Mac or Bonds: Who Roided It Up Better?

It's a tough one. Seems to me McGuire gets endurance points for doing it longer. Bonds had to be doing it in 2000 (maybe that's when he started) simply because of his face. Before 2000 he looked like a normal member of society. In 2000 he has that I hate the world I'm pissed off look we've all come to expect. Bonds has done it better because he hasn't had to stick as many needles in certain places. He also wins the cover since everyone saw the Andro in McGuire's locker that started the "discovery". My favorite part is looking at how Bonds's head balloned in size.

I say you're an idiot. Why don't you compare Roger Clemons to Julio Franco? Did you see Clemons' pix during his great run last year? At Texas, he was a runt compared to what he became. How about pix of Franco this year after his "oldest player to hit a homer" media blitz? He was a stick figure when he was young - now look at him. It's called age and better weight training. And while you're at it, think about this: why is it that no one thinks Vernon Davis, NFL 1st round draft choice, did 'roids, when he admittedly gained 25 pounds and dropped to 5% body fat in three months? All anyone did is praise him for his work ethic in "getting ready for the pros."

haha, great article. they both roided up well over the years.

looking at the pictures, i would say mcgwuire started the juice around 1993, and bonds in 2000.

I say McGwire. He claimed it was andro and a lot of people believed him. He retired with a little credibility until he went in front of Congress. Bonds, has been caught in lie after lie, and his bad attitude doesn't help him at all.

I think the thing that freaked me out most was seeing Bonds with a goatee again. Compared to the mammoth melon that sits atop his shoulders now, he looks completely different. As for the anonymous fan that thinks you are picking on Bonds while not looking at other players, I think he's missing a few of the finer points. One of which being that Clemens, Franco, and Davis' heads didn't balloon up to almost mythical proportions. Supposedly steroid and HGH use can directly lead to this. Because, you know, it's totally natural for a 40 year old man's hat size to jump 2 inches. By the way, great article fellas.

Mcgwire had a thick base even in 87.. Balco Bonds was a wirey kid. Mark can be questioned. Balco Barry is guilty.

The Oakland steroid thread: Reggie Jackson ->Canseco (and Mike Davis)->McGwire->Giambi->Tejada. Not to mention the guys who have been teammates of these guys (Kingman (got very muscular there at the end),Palmiero, Pujols (steroids not illegal in the Dominican Republic,notorious HGH user too, Jim Edmonds, Brady Anderson etc.

Pujols is a notorious HGH user??? Did I miss something?

They both juiced up, McGwire just juiced up first. McGwire saw the heat coming and got out of baseball before hit it, he wanted to avoid the situation Barry is in. I've always got a good laugh at McGwire rookie card, Barry's too.

Pujols? Say it ain't so!

Wow, I never linked McGwire to Pujols, I guess that would be why he looks lie he is 35.

ummm....who roided it up better??? they both lose....and all of baseball looses too...not just because of them, but the whole thing......lame

Ha, you can always tell the Bonds buttswab. He's the guy that brings up "What about Clemens..."

Barry's elbow armor is ILLEGAL!!! Doesn't MLB notice that kind of thing? It is HUGE and it's illegal! Nuff said.

pj Connolly

Reno, NV

Barry Bonds had a goattee? I have no memory of this. Also, either he used to wear much bigger hats when he was young, or his head had swollen to 5 times its natural size.

Mac should never have lost the mullet. Or pumped himself with enough steroids to kill that elephant on the A's uniform. He hit 49 homers when he weighed 48 pounds.

It's a tough call on who's the better juicer. I'd say Bonds, cause even though he's absolutely ruined a 5 tool skill set, he's still able to use one of those tools. McGwire was a one tool player and he went from awesome to incredible in that one area and that's it. He never learned how to hit for average, and his fall off at the end was drastic to put it mildly.

As for the disappearing stirrups, at this point Barry looks like he's wearing kids pajamas now. Luckily he never has to move faster than a liesurely trot, so the likelihood of tripping over his pants is slim.

And he usually spells it 'Clemons'

Mac never did steroids, look at the size of his junk in the 2000 picture? You cant have a hog that big and be on steroids. Case closed!

Is that guy staring at Mac's junk? How dare you delegitimize an important forum debate like this one by injecting homosexual undertones. That's terrible. Oh, and I don't see a real difference between either one of these guys' rookie cards to today. I mean, everyone I know puts on 65lbs of lean muscle in their late 30's. Doesn't everyone?

in response to the '2000 junk' comment. Steroids don't shrink your penis genius, they mildly shrink your testicles, and only while your on cycle, at which point they return to their normal size. Do some research before you post sounding like not only a homo, but an imbecile.

