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YOU'VE GOTTA READ THIS!!!!!!!!! HURRY!!!!!!!

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by 49erminer

OSU COACH VS. OK COLUMNIST

JOURNALISM 101

  1. - MAKE SURE YOUR SOURCE IS CREDIBLE.
  2. - SEE #1

This was CLEARLY violated by Jenni Carlson. Since Jenni clearly admitted in her interview that columns are “opinions” than here’s mine.

In case you’ve been hiding under a rock, go to You Tube and check out Coach Mike Gundy from Saturday. Then check out his video from Monday. The columnist (NOT REPORTER), Jenni Carlson wrote an “non-factual opinion” (though she “claims” otherwise) about the benching of one Bobby Reid. Bobby is the quarterback of the Oklahoma State University Cowboys. The head coach Mike Gundy of OSU blasted her for it after Saturday‘s VICTORY! While you’re watching it, form your own “opinion” and note your own “observations“. After all, I have.

When a columnist is writing its an opinion. Jenni clearly stated that. However, she “claims” from “sources & observations” that her article is fact - well, which is it Ms. Hypocrite? She went with her gut instincts, which is something most reporters do - she isn’t one. But in this case, it seems that she wanted to pretend to be one and her gut has been put in check. The bigger problem is her response article to the world wide media. It clearly states “cited sources“ in the article, guess what - there isn’t ONE! If she were a movie reviewer, how could I consider her opinion on a film without credible sources? Did she even watch the movie?? She would suck at that job. So why would she try to be a reporter here???

So, her opinion is written in Saturday’s paper WITHOUT credible sources and WITHOUT interviewing Bobby Reid or Coach Mike Gundy. So where did she get her info? - Oh yeah that’s right - “observations”.

So, it happens all the time in pro football. A guy has a bad game and is yanked, and who knows, might be because of “personal” reasons that he might be having issues. And for a college player, there’s the 100% chance of stress added due to all of the tests and reports that need to be done.

A college athlete is NOT a professional. Jenni’s idea that a fourth year player leans more to being a professional and should be subject to the world. WRONG! Just another “opinion” of Jenni’s. If you don’t make the money, honey, then you’re NOT a pro - you’re still an amateur NO matter how you look at it. Way to go genius!

Jenni is right though. Bobby Reid is a 21 year old man. A man. A man who can speak and talk and walk just like everyone else. So again, WHY didn’t she interview him and gets the ACTUAL facts that she was looking to write about??? Hmmm???

I wonder what Coach Mike Gundy would have said if “he was better prepared”. Those 3 minutes must have seemed to be a lifetime to every reporter in that room. If he had more material I think Jenni Carlson would be fired. I also think that it was the Senior Editor of the Oklahoman that secretly contacted Coach Gundy and asking him to “let it go”. (Just an “observation” Jenni). Jenni doesn’t want to read between the lines though, and keeps insisting for Coach Gundy to point out the ¾ that were wrong. Again, if he does, she’s out of a job. Bet the bottom line on that one folks.

In a responding interview on the Oklahoman website, Jenni can be seen with the sports editor Mike Sherman and the excuse that Jenni and the others write their “opinions” base on what they have. Jenni also keeps trying to make sure she adds “sources” into her responses. She said that she put that story together based on info they had - (not credible apparently) and needs Mike to bail her out on this one. Apparently it looks like Jenni got her hand slapped and the Oklahoman knows they’re in trouble. Why else would she need backup?

In closing, as the rest of the media and some of America are now laughing at Jenni, she will become the most infamous columnist in all of the land for at least the next week or so, then she’ll be that columnist that the coach yelled at. So Jenni, I know you have the right to free speech - keep it up & oh yeah, stick by those facts, I mean “observations” and good luck with the rest of your journalistic career.

