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WILL ANYTHING BE LEARNT FROM SEAN'S DEATH?

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by Jamel

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So here is another death of another young athlete who plays in professional sports...

R.I.P. Sean Taylor- I will continue to pray for you and your family- you are in a good place now:
 "His father called and said he was with Christ and he cried and thanked me": Taylor's former lawyer. 

Will anything change? Will anything be learned throughout the NFL? Or the NBA? Or even MLB and NHL? Probably not! And that's a shame. What's it going to take for the upper powers in professional sports to step up and to accept the responsibilities they have.

From yahoo sports: "Taylor's death comes nearly a year after Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was killed in a drive-by shooting following an argument at a Denver nightclub on Jan. 1. University of Miami defensive lineman Bryan Pata was shot to death in November 2006 several miles from Taylor's home in an unsolved killing."

So what responsibilities do these owners/managers/coaches have? Well they have chosen (yes chosen) to draft young men and women and hire them (yes hire them) into their business (and yes sports is first most a business). As soon as this happens I believe they should be held accountable and mentor these young kids (yes they are kids). Football and basketball take young men out of their elements- from nothing to "BAM" millions and millions of dollars. And it is the OWNERS/MANAGERS/COACHES responsibilities to mentor these kids and shadow them into a healthy conversion into this new lifestyle-- as the saying goes- "you can take the "nigga" out of the 'hood but you can't take the 'hood out of the "nigga"-

So what is it going to take? Should their be legal action against the owners and teams if mentoring and counseling isn't provided? Where should it start?- college is the answer- not high school but college-- college is the first step out of the norm' surroundings these athletes first encounter. Colleges need to start prepping these athletes for what they are going to encounter in the big leagues-- and who should fund these costs- MAJOR LEAGUES!!!- yes the NFL. NBA, MLB and even NHL should be paying for these programs at the college level-- why? Because they have everything to gain--. Start at the college levels: make it mandatory that all athletes go through this program and start making a change. Once the player is drafted it is up to that team to continue the process-- perhaps a veteran player needs to take in a rookie for the first 2 years (yes actually take him in and have that player live with them)- whatever it takes!! Sound ridiculous? Sound drastic? Drastic times take drastic measures and what's going on now certainly isn't working. Tyrone brought this up and yes I kind of blamed him for trying to stereotype Sean-- but one thing he is right is that programs need to be set up and set up fast.

God Bless you Sean-- R.I.P

And for the higher ups in sports- wake the FACK UP and let's make them survivors.

What the hell is wrong with the world?


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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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It is not the teams fault for what happened to Taylor. Your job does not track you and your movements 24/7 if they do, then you need a new job. Taylor is just another example of a guy whi was unable to leave his past, and to leave his homme.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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If we are to take anything away from the tragedy of Sean Taylor it is people need to look for the warning signs. If his teammates or management knew someone made an assault on the Taylor household just 8 days ago, someone should have stood up and told him not to return to that house alone.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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When you take a kid wiht a trouble background and bring them into a new life YES THEY NEED TO BE MONITORED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ASwaffAll-American
736 days ago
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True, my employer doesn't track my every movement 24/7. And I don't think that's what Jamel is suggesting. I don't agree with all of the points he's making, but I'll say this - my employer may not track my every movement, but they do a drug test and a criminal background check to find out about what kind of employee they're getting. It's an even bigger concern when you're in a high-profile field like professional football. I'd have no problem with a team hiring private investigators to find out what kind of players they're getting. It's akin to what EVERY employer does, just taking extra precaution because extra precaution is needed.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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How can you possibly disagree with anything I am saying in this case
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ASwaffAll-American
736 days ago
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Because of what I said below. I think it's in bad taste to use a player's seemingly innocent death to preach about the need for the NFL to babysit its players. I don't think the Redskins organization is to blame for this. HOWEVER, I agree that players should be monitored. I just think, based on the evidence I have so far, that that idea doesn't really seem to be an issue in this case.
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Amilke60Div-I Stud
736 days ago
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Jamel...people have their own opinions just as you do. We are entitled to them and have just as much a right to state them as you do. You're ideas about mentoring are perfectly fine and well thought out but the problem is that you can't force someone to do something that they aren't going to do. If they want to get their life straight, as ESPN has reported that Taylor was doing they will do it themselves. You can't force anything on anyone if they don't want to change.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Could possibly define "learnt"?
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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U know I write like this just to irritate the english folks
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Who are you irritating? "Learnt" is absolutely a word that is more apt to be used by an English person than an American. Same for "Spelt" in lieu of "Spelled".
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Can we stay on topic please?
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Jamel is asking for the comments to stay on topic? Ironic comment of the year, folks.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
736 days ago
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"In lieu" - love that phrase! :)
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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When are people supposed to be held responsible for their own actions?
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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You can't have it both ways guys-- I'm not talking about any of this-- just that these kids go thru programs in the college level funded by the professional organizations and to be mentored the first years in-- See here's another example- a kid dies and everyone goes boo waa waa-- people scream- "something needs to be done"- yet when someone brings up a solution everybody backs away... typical
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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I was talking about you.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Sadly Taylor has a history that shows there was a good chance that something like this could have happened. That doesnt make it any less tragic, but it is the truth.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Funny Manny- funny-

