eyes, Anon!
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RomiezzoLegend
891 days ago
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My vote for article of the year!
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Bobbydigital04Varsity
889 days ago
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Well done. Excellent read. Very through and detailed on the top 20 and great to include the rest.
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Confessions Of A FanaticDiv-I Stud
882 days ago
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How did I miss this?!?!?! This is without a doubt the article of the year. Great job.
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Anonymous Fanatic #41
873 days ago
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Why is Joe Namath number 32? He's at least top 10 you jerks.
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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You must be smoking what Joe was.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
873 days ago
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While I am impressed with the article, at some point you have to sit back and question whether it can possibly be correct. There is just no way humanly possible that Joe Namath could be behind Mark Brunell, Steve McNair and Randall Cunningham. It just doesn't make sense.
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Anonymous Fanatic #42
870 days ago
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x
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Anonymous Fanatic #42
870 days ago
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Stabler at #36...but that dumb spearchucker Cunningham at #24...your a fucking moron.
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Taytay 24All-American
870 days ago
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your you're (contraction for 'you are') Another fine example of the correlation between racism and intelligence.
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Anonymous Fanatic #42
870 days ago
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shut up and shine my shoes boy!
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Taytay 24All-American
869 days ago
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Should read, "Shut up and shine my shoes, boy!"

In Standard English, we capitalize the first letter of a sentence and use commas correctly.

Don't you ever learn?
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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Nice, you really do come off as a Raiders fan.
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Anonymous Fanatic #42
870 days ago
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FANG THE RAIDERKING RULES!!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #43
862 days ago
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Namath finished his career with more INTs than TDs and never again had a winning season after his lone Super Bowl victory in '68. Had Namath not won that Super Bowl we wouldn't even be talking about him.

Let's also not forget many of these QBs played with HOF OLs, WRs & RBs. Unitas alone had a HOF TE (Macke), OL (Parker) WR (Berry) RB (Moore). Bradshaw had Webster, Harris, Stallworth and Swan. Those are just the HOFs. It doesn't include the individual All-Pros that may have supported a QB in any year.

Lokk at Tarkenton's career from being drafted by an expansion team in '61 to being traded to the worst team in the NFL in '67. Don't bother counting the offensive HOFers Tarkenton played with from '61 to '72 (when he was traded back to Minnesota) because there was only one, Hugh McElhenny an over-the-hill RB the 49ers made available in the expansion draft. If you really want to count added up all the offensive All-Pros Tarkenton played with. In eleven season you may be able to find six individual selections. He did the most with the least.
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Anonymous Fanatic #44
857 days ago
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So much effort for so much stupidity! I'm in awe!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #45
834 days ago
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Enjoyed your presentation...here's mine: short, sweet & to the point:

Best 5 QBs ever include Graham, Baugh, Unitas, Dawson & Starr (HM Jurgensen.) These modern day QB frauds (all of them since the late 70's) are just that - frauds. The best 5 WRs ever: Hutson, Alworth, O. Taylor, C. Taylor & Warfield (HM Biletnikoff.) As with the QBs, modern WRs don't compare either since for decades now they've been able to run free & unmolested through secondaries.

Thank you. Discount Tire Company.
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Anonymous Fanatic #46
820 days ago
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I'm interested to see how high up this list Brady would move now that he's having pretty much the greatest QB season in NFL history. He's gotta crack the top 20, right? (especially if the Pats win another SB)
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JamelAll-American
820 days ago
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Brady lost at least 20 spots just for posing on GQ- thanks to Jay Mariotti for pointing out he was on the cover
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Anonymous Fanatic #47
817 days ago
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how could you nt put fucking eli maannin on there
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Anonymous Fanatic #48
817 days ago
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I've been hoping that the Pats drop Brady and pick up Brad Johnson for a while now. Unfortunately I don't think Johnson's team would let him go for Brady alone though. Maybe the Pats would have to sweeten the deal.
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Anonymous Fanatic #49
813 days ago
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um why would the pats trade brady for johnson that would be the dumbest thing ive heard
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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LOL! Have you watched any football since superbowl 37? That or must hate the PATS as much as me.
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Anonymous Fanatic #50
705 days ago
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that's the funniest thing here... because of the sarcasm that is!! it's a joke!
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Anonymous Fanatic #49
813 days ago
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this is soooooooooooo off brady is 20 times better then montana and manning and unitas
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Anonymous Fanatic #51
806 days ago
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brett favre is worse than dan fouts? wtf! you are the worst person i have ever seen. wow you are dumb
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Behbigben15All-Star
734 days ago
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He's dumb?!?! You can't even spell Brett Favre, bitch. Use proper english, too, for god sakes.
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Behbigben15All-Star
734 days ago
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Shit, I posted this under the wrong AF, but still, Brett Favre is supposed to be capitalized.
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DariusblazeLittle Leaguer
806 days ago
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Top 5 Qbs of all time IMO