George Grayshaw,

Waterford, Michigan


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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
800 days ago
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Go figure that Jay Mariotti would rip Gundy for telling the truth over the current state of affairs of so-called journalism. Excellent article.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
800 days ago
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I thought that by now we'd realize that the #1 job of any media member or organization is to attract attention, not be a defender of journalistic integrity.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
800 days ago
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Case in point, the title of this article really isn't that informative about its content, but it is an attention grabber.
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Simms1156Div-I Stud
800 days ago
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why did you post this twice?
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49erminerWaterboy
800 days ago
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as Rawbeezeitz said - needed an attention getter headline for more folks to read it. Right? And its a dam good opinion I thought. Especially since I did email this exact article right to Jenni herself! And the whole Oklahoman Staff. (mainly editors though)
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CheezerAll-Star
800 days ago
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In the future, you can put a new headline onto an article by opening the page history and "moving" the article into the new title.
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49erminerWaterboy
800 days ago
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I also submitted this to Mike & Mike of ESPN, all 3 major sports talk shows in the Metro Detroit and Cleveland area's. I'm emailing this to the NY,LA & Chicago area's next. Plus the OK sports shows. Ballzy huh? I'm up for it though.
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JuTMSY4Legend
800 days ago
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While I admire your moxy, its not really ballzy...I mean...i sent an email to gene wojozchwoski (however you spell it) calling him retarded...

Personally, you need to give the article a real title...so we know what its about...i only commented because i read others comments and not the article...

FYI, Wojo responded
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
800 days ago
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Sending e-mails is hardly ever ballsy. I once sent an e-mail to Michael Moore about why I felt his movies were garbage (aesthetically, politically, logically, and ethically). That wasn't ballsy. Now when I was in high school, before the biggest game of the season, I walked up to the opposing team's best player, a giant linebacker that was going to Notre Dame (Willingham's Notre Dame), and told this beast "You take it in the ass, bitch." THAT was ballsy.
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JuTMSY4Legend
800 days ago
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Plus, all major sports networks are all over this...

What i found annoying was how all reporters sided with the writer (obviously)...and proceeded to rip gundy...

I admire any coach that sticks up for his players, regardless of whether its right or wrong, needed or not, polite or impolite

Plus, of all things i heard, this made the most sense...how many people wanna play for Gundy now...and how do his current players feel about him?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
800 days ago
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Sports Personnel vs F-tarded Media Round 1
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49erminerWaterboy
800 days ago
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thats cool that wojo responded. bet it wasnt pretty though LOL
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49erminerWaterboy
800 days ago
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if I had a kid going into college - I'd send him to this guy Gundy - thats for dam sure!
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KelsdadAll-Star
800 days ago
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Funny thing, she's right.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
800 days ago
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An unsubstantiated non-existent source confirms that ESPN is locking her into a long term deal on Around The Horn.
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Gav76Div-I Stud
800 days ago
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Well, you know, sometimes the real story just isn't worthy of reporting. That's where the added "observations" and accidentally omitted sources come in to save the day...
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IbeargRed-Shirting
800 days ago
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Mike Gundy might be "right" i don't know nor do i really care... he's still an idiot for reacting this way. You're a professional, if someone else isn't that doesn't excuse you from losing your head this way. He could have gotten all the same points across without yelling and looking like a fool. After all... "he's a man! He's 40 years old!"
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49erminerWaterboy
800 days ago
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WOW - we're all smart asses aren't we. LOL.
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Silencer76AAA-er
800 days ago
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Why is he an idiot for vehemently denouncing a) bad journalism and b) the ripping of a player that is a member of HIS club? I think Gundy should be commended for taking a proactive stance instead of sitting on his hands like so many other half assed coaches in college sports.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
800 days ago
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He also showed his players and any future players, that he'll stand up for them.
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Taytay 24All-American
800 days ago
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I agree with Ibearg and Kelsdad, above. Being in Australia, I haven't been immersed in this the past few days like the rest of you, but I've watched the video and read both of her columns, pre- and post-tirade, and I fail to see what she did wrong. How exactly is she guilty of bad journalism? In spite of her requests, Gundy has yet to identify one part of her story that is "fiction", much less three fourths as he claimed.

Gundy may be commended for standing up for his players, but his method makes him look like a fool. And just because he can stand up for his player doesn't mean that Carlson was wrong.