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mac seemed to get bigger very gradually...bonds just KABANG!!!

Compare Mac from 1995 to 1996 that doesn't look gradual to me.

the difference between the two is the Mac took steroids that were technically legal and Barry Bonds is taking steroids that are illegal. Not that I am saying that Mac's usage is ok, I hate them both for ruining baseball. Now everytime a hitter does really well all of a sudden people are going to wonder if he is using. If Barry passes Hank Aaron I am going to scream. I am already dealing very badly with the fact that he is going to pass the Babe.

When you look at rookie years compared to latter years they are barely recognizable. After the steroid hype Andrew Jones is the hr leader with 51 compared to a few years earlier when bonds hits 73, come on. It's guys like McGwire, Bonds, Clemons, and Giambi who have dont about as much for baseball as the strike in 1994 accomplished. If you disagree the these players did not use steroids then you are in denial. Just look at the numbers. Posted by Joel Montgomery Evansville, Indiana

Steroids are great! My balls are almost back to normal size too! All this steroid talk is about the disgrace of the game and the tarnishing of hallowed records. Quit your bitching and go away. The Roid era was the best thing for baseball. I don't know anyone who wants to go back to just hittin' em where they ain't. The home run ball is what we love and why we are still fans. If these ballers want to ruin thier bodies and perform beyond thier natural capabilities let them. They get paid enough, know the risks, and as far as I'm concerned, reap the rewards for the actions they take. Maybe a little dead ball would be better and we could save the "integrity" of the game, but guess what, these guys will find another clear and will continue to raise the level of play and make it EXCITING to watch. You can not dispute watching them unfold is almost as enjoyable. Side note, Barry, get back on the juice, not only will you die sooner, but you'll have more than warning track power!

Note the complete lack of bulge in Barry's '99 year. A clear byproduct of the roid abuse. Barry, you refused to sign my baseball when I was i kid. I hope you die a painful death only after you are stripped of your hall of fame eligibility. I hate you!!

How dare you disgrace the greatest player of all time like this. Shame on you. Oh and I am talking about Mr. Barry Bonds. Enough said.

Let us not forget that McGwire hit 49 HR's his rookie year, also look at his arms when he was a 2nd and 3rd year player, they look pretty muscular. Sure he got huge, and most likely did roids... but he didn't transform from Barney Fife into the Micheline man like Bonds.

McGwire definately did steroids, but whoever posted the comment saying that Pujols was connected to it is an idiot

"steroids not illegal in the Dominican Republic" Actually, Albert Pujols moved to the U.S. before he hit puberty. Steroids don't help you hit homeruns when you're 8 years old. "notorious HGH user too"

Uh, no, you just made that up.

Bonds has never tested positive. Never. Aside from the accusations, with a very diverse weight training regimine one can gain massive amounts of muscle over a year and even down to around three months.

Whats wrong with steroids in moderation? It's not like their trainers wanted to kill either of them by age 50.

You do not have to test positive when your Grandy Jury testomony leaks admitting you used. Also they can not test for homan growth hormones you clown

steroids weren't a tested illegal substance until the 2003 season with no penalty and a positive test didn't yeild any pertinent suspension until '04. not to mention they were only tested once a year, any more was based on suspiscion. its pretty easy to find someone who can "privy" you on when they're testing so you can change your cycle. barry's 73 was in '03 so the lack of a positive test since then means nothing. you can't change the fact that bonds admitted in front of a jury to using. he did it, we don't know for how long but he did it, there is no denying that. as for the tool who said pujols was using, pujols has more homeruns in his first 5 seasons than anyone and, to my eyes, hasn't shown any considerable size gain since his rookie year. not to mention his numbers have only gotten better since baseball started a stricter testing policy.

Wow! There are quite a few idiots on this board. Are you honestly saying that you look the same at age 35 as you did at age 18? Did any of you geniuses put on weight from your late teens to mid-30's? Yeah, I thought so. By the way, can you show me a positive test for McGwire? Didn't think so.

i would fuck jessica alba

This is a great article, I enjoyed every moment of reading. But, in my eyes, and a lot of people my hate me for it, but what is so bad about these guys using steroids or HGH. I know, it is morally wrong, and corrupts the integrity of the game. But seriously, its the 21st century. If these guys want to gain mass, there are so many supplements on the market that will allow them to. All I have to say is, roiding up is not goin to improve your eye-hand corridination. You still gotta hit a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph hanger over the fence. Yeah, even I can hit both those pitches, and not have the same effect as someone who is on steroids, but that is why I went no further than collegiate ball. These guys are good! Period! They just have the resources and ability to put themselves head and shoulders above most guys. I'm actually rooting for Bonds to break Aaron's record. I may hate the guy, but thats what the fans want to see...is records being broken, and what better record to be broken is "How many homeruns can you hit?"

