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Would anyone mind if Schilling left Boston?

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by MegECass110

I will always have a great amount of respect and admiration for what Curt Schilling did in 2004, for helping to bring a championship to Boston and putting on one of the greatest feats of athletic courage I've ever seen. I will always appreciate Schilling stepping out of the box and actually giving a strong opinion, instead of being a walking cliche (even though I may or may not agree with his opinions). His charity work with his wife has been fantastic. He's been an innings eater for Boston in his three years here. He is a free agent following this season.

It begs the question, do the Red Sox need Curt Schilling to be successful? Does Curt Schilling need the Red Sox, to be in a city where local athletes are revered and scrutinized?

First of all, I don't think the Red Sox need Curt Schilling. If Schilling leaves Boston via free agency, they could have a five man rotation in 2008 that goes like this:

Josh Beckett

Daisuke Matsuzaka

Jon Lester

Kason Gabbard

Clay Buchholz

Good grief.

Of course, there are a lot of ifs involved. Gabbard may be traded, the health of Lester (and everyone else, for that matter) is a primary concern, and Buchholz may or may not be ready for the bigs. Any five of those guys could be supplanted with Tim Wakefield. As it is, that is a very solid rotation. And you know what's flippin' sweet? Beckett is the oldest guy on this list. He's 27 years old. The Sox rotation could be very scary for years to come as it is constituted above.

In 2007, right now, the Sox have gone without Schilling for more than a month, and although they've played .500 ball, pitching isn't the reason why. The timely offense is the main reason they're scuffled a bit. They are now tops in the American League in ERA. Gabbard has been a pleasant surprise in his spot in the rotation. So, in sum, the Red Sox don't need Curt Schilling.

But does Curt Schilling need the Red Sox?

I'll preface this by saying I'm not a psychologist, I don't claim to be, these are just my observations. He thrived in 2004, taking the ace status away from Pedro and being the number one guy. He eats up every newspaper article written about him, doesn't shy away from criticism and takes on all comers. Schilling, with his big-game ability and big-time mouth, was made for the spotlight.

He's a competitor more than anything else. Although it may seem at times all he wants to do is make headlines, deep down, I think all he wants to do is win, more than anything else. He could care less about what people think of him. He exudes a confidence and an ego that is completely self-assured and self-aware of everything he does, every pitch that he makes.

That said, he needs to be in the right situation to be successful. Going to a team without a die-hard fan base, though it would create excitement among fans, wouldn't provide the big stage that Schilling craves. If he went to a place like Minnesota or Atlanta, he'd probably be second-fiddle to Johan Santana or John Smoltz, established guys who have helped to make the franchise what it is. Now if he went to a place like Chicago or ::gulps:: New York, they'd be handing him the key to the city in a heartbeat. And I don't think he'd have it any other way.

As I write, Gabbard is being his typical beastly self, given a 9-1 lead in the 5th. And Kei Igawful has surrendered 4 runs to the Royals to give the Yankees a 4-0 hole to climb out of. Life is good.

So, if Curt Schilling decides he wants to leave Boston, that will be okay with me. I tip my cap, say thank you for all he's done for the organization, and send him on his way. Take your opinions on Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, and whatever else you want to wax poetic about elsewhere. Boston has plenty of other things to talk about other than what you talk about.


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KelsdadAll-Star
883 days ago
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Certainly no one in Boston
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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About next year's rotation...

God, I hope that isn't it! Bucholz just moved up to AAA. Lester has 1 post cancer spot and already he's our #3? And Gabbard, well he just collapsed in Cleveland and has been pitching way over his head. I imagine we will add a veteran in there, or possibly shift Papelbon into the rotation.

As far as Schilling goes, we don't need him. We can spend the money on a better/younger pitcher. He can go try to find another team and be their #1, or become a Massachusetts Senator as a Republican (good luck either way, cuz neither will ever happen).
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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One post cancer start^
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MegECass110AAA-er
883 days ago
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Gabbard just collapsed because I jinxed him, clearly. Like I said, Lester's health and ability are of the foremost concern. Buchholz is still a question mark.