1.Joe Montana 2.Dan Marino 3.Roger Staubach 4.Tom Brady (I Hate you) 5.Dan Fouts

GO CHARGERS!
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KrobertsSoccer Kid
803 days ago
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dude, brett favre number 9? behind ken anderson, no less. he's breaking and will break all of championship-less marino, and is easily a better all-around quarterback than steve young or tarkenton. all these guys are great, but having favre below tarkenton is a joke. the top 5 should be, if you're factoring stats, wins, and rings (which is all it truly should come down to):

1. Montana 2. Bradshaw 3. Favre 4. Unitas

5. Tarkenton
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KrobertsSoccer Kid
803 days ago
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I looked at this again and saw where you had brady, a 3 time champion, and before this season an already solid statistical quarterback. how you gonna feel after he breaks the touchdown single season record? this list is clearly all about stats, and in no way truly judges the greats. your top 10 list is adequate, and close enough, but the rest is based on all the wrong criteria. you have clearly wasted alot of your time.
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JuTMSY4Legend
803 days ago
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wow...its like you didn't even read the article...
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Anonymous Fanatic #52
797 days ago
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are you nuts? Norm Van Brocklin ranks below Ken Anderson, Roman Gabriel and Fran Tarkenton? Van Brocklin did the impossible in 1960. The others had much more talent to work with. I'll grant you Tarkenton was a quality player. But Van Brocklin had leadership skills that rank with anyone on your list in that he was able to prod a team of average talent to achieve the pinnacle (1960 Eagles). None of the other great quarterbacks on your list can claim that. they may have had greater statistics over their career like Tarkenton, Fouts, and Jurgensen, but as great as they were they did not win a championship and their supporting casts were better.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
797 days ago
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I do love how people say D21W is an idiot for ranking them according to the method explained.
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Anonymous Fanatic #53
787 days ago
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ur a fuckin retard what u think of Brady now on pace for over 50 TDs and only 4 INTs on the way to a perfect season! He should at least be number 53! U should be left on an island somewhere moron. GO PATS
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Anonymous Fanatic #54
783 days ago
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glad to see air at 29 he finally gets respect
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Anonymous Fanatic #55
782 days ago
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Were is Tony Romo? You piece of cagada
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Anonymous Fanatic #50
705 days ago
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haha.. tony romo is not a great quarterback!!! you are hilarious
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Anonymous Fanatic #56
778 days ago
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This article could use some updating seeing as Tom Brady had one the greatest seasons ever. Heh, I don't even like the Pats and I have to agree with that. Oh, and Ben Roethlisberger should be in there as he's number two in the league now. He's doing better than Peyton. :|
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
776 days ago
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Tom Brady is clearly too high on this list...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
776 days ago
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I love the way that Anons are quick to criticise, yet some of them remain cowardly hiding in the background behind their own anonymity.
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Anonymous Fanatic #57
774 days ago
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I don't care how you geek out the stats. Tom Brady will someday be the GOAT. He's clearly way to far back on your list, which makes me doubt the integrity of the whole thing. You are using the wrong measuring stick.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
774 days ago
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Go back in time to August 10th and say that!!! HELLO?!?!?! ANON'S!!!! Just because you were born yesterday doesn't mean this article was!!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #58
84 days ago
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Why are you so fucking stupid?
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HappyskinnyAll-American
774 days ago
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I bet some of these people don't even read the article, they just look for where Brady is on the list.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
774 days ago
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and none of them take the nanosecond to realize Davis LOVES Tom Brady!!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #59
774 days ago
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where is ben roethlisberger with the steelers. I think terry bradshaw should have been rated higher
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Anonymous Fanatic #59
774 days ago
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I think your right ben should in the list
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Anonymous Fanatic #59
773 days ago
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you have got to be shitin me! ben roethlisberger should at in the top 50 people. I also think terry bradshaw should be higher ben has gotten perfect passer rating for the last couple of weeks tieing peyton#18 with the colts. go steelers! #1
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Anonymous Fanatic #50
705 days ago
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roethlisberger had one good year and is still too young to be great... we'll see
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Anonymous Fanatic #60
765 days ago
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The fact that you have Bradshaw as low as 19 is really sad.