I would sooooo fuck Jessica Alba as well. Did you ever see "Into the Blue"? DAMN, nice ass....nice fucking ass!!!

into the blue is the worst movie created in this millenium and you are both tools. But, McGwire got more fame for his use, while Bonds just got bad press.

Alright McGwire is the man, bottom line. He hit 49 hrs his ROOKIE year. No one has ever come close to that feat. He is 6 foot 5 and when your a giant it really isnt hard to put on size. But all an all i could give a crap what they put in there body to get it done. Im just glad they made the game worth watching again. Does anyone remember the Home Run derbys when Mac and Sosa were at there best, my favorite was Fenway HR derby.(the made the green monster look like a little league fence. Finally Mac would have had the single season record still but he took games off like it was his senior year in high school. His at bat to homerun ratio was ridiculus. In the end thanks guys and sorry the world is full of hypocratical Liberal pussies. Love you Guys.

Im 6'7" and when i was 18 i weighed 180lbs soaking wet, i went to the gym 3 days a week for 4 years and only used creatine a little bit, the whole time drinking my nights away and hell if i didnt weigh 280lbs in 4 short years. An I wasnt even all that serious about lifting. These monsters have the best trainers,diets,vitamins,and drive($). Ofcourse there gonna get big quick. So quit being babies and enjoy the show.

barry wins, needles down. even as a wirey rook, big mac had the frame to be quite a stocky guy. if you had to guess one of them was gonna naturally become "stocky", it would no doubt be big mac. barry was a toothpick. he was fairly scrawny for years, in that darryl strawberry, ken griffey way. when mac began to bulk, it was more subtle, until the enormous monstrosity phase at the end. barry just exploded out of nowhere. it's an easy one, barry all the way.

and to those actually trying to deny that this happened, oh for christ's sake stop it. you're laughable. judge it how you like: good, bad for the game, a necessity, natural progress, a disgrace,whatever, who cares. but to comment implying they didn't? you realize no one buys it any more. anyone w/common sense who watches sports has understood that this has been and is happening.

Not to mention one baseball card from each year is a horribly small sample size and shows nothing. Especially when the creators of this admittedly only picked cards that showed more girth than others. Also, some of these pictures are obviously distorted by lighting, poses, etc.

compare forearms in 1992 to 1996

you're an idiot, while i'm not saying they didn't use steriods, it's possible that lifting over a period of 10 years and maturing can change your appearance dramatically. People can't judge them based off of two pictures that are 10 years apart.

Barry is the bigger roidhead because McGwire's supplements were still legal at the time. That takes him out of roid contention. Now about Bonds's face, facial growth like that almost seems to hint at steroid use as in Prednisone. Illegal roids can do the same thing in larger quantities, so it doesn't surprise me that it looks like someone injected air into his head.

Big Mac roided it up better, more home runs in a shorter period of time and he kissed the Pope's ring without breaking his hand. Barry's voice sounds like someone kicked him in the nuts.

After the strike baseball was hurt...we were hurt....the game needed evolution, and quick..It got it, through a steroid era. That's the beauty and romance about baseball, it's PURE...if you cheat you will be caught..you will never be forgotten, just like all the greats, but you will be labeled. You can't throw the series, bet on games, or take steroids. I doesn't matter anyways....what will people think of when they see the shimmering * next to the names of these men.

Bonds is better because he has stayed around to take the heat, Big Mac got in and got out like the biatch that he is! At least it seems some of bonds' growth was legit, but I have to admit it (the forehead) gets hugely susspecious in 1999.

start in 1987 to present with some Jimmy Kren photos and Randy you could use some roids

Has anybody thought to contact New Era, the hat company, and talked some secretary into looking up the old records. Let's see the changes in hat size over the years!!!

This is why Pro Football is the American passtime now. Who really cares about Baseball any more. It makes Curling look like Roller Ball. When was the last time you heard somebody say, "Gee, I wonder who the Blue Jays will draft this year?"

Mac roided better. Barry didn't start roiding until Mac broke the record.