I know you were simply suggesting this, but Papelbon becoming a starter makes absolutely no sense. That's what they projected him to be, but that's not how the situation has panned out. He wants to close. He has the personality, the mentality and the stuff to be an elite closer for the next decade. Trying to make him a starter again is nuts.

Use the Schilling money to get veteran pitcher, or trade for a catcher. Jarrod Saltalalmacchia, this means you (if he doesn't go in the Teixiera deal). Varitek's contract runs out next year, he needs an heir apparent.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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Schilling - NY Yankee. And the beat goes on...
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MegECass110AAA-er
883 days ago
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That would not surprise me at all, to be honest.
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J CunninghamVarsity Captain
883 days ago
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What, New York overpaying for yet another pitcher over the age of 35? NO, not surprising at all. What surprises me is that Bob Cashman and George-y boy haven't yet figured out that doesn't work. Oh, well ... I won't tell them if you won't.
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SalmanpourVarsity
883 days ago
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Thats soo true, meg.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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One of the stupidest comments I've read this week.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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Really Insan? As though the Yankees do not have "a thing" for signing over the hill veteran pitchers.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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What did they do with Randy Johnson?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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Gave him several million per year to sit on the DL and recover so he can pitch better for another team. Randy sure appreciated the paid vacation. As did Kevin Brown.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Oh really? Because last time I checked he had a 3.79 ERA with the 05 Yankees and they dumped him in the 06 offseason. And where is he now currently as far as the roster is concerned Tyronne?
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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C'mon Tyronne, is this question too hard for you? Well let me fill you in since you nothing about baseball. He's on the DL. So obviously the Yanks were very smart in letting him go this past offseason. So what does this have to do with Schilling? There's no way the Yankees sign an over-the-hill pitcher who's been sitting on the DL. Johnson was a great pickup for the Yanks in '05 and the stats speak for themselves. Cashman is smart and he knows what he's doing. Your bogus claim that Yankees like to sign former all-stars that are too old now makes no sense. But nice try, hate usually doesn't do well in intelligent debates and arguments.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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The Yankees would sign Cy Young's corpse. And overpay as well. Very smart to let him go? Try very dumb bringing him on board in the first place. Great pickup? Did they win in 05?
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Yes they did, 95 times in fact. 17 of those belong to Johnson, who happened to have the best ERA of all the starting Yankee pitchers that season. That fact that you call signing someone that gives the team a 3.79 ERA just proves to me that you don't know what you're talking about.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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I don't care about individual statistics. I care about championships. Nothing more, nothing less. Thought you Yankee fans were all about winning in November, not July.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Winning in November? What is he winning in November? A free turkey? Since you don't know anything about baseball, let me educate you. Baseball isn't played in November. Don't worry you'll get it eventually, learning about a sport takes time. Randy has a history of pitching well in the postseason which was why he was signed by the Yanks. Who rocked the Yanks in the 2001 WS? I believe his name was Randy.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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Actually, most fans would prefer to win the last game of the baseball season - being the World Series. And yes, that that series tends to fall into the last weekend of October/early November. But go on ahead and remember the Randy of 01 beating the hell out of your beloved Yankees. Crabby aren't you after getting the hell kicked out of you by the almighty Royals last night, huh?
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Actually, the World Series wasn't play in November in '05 (which is what we're talking about), so what you said makes no sense. And yes, I'm remembering the beating the Yankees got by Randy in '01, but I don't hate on teams. That's how one would expand their knowledge of baseball so they can make intelligent comments. And no I'm not upset about last nights loss, everyone in Yankee nation expected to lose that game because Igawa was pitching, no surprise at all. And it's one loss. Here's another lesson, the baseball season has 162 games, so 1 game doesn't mean much especially when your team has been rocking everyone they faced for the past 2-3 weeks.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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This team ain't going on to the post season this year. And Steinbrenner overpays for what he receives on his returns.