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What's Race Got To Do, Got To Do With It?

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by Ufgators

  • Please excuse the failed attempt at a Tina Turner reference.*

What's the purpose of the " race card" in sports? Is it to further our ignorance and separation as a society? If I were to use the term "my people(s)" in describing, say, a group of white players on the Cleveland Browns, I would come off sounding as an ignorant, racist, white jerk. So, then, why is it acceptable for Stephen A. (The Inquirer), Scoop Jackson (The Leader), Mike Freeman (CBS), and a slew of other black gentleman, to refer to African-Americans as "my people" ? I know this idea has been dealt with before, but the thing that pushed my buttons is reading this from ESPN writer Scoop Jackson.

"A young black man at a public library had on a Michael Vick jersey one day last week. I walked up to him, thinking about my Bonds jersey. Said, 'You big for wearing that.' He simply said, 'Thanks.' Then, almost as an afterthought, he said, "I think he's guilty as hell, but I still got his back.'"

I fail to comprehend how, or why, the Michael Vick dog fighting allegations is now a black/white issue. Animal Cruelty is defined as "the treatment or standards of care that cause unwarranted or unnecessary suffering or harm to animals."

Nowhere in that definition does it mention race or ethnic background.

I researched on google the statistics that represent the amount of blacks in America that participate in dog fighting festivities. You know what I found?

Nothing. There is no website on the internet that has statistics to indicate that dog fighting is, in fact, a "black people sport". But, for the purposes of this article, let's "assume" that dog fighting in America is predominantly practiced by African Americans...

If so, then why does Michael Vick, who may or may not be guilty of dog fighting charges, have to have the backing of black people, and the hatred of white people? Of course, everything in the world is subjective, especially the view towards dog fighting (see: Clinton Portis defending Michael Vick), but dog fighting is generally thought of as a bad thing in society.

Mike Freeman, columnist for CBSsportsline.com, frequently makes use of the race card in his articles. He once wrote a column suggesting that Urban Meyer, coach of the Florida Gators, utilized the uber-talented Tim Tebow at the expense of then-Heisman candidate Chris Leak's playing time, and therefore his chances at winning the Heisman, because Leak is a black man.

In his Junior season at UF, Leak struggled with Urban Meyer's offense. Being that he was a drop back passer and not the ideal choice to run Meyer's spread option offense, Meyer tweaked the offense to tailor it to Leak's abilities after the Gators struggled throughout the first half of the season. Yup, sure sounds like Meyer has it out for his star black quarterback.

All I'm asking for is to stop making everything in sports black or white. Sometimes there can be gray areas, too. (I'm a talented pun-maker, didnt you know?) Just because an African American athlete commits a crime, doesn't mean that he should have the white community hating him, and a (majority) of the black community on his side. Likewise, if a white athlete does something stupid and finds himself in jail, we shouldn't have to endure a race war because of it. We have enough drama and hate in the world as it is, so why include sports--my only escape from the stressful world--in those discussions?

"Like" doesn't always have to stick with "like".

Or maybe, I just don't understand these instances because I'm white? I am far from the rich, white, jerky American that comedians such as Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock portray. In fact, many of my friends are black. But, maybe, as Stan from Southpark says: "I get it now : I don't get it. I've been trying to say that I understand how you feel, but, I'll never understand [...] I DON'T get it!"