Did they use steroids? Sure they did. But any of you morons that think Andro doesn't pack on massive gains is an idiot. This coming from a guy who went from 5'9 160 to 5'9 200 in a period of a year while using two cycles of Andro. So it's very possible that Mac only did Andro. But who cares? The steroid era ruined the integrity of the game? Is that why attendance has increased steadily every year in the steroid era? It's funny how people act as if pitchers didn't use steroids, or tat steroids somehow don't help pitchers, even though most of the players suspended last year were pitchers. Maybe the gawdy home run numbers this year have something to do with lack of steroid use among pitchers. Regardless, every era is full of cheaters, I.E. the pitchers in the hall who used doctored balls; it's the same thing: gaining an unfair advantage over an opponent, and yet I never hear about that. As to integrity, sure, Ty Cobb was a hell of a guy, you know it's not like he was a bitter racist who is an embarassment to the game. As to Mr. Bonds, he's a jerk, and I still love him. Warning track power? I believe he's starting to heat up, and he homered again today. His only issue is his legs, which allow him to turn on the inside heat, and he's starting to get them back now. GO REDS!

And oh yeah, Bonds hit 73 in 2001, not 2003.

Mac has never denied using steroids. Anyone who thinks he didn't roid is an idiot. And steroids weren't banned by baseball until 2002. So Barry really didn't break rules because he could have gone off of roids in 03 and would have definitely stayed puffy. The statistics issue is interesting, what if Bonds and Mac hit 30 to 40 percent of their homers off of pitchers who are on roids. Let's think who those could be. Gagne is clearly as suspect. Goes from a crummy starter with weak stuff to an overpowering much bigger closer. Rocket is the Barry Bonds of pitching. I think he went on the juice when he left the Sox for toronto and had a "career revitalization" at the age when most pitchers start to feel old.

mcgwire is clearly the better home run hitter of the two. yes bonds has more homeruns, but he has played 5 more seasons, 3005 more at bats, and 878 more games than mcgwire played(and counting); with only 129 more home runs. he has a better at bat to homerun ratio (actually the best of all time). yes they both used roids but at least mcgwire gradually got bigger rather than putting on probly about 30 to 40 lbs. in 1 season from roids.

Bonds def. did steriods, and a picture is worth a thousand words. Unless he defies the laws of gravity, physics, and genetics, there is NO way that you can go from being that small to being that big. Also, Bonds sure as hell, WAS one hell of a baseball player. That was in his blood, and if you read Game of Shadows, you know what an ace this kid was simply coming out of Middle school. But he cheated, and rode the glory train all the way to the bank. Bad attitude aside, he cheated, and got the glory for it. Bonds' mentality from being a child to an MLB star is something as follows... " I'm Bobby Bonds son, I was always able to do what I want, I am the best baseball player alive,I am rich, My dad was a bad father so it's never going to be my fault, I can cheat, and f-you because I can get away with it" Unnacceptable... if every model went on TV and said " I look this amazingly breathtaking because I did cocaine, and now I am famous and rich" do you think they would be praised like Bonds? it's not about the sport anymore with this, it's about being a Man, and not tarnishing the image of America's sport. Do I think he is a great baseball player yes- do I think he should quit because he's a cheater scumbag... absolutely. Macguire on the otherhand, guily... but quit the sport, bowed out, somewhat gracefully. He keeps his cheating mouth shut! I have more respect for him than Bonds!

Fuck them both!

They both took roids and possibly HGH as well. Athletes have been taking ergogenic aides for as long as anyone can remember. As far as being caught the testing facilities have always been playing catchup. Untill Trevor Graham sent in a used syringe we could not test for THG. That was the steroid everyone was taking and passing all tests with. As far as lifting goes physiologicaly speaking the human body can gain 15lbs of musle per year thats it! And that requires an all year round extensive weight regime. Last steroids were not illegal till after 2002 season.

Mcgwire didnt use steroids. bonds did, but blew up from being 140lbs soaking wet and hardly hitting 20 hrs a year. Mcqwire hit 49 homeruns as a rookie, and also didnt play the last game of the year on the account of his son being born. He was always a thick guy with a large 6'5 frame. Some people like to just rip apart other peoples accomplishments and talents. and the author of the article is way off when he decribes mcqwires arms as being smaller than the bat in his 1990 card.

People are forgetting your prime is 28 to 33. These guys peaked way after that, no body is supposed to do that.

It's all the Bonds suck up in San Fran that are making excuses for this lying cheating POS.

