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Why 350 wins means everything

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by user Barkingclam

Even if it doesn’t seem like it, 350 is a very important number.

By winning his 350th game on Monday, Roger Clemens joined one of the most elite clubs in baseball history - one so elite that it has had just 7 other members over a century.

So elite that he’s the first new member since 1965 and the only one still alive.

So that win is a very big deal. Especially when you consider that only one other active pitcher, Greg Maddux, is even close to him - and Maddux benefited from pitching in the National League, never having to face the DH and never pitched in cozy Fenway Park - something that Clemens did for good portions of his career.

It’s an even bigger deal when you look at today’s top pitchers. Unlike home runs, where it’s not uncommon for a leader to hit 40, even 50 in a season, wins keep going down and down.

With the modern specialization of pitching, it is doubtful that we will ever see a 350 game winner from today’s crop. Last season, for example, we didn’t even have a pitcher who won at least 20 games for the first time since 1995. In the last 10 seasons, we haven’t had a pitcher win more then 24 games.

However, we have seen a player hit 73 home runs in one season.

Could any of today’s pitchers ever hit 350 wins? The closest are Greg Maddux, who has already 340 wins, and Tom Glavine, at 297. Both of those pitchers are nearing the end of their careers (they’re both 41) and are unlikely to catch Clemens. There’s only one active pitcher who is under 40 and has close to 300 wins - Mike Mussina, who has 243 - at the age of 38.

But what about today’s young, fresh pitchers? Well, let’s take last season’s top pitcher for the American League: Chien-Ming Wang. Wang, who won 19 games for the Yankees at the age of 26, has a total of 27 wins coming into this season. For him to get to 350 wins, he would have to have 18 seasons of at least 19 wins. Then, when he’ll be 44 years old, he’ll just hit 350 wins . To ask him to be that good, for that long, is just not a possibility.

So, if this is the final season for Clemens, 350 wins looks like the cherry on top of the sundae of his career. It adds to his resume as the greatest pitcher of his generation, and perhaps the greatest pitcher of all time. Sure, he has a reputation as a hired gun, going where the money is. He’s even burned some bridges behind him, in Boston, Toronto, Houston and arguably in New York.

Were he somebody else, this could be a fatal flaw.

But this isn‘t somebody else; this is somebody who‘s career reads like a wish list for pitching. From the seven Cy Young awards, his multiple times leading the league in wins and ERA to his World Series rings, his career is the gold standard that pitchers will be judged against in the future. By every definition he is a hall of fame player - there are far, far lesser players in the hall of fame.

But still, those accomplishments can be repeated. A pitcher wins the Cy Young and a team wins the World Series every season. It’s possible to win 20 games in a season or to have back to back Cy Youngs.

However, 350 is still a very large number, and is one we may never see again, hence it's importance.


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DNLLegend
733 days ago
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I think this is spot on. "Wins" is, in small doses (read: season-by-season), a meaningless stat. The fact that a pitcher goes 16-10 or 20-6 has more to do with his teammates than himself. But after a while, that "noise" starts to filter out a bit, and there's good reason why only very-good-or-better pitchers have 300+ wins. As you go up incrementally, the quality of pitcher also goes up. 350 is amazing.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
733 days ago
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Your own comment equally applies to this Clemens hero-worshipping crap. Hope the $20 million the Yankees spent was worth satisfying this guy's ego for hitting 350.
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BarkingclamVarsity
733 days ago
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Thanx for the read, Tyrone!
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KelsdadAll-Star
733 days ago
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So explain to me then how Randy Johnson won 16 games for the Dbacks team that lost 111 games in 2004? Or how Steve Carlton won 27 games for a team that barely won 70? There are no "very good" pitchers with 300 wins. Great pitchers, not very good pitchers, win this many games because..they are great.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
733 days ago
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"350 is still a very large number". Wow genius work here.
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BarkingclamVarsity
733 days ago
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Thanks for the read, Tyrone!
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InsanMajor Leaguer
733 days ago
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"The closest are Greg Maddux, who has already 340 wins, and Tom Glavine, at 297. Both of those pitchers are nearing the end of their careers (they’re both 41) and are unlikely to catch Clemens." I disagree, I think Maddux can catch Clemens. As you mentioned, Maddux has the luxury of pitching in the NL which gives him a greater oppurtunity. Also, Clemens misses a good 1/3 of every season these days, while Maddux pitches the entire season. Maddux is 7-4 right now while Clemens is 2-3, I think its very likely that Maddux can grab #350 and a possibility that he can pass Clemens.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
733 days ago
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Why is it easier to win games in the NL? I agree with your overall point, given that Clemens is only pitching three or four months a year, but I don't understand that statement.
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BarkingclamVarsity
730 days ago
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You don't have to face the DH, or teams that are stacked with hitting (Yankees, Red Sox) on as regular a basis.
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WizardmanRed-Shirting
733 days ago
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There are maybe 1 or 2 young pitchers you have an okay shot at 300, let along 350. After Maddux hits it, it may be a generation or two again before another.
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False ProphetAll-Star
733 days ago
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look to the Verlanders and Lirianos as the best shots. Even Verlander might be starting to get to be a bit of a long shot
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WizardmanRed-Shirting
733 days ago
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I was thinking of Bonderman as well.
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