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Why Strikeouts Do Matter

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by user Timothy Moreland(Bball3345)

From 2003-2005, there were 184 instances of a pitcher throwing 150 or more innings in a season. I decided to find out how well strikeouts, as well as control, correlated with success. My motivation for this article stemmed from Manny Stiles’ comments in a recent article of mine.

The Strikeout Debate
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Why Strikeouts Do Matter
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Why Strikeouts Do Matter: Going Deeper

First, let’s just look at a list of the top and bottom ten seasons in strikeouts/nine.

# YEAR NAME SO/9
1 2003 Kerry Wood 11.35
2 2004 Oliver Perez 10.97
3 2004 Randy Johnson 10.62
4 2004 Johan Santana 10.46
5 2003 Mark Prior 10.43
6 2003 Curt Schilling 10.39
7 2005 Mark Prior 10.15
8 2004 Jason Schmidt 10.04
9 2004 Ben Sheets 10.03
10 2003 Pedro Martinez 9.93
Bottom
275 2005 Jason Johnson 3.99
276 2004 Brian Anderson 3.74
277 2005 Horacio Ramirez 3.56
278 2004 Carlos Silva 3.44
279 2005 Joe Mays 3.4
280 2005 Carlos Silva 3.39
281 2003 Danny Graves 3.2
282 2005 Kirk Saarloos 2.99
283 2004 Kirk Rueter 2.6
284 2003 Nate Cornejo 2.13

So, which ten would you choose? If you can’t decide, group one had a median ERA of 2.82, compared to group two’s 4.65 ERA.

I’m not saying strikeouts are all that matter, but the best strikeout pitchers tend to be better than the best control pitchers. Here are the best and worst for control, or BB/9.

# YEAR NAME BB/9
1 2005 Carlos Silva 0.43
2 2003 David Wells 0.85
3 2004 Jon Lieber 0.92
4 2004 David Wells 0.92
5 2004 Brad Radke 1.01
6 2005 Brad Radke 1.03
7 2005 David Wells 1.03
8 2003 Roy Halladay 1.08
9 2003 Brad Radke 1.19
10 2004 Ben Sheets 1.22
Bottom
275 2004 Shawn Estes 4.68
276 2005 Scott Kazmir 4.84
277 2005 Daniel Cabrera 4.85
278 2005 Kip Wells 4.9
279 2003 Shawn Estes 4.9
280 2004 Russ Ortiz 4.93
281 2004 Al Leiter 5.03
282 2003 Victor Zambrano 5.07
283 2004 Kazuhisa Ishii 5.13
284 2004 Brandon Webb 5.15

There is definitely a drop in quality from list one to two, but Webb, Kazmir, and Leiter all posted sub-4.00 ERAs in those years. The median ERA in the top list is 3.89, compared to 4.37 in the bottom list. Not nearly as drastic a difference as the strikeout lists.

The main objective, however, is not to strike people out, but to get them out. This is done by not allowing hits. So, here is the list of the best and worst by Hits/9.

# YEAR NAME H/9
1 2004 Johan Santana 6.16
2 2005 Roger Clemens 6.43
3 2004 Randy Johnson 6.48
4 2003 Kerry Wood 6.48
5 2005 Pedro Martinez 6.59
6 2003 Jason Schmidt 6.59
7 2004 Jason Schmidt 6.6
8 2004 Oliver Perez 6.66
9 2005 Carlos Zambrano 6.85
10 2003 Brandon Webb 6.97
Bottom
275 2004 Darrell May 11.32
276 2004 Carlos Silva 11.34
277 2005 Eric Milton 11.45
278 2005 Mark Hendrickson 11.46
279 2005 Zack Greinke 11.46
280 2005 Jose Lima 11.69
281 2005 Joe Mays 11.71
282 2003 Mark Hendrickson 11.77
283 2004 Brian Anderson 11.77
284 2003 Jeff Weaver 11.92

First, the median ERA for the top is 2.83 and a dreadful 5.73 for the bottom. Hmmm… there seems to be a common trait amongst the top list. They are strikeout pitchers.

So, it appears the best way to go is allow the fewest hits. It also appears the best way to do this is strike out a lot of batters. It makes sense, since strikeout pitchers rely less on the work of their defense. Also, the less balls in play, the less ways a batter can reach base safely. To further show the relationship between strikeouts and h/9, I did a regression analysis. The r-squared between k/9 and h/9 was .5008. In other words, 50% of a pitcher’s effectiveness in h/9 comes from k/9. BB/9 only correlated to a .0177 r-squared. So a pitcher’s control has virtually no link to their ability to not allow hits. As shown, strikeout pitcher’s tend to hold an advantage over control pitcher’s.


