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Water Cooler:Was it classless or unsporting that LeBron James didn't shake hands after Saturday Nights Game 6?


I will present the argument that LeBron James has committed no wrong doing in walking off the court Saturday night. First lets breakdown the situation and some outlying factors. For example, to form an educated opinion on the matter you must first asked yourself a few questions:

  • Is it EVER okay in your mind, Youth, NCAA or Pro to not shake hands after the game? Why or why not?

Obviously this is a short debate if you say it's never, ever okay to NOT shake hands in any situation.

  • Is there anything the Magic could of done near the end of the game for LeBron to lose respect for them as an opponent?

In other words were the Magic showboating and taunting the Cavs? I would consider Dwight Howard last second 3 pointer a form of showboating.

  • Is there a history of this behavior by LeBron James in the past?

The answer to that is yes. He has once before walked off the court before the game was over.


So what do you think? Is he within his rights to walk off the court? Or is he some sort of jerk whose out to show your children it's okay to pout and walk off the field/court without shaking hands? I'll start off my side of the debate (which I already wrote in response to A QQ in another article but felt should be moved here.


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SSreportersLegend
184 days ago
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I think it is classless somewhat, especially with his reasoning after the game. But it's blown out of proportion. I don't think it has anything to do with being a sore loser as much as it has to do with him giving a visual representation of his teammates in this series.....nowhere to be seen contributing on the court.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
184 days ago
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Were you and everyone else so forgiving when Belichick shook Mangini's hand but it wasn't heartfelt enough for the haters out there?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
184 days ago
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Rawbee if I had it my way Coach B could take a dump on the opposing coaches lawn while reading the Boston Globe if that's what he felt like. The NFL is way to touchy.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
184 days ago
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LASB, If he felt like it'd give him an advantage, he would.


There was also a firestorm of hatred when Belichick didn't realize the Super Bowl clock hadn't hit 0, and he shook Tom Coughlin's hand early.


I guess my point is that anyone who gave Belichick crap should also be giving LeBron crap. And it's ironic because a major hub of Belichick hatred is Cleveland, Ohio.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
184 days ago
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I have to call BS on LeBron shaking hands. If this was a HS game, or a Youth Game, any non-professional game, I would expect the hand shake. But as LeBron put it, he's paid lots of money, and puts lots of passion and emotion into obtaining a goal. When you fall far short of that goal, and get your ass handed to you in the process, you shouldn't be required to in that highly emotional state shake hands.

This isn't even to mention that Dwight Howard threw up that BS 3 at the end of regulation and caught a glare from LeBron that we usually only see Kobe shoot at Vlad Radmonovic. LeBron was exhausted, emotional, and pissed off, I'm glad he removed himself from a situation that he could of only effected in a negative fashion.

I hated that all the ESPN talk shows other then Mike Tirico demanded that LeBron shake hands with (of all people) Dwight Howard after the game. Now I only played NCAA level sports, but even at that level if I get beat down by another team and then they toss it to their center to chuck up a "blow me" 3 pointer, I'm tell them to F-off and heading to the locker room. It's not unsporting, it's at least no more unsporting then what Dwight Howard did.
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SSreportersLegend
184 days ago
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Not that I disagree with you.....but I find it ironic you're talking about this when Sasha Vujacic did the exact same thing (but he made his) against the Spurs AND it covered the spread. ;-)


Suspicion.....
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LASportsblogAAA-er
184 days ago
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I didn't condone Sasha's either and while I would of ripped him for it... he's dumbass Sasha Vujacic, I expect him to do dumb things, and no one cares about him or what he does.
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SSreportersLegend
184 days ago
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Ah but you will care about him when he's open in the corner missing a wide open three!
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LASportsblogAAA-er
184 days ago
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touche
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
184 days ago
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But as LeBron put it, he's paid lots of money, and puts lots of passion and emotion into obtaining a goal. When you fall far short of that goal, and get your ass handed to you in the process, you shouldn't be required to in that highly emotional state shake hands.


Yet somehow all those other NBA players, when they've faced elimination this year, have managed to shake hands with their opponents. Why was it so hard for LeBron?


And if he got caught up in the anger of the moment, then fine. But his remarks in response to this have almost been to glorify what he did.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
184 days ago
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So I'm confused Rawbee, are you upset at what he did? The Context in which he did it? Or just that it's being blown up after the fact?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
184 days ago
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I'm in the middle on this one. I'm mad at the excuse making for him. I'm mad at the people wanting to crucify him for it.


He screwed up and did something lame. That doesn't mean he is classless or a sore loser. But what he did was lame. It deserves mention, and perhaps a wag of the finger, but then it's time to move on.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
184 days ago
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We've seen athletes do so much worse, so I don't think it's that big of a deal. That being said, he did act like a whiny brat by walking away and pouting, then not talking to the media.


I'm not saying he is a whiny brat, just that he acted like one. But it's time to get on with all of our lives.
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
184 days ago
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You guys would rush off the court too, if you had to let your muppet out of the locker for air.


/Just saying
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
184 days ago
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Plus he might have been put on hold by the operator, waiting to order his new Canadian shock absorbers.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
184 days ago
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so THAT's where LeBron gets all that chalk!?!!? He kicks it with his muppet.
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A QQVarsity
184 days ago
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LASB, Should I even answer this one? :P

Anyway, I didn't lose respect for Lebron, I am kind of with Rawb on this, it's nothing to crucify the guy but it was a bit amateur-ish of him. But hey what's done is done.

I still think that sportsmanship conduct should always be promoted.. it's what separates the men from the boys..