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Steinbrenner is a billionaire, he can do what he wants with his money. If he wants to pay Randy 20 mil or whatever then let him. Money is not the issue; the issue is performance by the player.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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Steinbrenner ridiculous spending has severely overinflated the value of the free agent market, especially of so-called veteran players.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Oh, I'm sure it's all Steinbrenner's fault. Nevermind the fact that GM's are paying over 100 mil to Japanese guys who never pitched in the majors or 40 mil to guys like Ted Lilly and Gil Meche. It must've been Steinbrenner who signed the biggest contract in baseball history to A-Rod. Sorry, I need to brush up my memory of past contracts. I thought they were done by other GM's when it fact it's been Steinbrenner all along.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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Steinbrenner set the trend before others such as Hicks. At least Rodriguez was signed to that stupid deal before hitting his prime.
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KelsdadAll-Star
882 days ago
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During Schilling's rant with Costas the other night he asked if he would ever consider pitching for the Yankees and he said unequivocably no. Because when he left Arizona the Yankees were his first choice and they weren't interested, he ended up with Boston to shove it up Steinbrenner's ass.
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NejoshiDiv-I Stud
883 days ago
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Schilling's postseason experience is invaluable. Only Beckett has had a taste of playoff baseball, and the rest of those guys could really use Schilling's presence during October.
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ShumaniaSoccer Kid
883 days ago
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I posted that same rotation in the article i wrote this week. I do not think they will use it next season but in 2 or 3 years it could be a possibility if they stay health and none of the 3 young guys get traded, which could happen as soon as tuesday I've been hearing. Please don't trade these guys just yet Theo!
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AngeHammJV Squad
883 days ago
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Schilling is valuable to the Red Sox as more than a spot in the rotation and an innings horse. He has loads of postseason experience, and is an important presence in the clubhouse. Losing Schilling would mean more than just losing his innings and strikeouts. He is a big psychological part of why the Red Sox have cast aside their also-ran persona of so many decades past.
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MegECass110AAA-er
883 days ago
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He is a big psychological part of the club, but he is not the identity of this team and is definitely not the only guy having a psychological impact. If you go back to 2004, Kevin Millar was the one who started the whole Cowboy Up thing. Guys like Josh Beckett, Kevin Youkilis and Jason Varitek have the same bulldog mentality Schilling has, they just choose to shut up and play baseball. Schilling probably played a large part in bringing that to the Red Sox.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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I think the Red Sox' plans for Clay Buchholz is a bullpen guy. They'll have to grab a pitcher in the off-season whether they keep Schilling or not. Wakefield isn't cutting it anymore.
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MegECass110AAA-er
883 days ago
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Buccholz is projected as a starter. There's been talk of possibly calling him up this year to pitch in the bullpen, but other than that, the Red Sox want him and his redonculous curveball to be the ace of the future.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Oh I got you, he's going to start off in the pen and move up to starter? What's the time table on bringing him up to the majors?
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MegECass110AAA-er
883 days ago
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According to soxprospects.com, they expect to call him up on September 1st, and his "estimated time of arrival" (I guess when he'll go in the rotation) is mid-2008. I wouldn't be surprised if it was earlier.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Bucholz has made 2 starts in AAA. He'll stay in AAA the rest of the year, possibly getting called up in September when the rosters expand, in which case he will pitch out of the bullpen. He is most likely going to start 2008 in AAA. His performance will dictate what happens to him after that.
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RomiezzoLegend
883 days ago
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It'd always be great to have such a good pitcher with experience on the Red Sox, but to be quite honest, like you said Meg, I don't think we need him. Didn't he already say this was going to be his last year? We've done just fine with Schilling out of the rotation. I think he's 41 right now, so I don't think it's a good idea to keep him anyway. With a rotation like Becks, Dice, Gabs, Lester, and Wakefield, we're fine.
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MegECass110AAA-er
882 days ago
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I was waiting for someone to call Josh Beckett Becks! This is fantastic. David Beckham is going to have a cow if it really catches on.
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MegECass110AAA-er
882 days ago
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I don't know how I feel about Gabs, though. I feel better just calling him Case.
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