Meanwhile, I found it very funny when Gundy said, "ff you want to go after an athlete, one of my athletes, you go after one that doesn't do the right things!" Perhaps a bit too honest?
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Okcmedic5806Soccer Kid
800 days ago
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I feel as if Ms. Carlson didn't have a story, and needed one. She is guilty for verbally assulting a college kid that is "doing nothing wrong". Now, this wouldn't be an issue if she would have written an opinion based on 100% truth and not 25%. Taytay, every team has bad apples. When Gundy took over as Head Coach, he released several players, that Les Miles had on the team, due to them not doing the "right things". My opinion, by observation is that if Bobby would have actually done something wrong, and Jenni wrote about that, Gundy wouldn't have gone off on her.
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Taytay 24All-American
800 days ago
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Question the ethics of writing about a college player if you want (I personally don't and would hardly classify her column as a verbal assault), but what did she say that was factually wrong?
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Okcmedic5806Soccer Kid
799 days ago
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Well, since I do not have the fake sources that Ms. Carlson has, I could not tell you what I do not know. I do know that Bobby Reids mother did an interview with a news station in Houston, and she said that the statement that she was feeding her son chicken out of a box, and that he wants to be cuddled was an absolute lie. Hey, I think we should trust the person that had to have a story or she wouldnt have a pay check. I do not care about someone writing about a college player, as long as they write about facts, and not just make a story out of nothing. If she wants to write fake stories, she might put her application in at the The Onion, they may need another writer.
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Taytay 24All-American
799 days ago
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Again with the allegations of "fake" sources with no justification. What did she say that was incorrect? Reid was benched right? If her reasoning is wrong, then why did the coaching staff bench him?

And as J Cunningham said in his article, Carlson is a columnist. Her job is to write her opinion. You don't have to like it.

Having said that, I thought the chicken feeding comment perhaps crossed the line, but I also thought it was irrelevant to her story. Judging from these two articles, Carlson is a very average writer, but so far, her facts stand.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
799 days ago
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According to who? Just asking.
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Taytay 24All-American
799 days ago
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What part are you referring to when you say "according to who?" I'll assume the facts standing part. If it was approved by her editor, then I'll roll with it until I have a reason not to. Is what she said really that unbelievable?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
799 days ago
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You have a lot of faith in that editor. I will re-read the column in question before further comment.
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Silencer76AAA-er
799 days ago
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Considering the state of the news media and the "editors" that have let things stand in previous years (ie Jason Blair), how can you judge that her facts stand, especially when , as you clearly admitted, you a) live in Australia, and b) have not been as immersed in this story as those of us that live in the States?
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Taytay 24All-American
799 days ago
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Well, there's this little thing called the internet (if you are reading this, you are on it right now) that allows people all over the world, with the aid of a computer, to access news, stories, audio clips and even video. It's really pretty handy. Even works in Australia. Until evidence to the contrary is presented, I will give Carlson and her editor the benefit of the doubt that they did their jobs. As I have said before, is her story really that far-fetched?
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49erminerWaterboy
798 days ago
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Her facts dont stand in this hurricane honey = quit chick backin! The bia bia is wrong and her boss has to cover her butt by coming on the rebuttle interview with her and back her up because they know they're WRONG.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
798 days ago
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The burden of proof is upon the journalist, NOT the subject.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
798 days ago
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If Gundy contends her story is wrong, and it he wants his version of the truth to be known, then the burden of proof does lie with him.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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AF#1 is me.
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Silencer76AAA-er
799 days ago
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Hell, make sure you DO read this article TayTay

http://www.k.../290829.html

First, she never even spoke with Reid. There are quotes attributed to what he supposedly said to other people at the Oklahoman. Then there are the ever popular "Thing is, it may not be as abrupt as it looks. If you believe the rumors and the rumblings, Reid has been pushing coaches that way for quite some time.

Tile up the back stories told on the sly over the past few years, and you see a pattern that hasn't always been pretty."

Told on the sly? This is how writers try to substantiate their articles?

One last thing...there was an interview conducted with Bobby Reid's mother, who disputed Carlson's "facts," and which she has not commented on.

http://abclo...p;id=5677281
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Taytay 24All-American
799 days ago
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She is a columnist--it is her job to write her opinion. She simply suggested why she thinks Reid was benched. Columnists write articles like this all the time. I honestly don't understand why everyone thinks this is such a big deal.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
799 days ago
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It is her job to write an INFORMED opinion.
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Silencer76AAA-er
798 days ago
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This is not the op/ed section of the paper...it is the sports section. You can't just write a bunch of garbage, have it clearly DISPROVEN, and then try to support her claims.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
798 days ago
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Of course you can--columnists write opinions in the sports page all the time. It's their job.

Tyrone--how do you know it wasn't informed?

Silencer--what was clearly disproven? Gundy said it wasn't true, but has yet to identify what.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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AF#1 is me.
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
799 days ago
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Lot of good points being made. But she has a right to free press. So she's not very good at writing.
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JuTMSY4Legend
799 days ago
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But Gundy has the right to freedom of speech...there's absolutely nothing wrong... Freedom of the press does not cover factual deficient writing...
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Silencer76AAA-er
799 days ago
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Free press is different from false reporting. If I go and publish an article for the paper I write for saying that the St. Louis Cardinals partake in gay orgies and enjoy sticking wine bottles up their asses, it does not protect me from getting shredded, torched, and potentially sued because of free press.
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JuTMSY4Legend
799 days ago
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coincidently, i had an interesting conversation with a university administrator the other day discussing the the University's rights...