I think we should do this with a "normal" baseball player and see how different they look over the years. Well then again, who IS a normal baseball player?

this shit is all ridiculous. the more you morons buy into it the more we hear about it. who cares what they did and what they didn't do. this shit is so stupid, all the time wasted to make this comparision, and then all of the dumbasses to reply to who is juicing better.......get some lives you nerdy fucks!!!!

I honestly think most of you are taking this a bit too far... OUR analysis of what did or did not happen is unimportant. All most of you have accomplished is to bash everyone else's comments without actually considering them (most are just OPINIONS), and then call them "idiots" and the like. Well played...

I did see one comment that I agreed with though. Whether or not the use of roids is acceptable or not, whether or not baseball is improved or ruined by this, sure, go ahead and debate that, but it's pointless to debate whether or not they did use the stuff. When proof comes out whether they did or did not knowingly use roids(speaking more on Bonds's story), then there will be reason to discuss it.

I also am tempted to believe that it IS possible for players to have career years past their "prime." Many of them really don't fit the description we apply to Bonds and Mac (One example that comes to mind would be Jamie Moyer. He STILL looks older and weaker, but he also won 20 games recently). People DO gain muscle if they apply themselves to it. I've seen a friend go from "scrawny and wiry" to "buff" just by joining the military, and the changes were that noticable within about 9 months. If the training regimen is right, I don't doubt that someone could gain that much legitimate muscle.

As for the better "roider" I'm inclined to say Bonds only because Mac had a more stunning CAREER, rather than a stunning few years. Not many people would go from stealing 40-50 bases to hitting 70 HR's just because they can. =D

Take it easy!

Why is it that we blast Bonds and not McGwire? Oh, they didn't test when McGwire was playing. Well, um, steroids were still illegal in the UNITED STATES!!! Oh, they didn't test, so McGwire did nothing wrong. Yes he did, he should be in jail. Along with all the others, Giambi, Canseco, Bonds, etc. etc. etc. the list goes on and on. Now, the question of who did it better? I think Bonds did because why did McGwire even do it? He hit 49 in his ROOKIE season! Who in their right minds thinks that's not good enough for your first year in the bigs? If BigMac didn't do 'roids, he might be ending his career right along side Barry. And if McGwire didn't do 'roids, then Bonds wouldn't have done roids, then we wouldn't be here talking about this. I don't blame Canseco, I blame McGwire because how do you say 40-50 homers every year isn't good enough. I need to take something to make me better but not play as long.

40-40 Club. Gold gloves. Left field vs. 1st base. 21 Seasons vs. 14 Seasons. 2nd place all time extra base hits. 700 HRs 500 SBs. I don't care what anyone says, Barry Bonds is still the greatest player in the modern "live ball" era. Just think how many pitches were juicing. Like: "Hey I can get my fastball from 91 to 96! Yea!". Barry still has the best hand eye coordination and overall eye for the ball than anyone I have ever seen. Just look at his walk to K ration compared to Mac's. Oh yeah 1st basemen will never be as respected as players as every other spot on the field, because 1st base is the bitch of the yard.

Remember when Lenny Dykstra showed up one year twice as big? Lots of these guys used steroids. Too bad for Bonds, because any legacy he has is now questioned.

you should have included sosa too, that guy blew up

if you look at the very first two pictures of each player and the very last two pictures of each player, its clear that big mac was always kind of a stout, big guy. and bonds was a stick figure. The roids helped bonds a tremendous amount more than mac simply from those pictures.

So if they wern't outlawed by major league baseball, but illegal to use in the UNITED STATES OF FREAKING AMERICA it was ok that they juiced? How's that for flawed logic...buncha dipshits!

I was a wiry kid who was very athletic for many years. At age 29, I started to put on bulk. My head is larger than it was at 20, and my parents thought I was jucing. I think the real epidemic is Genetically Engineered foods and growth hormones in Meat. I'm a big meat eater, and I bet you'll see a comparison in the amount of legistlation that allowed that crap into our (american) food supply which coincides with Bonds increase in size. Oh btw, I was 29 in 2001.

You sound like a big meat eater! You guys realize that athletes wear nut cups, so quit comparing their packages. Maybe you and the meat eater should get together. Cheaters Suck, way to be upstanding role models for all the kids that look up to you. Nice job of turning your profession into a joke and making most people not give 2 shits about your stupid game. If baseball wants its honor back, they should be thrown out of baseball and all stats erased from the books.

The only thing is, show me one player who didn't get bigger and stronger since his rookie year.

Um, Mark Belanger.

