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Yankees lost because of PITCHING, not AROD

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by user Joebook

I've heard the moniker of "best offensive lineup ever" thrown at the Yankees all too much in the last few months. While that might be true, baseball experts shouldn't be surprised that they will watch the ALCS, instead of altering the offensive record book.

A quick look at the pitching numbers of the Yankees reveals a lot. Their team ERA for the season was 4.43 and teams hit .262 against them. I don't care if your team averages 11 runs per game, you will have games of small scoring, and with a pitching staff that can't get guys out, you will lose. That's what happened against Detroit. They scored three runs in Game 4, which has been enough to win other playoff games. The fact is, their staff was no good.

Of the six main guys that started games for them, only two had an ERA under 4.49. Randy Johnson turned in a 5.00 and Shawn Chacon gave them 11 starts with an ERA of 7.00.

They had several good pitchers out of the bullpen, including All-Everything Mariano Rivera, but even that wasn't enough to save the staff. Without Rivera and the numbers of Scott Proctor, who pitched 102 innings in relief, the stats would be much worse. Take away Rivera's 1.80 and Proctor's 3.52 from the season totals and the Yankee ERA balloons to 4.66... that's just two pitchers.

Everyone talks about the money thrown at AROD, Jeter, etc. Why did the Yankees ignore their pitching needs until the trade deadline, then acquire Cory Lidle, who didn't even start in the playoff series? Maybe trading AROD wouldn't hurt them, if they can get two good pitchers out of the deal.

I'm just saying that the talk has been entirely about the offensive lineup, when everyone should be pointing the fingers at the arms.

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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1148 days ago
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I said all year the Yankee bullpen was a bit poor. Other than Mussina and the guys you mention, there isn't a lot of quality. I would trade A-Rod for a proper 3B and a pitcher, and look to trade one of the outfielders. With Abreu, Sheffield, Matsui and someone else whose name escapes me all in the outfield, one of them may as well go. Get a good fielding 1B and pitcher, and move Giambi to DH. Easy :)
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1148 days ago
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Johnny Damon is the name that escapes you... I don't know that Sheffield will have a huge place on the team next year. He's 38 and can't play the outfield effectively anymore. He might platoon at 1B/DH, but he won't get 500AB.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1148 days ago
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Yeah... So trade him to the Royals or something... As long as you get a quality pitcher back for him. So maybe you need to aim higher than the Royals! He'll have to go to the AL so he can play as a DH, but you could get something worthwhile back for him.
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1148 days ago
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plus, with 455 career HR, he needs two healthy seasons to get to 500, which is always a great PR train for some team
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1148 days ago
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TWO seasons?
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1147 days ago
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I don't see him hitting 45 in one year...
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EnyboDiv-I Stud
1147 days ago
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They would have to pick up Sheffs option to trade him. I see them letting him go and him catching a ride with Boston.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1147 days ago
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A-Rod's had more than 45 in a season FOUR times before...
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1147 days ago
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manny -- I was talking about Sheff...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1147 days ago
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oh shit, my bad.... well, he can go take some EXTRA HGH this offseason and go for 74...
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Srtellis4585JV Squad
1148 days ago
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Not to mention, they blew a 3-1 lead at Yankee Stadium in game 2.

Game 3, yeah, if you don't score, you're not going to win...so that's not totally on the pitching staff.

But, that's still 2 out of 3 losses that can be blamed on pitching.
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1146 days ago
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well said... I believe there were others in the series that were awful.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1148 days ago
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They lost because of pitching AND A-Rod, and Damon, and Matsui, and Giambi, etc, etc. They lost because they played a team better than them.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1147 days ago
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They lost because A-Rod can't pitch. Whatta bum.
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WeinbdaSoccer Kid
1147 days ago
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Uhh... call me crazy, but spending $25,680,727 on a guy who goes 1-for-14 in a playoff series is a big problem. Maybe there are other problems, but the ship/team/business model is taking on a lot of water with that one. And for the record, Ex-Yankee Marcus Thames, who was 3-for-4 in PIVOTAL GAME 2, WHICH PROBABLY DETERMINED THE SERIES made $342,000 this year, or about 75 times less than A-Rod. But lets not focus on that-- that would be nuts.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1147 days ago
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Ex-Yankee/scapegoat Kenny Rogers...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1146 days ago
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BTW... according to the bottom right of this page, A-Rod was paid 21mil, not 26mil... he got 26 mil last year due to MVP bonus, escalators and kickers... Let's see that's less than $2mil more than Jeter, Giambi AND Mussina EACH... yet we never bring THOSE contracts up...
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1146 days ago
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How much of which is being paid by texas - $10-15 mil, I think. You can't fault the yanks for mistakes the rangers made on that deal.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1146 days ago
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yankees are only paying a-hole 16MM/year rest is all texas. they should move a-hole fast, his value is sinking!!!!
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