Note that any time you make comments or write in a paper, you automatically become fair game for comment (namely about the topic you wrote about)...you are essentially waiving a right to privacy for that specific instance...

Therefore, Gundy getting on his soapbox is perfectly legit
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
799 days ago
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Gundy said absolutely nothing that nearly every coach thinks when interviewed by the press.

Whether you agree of disagree with what he said, at least it was an honest expression of opinion.

And far too often such moments of honesty (albeit controversial) tend to be scorned in a cookie cutter uber-PC moderated world.
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Okcmedic5806Soccer Kid
799 days ago
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I hope Ms. Carlson is reading this. I am going to give her the 25% of truth in her story. Bobby Reid is a quaterback and he does play at Oklahoma State. He was the starter, but now he is the backup. He was laughing with one of the coachs during one of the games, but as to what, we do not know. He was eating food at some point. Bobby does get nervous before games, we know that because he said it. He did have to compete against Donovan Woods his first year at Oklahoma state. I think that is about 25% of the story that was factual.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
799 days ago
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Well done! Actually, it seems to be pretty safe to now include the tidbit that Bobby eats chicken for lunch.
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49erminerWaterboy
798 days ago
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Nicely put! I wish I would have thought of that one, LOL. I'll get ya a beer for that!!
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
798 days ago
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I think we have made a strong case here, that Ms. Carlson isn't very good at her job.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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ArmchairGM 101 for all you new tikes: Most of us normally reserve the minuses for offensive, abusive or otherwise inappropriate comments. They are not typically used for well reasoned arguments that you happen to not agree with.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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Stay classy, San Diego.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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Thank you, sir, may I have another!
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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Minus this if you are a spineless minus troll.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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Minus this if you are a hypocrite who rips sports columnists for allegedly writing without "facts" yet you judge her with a similar lack of facts.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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Minus this if you don't even know what a sports columnist does.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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Hey, Tyrone, minus this one to keep padding that lead--this will be #1,116!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
798 days ago
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Not me. Go away.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
798 days ago
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But yeah, I think I will minus you for the accusation.
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JuTMSY4Legend
798 days ago
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uh...ditto
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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You're lying. I've been watching your minus tally go up each time. For all the complaining you do about getting minused, you sure dish it out at a record pace. But at least man up and be honest about it.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
798 days ago
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Read my private memo or I will Gundy your ass on this page. Another minus. Keep track. That is two from me.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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I've told you this before--you can't intimidate me. Thanks for the tissue, though.

You've been cool for a while now, but your inner troll is coming out again.

I don't care if you don't like my opinion, and I don't care if you minus me, just be honest. I watched your Bondsian Thumbs Down Given tally go up with each comment I made.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
798 days ago
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I don't what the hell you are ranting and raving about and you know what? I don't care. You are flying accusations around and accusing me of being a liar. Not cool dude.

Try and have a productive day without throwing people under the bus.

Minus Total from me to you today -3
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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Not ranting and raving, just rooting out the minus troll. Check the wording and language above to see who was ranting and raving. Have a nice day.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
798 days ago
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And falsely accusing people in the process.
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JuTMSY4Legend
798 days ago
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What the hell is going on here?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
798 days ago
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A certain jackass thinks I have nothing better to do than minus all his comments. Whatever. I'm not responding to his garbage and outright lies.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
798 days ago
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And to the minus troll out there - F*&@K You.
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Okcmedic5806Soccer Kid
798 days ago
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So is Taytay off his soap box? I mean, is he going to die if he has minus? I could care less if everything I posted here gets nothing but minus. Just seems like an stupid thing to be upset about. So Taytay, how does it make you feel when you get a minus? IT DOESNT MATTER HOW IT MAKES YOUR FEEL! Ok? Lets talk sports, or get out.
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Taytay 24All-American
798 days ago
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If it doesn't matter how it makes me feel, they why are you asking?
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Okcmedic5806Soccer Kid
798 days ago
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It's hard to do while typing, but it was suppose to be like me cutting you off as you started to reply, because it really does not matter. I do understand how you could not see that. Ok, now back to sports!
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Taytay 24All-American
797 days ago
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So that means you are off your soapbox now?
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