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Why Yankees?

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by Insan

With the Yankees losing their third straight ALDS, the question that has been asked for the past three years is why? Why do the Yankees continue to struggle in the playoffs? Why does a team that scored 968 runs, fail to do so in October? Why did Derek Jeter aka Captian Clutch ground into three double-plays in two games? Why did the Yankees struggle against a team they easily beat in the regular season 6-0? Why were they able to only average 2.7 runs scored in the three losses? Why did ace Chien-Ming Wang struggle so badly while Fausto Carmona played one of his best games in his career? Why do the gnats in Cleveland seem to affect the Yankee players far more than they did the Indian players? Why did Joe Torre, who has far more postseason experience to Eric Wedge fail to win the series? Why did the Yankees cool down so quickly after a hot September? These are the questions that have yet to be answered and may never be answered. The Yankees stink for their expectations and no one can figure out why.


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Simms1156Div-I Stud
787 days ago
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Maybe its because they are not that good.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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Great answer! [/sarcasm]
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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I think that's a correct answer, if not a very thorough one. It could be rephrased as "they weren't AS good as the Indians."
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JuTMSY4Legend
786 days ago
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Pitching wins int he playoffs... Sabathia and Carmona vs Wang and Petitte (an aging one)
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InsanMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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That's great Justin, but Wang was considered for the Cy Young award and you can't get more clutch in playoffs than Andy Pettitte. So your answer doesn't hold any water.
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Taytay 24All-American
786 days ago
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It takes more than one, Insan. He can't start them all.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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Yea, Wang and Pettitte. That's two. What I want to know is why do they all of a sudden suck why their opponents steam roll through them.
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RomiezzoLegend
786 days ago
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I think JuT said it best. IMO, there are 2 things that a playoff team has to win a World Series: pitching, and clutch hitting/scoring runs when you need to. Remember all the walk-off homers that the Yankees had? Bernie Williams, Scott Brosius, Aaron Boone... those are all clutch hits that helped the Yankees win ballgames. Pitching is also a main factor. Look at the '05 White Sox. It was the first time in history where 4 starters pitched 8 or more innings of one game in a World Series (I think). They did really well, as they swept the Astros.
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RomiezzoLegend
786 days ago
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Answer to all of the question: Because they're the Yankees of the 21st century!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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Because we told you so but you... just... wouldn't... listen. Then again, you are a Yankee fan!
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InsanMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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I expected a more intelligent answer coming from "the baseball guru"...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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The Yankees are like the Indians of the 1990's, great offense but no starting pitcher that strikes fear in the other team. The Yankees were not built for the post-season this year.

It's a cliche, but good pitching beats good hitting. And good pitchers somehow step it up and reach a higher level in the post-season so they are able to shut down good lineups.

Even the solid starters on the Yankees had trouble going deep into games, which is pivotal in the playoffs.

In order to win in the post-season, you need 2 great starting pitchers are 4 very good starting pitchers. In a 5 game series, having 2 great starting pitchers is a massive advantage. You also need 3 very good pitchers out in the bullpen to shorten games. The Yankees have Wang (who inexplicably sucked) and Rivera. They came up short in the pitching department, big time.

