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What Are We Protecting?

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by Somecheesewiththat

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell decided against letting Adam “Pacman” Jones participate in Tennessee Titans training camp, upholding his previous decision of preventing Jones from participating in any NFL games or practices this season. I completely agree with and support Goodell’s decision to ban Jones from NFL games for one year and hope that his stance against off-field misbehavior will “clean up” the league. But in my mind the league should be cleaned by helping out troubled players get on the right path and not by simply removing them. For this reason I can not agree with Goodell’s decision to ban Jones from practice.

First, I understand that the NFL can not “fix” every single football player by transforming them into Mother Teresas. There are certain guys who are bad guys and will never learn how to act. There may be instances where the NFL has to turn it’s back on a player, Michael Vick, if found guilty, could be one example of this. Rae Carruth is another one. Some guys do things that are so despicable that the NFL has no choice but to sever ties with the person.

In other instances, though, the transgressions are minor (in comparison to Carruth and Vick) and the player, while deserving punishment, may be pushed further down the wrong path by a severance from the league. Guys like Pacman Jones, Cincinnati’s Chris Henry, and the Packer’s Koren Robinson should be allowed to practice with their teams while suspended. At the very least the decisions should be made by their organizations and not Goodell. For guys like these football is the only positive impact in their life, the only thing demanding integrity and honor from them. When football is taken away from them the risk is much greater that they will fall further down the hole rather than choose good behavior (see Maurice Clarett). The simple reason is when you take them away from football they lose all of the people who cared about them and wanted them to be a better person. They are left to the people who were encouraging them to travel down the wrong path in the first place. Forcing these guys to miss half or all of a season is a substantial punishment, but preventing them also from practicing is a forced vacation and invitation to get into further trouble. It is obvious to us when are children are small that to keep them busy keeps them from causing trouble, but these adults who have already demonstrated a propensity to cause trouble are given tons of free time in which to work.

Goodell has taken a positive step by forcing these players to attend counseling sessions before being reinstated, but I believe these players would respond better to their coaches and teammates then shrinks. Peer pressure gets a bad rep, but it can also be a positive tool, just depends on how it’s used. NFL players who mess up are going to better understand the effect of their actions when forced to look into their teammates eyes and realize how they’ve let them down. Sure, training camps are open to the public and the NFL doesn’t like the image it creates to have Jones practicing. But the NFL should be careful not to go too far in cleaning up its image. While we should teach our kids that character counts, let us not teach them to turn their backs on friends who mess up, and people who need help straightening out their lives. I’ve always believed that one of our country’s greatest strengths is that we look out for the greater good of the nation while preserving the value of each individual. If football is to truly be our new national pastime then let it reflect this ideal. So please Mr. Goodell, don't just try to save face, try to save your players.


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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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People with behaviour problems need help. The team has money invested in them and could afford to provide assistance to protect their investment. Banning the individual completely does nothing but blow fake "badass" over the problem.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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And exactly what type of rehab program do you suggest for Mr. Michael Vick to "educate him" on the obvious problems with dogfighting - create a work release program as an intern for "The Dog Whisperer"?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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There is a place to learn basic human decency and common sense moral values - it is called CHURCH.
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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A church with it's molesting priesty-boys and two-faced congregants is no place to take children. And did Vick have a trial and get convicted today, or are you just part of the mentally challenged "court of public opinion"?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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No, actually I'm a member of the congregation for common sense with practical reading skills. Read the indictment (don't say you did after 30 seconds of reading this comment, but actually download the document and READ IT carefully). I don't give a damn what a bunch of lawyers do to manipulate the justice system on this matter. I don't. This guy knew full well what the hell was going on. Enough with this blind eye garbage that is infecting our society and giving every excuse imaginable to permit bad behavior go unpunished. Regardless of a legal verdict, Vick is a lower entity than any dog fecal content left upon his propery. And nice generalization condemning faith across the board by the way...
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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He did?

Or did someone say he did?

The trial will bring out the truth.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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Just like the O.J. Simpson trial, huh?
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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Did they produce enough untainted evidence to convict him?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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Trial law in this country has nothing to do with actual truth.
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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Yea, ask those two guys in Boston the FBI lied about and helped put into jail for 30+ years. On indictments that read remarkably like Vick's. And even though the government said they did it, they actually didn't.