And to BigPPup- I wouldn't be surprised it over 50% of black athletes when looked into it have a history identical to Taylor-- hell I'm sure none of us really knew Vick would turn out to be such a douchebag-

Manny- professional athletes who get drafted are kids-- kids-- not adults but kids-- sports is a business-- and when these business hire these kids they have to be responsible for them
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Youre right Jamel, sadly a large number of black athletes suffer from the same problem that Taylor did. Those who knew Vick and his family knew that he would struggle. Granted I didnt prdict dog fighting but he has that same background.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Look, Jamel. I was a student athlete at a college in a VERY rough neighborhood. They had people in to speak to ALL of the athletes (women's teams too) routinely to warn us of the dangers of society - sex, drugs, gangs, violence, etc.

Don't come off as if you have answers to problems when THEY ARE DOING the things you suggest. You don't know jack shit about this guy's life, what he went through and you think you have the "solution" - You can't MAKE people listen to what you're telling them. Or maybe even YOU would be a rational, reasonable human being. No matter how many dead bodies I show you, you're still gonna do drugs, get laid and drink and drive. Because you, and pro athletes and like too many other young people - you think you're invincible and it can't happen to you.

It's up to people to make decisions for themselves.
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Amilke60Div-I Stud
736 days ago
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Look at these articles on ESPN.com and read what his teammates are saying about him in the last year since his daughter was born. This is really sad. http://sport...y?id=3129406
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Manny you didn't grow up in a rough neighborhood- not like some of these kids- don't even try to compare--

2nd I'm not talking about Sean nor saying he is guilty of anything 3rd- I'm not saying I have the solution- I'm just sayin that whatever they are doing right now isn't working and that something new needs to be done