He is one of only two QBs to win consecutive SB MVP trophies and the only QB to ever throw for 300 yards in consecutive SBS. His higlihgt films, especially in the post season, are as good as anyones. He was a BIG GAME QB and that is what every team wants. Joe Montana was a big game QB as well but everyone rates him at the top because he also has the stats. The 49ers were a passing offense that threw a crap load of high percentage passes so the stats build up. Joe was no better with the actual important throws in the post season than Bradshaw. As a matter of fact no one in SB history ever threw a better deep ball.

Terry is the only QB to win Back to Back SBs twice and the only to win 2 under the old rules and 2 under the revise rules.
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Anonymous Fanatic #61
760 days ago
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#12 Roger Staubach, is by far the Ted Williams of the NFL. If Staubach would have played the tenure that most of the QB's on the list played, all the so called top 5 would not be even holding his jock strap. Staubach was an amazing, special player who came around for a total of 8 full seasons. Thank you Roger, I still miss your game.
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Anonymous Fanatic #62
755 days ago
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Great article, great research. I am biased toward post season performance, which could be statistically applied. Here's a link (and why Marino is not in my top ten): http://www.c...n_Stats.html
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Anonymous Fanatic #63
753 days ago
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Bradshaw called his own plays, won four Super Bowls in six years, and played during an era when defensive backs could do things to receivers that would get you arrested in today's game. I've watched many a QB come in go, and he was among the best big game quarterbacks EVER.
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Simms1156Div-I Stud
747 days ago
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Brady probably would be higher now and I would think higher than but it is kind of rude to criticize the rankings when its not like he was using opinions he was using a formula.
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Anonymous Fanatic #64
744 days ago
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th formula is crap
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Anonymous Fanatic #64
744 days ago
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i cant believe mark brunell is under 90 this formula needs some serious adjusting
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SSreportersLegend
735 days ago
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Too many anons, too much stupidity.
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Behbigben15All-Star
734 days ago
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I think we need to make these dumbass AF's sign up in order to post comments. These guys are criticizing this article, and calling Davis dumb, but none of them know how to spell. I think a bunch of 1st graders have invaded AGM.
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RomiezzoLegend
734 days ago
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I have a better idea. Why don't we have the admins approve the comments or something before they are posted?
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Behbigben15All-Star
734 days ago
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Sounds good to me.
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Anonymous Fanatic #58
84 days ago
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So you think this formula is good? YOU ARE A TARD
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Anonymous Fanatic #65
724 days ago
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is the greatest qb ever in here? TOM BRADY?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
724 days ago
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"QB" not "GQ" cover...
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Anonymous Fanatic #66
723 days ago
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Under Len Dawson's write-up, you stated that "... four of the Top 12 quarterbacks on our list (Unitas, Young, Jurgensen, and Dawson) had their best years with teams other than the ones that drafted them."

You need to make that six... Brett Favre was drafted by Atlanta and traded to Green Bay after his first year. John Elway drafted by Baltimore Colts and trade to Denver lest he play baseball instead.

Other than that, I enjoyed your thoughts. I don't agree with every pick, but I have not researched either (more emotion than fact).
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Davis21wylieMVP
723 days ago
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Good call, I should change that. Thanks! As an aside, this is the kind of constructive anon commenting that we need more of here. Any chance you'll join the site? :)
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Anonymous Fanatic #67
708 days ago
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The Hall of Fame committee selected Bradshaw, Staubach and Stabler as the best QBs of the 70s. The analysis of your sort is insane. Way over thinking this. Bradshaw led or was among the league leaders in passing stats from 75-82. True, his 1st 4 years sucked. 15 TDs and 46 INTs his first two years, definitely skewed his stats. But he called his own plays. He was a leader, unlike Staubach who had his plays called for him.
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Anonymous Fanatic #68
707 days ago
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you guys dont know what your talking about Brady should be around5 ill give u the REAL top 5 1Montana 2 Elway 3Brady 4Marino 5Fouts
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
661 days ago
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I just luv how many pats fans or at least Brady fans have jumped this board and shout at the rooftops putting Brady at top 5 when he's only had 7 years of stats (6 for this article). Meanwhile several QBs in the league have put up better average passing yards let alone other stats to put them in better standing than Brady in the formula. I mean geee Davis did say he's also a fan of Brady, but going by the numbers not letting fan opinion cloud his judgement makes him more credible in my book.
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Anonymous Fanatic #68
707 days ago
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#63 is right
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Anonymous Fanatic #50
705 days ago
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you need to recheck your stats.... i.e. marino is the only qb to throw for over 5000 yards... you have roman gabriel doing that in '73... and you said marino only had 4885 in '84 when he had 5084, i don't know what else is wrong, but that's what i checked to see if stats were credible... guess not.. top 5 qb's all time in order > marino, montana, brady, p. manning, favre... not taking away from old timers like unitas or tarkenton cause they're in the top 10, but certainly not the top 5... you need to account for brady's run... he will be the best quarterback to ever play the game when his career is said and done.
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Anonymous Fanatic #69
690 days ago
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Great list! Thanks for sharing it. I enjoyed reading it! I'd like to see an updated version since Favre has taken over several records. Not sure I agree with it 100%, but I sure had fun reading it. Thanks again.