The US DoJ is broken right now, from the lying AG down to the 4th-tier law school grads in key national and local positions.

None of which have anything to do with sports teams helping their employees to keep contributing to their respective teams.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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You are right Cobra. The system is broken. But please spare me the notion that Michael Vick is "innocent" on this dog mauling matter.
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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Nobody's shown me any proof.

I'm not saying he guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent, other than to be able to wait until a trial to see what happens.

I thoroughly and utterly detest and abhor the court of public opinion and will make fun of anyone who participates in it.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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And there lies our difference in opinion - faith in a "fair trial". Fair to who - the defendant? the victim? justice? Is that really achievable in media sensationalized "trail of the century" CNN mentality with attorneys now more famous than their celeb/pro-athlete clients that they represent? Don't underestimate the value of street opinion and general consensus. It is wiser than may appear.
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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Not that I've ever seen in my almost 46 years.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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Agree to disagree on that point.
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JamelAll-American
862 days ago
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I want to place this under Jam-Jam's random thoughts but what the hell- Vicks punishment should be that he has to dress up in the bunny outfit for the training for the police attack dogs- oooooo and eat a dog- Barry_patrol.jpg
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JamelAll-American
862 days ago
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Cobra this argument is as stupid as when people bitch about how Bonds has never done steroids- show me the proof- show me the ALIVE dogs???
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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Can you physically place Vick at the fights? Do you have verifiable non-doctored photographic evidence of either Bonds using steroids or Vick fighting dogs? I'm betting you don't.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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The MAFIA would love your defense arguments.
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JamelAll-American
862 days ago
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Well I don't- you see people who are into cockfighting don't mix well with people who do dog fighting- so we don't see eye-to-eye- are you freakin retarded? The proof is there- just wait- they don't do a federal investigation and charge for the sake of charging- shit you probably think OJ didn't do it- This is the nicest way I can say this- "Piss off" Cobra- if you want to fight for the sake of fighting go punch yourself in the balls
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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Now, now, we are all just talkin' and being civil...
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JamelAll-American
862 days ago
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I just hate retards Tyrone- hate them
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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I'm sorry, us folks with functioning brain cells like some facts to back up our diseased media speculation.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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You guys really going to do the "Battle of the Bigger Retard" contest? It is a difference of opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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Maybe you should have left Vick out of this conversation then, eh?  :-)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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Thanks for confirming the "winner".
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Cobras36Red-Shirting
862 days ago
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Look sweetheart, I was quite content to leave things where you left it....but if that mental midget wants to play, that's on him.....I'd almost found some respect for you in this thread.....
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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Better buy me dinner if you want to call me sweetheart!
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JamelAll-American
862 days ago
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Do I need to put up the pic about arguing on the internet- fine

arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

We will see- Vick goes free or goes to jail- loser allows the other guy to kick him in the balls
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JamelAll-American
862 days ago
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I never thought Tyrone was a bible thumper- wow- I run cockfights out of my basement- I don't see what's wrong with it- I deepfry them when it's over- that's okay right?- like hunting at least I eat them afterwards- now if Vick ATE the dogs I think it would have been okay but killing for the sake of killing is wrong- WRONG I SAY!!!!!!!!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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I'm not per say, but a lot of these wayward younger athletes would benefit reading a few verses out of the Bible. And I do agree with your King Solomonesque sense of justice there Jamel. Why not force Vick to eat those canine carcasses? Hell, Ted Nugent would help with the cooking preparations.
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JamelAll-American
862 days ago
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You kill it you EAT it!!!- so make the bible mandatory readings for these athletes- that won't work unless you READ it to them- for the love of god they only have a college education!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
862 days ago
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It's through the power of the Almighty and Overworshipped Bible, specifically John 11:35 that I can get through this Tampa Bay Rays season.
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JamelAll-American
862 days ago
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You are a DEVIL worshipper Manny- you are worse than me- a KKK member- DEVIL MAN DEVIL MAN DEVIL MAN DEVIL MAN SexySheDevil.gif
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
862 days ago
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Go ahead and ask Manny...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
862 days ago
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Hey, I've got the NFL on my back too...
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