Alfonso Soriano

Who gives a shit

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Mark McGwire hit 49 home runs in 1987, the year the ball was juiced. How come nobody mentions that. He never hit that many again until he blew up. McGwire gained 30 lbs from 91-92. If you guys don't think McGwire used steroids or hGH you are idiots. Whats the difference betwen Bonds going from 185- 230 and Mcgwire going 225 to 270 lbs. THEY BOTH JUICED!!!

i dont think that any professional athlete would use steroids because they know it is wrong and that kids look up to them so they have a lot of responsibility. and they are honest people, even if bonds is black.

Give it back to maris is all I have to say. Sign the petition at www.giveitbacktomaris.com

MAC NEVER GOT CAUGHT. LEAVE HIS ASS ALONE AND BE HAPPY WE STILL HAVE BASEBALL. AS FOR BARRY...ENJOY THE STRETCH, BUDDY.

McGwire was good for baseball...he was a good man and a class act in my opinion...i watched a video in 96 about the good hitters in the mlb of the day...there was a segment on Mac and he looked at pics of himself a year before and then his trainers showed the excercise regimine that they put him through to get bigger, as well as the diet plan...I used the same plan and its legit...I know that you all will put this down but the right workout plan and eating the right proteins in your diet work wonders...I gained 18 pounds of muscle in a little more than 1 year...if your dedicated it can work...even if he did use steroids i still like mcgwire better than bonds because hey, he came before senate, and during his career was he the nasty, angry elbow armor wearing loser that Barry Bonds is...Mac is a good father to his kid and he was my idol during that historic season (he still is for the way he held himself during his career)...Barry...id like a shot at his black ass

if you ask me i say the best hitter ever was cecil fielder...3 homers over the roof in the old detroit stadium...cant top that...and by the way "giveitbacktoMaris.com" is just a clever ploy for yankee fans to make money off of one of their own...cannibals...selling shirts and jerseys 22 bucks a pop...i bet georgie gets a cut of that huh? And Maris doesnt deserve it anyway for his extensive use of lsd and his combinations of horse sedatives and whale testosterone

and apparently somebody wants all these guys in jail, and thinks mcgwire should be in trouble with barry now...first this is baseball not life so suggesting jail time makes you sound a bit crazy...and Mac was a lot nicer to deal with than Barry...mcgwire doesnt refer to himself in the third person at times like Mr. Bonds (hmm...a certain mr. tyson comes to mind when third person is brought up), and did he call his career of making millions of dollars to play the game he loves an "everyday struggle" (bonds's words)? No he called it a "blessing" and he was "thankful for the job." and mac can deal with the media...unlike barry...

as you can see i take the side of fanatic #71

Yes, they both 'roided succesfully. As have many others. Let us learn from the troubles they brought upon their own heads...if that's not enough fun for you, mac has always been a big dude (and i'm speaking generally, having no specific reigonal knowledge) while barry actually put in more work to gain such a large percentage of muscle (it still takes work in the weight room, e.g., Giambi, Palmero)

What are you kidding me? McGwire was like a stick in his rookie year. Now like at him, he's a 100-foot tree. Barry Bonds looks the same to me from 1986 - 2004. Why didn't he look the same in 2005? Because he had a serious knee injury and he couldn't work out which caused him to gain weight. I mean, come on, give Bonds some credibility! The guy took steroids to repair his damaged knee. You can take steroids legally to repair damaged body parts, and that's what happened. That's why Bonds gained weight. He couldn't work out which then caused him to gain weight. Barry looks the same in all the cards from his rookie year 1986 to 2004. Barry Bonds was a lean shrimp. He grew because, man, if you get hit by a baseball only weighing 100-something pounds. Wow, how devastating it would be? Don't you think? McGwire roided em up WAY, WAY, WAY better than Bonds will ever. That's why BIG Mac left baseball. To not be investigated. Bonds is staying to break Aaron's record because he knows he did nothing wrong. Enough said

barry bonds is a stupid nigger and thats all there is to it...yay white people

barry bonds is a stupid nigger and thats all there is to it...yay white people

yea pretty much

T0 #75: Wow . . . just . . Wow . . go die in a hole somewhere. As far as the cards. Bonds transformation was rather quick, while McGwire's was over a much longer time frame and could actually be from good training through the years (not that I'm saying that's so). What I think many people forget is that until January of 2005 there were actually about a dozen legal steroids that weren't on the banned list. Andro, 1-methyl-test (i think) and many others. These guys could have actually used legal supplements to make their gains. I tend to think Bonds used/uses the Balco products while it's very likely McGwire was just using the steroids you could so recently buy at GNC.