Mike

www.Favre4Sale.com
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Anonymous Fanatic #70
684 days ago
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trent green, vinny testeverde ahead of Jim plunket. Stats are meaningless as is this entire article.
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False ProphetAll-Star
661 days ago
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Re-reading this gave me an idea...
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Anonymous Fanatic #71
636 days ago
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This Article is absolutely Horrible Favre at 9 are u kidding? Ken Anderson, Dan Fouts, Steve Young should not be ahead of Favre that is ridicoulos. Stupid Article wasted 15 minutes of my life reading this and 5 minutes for writing this.
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Anonymous Fanatic #72
631 days ago
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5 minutes? You must write slow.
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Anonymous Fanatic #73
614 days ago
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Will this be updated to include 2007?
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Anonymous Fanatic #74
577 days ago
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Where is Tony Romo! Why isn't Romo #1!!!! This list is BOGUS


No, but seriously, I would love to see this list updated before next season, to see how far Brady and Manning climbed. I'd have to imagine Brady jumped into the top 25 with that season he had.
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Anonymous Fanatic #75
570 days ago
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romo sucks thats why
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Anonymous Fanatic #75
570 days ago
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Romo doesn't keep his head in the game and needs to wipe that stupid smile off his face when the cowboys are loosing.
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Anonymous Fanatic #75
570 days ago
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Nobody and i mean this through my heart, threw a football better than Dan Marino, its such a shame he never had a strong running back behind him and a strong defense through most of his carrer. such a shame!
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Anonymous Fanatic #75
570 days ago
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Please enough with Tom Brady too please.
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SSreportersLegend
570 days ago
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I know, he's turrible right?
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Anonymous Fanatic #76
562 days ago
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accurate, informitaive,correct this are all anytonnyms of this gay artical here is the real top ten.

