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Why is Pat Burrell so hated?

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by user Kwitt11

Pat Burrell is very underappreciated. He is Philadelphia's version of A-Rod, albeit with less talent; he is the whipping boy for the franchise, all the fans hate him for some reason, and he's actually a good player.

What? Pat Burrell is a good player? How can that be? He's hitting just .207! He has "only" 10 homers and 34 RBI! How can you defend someone like that? Well, if you use numbers that more accurately measure a player's offensive ability, you'll find that his OBP is .371, and you'll find that RBI is a dumb statistic. Burrell's been hated and the fans have wanted him traded for years, but he's been a really good offensive player pretty much his entire career; fans just can't look past the low batting average numbers. Burrell's OPS+ this year is 101; 100 is league-average, so he's basically been an average hitter this year (by that metric). This has been a down year for him, too; his career OPS+ is 116, and he was at 124 and 125 in the last two years. He strikes out a lot, but does that really matter? Most of the time, it doesn't matter at all what kind of out you make; it's still an out, and those are bad. And Burrell has been good at not making those outs, as his OBP is .371. His slugging percentage is down this year, but most of that difference can be explained by his low BA (even for his standards), which is .207 right now.

Some critics like to say that Burrell's high OBP does not matter because they can't steal bases. This doesn't make sense; as long as he gets on base, it's possible for him to score, while if he does not get on base, he can't score, and he costs his team an out. For examples of people who think OBP is a bad stat for people with no speed, I'll refer you to Fire Joe Morgan's "clogging up the bases" category. The short answer is that these people are idiots. Getting on base = not making outs = helping your team score runs.

For the more nerdy fans, Burrell's EqA is currently .273, 14th among full-time left fielders in baseball. That says pretty much the same thing that the OPS+ statistic said; Burrell has been pretty much league-average this year. And he's been even better in the past. So, are the Philadelphia Phillies fans' expectations so high of Burrell that they expect him to be an All-Star caliber player, or are they just not looking at the whole pitcure? (Actually, this isn't just a rhetorical question; I do really want to know this. Why does Burrell get hated on so much? Is it as simple as his low BA and high K rate?)

  ( from my blog, http://bpcatcher.blogspot.com/)


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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Rob Deer and Steve Balboni hit a few home runs and struck out a gazillon times per season as well. Swinging for the fences at every at bat is hardly the measure of a complete baseball player. And yes, it definitely makes a huge difference on how outs are obtained while at the plate. Unless frequently turning over double plays, it is better to put the ball in play (may reach base on fielding error) rather than striking out.
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RomiezzoLegend
888 days ago
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Ryan Howard?
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ChristofMVP
916 days ago
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Pat Burrell is not hated. He is jsut overrated and overpaid.

Burrell has two outstanding months each year. April and July. The rest of the year, he stinks. I mean, he is horrible.

Burrell's days as an everyday player, at least in left field, are over. He may become a DH, but beyond that, he is nothing but below average.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
916 days ago
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Burrell's April OPS: .843

Burrell's July OPS: .810

Burrell's OPS the rest of the year: .846
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Davis21wylieMVP
916 days ago
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Facts, beautiful facts!!
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
916 days ago
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He's being paid like an All-Star caliber player.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
916 days ago
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Because he KILLS the Mets. Absolutely DESTROYS!
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
916 days ago
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One of the only things going for him.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
916 days ago
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There are others?
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JuTMSY4Legend
891 days ago
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Yeah..makes it easier for Manuel to fill in his lineup card...Pat is 6th right?
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ChristofMVP
916 days ago
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Pat Burrell is, however, the Mayor of Philadelphia Night Clubs. You got to give the man credit where credit is due.
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Braab86Waterboy
916 days ago
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Burrell is not a terrible player, he's got a very good eye and decent power, but his lack of aggressiveness kills him. While I prefer players who take pitches over those who swing at everything, there are times to be aggressive and swing early in the count. It also doesn't help that his baserunning and fielding are atrocious. Then of course there's the huge salary. It's also very frustrating to Phillies fans who remember that he once displayed the offensive talent to justify his contract, but hasn't hit that way of late. There are a lot of reasons not to like him. That said, he could be a decent player on an American League team as a DH. I've got my own theory on why his numbers are the way they are. (http://thepe...y-up-to.html)
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Davis21wylieMVP
916 days ago
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I think we've been over the pros and cons of Burrell before at this site, too...
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Brendan.CanneyDiv-I Stud
916 days ago
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It's not just the fact that he can't steal bases if he gets on, it's that he is just terrible on the base paths. Being in Florida I haven't even seen that many games but the ones I have been able to catch down here he's made so many bone headed base running mistakes he ends up hurting the team more than helping. Now for some reason the .207 batting average doesn't seem to bother you that much. Well it should because if it was higher it'd mean he'd be getting on base a whole lot more often. Grant it, Pat Burrell would make a decent DH but his fielding is atrocious. Plus, he gets paid $13 million dollars this year, $13 million, but that's okay because his OBP is pretty high. In the month of June, Pat Burrell had a .129 AVG to go along with a .276 OBP. And the in the Month of May? A .179 AVG and a .360 OBP. And you mention him getting on base as a good thing because it gives the Phillies a chance to score. Burrell had 4 games of 2+ walks and guess how many runs he had? 1. And in the months of May and June Burrell had a total of 4 multi RBI games. It's not a matter of hate, it's just that he doesn't deserve the paycheck he's earning and just doesn't look too interested in doing anything pouting.
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Brendan.CanneyDiv-I Stud
916 days ago
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*because his fielding is atrocious.
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JuTMSY4Legend
891 days ago
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Actually, Burrell's biggest fielding problem is his range...he can catch (obviously) and has a gun...he just can't get to balls...but then again...we've got 2 other very good outfielders out there...if you watch, Rowand shades over to left to cover burrell as needed...
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Niteowl049AAA-er
916 days ago
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Agree with Christof that Burrell is not hated..just is frustrating for Phillies fans to see a player with that much power not using it and hitting for a very low average. Players like Michael Bourn and Greg Dobbs sit on the bench while Burrell is played because of his high salary. Burrell may be leaving his game on the night club floors and Phillies fans deserve better than a second class performance from someone getting paid millions more than the fans would make in about ten lifetimes.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
916 days ago
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Pat Burrell was a high draft pick and a big time prospect who was expected to become a superstar in the league. Instead he has been, as you statistics show, "extremely average" throughout his career. Factor in his atrocious fielding and you are talking borderline bust.