yay white people, lets be idiots with over-elevated and misdirected compensations for a severe lack of self esteem forever! no firm basis in reality can stop us now! don't let yourself be bogged down by the mentally tiresome inconvenience of judging humans on the basis of their actions, WE KNOW BETTER! by the way moron, way to enter your comment twice. no, you're not the stupid one though.

oooh harry he called you a moron...too bad...the fact that anyone actually reads and comments these things for real is pathetic...go out and play the sport instead of sitting at home wacking off to the baseball encyclopedia...and can we help it if the white mark mcgwire is a better person than the black barry??? personally i think this is hilarious so keep the insults rolling pleeeeease!!!

The main thing is, both McGwire and Barry Bonds have disgraced themselves and the game of baseball. Think of the example they set for kids. It's awful. Get the full story at www.BoycottBarry.com

"the fact that anyone actually reads and comments these things for real is pathetic" who said anything about for real? but of course if it were, I'd probably point out the ironicy (is that a word?) of your first-person statement. I would also probably not point out that you are certainly correct in acknowledgement of the two individuals' personalities. poopy head.

I dont like baseball so i dont really care and I like to know if you like men because it sounds like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your dig at Donruss baseball cards is priceless!

You people should all feel ashamed. Steroids are not a joke. They cause a multitude of illnesses including heart disease and most dangerously cancer of the…well, cancer of the ‘everything.’

These two men have risked their health and their lives to get ridiculously huge just so that they could hit homeruns day after day to entertain the rest of us regular sized humans. We should be thanking them for putting their bodies and lives into such danger simply for our public enjoyment (and a few million dollars.) Mark and Barry will be long dead, trading ‘roid rage stories in heaven with Lyle Alzado and Ken Camniti, while the rest of us get to play with our grandchildren and reminisce about the year we watched him hit 74 home runs. Thanks for the memories guys. Matthew Guski

Chicago, IL

Barry roided it up big time between 1999 and 2000. I give props to Mark for doing roids for a long time. Look where it got both of them. I wish I was that fuckin big.

Barry is retarded! He should kill himself. and Mark should slit his throat.

The main thing roids did for Mcwire was keep him in the game longer. The amount of size he put on isn't hard for someone with a 6'5 frame. Anyone with average genetics can do that in a few years. I'm 6'0 and skeletal, and still went from 150 to 185 in one year. I've done it drug free, trainer-free, and pretty much clue-free. Bonds seems to have gotten bigger than his genetic potential would allow, but Mcgwire could have gotten close to that size drug-free. He's not a monster by any standard. Check out Jay Cutler if you want to see REAL steroid abuse. I think the juice just kept Mcgwire at full size when age would have otherwise started robbing him of muscle and adding fat. You start losing 10% of your muscle mass every decade at 30, but steroids can completely prevent that (Ronnie Coleman was the most muscular man alive in the 2005 Olympia, and he was almost 42). As for his maximum size, getting that big with a 6'5 frame, years of training, good trainers and nutrition is really nothing special. I don't think steroids really added much to his physical potential, they just extended it longer and let him continue developing the cognition you need to hit a 95 mph fastball dead-center.

Man...I just happened upon this while researching some info on Bonds. I can't believe that mature intelligent men can mostly believe the worse. Anyone can gain size and weight from weight training and bodybuilding. I find it so funny when different sources show pictures of players when they were young up until the present. As if they are not supposed to change. Wake the fuck up! Get a life. Get off your fat asses and do some exercise. You can tell the ones that jump on the bandwagon against these guys are geeks and fat. Also, they are obviously not intelligent enough to make up there own mind, but just follow the easiest route like a sheep would. I use to be 5'11" and 155 pounds at 18. Started lifting weights and eating a lot more and within a year I was 20 pounds heavier with muscle. I eventually took it a lot more serious and started bodybuilding. This was when I was 24. By the time I was 25 I weighed 225 and was in great shape. I stayed that size for a few years then decided to lean out. I am now 40, 185 and cut. I have never touched any kind of drug in my life. Anyone who had worked out with any consistency knows that hard work and eating right is all it takes. As for the fat lazy fucks out there who like to bitch because they can't get any attention, go take some roids, because that is the only way YOU! will ever be anything remotely close to an athlete. Leave these guys alone and stop being jealous. I don't even care if they did take anything. Fact is they have entertained us for years and that is all that should matter. If they did take something, then so did 90% of the rest of baseball players. Soon you will not be alowed to play or be fined because you took your vitamins that morning or you drank a healthy shake. God forbid if you actually exercised more than someone else. You may be suspended. Stupid fucking world we live in. Bonds is the best ever, hands down, with the possible exception of Babe Ruth, because he could also pitch.....but who knows what he was taking.........