1 brett favre

2 johnny unitas

3 bart starr

4 rodger staubach

5 steve young

6 joe montana

7 tom brady

8 troy aikman

9 terry bradshaw

10 dan marino
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
49 days ago
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brett farve is gay
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Anonymous Fanatic #77
559 days ago
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its nice to see jeff george get some respect that he deserves, he put up great numbers on some of the worst teams ever.
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Anonymous Fanatic #78
553 days ago
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In all honesty, the minute you saw Mark Brunell's name on your list, you should have stopped. I think the analysis of the top 20 was excellent. But throwing Brunell in the 20s and Testaverde anywhere on this list scares me. It's not that I disagree with the formula or the list, but to think that Brunell is better than Simms, Kelly or Aikman, or that Testaverde is better than ... well anyone lower than him on the list ... just hurts my head, whether it is true or not.
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Anonymous Fanatic #79
516 days ago
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I am not sure why all the old guys got top billing. They were tough and did their jobs, but come on, they wouldn't last a game against the new players. Between steroids and all day conditioning, plus the addition of African-Americans- there is no comparison. The leagues of old were limited and despite what folks say about heart and toughness, the old teams amounted to little more than really rough sandlot organizations. The plays are so complex these days, the coaching so sophisticated and the players so motivated by money- that Tittle and all the others would be out with concussions and broken jaws in one game. They played hard because pro football at the time paid more than what the average Joe could garner, and it reaped a measure of fame . Plus- they got to play a kid's game for a living. Just because we don't feel some primadonnas aren't earning their multi-year, multi million dollar contracted salaries- doesn't mean the effort isn't truly there by most. The average player never sees retirement, and never has a million dollar year. The average player does run faster, hit harder and competes more violently for even a second string slot than anyone in the past. The slices of pie are just more lucrative now, and the competetion, even if it doesn't seem that way to armchair quarterbacks is relentless. There are after all hundreds of NCAA teams that lend to the draft, as well as walk-ons and free trade. Nobody can take their job for granted. I'm not sure how many of those old timers could even run a respectable 40 or 100 meter dash. I would even say that alot of kickers and punters could shame some of the former NFL players. I have no doubt that the Lions or Packers of the 50s would be trounced by any of the perennial doormats of the modern NFL. I give the old-timers their due and an A for effort, but let's put the new guys up higher.
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JuTMSY4Legend
516 days ago
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you're not sure how the oldtimers get top billing? did you read the fucking method?
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Anonymous Fanatic #79
516 days ago
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hey JuTMSY4 take a chill pill- I'm sure he did read it, was just making a comment. Make your own list and post it , I'm sure you'll be happier
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JuTMSY4Legend
516 days ago
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did you just refer to yourself in the 3rd person?
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Anonymous Fanatic #80
488 days ago
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joe montana is the best qb ever
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Anonymous Fanatic #80
488 days ago
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should be top 2 joe montana peyton manning
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Anonymous Fanatic #81
484 days ago
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This article lost all credibility by putting names like Trent Green, M. Vick, Aaron Brooks, etc. in the top 100 and leaving off Ben Rothlesburger. Epic Fail
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Anonymous Fanatic #82
484 days ago
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worst article of all time? for someone who put so much time and effort into this you are completely clueless. brad johnson is ahead of tom brady. michael vick is actually on the list. where is ben roethlisberger? if you are gonna waste countless hours of your time at least make a reasonable top 100.
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Anonymous Fanatic #82
484 days ago
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my 6 year old cousin could come up with a better top 100 list btw
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JuTMSY4Legend
484 days ago
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ask him...
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Anonymous Fanatic #83
484 days ago
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What garbage.
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Anonymous Fanatic #83
484 days ago
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This article was compiled by a retard
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Anonymous Fanatic #84
480 days ago
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Danny White is no relation to Byron White.
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KelsdadAll-Star
479 days ago
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Byron "Whizzer" White is Danny White's father.
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Anonymous Fanatic #85
462 days ago
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lets get one thing straight, superbowls are won by teams not so dont judge QBs by rings cause thats just plain stupid! the great QBs should be judged by how they have performed with the talent that they have around them,alot of the top QBs here had so much talent that, hell i could have played well & won superbowls with. Marino was by far the greatest QB ever even the late great Bill Walsh said he was the most perfect QB hed ever saw, hes the only QB that i ever seen that when you played miami you knew who you had to stop but noone could.he lit up defenses with nobodies & with much respect for duper & clayton but they only good for bout 4yrs then they had become midgets compared to the rest of the league.those werent passes that montana & young were throwing in SF those were long handoffs, & manning is proving this yr that he needs great recievers or help from refs to look even halfway decent.elway had all those comebacks cause he screwed up so bad the first 3qrts & then he rides terrel davis & a great defense to 2 SB wins & all these idiots are giving him the credit. the broncos ran terrel davis in the ground those few yrs & ruined his career but Elway gets all the credit. thats BS! MARINO didnt need a running game, all they had to do was get him a defense before he got to old & he would have won mutiple SBs
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Anonymous Fanatic #86
426 days ago
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well, you forgot to mention peyton, and carson
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Anonymous Fanatic #87
390 days ago
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These stats are not even accurate for multiple players in multiple seasons. Did you just make stuff up based on memory?
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Anonymous Fanatic #87
390 days ago
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didn't read the top, my bad
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Anonymous Fanatic #88
338 days ago
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MICHEAL VICK AT 98 a joke ! he should be 200 come on you mentened ALL RUSHiNG FACTS! being a Qb is about ability to throw the ball not RUN! that is a RB's job.
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Anonymous Fanatic #89
337 days ago
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great job buddy the only 2 problems i had with the entire list was 1.brett favre is better than Dan marino i mean come on hes at 9 on this list. 2. all the players didn't have a picture, and some of these guys i've never even heard of. who the heck is 79. Mitt Plum?
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Anonymous Fanatic #90
234 days ago
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It's Milt Plum and he was a qb for the browns Go read a book or something! by the way , great list thanks for not forgetting Kosar. He's a hero to browns fans....
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Anonymous Fanatic #91
332 days ago
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Well i know this list was made a while ago, but after this season i think Kurt Warner moved way up on this stupid list..
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Anonymous Fanatic #92
309 days ago
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Troy Aikman 33. What is wrong with you
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Anonymous Fanatic #93
304 days ago
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I know you have a method behind your rankings and this is pretty petty, but over the years I've asked a number of people a simple question (I've also heard the question asked more than once on the radio). The question is, "If your team had to win a game and your life depended on it, which qb in his prime would you want on the team?" The answer is ALWAYS the same.....Joe Montana
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Anonymous Fanatic #94
270 days ago
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MICHAEL VICK IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE BEST RUSHING QUARTERBACK!!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
270 days ago
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Obviously you have never watched Bernie Kosar scramble.
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False ProphetAll-Star
270 days ago
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Vick may have been/may be the greatest runner ever to play QB, but he is not the greatest rushing QB ever (the distinction of course being that Vick sucks at actually being a QB)
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Steel TownDraft Pick
270 days ago
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I heard that Randall Cunningham guy was pretty good.
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Anonymous Fanatic #95
264 days ago
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Tom Brady is nothing special. Face it, your Patriots are a bunch of crooked punks. Montana will always be greater than Brady. 49ers may be down and out but they will be back and your team will still suck.
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Anonymous Fanatic #96
248 days ago
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91. i hate brady too i think he is just on a really good team. i liked the old pats with drew bledsoe(who should be higher on this list)and tony eason. i hate the pats now, i would love them if belechick the cheater left and cassel became the all time starter. one proof of evidence that cassel is better than brady is that Brady has had 9 years in the NFL. In that time he has had 1 400 yard passing game(the guy who said he should be in the top 5 u r wrong Dan Marino had 13 over 17 years brady will never compare to him or peyton manning) so like i said 1 400 yard passing game over 7 starting years. Cassel came in started his 1st year and already has 2 yes 2 400 yard passing games in his absolute very 1st year. My theory is that they each had a great O-LINE and 2 of the best receivers NOW, Wes Welker and Randy Moss and even their 3rd and 4th stringers have real talent in jabar gaffney and chad jackson. so yeah.Stabler also needs to move up. How about Mark Brunell at 36 and Stabler at 23 and john hadl at 33 and aikman at 21? seems more fitting for these players. still a good list
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Titanfan9Soccer Kid
203 days ago
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davis i really enjoyed this and i hope u can create several more of these types of lists
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PmoehrinVarsity
194 days ago
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Very well rounded list.