He just isn't that valuable of a player in the National League. If a guy has average hitting, below average fielding, and below average speed, then he is a below average player.

Not to mention the fact that he should be raking, considering he plays in a hitters park and has Rollins, Utley, and Howard hitting in front of him. In some line-ups rbi's are a BS stat, but not when you are hitting with those guys.

The Phillies would be best served to send him to an AL squad that needs a DH, and try to acquire some help for their horrendous pitching staff in return.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
913 days ago
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I don't think Burrell is such a bad player at all. If he were in a different city - even an NL city - his life would probably be a lot easier, and his numbers correspondingly better. Because he's in Philly, though, where there always seems to be more than enough blame to go around, he gets roundly booed just about every time he comes to the plate, and especially when he doesn't produce. The expectations for his performance are so high that it is just too hard for him to concentrate on hitting the ball, or anything else. Phillies "fans" have created a self-fulfilling prophecy in Pat Burrell -- he's the guy the fans love to boo (without alot of justification, as this site attests to), the booing gets to him, his performance suffers, leading to difficulties getting hits (sometimes), which brings on more booing, in a vicious circle. If the "fans" would shut up and give the guy a chance, his performance might elevate, but I'm afraid that it probably won't happen in a place like Philly. I've been to games in places like Baltimore, where salaries are as high as or higher than Phillies' salaries, and there seems to be a lot less booing. And the O's lose a lot more games than the Phils do. I guess what really seems to bother the fans is that they think he's overpaid. Hell yeah he's overpaid, but is PB really the only overpaid, (putatively) underperforming athlete out there? I don't think so. And as for his woeful fielding and poor baserunning, those are pretty silly canards. Pat's got a great arm -- look at his assists. And as for baserunning errors, Shane Victorino and Carlos Ruiz have made some really boneheaded mistakes on the basepaths lately, so Pat's in good company. (Phillies commentators have remarked on the teams' poor baserunning, and I've never heard them single Pat out.) Well, I've said my piece, tho I doubt it will make a grain of difference.
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JuTMSY4Legend
891 days ago
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Ok...I love Camden Yards, I love going to see the Os play there...but...I'm sorry to say this...no disrespect, but A ton of Os fans are huge pussies...don't let the Red Sox and Yankees take over your place...alright...
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
891 days ago
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Burrel's luck has returned this month; his BA is up to .256, and his OBP and SLG are .417 (!) and .456. Pretty damn good numbers...
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JuTMSY4Legend
891 days ago
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Its July...duh!
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JuTMSY4Legend
891 days ago
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Well...I can tell you why I hate Pat Burrell
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
888 days ago
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11th in the league in OPS and climbing... second on OBP... looks like Phils don't have a prayer WITHOUT Burrell. He seems to have recovered from his foot injury, and has adjusted to his contacts.
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RomiezzoLegend
888 days ago
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I don't think he's underrated. He is rated perfectly by fans. I think he's just criticized too much for how well he did in May and June. If you want some more info, go to my article about "Slumps Are Slumps; Everyone Has Em; Get Over It".since the beginning of July, he has increased he average by .060, and his OBP by .054, and his SLG by .106. But there's no way he's the "Phillies' Version of AROD"...
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Silencer76AAA-er
888 days ago
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With any lineup that features Jimmy Rollins, Ryan Howard, Aaron Rowand, and the speed of Shane Victorino, plus Chase Utley, how can you NOT get good pitches to hit and drive in runs? I am sure that there are outfielders all over the majors who would love to hit in a lineup with that kind of offensive firepower. Burrell is hated because of his inconsistency, the fact that he runs about as well as a car drives with three flat tires, and that he is consistently removed for a defensive replacement in the late innings.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
888 days ago
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I'll take the RBIs and you can have guys who run well (please read Bill James re: how speed on the basepaths is overrated). BTW, you should should know that Burrell;s one big baserunning "gaffe" this year was actually caused by the mistake by the runner in front of him. Plus the 3B coach is a moron. You might also note that both Howard and Utley are very streaky players; "consistency" is porrly understood and frequently mis-applied term.
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