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JuTMSY4Legend
843 days ago
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Gators...long time no see
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UfgatorsDiv-I Stud
843 days ago
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i know! I've been super busy but still trying to stick to my promise of writing an article every now and then :)
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
843 days ago
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Yeah!
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JuTMSY4Legend
843 days ago
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That's it, I'm making a fan tag to boycott these writers... I can't stand when we here racial references when, in fact, the concept of race rarely enters my mind with respect to...well whatever is at hand
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
843 days ago
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In this country, half of the English course is "Relating texts to their social and cultural backgrounds." I think this guy is like a lot of us do to get the marks - think of anything possible to make a "social and cultural" link. Almost like he has a tick sheet, and is going down it, and ticks the "social and cultural" box. Just like we do over here during English GCSE. I sympathise with why he does it. But I hate the whole concept of feeling he needs to do it in the first place.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
843 days ago
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The only time race has any sporting connertations are in very select circumstances, even if they suggest some are better than others.
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MegECass110AAA-er
843 days ago
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Totally agree with everything in this article. You might have already read this (it was ESPN.com's front page a few days ago), it's supposed to focus on the racial issues in the Michael Vick case, to me it just shows how racism still exists: http://sport...vicksatlanta
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JuTMSY4Legend
843 days ago
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I support my Mike Vick now about as much as I supported the Duke Kids over a year ago...not at all...
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UfgatorsDiv-I Stud
843 days ago
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haha that is funny, but its also a great example of "just because the (insert players name here) is my race, doesn't mean im obligated to support their screw-up." im not saying to not support vick, im just saying dont support him for the wrong reasons.
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JuTMSY4Legend
843 days ago
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Exactly...I support the due process of Mike Vick with respect to his legal obligations...he's innocent until proven guilty...although it isn't looking good... In the duke case...it worked out in a similar way...and i believe they're receiving some type of restitution...
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MegECass110AAA-er
843 days ago
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It sucks for the Duke guys, because even though the case was dropped. they will always have a cloud over their heads, despite the fact the did absolutely nothing wrong (unless you consider holding the party in the first place wrong).
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JuTMSY4Legend
843 days ago
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While I don't think the "Punishment" fit the crime, having spent the last 4 years of my life on a college campus, you take a certain risk when you put yourself in those situations, physically, mentally, socially and legally...
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UfgatorsDiv-I Stud
843 days ago
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MegECass: i included your link at the very top of the article (..."now a black/white issue") thanks!!
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Yakob878MVP
843 days ago
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ya ifeel for them to being falseley acused
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Yakob878MVP
843 days ago
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i meant i feel
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UfgatorsDiv-I Stud
843 days ago
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exactly! its cool to support them in that way--supporting them when they're in a bad spot and not all the evidence is in yet.
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SSreportersLegend
843 days ago
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Please don't make anymore song references. Now, What's Race got to do with it? It's still a major issue, and throughout the world, and it may never change.
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JuTMSY4Legend
843 days ago
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That's a great attitude!
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MegECass110AAA-er
843 days ago
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Yeah, someone's an optimist.
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UfgatorsDiv-I Stud
843 days ago
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haha thanks for the tip, but I never was good with titles! But I seriously hope thats not all you got out of this article ...
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SSreportersLegend
843 days ago
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I WISH it could change, but it isn't a perfect world you know.
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MegECass110AAA-er
843 days ago
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That doesn't mean we can't try to make it more perfect. Sure there is still racism here and around the world, but look back 50 years ago and tell me we haven't made progress.
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SSreportersLegend
843 days ago
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I agree, but didn't someone in another article just say it has gotten more subtle?
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Steel TownDraft Pick
843 days ago
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Personally I think this case shows just how much racism still exists in this country. You can't deny the video footage. There is a clear line in the sand and african-americans are on one side and white people are on the other. Do I wish it would chang? yes. But there is really not much we can do about it except that hope the next generation is less racist than the one before. Which I do feel has been happening for some time now.
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SSreportersLegend
843 days ago
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Gosh, finally someone agrees with me.
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The Nigerian NightmareSoccer Kid
843 days ago
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You cannot remove race from an inherently racialized context. Granted, on the surface, Mike Vick allegedly participating in dogfighting has nothing to do with race, but if you dig a bit deeper and place it in the context of a society that essentially created social divisions between people based on the color of their skin from its inception you get a different story. Yes, it would be great if we could all "not see race" or have it never influence our thinking, etc., but contemporary America still maintains some of these social divisions and they matter in peoples lives (see the high levels of residential segregation in all major American cities) and they continue to influence how we all think. Bottom line is White folks still do better than Black folks (at an aggregate level) on a whole host of indicators (class/money, health, education, to name a few). This is mainly due to two things, one historical discrimination that continues to matter today and two, contemporary discrimination which takes on a more subtle form. For example, instead of utilizing explicit hateful racial epithets (as folks did in the past), Whites use code words such as "urban" or "street" or "ghetto" to indicate that they are talking about Blacks. So, it is not as if racism is dead, it has just morphed into a different form. From my perspective, the reason (some) Blacks are supporting Vick is that they believe the man has been presumed guilty before he even goes to trial. This is unfair and they may view this as a continuation of discrimination against a Black man. It is not hard to see how some may feel this way if you consider these folks have likely, or know someone who has, been discriminated against.
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SSreportersLegend
843 days ago
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All you needed to do was click write TNN.
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JuTMSY4Legend
843 days ago
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We've had this conversation...ask tyrone...
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ASwaffAll-American
843 days ago
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"Yes, it would be great if we could all "not see race" or have it never influence our thinking,"


I agree with the second part, but not the first. Race shouldn't influence our thinking. However, when people act like they don't see race, they're flat-out lying, and they tend to be the ones who truly are racist. Like the people who divide school boundaries around the poorest section of town that also happens to be overwhelmingly Afican-American. I'm really supposed to believe that those boundaries have nothing at all to do with race, like they don't know the skin color of the people they're putting in those schools? Right. We need to stop lying to ourselves and acting like we DON'T see race. True, it shouldn't influence our thinking. But those who say they don't see race tend to be the same ones who grab their purse a little tighter when they see a black guy on the street. They just don't want to come to grips with what they truly are.
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SSreportersLegend
843 days ago
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I get 2 minusses for a joke.
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The Nigerian NightmareSoccer Kid
843 days ago
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Click write????
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SSreportersLegend
843 days ago
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It's just a joke saying that your comment was so long you could've written an article.
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The Nigerian NightmareSoccer Kid
842 days ago
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Ah...I am new to the armchair world...now I get it
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ASwaffAll-American
843 days ago
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I think most people tend to support those with whom they identify. Sometimes it falls along racial lines (like African Americans with Vick), sometimes it falls along religious lines (like Latter-day Saints who feel a need to support Mitt Romney), sometimes it simply falls along geographical lines (as with Kornheiser's man-crush on Billy Joel). I agree that it shouldn't be a racial issue, but I do think that there's a bigger picture to take in here, and that's a recognition that people tend to support those with whom they identify. I fully agree that a person is innocent until proven guilty, and I fully agree that it's shameful that a person would have the support of those who think he's guilty, just because they're the same race. However, I'd also say that it's every bit as shameful when a person gets the support of those who think he's guilty just because he plays for the team they like (as a Titan fan, say, might defend Pacman Jones).


