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Why soccer will never be popular in the USA

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by SSreporters



  1. Americans love to see scoring, that's why we love the NFL for scores like 21-19, or the NBA (all 9 of us) for scores like 95-93. We hate hockey because it can end 1-0, and it's a sport where Canada routinely kicks the crap out of us.
  2. It's a sport we don't dominate. The USA has never won any FIFA world championship at any level, and can only beat Caribbean teams like Jamaica in the CONCACRAP Gold Cup. And any sport we don't dominate, we talk down to.
  3. Lack of any organized system. All of the good soccer countries have a relegation system. The MLS should have a system in which if a team from the Eastern Conference ain't performing, send them down to another league. Work with the USL. But the main problem with that, is the profit loss, and fan loss. The mentality in US sports is "we'll support them if they win.". In Europe and South America, it's "we'll support them no matter what."
  4. Lack of TV coverage. ESPN would prefer to air freakin poker and a 24/7 network based on the New York Yankees, than air soccer (mainly the EPL). Then again, if you watch Sportscenter, the anchors know much about soccer as a peanut.
  5. Not a single sport that is played globally reaches major popularity. It's just that way, so don't fool yourselves into thinking we're the best in the world at American Football, when so few countries play it. Once a country gets a hold of a sport we are used to dominating, we get pounded.

Agreements? Disagreements? Adding to the list?


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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Soccer will never be popular in the USA because of the flow of the game. There are dozens of sports out there that Americans will never get because they do not know how to watch it. Americans sports are sprint oriented quick fast paced action high impact. The excpetion to this is baseball which is a purely spectator sport that you can fall asleep and while watching only to wake when you hear the crack of the bat.
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WrmjrRed-Shirting
892 days ago
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I doubt soccer will ever be the most popular sport in the U.S., but it's a very popular sport to play among children. As these children grow and have memories of playing at a young age, the sport will grow in popularity. The speed of the sport isn't really an issue, IMO. Baseball and golf are both popular, and both of them can be very slow. To me, a bigger issue that will hold soccer back in the US is that it is not television friendly. Baseball has natural breaks for advertisements. Football and Basketball made moderate rule changes to allow more frequent breaks for advertisers. Soccer, on the other hand, is continuous action. No one wants to be at a commercial break when the only goal of the game is scored, and advertisers want regular access to viewer eyeballs. Without advertisers, soccer will never get a big television contract.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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I say buzz off to the advertisers. The fewer commercials (unless it's the bud light ones), the better.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
892 days ago
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On the contrary, there's always advertising going on in a soccer game. Watch any game on ESPN and you'll see a little advertisement on the scorebar from Budweiser or Hyundai or something. In other respects, soccer can be a much friendlier to a television programmer than a baseball game or a basketball game. It has a finite amount of time because it lacks those breaks. Save for knockout rounds in tournaments (if you need extra time or penalties), it's always a two-hour telecast (great for taping too!).
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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But aren't european teams ripe with advertising...on their god damn jerseys...its like nascar out there...
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Soccer and rugby are similar in that, the screen is covered with blended in adds that are imposed onto the field
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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JuTMSY4, The MLS does the same thing.
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WrmjrRed-Shirting
892 days ago
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I realize that soccer has found ways to include advertising, from uniforms to the scrolling ads TheCrookedCap mentioned. However, I don't think these have been shown as being as effective as the 30 second spot that is a hallmark of advertising in the US. Golf is a good example; the players are walking billboards, but all of the companies that sponsor players also run ads. The sponsorships are to get the players to appear in ads, make promotional appearances for the companies, and for bragging rights, but the real money is spent on the television spots. For a major broadcaster to sign on for a regular soccer television contract, they need to make a profit on advertising. Scrolling ads aren't going to bring in enough money to justify a CBS sending hi-def equipment, etc. to a soccer game. If the economics change, then the advantages of soccer (e.g. a 2-hour broadcast) can help.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
892 days ago
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Soccer is simply not a popular sport to watch. However, it is still a popular sport to play. I am still an avid soccer player to this day. However, I rarely watch the game on TV. On the other hand, I rarely play hockey anymore yet still try to watch every game I can. I guess what I am trying to say is that some games are simply better to play than watch. Soccer happens to be one of the biggest that fall into that category.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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Golf bounds into that category.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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Good point, I hate golf with a passion. Unless Gus Johnson is the announcer, that man can make everything exciting.
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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Most non-baseball people will admit baseball is fun to play...
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Yeah but a tourney with Tiger in the Mix on Sunday still gets better ratings than a Soccer game
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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Well you're right there, it would probably out rate hockey and soccer combine. And of course, the WNBA.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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It depends on which country you are from, but you may be right. unless it's the other 200 countries that play, then you're dead wrong.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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Scoring points/goals etc. is not what makes a sport interesting. There are other things at play that entertain you. The build up and defensive struggles are often good to watch. Not in football though.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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Exactly, and that's what us Americans don't understand. We always look for points or goals in a game. Unless it's the 2006 World Cup England squad, which bored me to no end.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
892 days ago
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"Scoring points/goals etc. is not what makes a sport interesting"