Also, in their 6 regular season wins against Cleveland, the Yankees didn't face CC Sabathia, and they only faced Carmona once.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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^^^^2 great starting pitchers OR 4 very good starting pitchers
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WoodsmeisterVarsity Captain
786 days ago
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Let's look at the last three teams the Yankees lost to in the postseason. 2007 - Cleveland - better pitching. 2006 - Detroit - better pitching. 2005 - Angels - better pitching. Sensing a trend? Maybe, instead of buying retread pitchers in their 30s and 40s and paying them ridiculous amounts of money (Roger Clemens made roughly $195,000 per inning pitched this year, or about $65,000 per out), you should try developing some of your own pitching like everyone else does. Cashman has started this, but it takes awhile to pay off.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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It doesn't have to be homegrown, look at the 2001 Diamondbacks with Johnson and Schilling, or the 2004 Red Sox with Martinez, Schilling, Lowe, Foulke, and Timlin. It just has to be good, and the Yankees have not been able to acquire good enough pitchers.
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Falcon02520Legend
786 days ago
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After the start the Yankees had... they were lucky to make it to October...
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Falcon02520Legend
786 days ago
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Yankees Suck! This user thinks that "Yankees Suck" are words to live by.
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Yakob878MVP
786 days ago
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a team can't be great for ever, the yankees are just in a slump one the red sox were in for 86 years, they will pull out of it will all of georgies money $$$$
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Falcon02520Legend
786 days ago
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I don't care whose money it is... you can't buy a championship...
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Falcon02520Legend
786 days ago
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$Ball This user is a Billy Beane fan.
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RomiezzoLegend
786 days ago
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"You may have the greatest bunch of individual stars in the world, but if they don't play together, the club won't be worth a dime." ~Babe Ruth
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RomiezzoLegend
786 days ago
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If they actually ARE in a slump, then they made it easier for us to remember. Think about it. The last time they won was in 2000. It's 2007 right now, so it's been 7 years since they've won...
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Falcon02520Legend
786 days ago
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Romi, first nice quote, second they won't win another WS until 2086
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RomiezzoLegend
786 days ago
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<crybaby voice> I want it to be 2087! </crybaby voice>
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InsanMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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You guys keep saying starting pitching and how you need two really good starting pitchers. But that doesn't explain how the Yankee ace, Wang (who is normally awesome and young) got beat up so badly and how Paul Byrd kept the Yankees with only 2 runs. It doesn't make any sense... No one seems to have a legit reason for this...
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RomiezzoLegend
786 days ago
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I think I might have an idea why. Everyone says starting pitching, but I don't think that's true. It all depends on how healthy the team is and how well the manager makes decisions, I guess. It also has to do with how clutch the players are in the offseason, something that AROD didn't do in the road games; didn't even get a hit. Derek Jeter had a batting average of under .200. Take a look at the batting stats of each Yankees team in the playoff series they were eliminated. '04: Jeter, AROD, Matsui, and Sheffield did jack, '05: they played the Angels (no explanation except the fact that they played them), '06: same thing, no clutch hits, no scoring against the Tigers' good pitching, '07: the Indians had better pitching, and did better as a team. You can tell me that a 12-3 victory is just lucky. The offense of the Indians was much better than the Yankees' and so was the pitching. Wang pitched in 2 of those games, and was probably the main cause of this. Pettite pitched very well in game 2, and I'm surprised Torre didn't use HIM in game 4. That's basically my overall reason: the fact that the team can't work together better than their opposing teams in the situations they're in.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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It's not just having pitchers who put up regular season stats, it's having pitchers who are clutch in the playoffs. The Indians pen didn't give up a run until game 4, and Carmona was amazing in game 2.

Wang had a phenomenal regular season, but he blew in this series.

The Indians outpitched the Yankees. Nuf said.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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So basically the management overstayed their welcome?

The answer is pretty decent, A LOT better than what everyone else wrote so far. But it still doesn't explain a lot of things. For example, Jeter aka Captain Clutch sucking and Wang getting demolished in Game 1.

I really hope a change in coaching is the answer because I don't see any logical reason for exactly why the Yankees suck it up in the playoffs year after year following an awesome regular season.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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My above comment was for Romi... Raw, Wang did awesome last season in playoffs against the Tigers. It doesn't explain why he sucked this year.
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RomiezzoLegend
786 days ago
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That is a great comment right there, Raw. Yes, I definitely agree with you. It doesn't matter what you do in the regular season. Just to add something, Chien Ming Wang is OFF when he gets a loss... and I mean he does pretty bad, and unfortunately for the Yanks, he was OFF in the 2 games he pitched.
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RomiezzoLegend
786 days ago
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Like I said, Insan, it all comes down to the playoffs. If you have clutch pitching, you'll be able to get guys out. Bobby Abreu had a big homer in the 9th for example. Who else got on base in the 9th for the Yanks in Game 4? Nobody. They were down by 2, and were facing a young Todd Jones: someone who gives up a lot of runs.

CAPTAIN Clutch isn't Caption Clutch all the time. He was, I don't know if he has been since what? 2001?

Some people just have bad/good days. Maybe Chien Ming Wang isn't that great in the playoffs. Guys like Andy Pettite, John Smoltz, Josh Beckett, and Curt Schilling are. They like being in pressure situations and are able to get guys out because of it.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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I don't know, I guess it's because of the design of the game. It requires some skill and some luck. I just finished listening to Mike and Mike in the Morning and they were talking about it. They pretty much said that the game is designed for teams to lose 3 or 4 straight. It's just when you lose those 3-4 games. Maybe we're just really unlucky, it's all very confusing to me...
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Pinstripes ForeverPee Wee
786 days ago
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The bottom line is that they could not win game 2. That's life in a 5 game series and partially the choice of Torre. I think he should have brought Mo in the 8th in game 2 and had Wang on regular rest. If that was the case, we would be talking about which Wang would show up for game 5. As much as I love Torre, it's time for a change. A little retooling and this team is World Series repeater in '09, '10.
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RomiezzoLegend
786 days ago
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Now, I'm just askind, what about '08? No faith?
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InsanMajor Leaguer
786 days ago
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Johan Santana in 09.
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B-ryeJV Squad
786 days ago
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The Yankees are basically the Phoenix Suns of baseball (and I apologize to any Suns fan for dragging them into this) in that they're built to outscore teams, which works in the regular season when youre playing teams like Kansas City and Tampa Bay. But when you get to the playoffs, you have to be able to do the little things to manufacture runs instead of hoping and praying for the longball. Combine that with a weak starting rotation and youre going to have a team thats always going to come up short in October.
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Falcon02520Legend
786 days ago
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I see what you are saying... it makes sense to me at the least
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TylersaltAll-Star
786 days ago
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an interesting analogy.
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