I think people need to look at the facts. At 20 years old I was 6'2" at 175 lbs. I started working out, amateur bodybuilding, but I NEVER touched anything AT ALL that dealt with steroids, andro, hgh, or even natural supplements that boost testosterone. I am now 26, and I weigh 220, all muscle, 7% bodyfat. 18" arms. That is 45 lbs in 6 years! I take things like creatine, glutamine, whey protein, and eat good. Chicken, good clean food.. eggs, etc.. no junk food, soda, etc. AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING 6 YEARS! You are comparing an 18 year old rookie's physique to his physique 20 years later! 20!!!!! Even though the male testosterone level peaks at age 26, your muscle maturity increases until about 33-35. (When most bodybuilders peak out).. And you can NATURALLY build muscle until about age 45. So, quit being wusses and hit the gym. Not saying they didn't use steroids to take the easy way out, I'm just sayin that is it VERY VERY possible to put that kind of weight on without the use of drugs. I did it! And these guys have WAY better trainers than I could ever pay for.

I agree anon #85 and anon #86. People don't realize that hard work in the gym can gain this kind of muscle, without drugs. They write it off as being steroid use, just so the fat monkeys feel better about themselves. Visit my "Natural Anabolic" website http://www.natabolic.com to save money on natural supplements can put on the SAME amount of muscle that McGwire and Bonds put on. http://www.natabolic.com

"There are people in this world whose sole purpose is to try and figure out ways on how to undermine the accomplishments of others." nuff said.

SO TRUE #87....SO TRUE.

I agree that hard work in the gym can show big results. From 28 to 30 years old I went from 185 to 235 Lbs lifting weights, and my only supllement was protein powder.

I don't care who started roiding first. Bonds is an A-hole with an attitude.

Wait a minute, I was doing a search on steroids and now I find out that people still pay attention to baseball! I thought that shit died with disco and other faggoty endeavors.

#89, If the media was breathing down your neck every minute of every day. Especially some reporter who has NO idea what steroids even DO or how they even work, you would be arrogant too. They need to back off. Barry Bonds is the best baseball player to ever live. I totally agree with the comments left by people that made points that putting on muscle comes easy if you are NOT lazy, drink coffee, alcohol and eat big macs, fries, and potato chips all day. And actually dedicate yourself to lifting some weights and caring about your body. But, we don't live in that world. So go ahead guys.. continue to get your energy every morning from human gas stations like Starbucks, because it's EASIER. Continue to eat crap from fast food restaurants for lunch, because it tastes "good" and it's EASIER.. ...and continue to go out every friday night and ingest alcohol into your body because you've "had a bad week at work".. and it's EASIER to just TEMPORARILY forget.. OH!! and don't forget!!! Continue to envy Barry Bonds, and shame him for steroid use, so you can justify his success when compared to your own.. because he can do something that you can't and will NEVER do. It's EASIER.. right?

Anonymous Fanatic #79 is a racist.

Bonds never failed a drug test. I guess it's guilty until proven innocent? :/

Bonds is successful and people that are nothing and never will be anything will hate him and anyone that succeeds. That's sad. There's no concrete evidence that Bonds did anything. So, sit back and watch the game or don't watch it.

You can do the same thing with Cal Ripken's cards. Most people get naturally bigger when they age, particularly in their mid to lat 30's

I commend you on the work you did with the baseball cards.

I run a baseball card blog and would like to add a link to your article, if it is ok.

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I am the Home Run King now Jack Haters! - BB

Barry Bonds weight in 1995, 185. Bonds weight in 2001, 228. A difference of 43 pounds. In six years his head also grew two inches. McGwire weight in 1992, 225. McGwire weight in 1996, 250. Difference of 25 pounds with no hat size change. Bonds is 6'01", McGwire is 6'05". Bonds change was much more dramatic, and he went from a speed guy to a home run guy 11 years into his career. McGwire was always a power hitter. Did McGwire juice? Probably. Did Bonds juice? Absolutely.

To anyone who opposes Bonds, McGwire and Sosa, go to giveitbacktoMaris.com. But, I write this as a message only to those who want ALL Steroid Era sluggers to have their numbers erased. No offense to others, though.

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