Nice to see guys like Fran Tarkenton, Y.A. Tittle, Roman Gabriel, and John Brodie shown the love they deserve amongst others.

I know people make such a big deal about guys like Brady and Bradshaw, but there's way too much emphasis placed on Super Bowl wins for evaluating great QB's.

Tom Brady didn't won three Super Bowls. Tom Brady was the quarterback of a team that won three Super Bowls. I think people lose track of that.

Jim Plunkett was the quaterback of a team that won two Super Bowls. I don't see anyone trying to argue that Jim Plunkett was an all-time great.

I'm not saying Brady can't be considered an all-time great, but he has to play longer for me to put him in the top 25 and above.

In no other sport will you find as much emphasis placed on postseason performances as in football. Super Bowl performances have been the sole factor in determining whether or not a guy gets into the Hall of Fame, the best example being Lynn Swan.

I also like how this list took into account the era's in which the QB's played in at least to some degree. (I've myself have had problems with trying to mold one season into another, but it still got to the point pretty well.)

Fran Tarkenton has to be considered a top five, and at the very least a top ten QB under any standard. He's quite possibly the best mobile QB the game has ever seen but more then that, he was the NFL's all time leader in passing yards, and passing TD's when he retired.

Had the game not becoming more passing oriented in the late 70's and early 80's, I'm not sure if Marino would have been able to catch Tark's numbers.

The only knock against Tarkenton is that he never won a Super Bowl, which I don't think is right.

Again Fran Tarkenton didn't lose three Super Bowls. He was the quarterback on a team that lost three Super Bowls.

But he was still the quarterback of a team that got to three Super Bowls. There's only a handful of other QB's that can say that, and virtually none of them have the numbers to match what Tarkenton did when you adjust for the era's they played in. (the only two QB's that can come close are Montana and Elway)

Some are afraid to argue that Fran Tarkenton was the greatest QB of all-time, but I'm not. The guy played 18 years, revolutionized the game with his scrambling ability, and was the most prolific passer in NFL history when he retired.

If he and someone like Terry Bradshaw could trade places, we'd be hearing much more about how Fran Tarkenton might have been the greatest QB of all-time, but we'd also be hearing about at least two more Steeler titles then they currently have.
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Anonymous Fanatic #97
178 days ago
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Pmoehrin,

While it's true that Tarkenton was one of the all-time greats, I think this:

"If he and someone like Terry Bradshaw could trade places, we'd be hearing much more about how Fran Tarkenton might have been the greatest QB of all-time, but we'd also be hearing about at least two more Steeler titles then they currently have."

is a stretch. Keep in mind that one of the Super Bowl losses for Tark and the Vikes was to Bradshaw and the Steelers, a game in which the Viking offense didn't score a point against the Steel Curtain.
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PmoehrinVarsity
178 days ago
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On paper Tarkenton had a horrible game, but in reality, Tarkenton really didn't play all that bad.

I think that game represents a microcosm of how Fran Tarkenton is viewed. Most people have the image of him being sacked in his own end zone for a safety, although it was actually a great play by Tarkenton. Dave Osborn fumbled the pitch by Tarkenton, and Tarkenton falling on the ball actually wound up saving five points.