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Date

Wed 08/30/06, 6:30 am EST


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Awrigh01All-Star
1190 days ago
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very interesting. Good Job bro!
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1190 days ago
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First off it is ludicrous to compare the absolute top to the absolute bottom. Half the guys at the bottom of these lists are crappy pitchers that last a year or two in the majors and then wash out. That's like looking at the best batting averages and worst and saying see, the bottom guys got out more. No, really? You don't say. Also, H/9 are great, but where that translates into a difference is ERA and opponents slugging percentage. If a guy is only giving up 5 hits a game but two are homers and 3 are doubles he is going to give up more runs then the guy who gave up 7 singles over 7 innings. I think you will come out on top in this arguement, but I think you need to dig deeper than this.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
1190 days ago
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Keep in mind I did have a 150 innings pitched min. So these guys all got a full season of work.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1190 days ago
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but you're comparing apples and triangles, bro! Even if they are the same size.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
1190 days ago
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I was arguing Manny's claim that strikeout pitcher's "lull their fielder's to sleep." Clearly, strikeout pitcher's allow less hits so I'm thinking the fielder's aren't letting hits fall because their bored.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1190 days ago
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Eric Milton. Eric Milton. Eric Milton. Excellent comment, the type of hit matters greatly towards a pitchers ERA. The top 10 strikeout pitchers are going to have better numbers. Its science. What needs to be done to see if strikeouts matter is taking a correlation between WHIP (accurate measure of a pitcher's success) versus strikeouts, and see if they are even remotely correlated. I would guess yes, just because those are outs, but the strength of the correlation is what matters against the strength of correlation with not as successful pitchers, not the bottom 10 with 150 innings.
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TartanVarsity Captain
1190 days ago
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Taht was me, new computer is all FUBAR
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ASwaffAll-American
1190 days ago
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I agree. Absolutely ridiculous to compare top to bottom. Why not top ten to another group of ten somewhere in the middle? Why not the top twenty to guys that fall 21-40? Of COURSE they guys with the least strikeouts per nine are going to have terrible ERAs...those are the pitchers that can't get batters out AT ALL. You really think that comparing the likes of Brian Anderson, Nate Cornejo and Danny Graves to Johan Santana, Randy Johnson and Roger Clemens proves your argument?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1190 days ago
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Nice charts, faulty logic. A 'K' isn't more important than any other out, in fact... you can strikeout and STILL get on base (See A.J. Pierzynski 2005).

My point was keeping guys off the bases is WAY more important than striking them out, and "strikout pitcher' DOESN'T mean 'control pitcher' (Check your all time walks and k leaders... oh yeah, they're the SAME GUYS!

I post my rebuttal on a separate post someone might read, so I don't take up the whole page with comments no one will read.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
1190 days ago
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How often does a player strikeout and still get on base??? I realize keeping players off is more important, but I believe strikeouts are the best way to make sure a player doesn't get on base.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
1190 days ago
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when did i say strikeout pitcher = control pitcher?
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DNLLegend
1190 days ago
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The thing is that once the bat hits the ball, the pitcher has no control over where it goes. If you can get a guy out without him hitting it, you're eliminating that variable. So a K is more important, from a pitching perspective, than any other out.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1190 days ago
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ever get a double or triple play on a strikeout?
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PeanMajor Leaguer
1190 days ago
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no, but someone got 3 outs with no pitches!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1190 days ago
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none of them strikeouts! Good one Pean! +++
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ASwaffAll-American
1190 days ago
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Manny's right - if you're going to look at these things, you have to look at WHIP, not just H/9. Strikeout pitchers tend to walk guys more, and you don't take that into account.
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1190 days ago
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Hey, lets everybody calm down, take a deep breath, and go play some Mini Golf before this gets out of hand. :)
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Awrigh01All-Star
1190 days ago
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I think we need a virtual drinking game to take this argument to the next level.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1190 days ago
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my computer at home crashed the whole hard drive last night, losing all my kids pics, wedding pics, vacation pics... some were backed up (like 5%) so i'm READY for a virtual drinking game!!!
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Awrigh01All-Star
1190 days ago
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I'm sorry Manny. There are places that can rebuild a HD . . .
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1190 days ago
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I'll be ok, I still have my wife and kids, just not the old pictures of 'em. It's just a pile of plastic, metal and silicon I've wanted to smash a million times before. There are worse fates! Funny thing is, I got into the mess by trying to 'fix it' myself... Now, with all of my programs lost, (I re-loaded XP) it works faster than ever!
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