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What Barry Bonds Is and Is Not

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by user Darrel

A discussion of Barry Bonds and common sense can't go together. Barry Bonds has reached irrational status, like religion or abortion: it's rude to bring him up at the dinner table, and no one can quite explain just why they feel the way they do. I'm going to try to do the impossible and infuse common sense into the situation by laying the facts on the table.

Barry Bonds is not a saint. In fact, he's far from it. Most people would call Barry Bonds a jerk, and many would go farther than that. It's difficult to determine just how unlikeable Bonds is in person - after all, the only people that spend much time with him are his teammates, his family, and his girlfriends. The fact that he was kicked off his college team before the College World Series is pretty good evidence that he's a pretty big jerk.

Barry Bonds is a cheater. Those that disagree with that label either absurdly believe Barry's never taken steroids, or they quibble with the definition. Either way, Bonds took illegal and possibly harmful drugs to help him better play baseball better.

Barry Bonds is not alone. Barry's hardly the only player to do what he's done; Jose Canseco, Ken Caminiti, Rafael Palmeiro, and others come to mind. Has anybody ever talked about taking away their MVPs and Gold Gloves or asterisking their stats? Has anyone talked about a lifetime ban for Alex Sanchez or Juan Rincon? It goes farther back, however. Cheating in baseball goes back to the very beginnings. In the Hall of Fame alone, we have players who threw games (Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker), players who used illegal bats (Babe Ruth), players who used illegal pitches (Gaylord Perry), and players who took illegal drugs to help them play baseball better (Willie Mays and countless others). Barry Bonds is hardly the only cheater in the history of the game. Sure, he's had better methods of cheating, but it's important to get the proper perspective on all of this: Bonds and his contemporaries are simply the latest step in the evolution of cheating in baseball.

Barry Bonds is one of the greatest baseball players of all time. The idea that Bonds was not an all-time great by the time he reached 33 has been slowly spreading for the past few years. I've written at length about this before, but the gist of it is that Barry Bonds had established himself as one of the history's best players by 1998. Anybody coming to any other conclusion is letting their bias cloud their judgment.

What does it all mean? Barry Bonds is an all-time great player, a jerk, and a cheater - He's also far from the only player to ever fit this description. Do me a favor - if you're one of the people that show up to Giants games to heckle Barry, be an equal opportunity hater. You can heckle guys like Jason Giambi, Gary Sheffield, Juan Rincon, Jorge Piedra, Michael Morse, Rafael Betancourt, Ryan Franklin, and Matt Lawton. You can campaign for Jose Canseco's and Ken Caminit's MVP awards to be stricken from the record books. You can write letters to MLB and tell them to asterisk next to Rafael Palmeiro's 569 home runs.

You can also just realize that this problem is about neither steroids nor Barry, and focusing on one person does nothing to actually solve the bigger problem.


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Mon 05/22/06, 4:26 am EST

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DNLLegend
1273 days ago
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First comment: As a long-time Mets fan, one of the things that gets me is pitchers who doctor balls. In 1986, the Mets were, by far, the best team in the NL. The only team close was the Astros, who were the beneficiaries of Mike Scuffball Scott. Scott was and has been glorified for that season, and history reflects on it fondly. I don't get it. There was virtually no investigation (except by a Mets-lead one).
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DNLLegend
1273 days ago
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Also, I don't really understand why there's not be true discussions about Canseco and Cammy's MVPs. As Darrel notes, these guys are/were known cheaters. But when Mike Greenwell made a comment that he should get the award over Canseco, he gets panned across the board.
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DarrelSoccer Kid
1273 days ago
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I say give it to Wade Boggs retroactively.
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Awrigh01All-Star
1273 days ago
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I think there is a degree of difference b/w and MVP award and eclipsing Babe Ruth and/or making a run at Hank Aaron's remarkable consistency. I think that's why people get so annoyed at Bonds.
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DarrelSoccer Kid
1273 days ago
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Obviously. I don't think it's justified, however.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
1273 days ago
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This was a great article. As I was watching the Brewers-Twins series this weekend, Juan Rincon came into pitch on a couple occasions during the series, and I thought each time, "Wasn't this guy caught for steroids last year?" I bet there were no signs, no boos, no anything for Rincon. Apparently using steroids is only a crime if you're about to break a record.
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DNLLegend
1273 days ago
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I think, at least in Rincon's case, is more a case of him being a forgettable no-name. You probably wouldn't boo Julio Machado. Most wouldn't, but that doesn't make him any less a murderer.