But even if he did have a bad game, look at what he did every game leading up to it. You'll see the damn near best QB in the NFC for the 1974 season. Bradshaw by comparison nearly lost his starting job.

As far as the Bradshaw comment, there's alot of other names from that era I could put in there other then Fran Tarketon. Jim Hart would be in the Hall of Fame if he was the Steelers QB. The Steelers won through their defense and their running game.

You know what the Steelers record was in the playoffs in games where the defense allowed more then 20 points during the 1970's? 1-4, with the only win coming against the Cowboys in Super Bowl 13, where Bradshaw had a great game. But the other four games he didn't do much of anything. You put Tarkenton in there instead of Bradshaw, that Steeler offense gets upgraded, and maybe they win a couple of those games where the defense didn't completely shut down the opposition.

I regard Bradshaw as a good player on a great team. He wasn't horrible, and did more good for the Steelers then bad, but I think the Steelers could have done just as well if not better with somebody like Jim Hart, or Ken Anderson at QB.

But again way too much emphasis being placed on how well players did in the Super Bowl. It's a championship game, true, but it's still one game out of over a hundred a player will play in their career. I look at the total sum of those games before looking at one championship game. I think that will give you a much better reading on how good somebody actually played.
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Anonymous Fanatic #98
166 days ago
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mcnabb is to high his stats might be good but he will never get it done he will get to super bowls but will not win
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Anonymous Fanatic #99
152 days ago
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dan marino. no super bowls. should drop you from the top 25. end of story. aikman had three super bowl wins. tell me that isnt part of being elite.
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CheezerAll-Star
152 days ago
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So Charles Haley is the best defensive player ever? Following your logic, his five rings would say so.
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Titanfan9Soccer Kid
48 days ago
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marino had mark clayton and mark duper and no running game. woop de doo. the only reason duper and clayton had good numbers was because of marino and his perfect arm. no help on defense and still somehow made it to a super bowl. there were 2 hall of famers on the offense marino and dwight stephenson. aikman however had weapons all over. he had michael irvin(hall of famer) and alvin harper and jay novacek. and when u have the all time leading rusher emmitt smith and daryl johnston then u have a pretty high powered offense. and jimmy johnson's defense included charles haley and deion sanders and leon lett. so i guess it was a bunch easier to get to a super bowl with them then what dan had. so if aikman has 3 rings then he should have 4.
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Anonymous Fanatic #100
150 days ago
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DREW BREES IS DA BEST
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Anonymous Fanatic #101
80 days ago
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SUCKS
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Anonymous Fanatic #102
42 days ago
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i love drees
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Anonymous Fanatic #82
146 days ago
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so now that big ben has won another super bowl can roethlisberger finally crack the top 100? nah, i think plummer is a better choice
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Anonymous Fanatic #103
141 days ago
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Danny Whie is not Byron 'Whizzer' White's son. He is Wilford 'Whizzer' White's son.
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Anonymous Fanatic #103
141 days ago
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Yes, Wilford 'Whizzer' White is Danny White's father.
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Anonymous Fanatic #104
95 days ago
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McNabb is the best.
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Anonymous Fanatic #101
80 days ago
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Yeah right!!! go BLEDSOE
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
89 days ago
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how can you have peyton manning so high as 15 but brady has played less time has more rings and is #54 are you kidding me hes at least top 15. in my book his top five and he still has more great years to come
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Anonymous Fanatic #105
85 days ago
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Looks like Warner needs to be moved up as well. Time to revise.
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Anonymous Fanatic #58
84 days ago
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THIS LIST IS STRAIGHT UP OFFENSIVE. BRADY SHOULD BE #1. THE PEOPLE YOU PUT HIM BEHIND ARE AWFUL AND COULDN'T BE HIS FRICKIN VALET. RETHINK YOUR METHOD OF ORDERING.
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Anonymous Fanatic #58
84 days ago
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BRADY ALSO HAS THE SINGLE GREATEST SEASON FOR ANY QUARTERBACK EVER. NOT TO MENTION THAT HE MAKES GUYS LIKE DEON BRANCH AND WES WELKER (WHO I DO LOVE) LOOK LIKE GODS, WHEN IN ALL REALITY, THEY WOULDN'T BE THAT GOOD ON OTHER TEAMS. WHO HAS PEYTON MANNING BEEN THROWING TO? JUST MARVIN HARRISON AND REGGIE WAYNE AND DALLAS CLARK. NOW HE EVEN HAS ANTHONY GONZALEZ, WHO IS A PLAYER. WHEN BRADY FINALLY GOT A GOOD RECEIVER, WHO EVERYONE THOUGHT WAS WASHED UP (MOSS) THEY KILLED THE SINGLE SEASON RECORD FOR TOUCHDOWN PASSES FROM ONE QB TO ANOTHER. ENOUGH SAID. FIX YOUR LIST.
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Anonymous Fanatic #101
80 days ago
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BRADY can suck my beeep
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Anonymous Fanatic #106
84 days ago
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you patriots fans need to quit crying about it Tom Brady sucks. Go Colts
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Anonymous Fanatic #101
80 days ago
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yeah!
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
54 days ago
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anonymous fan 105 your a fag tom brady is and always will be better than peyton manning get over it colts suck more rings in less time ill take brady any day over him even with a bad knee
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Anonymous Fanatic #101
80 days ago
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what?! drew bledsoe should be 20th of all time look at the nfl passing records he is top ten in nearly every catagory
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Anonymous Fanatic #107
61 days ago
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tom brady sukssssssssssssssss
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
49 days ago
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ur gay
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Anonymous Fanatic #102
42 days ago
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that is true
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Anonymous Fanatic #107
61 days ago
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not to mention that the patriots cheated in tha rams patriots super bowl back in 01 hahahahaha
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Anonymous Fanatic #108
57 days ago
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BRADY ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!! GO PATS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #102
42 days ago
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brady an't good enough to be in top 100
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Anonymous Fanatic #109
52 days ago
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While I don't agree with the list, it's still the best list on the net...at least as I could find. It has all the greats and emphasises the oldies, which is okay as a contrast to the norm.