...to you. Between the lack of "finishing" and the dive-a-palooza, soccer has little chance of succeeding here. Just a fact of life.

We all grow up playing soccer, but at a pro level, it's just to boring for Americans. I love playing it, but I can't watch it. Golf is similar, but at least there's no flopping (Man wouldn't that be great).
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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It's boring to me... I only watch when I'm supporting someone, i.e. England/Aston Villa... I can't just watch a random game par say, unless it's International Finals or something.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
892 days ago
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The flopping is pretty amazing. And I don't really get it. I mean I play soccer every week. It is a pretty decent league. But we are not professionals, and there is plenty of hacking. Yet when we get kicked in the shins we don't roll around and flail like we were just shot. We say ow. Yell at the ref who was smoking instead of watching the play, and get on with life. I never understtod what they think they gain with their acting.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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That is SO annoying! I hate that in football - it's why I don't like it. Too much money, and too much cheating. It's a joke. An absolute disgrace. It's why I like cricket, rugby, the NHL...
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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I've got to admit, I not annoyed by the diving. But it's not that different from playacting for pass interference.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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My dad is a huge fan of cricket, watched the west indies many times.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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Playcating for Pass Interference is bad too! It shouldn't be done! It's cheating.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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Dude, sometimes the saves are better than the goals. Sometimes though. Plus, the MLS ain't a good example. Go to south america, they're just better.
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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You wanna know why...this has been discussed on AGM ad nauseam.

Soccer lacks specific situations. Football and baseball have plays...they are the 2 most popular sports...coincidence? Basketball, also has plays (something like a 24 second "play")...to a degree...but at the very least is situational in that aspect.

