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Talking Tribe 6/23

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by user David

I couldn’t tell you the official time of death, but I’m going to go ahead and call it: the Cleveland Indians’ season is over. Yes, I realize last year’s team was actually in just as bad shape on August 1 as this one is now, but there are a lot of differences between those clubs. Here are just two of them:

Pitching

The 2005 Indians had one of the greatest pitching staffs the city has ever seen and probably will ever see. And guess what? Not even that could get them into the playoffs. This year, the Indians have pitching that is most of the time terrible, sometimes good, but rarely great. The Indians would need several 10-15 game winning streaks to have any chance of getting back into the race, and that isn’t going to happen with such inconsistent pitching.

Attitude

This is the first year that this group of players has had an expectation to win, and they have carried themselves that way to a fault. Especially after the 6-1 start, I think the team started to think a little too highly of itself. When losses started to come more frequently, management and players alike blew it off, saying it was still early yet. I’m not sure when it officially stops being early, but it’s my guess that when you’re 15 games out and nearing the end of June, it's a little past early. Yet, I still have not seen that sense of urgency. They act like they’ve got plenty of time. But all it will take is another week or so of this type of play and there will no longer be any hope of getting back into the race. The postseason odds report gives the Indians a 1.2 percent chance of making the playoffs right now. Um, that’s not good.

At this point, I’m done caring about a sense of urgency. Instead, I want to see the team preparing for next year by trading away players not part of the long-term plan and bringing up some of the kids to get them experience (such as the move recently made in trading away Jason Johnson and bringing up Jeremy Sowers). But since the team hasn’t played with a sense of urgency up to this point and since, at 15 games out, there is little point in playing with one now, that means this team will not have shown any urgency the entire season. And that is simply inexcusable. I never again want to hear, “It’s just one win” or “just one loss.” How is a game in April any less important that one in September? They all count the same. If you miss the playoffs by a game, sure you can look at a game you lost in late September as the reason why, but what about games you lost in April and May? Win those and you would have been in the playoffs.

And that is the reason why I think Eric Wedge should be fired. I have stated that I was not quite there yet, but guess what? I’ve arrived. One of the things I liked about Wedge last year was his ability to keep the team in the moment. They were never looking back or looking forward; they were always focused on the task immediately at hand. But I have grown tired of this. I watch managers in our division like Jim Leyland and Ozzie Guillen who are not afraid to chew their team out when they suck, even if they have been playing great up to that point. I remember early in the season when everyone thought Leyland was crazy for bashing his team in the media after one early loss to the Indians, but I’d say that worked out pretty well. Guillen could probably have been declared clinically insane late last year when the Indians were making a run at his White Sox, but we know how that turned out. His team went on to the playoffs and had an incredible run all the way to a title.

Wedge has been great at keeping the young players on an even keel. That was invaluable when this team was made up of nothing but young players from 2002 to 2005. But now those young players are not so young anymore and they need a manager who will give them a good kick in the butt when they need it. Right now the players need it, but Wedge is not the guy who will give it. I expect to see a lot of changes with this team in the next year, and I hope a new manager is one of them.