I am disappointed that's all..
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LASportsblogAAA-er
184 days ago
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Reflecting on my own playing experiences in college I will agree with you on sportsmanship as it relates to respect for your opponents efforts. I've disliked opponents and said unrepeatable things to them on the field. However, if I truly respected their effort on the field, as a soccer player, I seek out the players I went directly against and shake their hand and let them know I respected their effort. Because at the end of the day, as Tony Montana said, all you have in this world is your balls and your word; your respect and your honor.
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A QQVarsity
184 days ago
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I totally agree, you are a great person LASB, I will give you that one ;) That's a quote I will memorize right now..
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LASportsblogAAA-er
184 days ago
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And all in all, I think I've been defending LeBron from the over-reaction much more then I have from my own principles. As an athlete although I said I've wanted to leave the field, I never have without showing my respects. Even in matches where I haven't featured I'll go pay respects to players I admired.
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RomiezzoLegend
184 days ago
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Is it EVER okay in your mind, Youth, NCAA or Pro to not shake hands after the game? Why or why not?

Well, when answering a question like this, I always think to myself, "What would you do in the situation?" To me, winning and friendship/respect are almost equal (winning just a little more important). As a former team captain of Kuwait's national baseball team, if I didn't shake the opposing captain's hand, as well as the coach's hand, I'd feel like I'd be a bad sportsman and not showing enough class.

Now does this mean that I believe that LeBron is wrong for doing what he did? Of course not. It's not necessary to just walk off the court. However, it means a lot more to shake hands after a game than to not shake hands. When shaking hands, it shows the utmost respect to whoever you're shaking hands with, whether it's because they played a great game, you wishing them good luck in the NBA Finals, or maybe even just a quick congratulations for beating the team. It's a class act, always. When one doesn't do this, it's not wrong, in my opinion, because it's not necessary. I'd just feel bad if I was LeBron right now...
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JuTMSY4Legend
184 days ago
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I don't wanna get into this (because I don't care), but I know I've got a big enough mouth that I want to say my piece.

If this were a hockey game, everyone would shake hands...or at least make the effort. The camaraderie of that sport dictates as such (though there are exceptions amongst players).

In LeBron's case A) He's 24 B) He strikes me as the kind of guy who probably went right to the shower and vomitted - sick over what just happened. I understand that.

It doesn't excuse the lack of sportsmanship but it helps you understand it. Most of you guys are young (younger than me even) - you may think you wouldn't do this or that - but you don't know until you're in that situation.

Again, it doesn't make it right, but I can empathize
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
183 days ago
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I just think it's not too hard to shake someone's hand after losing. You don't have to be sincere, or nice. It's extremely easy to do it.
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JuTMSY4Legend
183 days ago
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maybe that's something you learn between being a 24 year old NBA star and a 50+ year old NFL coach?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
183 days ago
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LeBron James is not the first athlete in a team sport to refuse shaking hands with an opponent at the conclusion of a game/series. Bill Smith of the Islanders was notorious for refusing to shake hands - win, lose or draw. It is a matter of acting like a professional and showing respect to your opponent. Facing defeat and how to handle disappointment is part of the gig. James is a tremendous talent on the court however it appears he does have a bit of a maturation process to still complete. And this is small potatoes when compared to the past plight of his puppet colleague during that little ordeal in Colorado....
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
183 days ago
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Refusing to shake hands win or lose would be different. If LeBron NEVER shook hands, even when he won, I wouldn't be as slightly pissed as I am.
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CheezerAll-Star
183 days ago
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I think you should shake hands with your opponent. Ideally, it would be out of respect for a well fought match, but that respect must come from within. If you can't do that, just go through the motions if you must. At least that will be an indication of professionalism.

I'm concerned with how he (and others) have tried to justify his actions by saying that he is a passionate competitor therefore he is somehow excused. Does that mean that everybody who shakes hands are somehow less competitive than LeBron James? Not likely. They're just more mature.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
183 days ago
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That's what pisses me off too, Cheez, the fact that he tries to almost glorify what he did, and his supporters doing the same. As if he's such an intense competitor that if he shook hands after a loss, he'd rip the other guy's fingers off.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
183 days ago
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This is why the "debate" section is awesome and can really help support this site.
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JuTMSY4Legend
183 days ago
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Hmmm I think it just clarified the lines. Over time we've kind of talked ourselves into a point where all the regulars had certain criteria for articles (and expectations for each user based on prior work).

The lockerroom never really seemed like the place to just shoot the shit and articles were sometimes cumbersome just to shoot the shit about something sports related.

So yeah, I agree (ugh). But I think it was more a product of us limiting ourselves.

Props to FP for setting it up though and hopefully we can make some headway with Wikia (???) to add it to the site in a more permanent fashion.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
183 days ago
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I know this is already written but special thanks to False Prophet and others for creating this new AGM feature. The comments and ideas expressed on this thread are also quite impressive.
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False ProphetAll-Star
183 days ago
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Yeah I'm really happy with the way this is turning out. Another 1-2 of these type of debates and I'll talk with wikia.

Anyways, here's my take:

What Lebron did was poor sportmanship. No question. However, in the same way that I didn't mind that Belichick did the same thing, I don't blame Lebron. Both of them chose to remove themselves from a very emotional and heated situation (and what was more classless was that 3 pointer. That shit is disgusting) instead of letting it escalate into something bigger.

Also, Lebron is 24, and is one of the faces of the NBA. I mean, look at him. At 24 he's expected to make the Championship on his own, be the best player in the league, and show the maturity of a seasoned vet who's close to 6 years older than him. He's still basically a kid and has a ton of room to mature.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
182 days ago
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It is close to the pinnacle of poor sportsmanship. Especially considering he is one of the faces of the league. Way to go King James. You just taught a generation that if you really try hard there is no reason to man up show respect to your opponent and the game itself. But, what's worse is all of the excuse making for him. HE IS NOT A KID. He is 24. Grow up Lebron.
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