Hockey, obviously is "similar" (used loosely) to Soccer, however the quarters are much closer and there is generally more scoring regardless of old versus new NHL...there's also fight and hitting...you don't fall over like a bitch in hockey...unless you are one
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
892 days ago
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Not really. Soccer has formations 4-4-2, 3-4-3, etc. Sometimes teams will change formations when they need to (i.e. take out a defender and bring in an attacking player when down).
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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Over here though, we see only a 4-4-2 and a 4-5-1 now. Or they say 4-3-3, but in reality it's 4-5-1 (i.e. the wingers play too defensively). The aim is to stop opponents scoring, rather than try to score yourself. Three points for a win created that - it tried to encourage players to play for a win - but it made people scared to lose.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
892 days ago
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Maybe it has to do with attention span. Each of the sports you mention, basketball, baseball and football basically have a sequence of play..stop...play...stop. Whereas hockey and soccer are continuous. Maybe we Americans need our sports to have be broken up into tiny segments. maybe we have smaller bladders and need al the stoppages to go to the bathroom?
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
892 days ago
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It's conditioning more than anything else. Because those were the sports on our TVs as youngsters we got used to it. Europeans didn't have that because they had soccer and rugby. I think that's the key differences as well. It's a very different experience, and many people don't like the unfamiliar.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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I think a lot of it is to do with exposure. People on this site know about snooker because I post loads of stuff about it. You are probably the most knowledgable Americans re:snooker! And I think you can at least appreciate the game now? But with enough enthusisasm to advertise a sport, I reckon any sport can be appreciated, if not one you'd make a major on the US national scale.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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It also has to do with the lack of success on the men's side. The women seem to be doing well in the Women's side.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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As opposed to the women doing well in the Men's side. :P
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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US women are Number 1 aren't they? That's no mean achievement. But there isn't much else for them to go into. None of the big 4 US sports are played by women to an extent that it is nationally broadcasted. Football is probably the biggest US women's team sport. (At least, that is my perception.)
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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I know that, but some of the women could compete with the men's side (and perform better)
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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There is the WNBA, the (insert insulting acronym here)
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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Whoops crookedcap, I picked the wrong country. Thanks for the edit. ( I'm on summer vacation, so my brain is at a semi-conscious level)
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
892 days ago
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That's what social studies teachers are for.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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No problem, just a slip up, cause my Geography is far better than that.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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At least it's better than your President's Geography...
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
892 days ago
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The exposure issue that Alex brought up is an interesting one. In terms of very regular exposure of the sport, the most accessible soccer coverage in this country is MLS. While I don't want to knock MLS (I can stand it; really!), it isn't the most flattering impression of soccer available. If there could be more regular European club soccer available from the big leagues, that would help.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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ESPN has the rights to Euro 2008 next year. As long as Dave o'brien isn't the announcer or his partner in crime Marcelo Balboa, I might watch it.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
892 days ago
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It's European, so they'll definitely be pulling out ol'Tommy Smyth and his onion bag.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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Since Zidane is retired, I won't have to hear Brent Musberger constantly say "The GREAT............................. ZIDANE"
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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One thing about your commentators commentating... Why do they feel the need to shout "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!!!" ?
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
892 days ago
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Oops... That worked too well... You get the idea... :P
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
892 days ago
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The point of reference is from Andres Cantor, a Spanish language announcer. They pretty much copied him.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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And it's bloody unnatural when Americans do it. Especially Max Bretos.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
892 days ago
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You are the one millionth person to write this. While you and others are writing it, an increasing number of people are watching games on tv (see Copa America and World Cup ratings) and going to stadiums (see MLS attendance). The sport may never be top dog in the US, but it already has a solid following that will only increase despite the wishes of some.
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SSreportersLegend
892 days ago
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MLS attendance has got to be forged for some teams (Kansas City Wizards). I agree, they're watching it on tv, but how many foreigners are in this country as well?
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StumptownJV Squad
892 days ago
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What if we scrapped the MLS and tried to put a couple teams in one of the tope Euoropean leagues. Isn't the system you describe such that we could come in as a minor league team (I know, probably not the right name for it) and if we improve we could move up? We could have our players move and live over there but still have them be from NY or DC or LA and just have some home stands there where 2 or 3 European teams travel over at a time. I think having a rooting interest in a league that matters for the sport would greatly increase American interest. I mean if you were into hoops and lived in China, would you rather watch their crappy league, or try to get a Chinese NBA team? In fact, wouldnt you rather have a team in the best league even if it meant only a couple home games a year? i think this could work people. of course I admit I know absolutely nothing about soccer except it is boring to watch, I'm too fat and slow to play and the greatest moment in the history of the sport was either the movie Victory or when that player for the US womens team celebrated by disrobing.
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Satyr IconWaterboy
892 days ago
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I think that it would take several more years, decades even, for soccer in the United States reach the popularity and, probably most importantly, the passion that it has in the rest of the world.

It isn't like soccer is a new thing in the States; there was the NASL (North American Soccer League) with some great stars to push the teams...but soccer never got past being the stigma of being a foreign game being pushed on the states for some reason. MISL (Major Indoor Soccer League) was as popular as a fad; I loved the San Diego Sockers. I guess the Americans have to tinker with the game to like it.

There are too many other sports...too many "born in the states" sports that have the USA enthralled as the world is enthralled with soccer: Baseball, Football, and Basketball. There is no history for the game, no rivalries either for pro teams or national squads...I mean, in the states we have serious rivalries in the other sports: Yankees-Red Sox, Cowboys-Steelers, and Lakers-Celtics just to name a few...but in terms of soccer, nothing has been generated. Maybe recently with MSL some teams have created some locally but nothing on a national level. Plus, the States are so isolated from everyone else; playing soccer with Canada? We play hockey with them, eh. Mexico? Even tho we play soccer with them, we'd rather play beisbol. If The States were scrunched with other countries like Europe, we'd build up some rivalries. But, alas, that is not the case.

I think the highlight for soccer (I doubt that ANY American male will call soccer "football" unless he is trying to score with a foreign woman that likes the game; switching to " football" is as likely as switching to the metric system) in the United States was when the World Cup was held here and the great Women's Soccer teams that dominated the world. Until the men win consistently (we Americans love winners, and ties are like kissing your sister; it might feel good, but you really aren't getting anywhere) and the fans get worked up during the 4 year wait for the cup, the state of the game will always be considered either a woman's sport or a college game. With all the hype on ESPN before the U.S.'s first game at the 2006 World Cup, I was amped up to watch the Americans win or maybe tie...but the dismal play really hurt the perception of ourselves in the games, in its grandest showcase of the World Cup.

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