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Fri 06/23/06, 10:47 am EST

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Awrigh01All-Star
1263 days ago
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nice first line
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Awrigh01All-Star
1263 days ago
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I think alot of the offensive problems result from Perlata, he was the lynch-pin last year.
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FriskysmanVarsity Captain
1263 days ago
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Wedge leaving Peralta to flounder in the 3-hole for so long this season is just another reason I think he should be fired.
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Awrigh01All-Star
1263 days ago
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yeah, why did he do that? He seemed more comfortable in the 6 spot.
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FriskysmanVarsity Captain
1263 days ago
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Hafner had been hitting third most of last year, but when he got hurt and was out for a few weeks, Wedge put Peralta there and left him upon Hafner's return. I thought that was a mistake from the beginning. You should bat your best hitter third and Peralta was never even close to the Indians' best hitter. He is, at best, fourth. Wedge is just stubborn, I think. After all the struggles this year, he sat Peralta for a few days and then moved him back to 6th or 7th. Peralta started to get hot again, so what did Wedge do? Back up to third. Ugh.
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ForsetiPee Wee
1258 days ago
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Its important to remember that Peralta moving to the 3-hole was the reason that the Indians got back into things last year. Also, this year will end with the Indians being a little better than .500 and looking eagerly ahead to next year because of all the young talent they are going to bring up. Sowers will be the 5th man in the rotation behind CC, Cliff, Jake, and Byrd. Marte should take over third, Peralta won't have the same kind of soph slump, Belliard is a question at 2nd, but I think the Indians will re-sign him once hes eligible for FA, Garko is in the minors to replace Perez and will platoon with Broussard, Guttierez is looking good in right to take Blake's spot (who could very well platoon with Brouss if Garko doesnt), Grady in center, Michaels in left and Hafner at DH. Gotta love small-market teams. They are the hottest team in the league pre-season and it doesn't pan out, so they have to retool from within right away. Go Tribe.
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Awrigh01All-Star
1263 days ago
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I really thought that the Indians would explode this year. Sizemore is a great player. I expected a big year from Lee and C.C. and figured that their offense would just be disgusting. I think they could pull it out in the second half.
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FriskysmanVarsity Captain
1263 days ago
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After the Coco trade, I knew the FO was pretty much writing off this season so I'm not that surprised the team isn't contending. I didn't expect they would be THIS bad, but there is still a lot of time. I'm just not sure there is enough time to come all the way back as some think they still have a chance to do. Yes, they nearly came back from 15 down last year, but that was with Hall of Fame-caliber pitching. The team doesn't have anything like that right now unless Jeremy Sowers shows himself to be the next Tom Glavine and does it quick.
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Awrigh01All-Star
1263 days ago
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I think Sowers will be a good pitcher, but is a little over-hyped. Took Glavine 3 years to develop into an ace, look at his #s.
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DNLLegend
1263 days ago
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Their pitching staff leaves a lot to be desired. They look like the mid-to-late 1990s Texas Rangers. All bat, no pitch.
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Awrigh01All-Star
1263 days ago
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C.C. and Cliff Lee are decent pitchers
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FriskysmanVarsity Captain
1263 days ago
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The pitching should improve. C.C. and Lee are solid. Byrd has shown a lot of improvement. Westbrook is up and down but when he's on, he's unhitable. Unfortunately, he is a groundball pitcher (as is Byrd and as was Jason Johnson) and the Indians' defense has not been giving him a lot of help as they have in seasons past. That's one of the reasons the Red Sox think they might be able to get something out of Johnson where the Indians couldn't. The bullpen has been a mess but that is the nature of the game. The same pitchers could be lights out next year. You just don't know because bullpens are so hard to predict. It's quite telling in that the Indians had one of the worst in 2004, the best in 2005, and now the worst again in 2006. They have a lot of depth (both starting and bullpen) in the minors, so the Indians should be able to get out of this hole in a hurry, so long as there aren't too many setbacks. The test begins on Sunday with Sowers' debut.
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1262 days ago
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Notice most (if not all outside of Wickman) of those guys who made up the bullpen are gone this year. That's a bright front office move. "Hey, we have the best bullpen in the MLB, should we resign these guys? Nah."
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FriskysmanVarsity Captain
1262 days ago
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You're right Chachi. Letting Howry and Elarton go and trading away Rhodes and Riske was a huge mistake. I don't really blame them for not resigning Millwood because he got a ridiculous contract, but there is no excuse for not bringing back as much as they could of a tremendous pitching staff.
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ForsetiPee Wee
1258 days ago
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Howry was askign for too many years for a guy that has had chronic arm problems throughout his career and Rhodes had to be dealt for a big-league ready OF to replace Crisp. Cabrera, Carmona, Guthrie, Matt Miller (IR), Sauerbeck (designated for assignment) were going to comprise a promising bullpen. Elarton was just a serviceable starter and Jason Johnson appeared to be an upgrade for the 5th spot in the rotation because he was an innings-eater. The Indians have to look 3-years ahead when making moves and as such couldn't re-sign Howry. They traded away Coco to get their much-needed 3B of the future and free up the system to bring in Trevor Crowe, Franklin Guttierez and a host of other OF prospects. Because Coco had to go, they make a small trade with the Phillies and send aging, expensive reliever Rhodes to get a cheap and seemingly-ready Big Leaguer in Michaels. Rhodes wasnt seen as a huge loss because of guys like Jason Davis, Caberea, Guthrie, Carmona and Rafael Perez in the farm system. Start thinking like Mark Shapiro and not like the Yankees, Red Sox, and White Sox, who can afford to re-sign their integral pieces even at higher costs. Small market teams have to go in cycles of bringing in prospects while hanging on to a few key guys that they can lock up for a long time (Sizemore, CC, Lee, Hafner, Martinez, Peralta).
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BWWWaterboy
1262 days ago
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Wedge needs to go. He doesn't seem to be the right guy for this job.
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