What bothers me is Giambi and Sheffield, and for different reasons, Palmiero. Giambi and Sheff aren't given any sort of negative treatment; heck, the former won the comeback player of the year award! <p> Palmiero bugs me because he has a shot at the Hall. But through age 30, he was most similar to a lot of "Hall of Very Good" guys like John Olerud, Will Clark, Reggie Smith, and Kent Hrbek. Truly. Through age 30, he had a lower BA, OBP, and SLG than Clark. But over the course of the next ten years, he added almost twenty-five points to his SLG. That's crap.

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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1272 days ago
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Barry Bonds was a great player, but I don't think I would call him an all-time great. I think he was a 1st ballot hall of famer, but I don't think he was in the Ruth/Aaron legend category until he started the juice.

People keep saying that Bonds is not the only one, but to me that hardly matters. Look, lots of people cheat on their spouses, but when the President does it, it is front page news and the subject of a multi-million $ federal investigation. Well, lots of ballplayers use steroids, but when an already great player uses steroids to break some of baseball most heralded records, it is going to be big news.

Richard Nixon will always be remembered for Watergate. Bill Clinton will always be remembered for Monica Lewisnky. Marty McSorley will always be remembered for slashing a guy in the head. Ron Artest will always be remembered for attacking multiple fans. And Barry Bonds will have to live with the fact that all his accomplishments, and his general legacy all have a giant asterix by it that says "Barry Bonds cheated to accomplish what he did."
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
1272 days ago
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Viewing Barry Bonds' demeanor through this whole ordeal tells me that Barry Bonds really doesn't give a rat's ass about his "legacy." I thought it was funny how in his press conference after 714, Bonds told the press to go follow Albert Pujols now. Well, guess who the Giants play next. Ironic huh?
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DarrelSoccer Kid
1272 days ago
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"Barry Bonds was a great player, but I don't think I would call him an all-time great. I think he was a 1st ballot hall of famer, but I don't think he was in the Ruth/Aaron legend category until he started the juice."

Problem: Ruth and Aaron aren't in the same discussion except when it comes to homers. Bonds was almost certainly a better player than Aaron before "he started the juice."

"People keep saying that Bonds is not the only one, but to me that hardly matters. Look, lots of people cheat on their spouses, but when the President does it, it is front page news and the subject of a multi-million $ federal investigation. Well, lots of ballplayers use steroids, but when an already great player uses steroids to break some of baseball most heralded records, it is going to be big news."

Yes, but the difference would be if you were advocating someone chop off Bill's balls while everyone else got of scot-free.

"People keep saying that Bonds is not the only one, but to me that hardly matters. Look, lots of people cheat on their spouses, but when the President does it, it is front page news and the subject of a multi-million $ federal investigation. Well, lots of ballplayers use steroids, but when an already great player uses steroids to break some of baseball most heralded records, it is going to be big news."

Yet nobody else in baseball will have to live with that, despite the fact that multiple Hall of Famers have also cheated to accomplish what they did, including players like Willie Mays.
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DarrelSoccer Kid
1272 days ago
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Okay, the comment formatting is retarded here. We need spacing.
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DarrelSoccer Kid
1272 days ago
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nevermind, looks like we do have it. weird.
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SteaksammichRed-Shirting
1272 days ago
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I agree entirely. Bonds is a jerk, a cheater, and the greatest player that I have ever watched play the game.
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DNLLegend
1272 days ago
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Willie Mays cheated? I don't know what you're referring to, Darrel
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Bball3345Draft Pick
1272 days ago
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MJD... you are correct in why Bonds HAS been singled out but that is not the question. The question is SHOULD he be singled out even though he is no more guilty than Palmeiro or Giambi?
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DarrelSoccer Kid
1272 days ago
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DNL: Mays took amphetamines.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1272 days ago
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I don't think Bonds is being singled out. Rafi was disgraced. People still mock Giambi and Sheffield. Sosa is out of the game altogether. Players not named Bonds have been suspended for 50, 100 games. Indeed, Bonds has gotten off scott-free. Nothing has come of the fact that he cheated. I really can't believe that there are people defending Barry Bonds.
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DarrelSoccer Kid
1272 days ago
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Raffy was disgraced? Maybe, but no one's talked about an asterisk of his stats.

People still mock Giambi and Sheffield? Of course they do - they're Yankees. Everyone mocks Yankees. A-Rod hasn't cheated, except maybe on Derek Jeter, but he gets heckled.

Barry hasn't been suspended because he hasn't tested positive. Not hard to comrehend.
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XinophDraft Pick
1271 days ago
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A-Rod did cheat. Remember when he tried tobreak Arroyo's arm?
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XinophDraft Pick
1271 days ago
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Umm, I heard lots of people talking about an asterisk on Raffy's stats. You know, listening to sports commentary, and stuff. Tons of people. Loads of people. Also, the point stands that Giambi and Sheffield are two of the most mocked and disliked Yankees - perhaps the two most - and that's due in large part to steroids allegations, though their respective personalities certainly don't help.
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