I guess the point I'm trying to make is, even though I agree that this is not a black/white issue, it's not ONLY a race issue. Support of bad people with whom a fan might identify is rampant in many ways. It's not only along racial lines.
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UfgatorsDiv-I Stud
843 days ago
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definitely a great point, ASwaff! So this whole identifying issue is not only a sports-race thing, it reaches beyond that. Obviously for something like this to change, it would be extremely gradual, over the course of many, many years. but is it possible to change basic human nature/ tendencies to identify with your own religion, race, home town team, etc??
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ASwaffAll-American
843 days ago
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Well, I don't think that it necessarily HAS to change. People finding comfort in those who are similar in one way or another IS human nature. We break off into groups. That only becomes a problem when the group is either isolationist, or when that group supports its members despite they're being horrible. I don't think we need to stop relating to those with whom we identify, we just need to be smarter about it. We need to realize that, like you said, guilty is guilty is guilty is guilty. We need to be able to stand up and say, "as a matter of basic human principle, I will not stand up and defend bad people."
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ButterwoWaterboy
843 days ago
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Nigerian Nightmare's on the money here. The original post starts from an unstated assumption that everyone's equal, so why make the Vick dogfighting story a racial issue? But to suggest that whites and blacks are valued equally in America is to trust the illusion of the American Dream and to ignore the realties that TNN points out. It is easier for many in the media and so-called "mainstream" America (note: much like "ghetto" = "black," "mainstream" = "white") to vilify Vick because as a black man (who signifies hip-hop, no less) he is prefigured as criminally suspect. In other words, white men in America get the benefit of the doubt that accompanies the "innocent until proven guilty" ideal (and yes, I recognize the Duke lacrosse case as an important exception). Meanwhile, African Americans and other racial minorities are all too often assumed guilty until proven innocent. There is a long and sad history in this country of equating the "black athlete" with animals and savage behavior. Vick is an unfortunate heir to this legacy.
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Ea34Div-I Stud
843 days ago
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I totally agree with Nigerian Nightmare. I think the historical precedent of discrimination in this country has created an environment of distrust of "the system" among all minority groups. What compunds this problem is the fact that our country's "leaders" are either unwilling or unable to affect any meaningful change. I think the resolution to the issue of race in this country will have to come from the ground level, one person at a time. It's the responsibility of everyone who spends time with young children (parents, aunts/uncles, siblings teachers) to help these kids grow up in a world where all men really are created equal. There is no quick fix to this issue, but we can definitely strive for improvement with every generation.
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ASwaffAll-American
843 days ago
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There's no quick fix, but an easy fix that would be a HUGE step in the right direction would be abolition of mandatory minimums. We have to show more trust in the justice system to distribute even-handed justice. It's kind of like the issue with those two border patrol agents. A lot of people are up in arms about it, but NOBODY is talking about the mandatory minimums on sentencing that landed those guys such a harsh punishment. In the state of Texas, reckless discharge of a weapon carries a minimum sentence of 10 years. When you look at that, you have to realize that their sentence wasn't excessive. They were actually handed the MINIMUM punishment. The true problem in this case is the mandatory minimum. When we do away with those, we do away with a lot of the distrust and a lot of the uneven justice in the system (like the gross disparity between mandatory minimums for powder cocaine versus crack).
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UfgatorsDiv-I Stud
843 days ago
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I agree man, but how can each successive generation improve, if the current generation isn't being educated as they should? By that, I mean, educated that you dont have to stand up for someone just because they're the same race as you. I'll refrain from repeating whats been said before, but each generation cannot improve unless the current generation wises up and makes logical, well-researched, rational decisions.
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Ea34Div-I Stud
843 days ago
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I agree. And I think the best way to move in that direction would be to focus time, manpower and financial resources on improving this country's educational system. By this I mean not only improving educational facilities in the country's underprivaledged neighborhoods (and by that I don't mean "black", i really mean all impoverished areas where the educational system is in disrepair), I also mean that cirriculum in more properous areas should include "socialization" classes (for lack of a better term) designed to discourage prejudice and bigotry in young children. But then we step onto the slippery slope of asking teacher to not only teach, but to parent as well.
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