4th- are you having your period today?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Not a "rough neighborhood", huh? Take a stroll around Broad and Diamond Streets in North Philadelphia sometime, asshole.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
736 days ago
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I thought "asshole" wasn't allowed here?
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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You guys live in a bubble- seriously- open your eyes and see what's going on in the world
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
736 days ago
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If you wanted to seriously open your eyes Jamel you wouldn't be screaming for reform that affects a handful of overpaid athletes. You would be screaming for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people a day all over this country.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Uhm last time I checked this was a sports area- and yes things do need to be changed in the world- however- you need to start somewhere- why not start here? Why not start with making a difference in a professional sports league- what if Goodell set an example for everyone else and started paying attention to what really matters- the players- the people who play the game- not the game- our priorities are so facked up we don't know what's important anymore- and yes this is a world issue- but you have to start somewhere- and it looks like the NHL might lead this parade- something needs to change!!!
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
736 days ago
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You said "open your eyes and see what's going on in the world", not me. And why not start with sports? Because it affects such a small fraction of society it's not even funny. And if you think that we need to fix sports and then society then "our priorities are so facked up we don't know what's important anymore", as you so aptly put it.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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What now? emperor_bush_dictator_quote.jpg
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Players need to learn to seperate themselves from their surroundings. Meaning sometimes you just cant go home.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Easier said than done BigPPup- easier said than done-- growing up in the south side and for me actually making something out of myself-- sometimes my past comes back and finds me-- but I'm old enough to handle it now-- but at 19, 20, even 21 I'm not sure I would have been
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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I completly understand Jamel, I grew up in the rural south, not ghetto but plenty of other setbacks that have claimed many friends of mind. Its not easy to make a life changing descision. Its not easy to walk out on your past andahve all your boys call you a sell out and an uncle Tom, but sometimes you have to do it. Sometimes its okay to be the one peg that stands up and stands out above the rest.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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South side of Madison?
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Yeah but these are still kids who are only 19,20,21-- you have to go with statistics here-- sure certain players have done excellent jobs are removing themselves from troubled pasts and going on to live excellent lives-- but others aren't or don't have the well power
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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If "your boys" gotta drag you down to make themselves feel better then you need new boys. I left PA under very similar circumstances and moved to AZ. They all bashed me for selling them out and leaving and I bash them (and pity them) for giving me every reason to leave.

Some have died, some are in jail, a bunch are on meth, crack or heroin and many I'll simply never see again - and I honestly don't care. And these were "my boys" - people I GREW up with! I still talk with one friend from PA. One. And I tell him every conversation - Get Out of there, get away from those people dragging you down!

I have a house and a wife and 2 awesome kids - 4 things I never would have dared to dream for with my convoluted circle of "friends". They still have the same old same old misery. I barely even visit anymore because I moved on and they still treat me like they always did.