Here's my Top 24, which is always in flux: Top 12 - Montana - Marino - Favre - Tarkenton - Graham - Baugh - Luckmann - P.Manning - Brady - Elway - Unitas - Jurgensen

Second 12 - Van Brocklin - Moon - Layne - Fouts - Andersen - Waterfield - Brodie - Starr - Gabriel - Bradshaw - Dawson

- Staubach
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Anonymous Fanatic #109
52 days ago
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Third 12

- McNabb - Cunningham - Kelly - Namath - Lamonica - Stabler - Lomax - Tittle - Isbell - Warner - B. Jones

- Brees
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Anonymous Fanatic #109
51 days ago
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Fourth 12

- Jaworski - C. Johnson - Griese - Plum - Simms - Boomer - Thompson - Hart - Everett - Green - Brunell

- Kreig
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Anonymous Fanatic #109
51 days ago
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Last 2: F. Ryan (deserves to be higher, forgot about him) and A. Manning There, my Top 50.
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Anonymous Fanatic #102
42 days ago
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#1 p. manning pierid
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Anonymous Fanatic #102
42 days ago
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i love phillup rivers GO CHARGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #110
41 days ago
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Peyton Manning #1
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Anonymous Fanatic #111
34 days ago
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Interesting article, but where did you get your stat lines from? According to ProFootballReference.com and NFL.com almost none of the league averages your using to normalize stats are accurate. For instance you have Marino throwing for 4885 yds in '84 the average at the time was 3294.2 and the average in '06 was 3276.9 using those numbers Marino's 5084 should be only slightly less at about 5057. What am I missing?
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Anonymous Fanatic #112
30 days ago
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Stats are meaningless wothout w's so here is a formula how many games were played in regular season and how many victories? Then in the post season the same thing! What are the percentages! In the games they lost did they go out injured ? Did they play the ganme injured? Did they wear a corsett under their gear like Johnny Unitas as in his exibit in Canton? Nobody as tough as Unitas and Montana 1 and two or 1 and 1a as with these stats! Even without the Stats and w's to me these are the two greatest! One thing seperates them both Unitas called his own game and Montana did not Walsh was the play caller for him!
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Anonymous Fanatic #113
24 days ago
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johnny unitas was the best qb ever. i remember one game he was carried off the field with 2 broken ribs, and a punctured lung. he was back playing in 2 weeks. he called his own plays, and it was a much tougher game back then. they had no IN THE GRASP rule to protect quarterbacks like they do today. when unitas retired he held 22 passing records
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Anonymous Fanatic #114
2 days ago
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Bledsoe Farve plus manning ahead of Brady ridiculus
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1 day 22 hours 28 minutes ago
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I think it's clear... I'm the greatest QB to ever live. Fuck "the modern era" (as in 'this article - and statistical method - was posted in August 2007') . The modern era isn't even the modern era anymore.
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Anonymous Fanatic #115
21 hours 17 minutes ago
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very little love for drew brees....i would at least have him in the top 75....and considering the numbers he posted the last year or two since this was posted he should be closing in on top 60-50. the lil guy never gets any respect.
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