You have to live YOUR life, not your friend's lives...
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Manny's right (damn I hate saying that) SOmetimes you just have to do that. I went to school in Cinci becauseI knew I couldnt stay in Va. If I had I wouldnt have ammounted to anything. I cant tell you how many times I heard "Dumont thinks he somebody now" "Dumont is all high and mighty now." And yeah it sucked. I lost a lot of long time friends. But at 24 I am a lot happier living where I live and doing what I do now, and when I see them still on the same porch drinking the same cheap beer, it makes me happy to know that taking all the ridicule was worth it.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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And good for you guys- a percentage of players will figure it out and make the changes-- but you guys are the exception not the norm-- we need to focus on those who aren't making the right decisions
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Steel TownDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Look at the Pittsburgh Penguins. They drafted Pierre Larouch and he had it all. He was playboy and he knew it. Well, he partied to much and never really reached his potential. Years later, the pens drafted a man named Mario. They had learned their lesson with Pierre and they had Mario live with a team mate for his first few years. This is a tradition that the Pens use to this day. Crosby lives with Mario, Malkin lives with Gonchar, and Staal lives with Recchi. These kids are too young to be left to their own devises. Most of us in here that have grown up and moved on did not do it by ourselves. The thing is, in sports, when you move on your are usually transplanted far away from the typical support structure that most of us were afforded.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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And these kids aren't involved in gangs and violence like I dare say some of the kids who get drafted in the NFL and MLB Good for hockey- they seem to be getting things right eh?
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Doesnt Sindey Crosby still live with Mario Lemux? My point is hockey does get it right. Often times they do have a young rookie living with a seasoned Vet and have him mentor and lecture. Very Very smart move.
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Amilke60Div-I Stud
736 days ago
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Great options and this should seriously be looked into for other sports.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Now we just have to have mentors for the veteran players who are going to mentor the rookie players :)
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ASwaffAll-American
736 days ago
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I'm gonna wait for everything to come out about this before I make any judgments. There is some oddity to this alleged break-in, but how are you gonna judge a guy if it turns out that someone actually just broke into his home and shot him? That's not his fault, and it certainly has nothing to do with his troubled background. IF it happened they way we're being told it happened.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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It really doesn't matter nor do I really care if Sean was involved in anything that lead to this-- it doesn't change anything-- there is a problem and this problem needs to be solved--
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Yes, the world DOES need to be rid of senseless violence! You are so wise, Jamel! Preach on, you have all the answers!
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ASwaffAll-American
736 days ago
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I agree that they need to do something about these athletes dabbling in the dark worlds in which some of them seem to be dabbling. I just think it's in poor taste and poor judgment to use a death that appears, for now, to be an innocent one to get up on your soapbox and make a point.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Baby jesus doesn't love you
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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That's how things change-- and for the record most players don't go DABBLING into this world- they were born into it already-- you got it backwards
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ASwaffAll-American
736 days ago
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I didn't get it backwards. What I meant was the players that are given the opportunity to leave that dark world by getting a high-paying job, but continue to keep a hand in there. And I'm not talking about guys going to visit their families on the bad side of town for Thanksgiving. I'm not talking about guys that might have a shady brother in law. I'm talking about guys like Michael Vick and Pacman Jones, who have the opportunity to get out, but can't leave that kind of lifestyle behind.
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Hit By a PitchVarsity
736 days ago
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In theory, I agree with what you're saying here and in an ideal world, I think teams should take some responsibility for the well-being of their players. That said, what about the parents? They're the ones who should be raising these guys so they can function as independent adults. It's not fair to shift the responsibility they failed to someone else -- and they've failed if they raise a kid who becomes a college or professional athlete, can't handle it, and gets into trouble. Also, to be fair to Darrent Williams, the Yahoo quote mentions an argument in a Denver nightclub. Darrent's only involvement with that argument was trying to break it up and make peace. He was a good guy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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CRS-ONEVarsity Captain
736 days ago
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The parents should obviously have a role in their well being. The teams should take a more proactive role, as they are investing so much into the development of these players already. Please don't think I'm being cold, but it's a matter of economics. If you had a steel mill that kept getting robbed/broken into, you would definitely put out some money and effort to protect it. Team owners should be doing the same. They should be putting together a mentoring system at the very least.
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ASwaffAll-American
736 days ago
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First of all, I totally agree with what you're saying about parents. I don't know how you hold a team legally and financially responsible because they had a player for 2 years when the parent had the kid for 18 or more. We're not holding parents legally responsible for screwing up their kids, and I don't think we should do the same with teams, unless you can prove real, malicious intent.


Secondly, in the case of Darrent Williams, being in the wrong place at the wrong time is kind of what we're talking about here. By mentioning that he was involved in an argument at a strip club, I'm not making any judgments of his character. I'm sure he was a good guy. But these good guys need to stop being in the wrong place at the wrong time. No need to be at these strips clubs at 2 AM. These guys need to be smarter about who they're associating with and where they're going for their fun.
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ASwaffAll-American
736 days ago
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A player down here at UT had that problem last year. Terrell Brown was a passenger in a car with a former UT player who was under the influence of marijuana. Later that year, he was arrested when he was riding in his cousin's car, and his cousin had some drug paraphanelia. Brown didn't do anything directly wrong or illegal in either circumstance, but he was dumb to put himself in these situations.
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Hit By a PitchVarsity
736 days ago
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Darrent Williams wasn't at a strip club. He was at a plain old Denver club for Kenyon Martin's birthday party/New Year's Eve. Brandon Marshall was the one involved in the argument. Honestly, I still hold that against him.
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ASwaffAll-American
736 days ago
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My mistake - sorry. I saw nightclub and read it as stripclub for some reason. Possibly some subliminal thought at work...hm, what does that say about me? Haha.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
736 days ago
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The parents??????!!!!! Sorry but looking at a high percentage of black athletes in the NFL and NBA parent's aren't involved nor honestly do we want them to be involved-- plus Look at the hockey situation-- mostly white nice kids but who are 18,19,20 years old- they are going to listen to a veteran player before there parents- plus the parents aren't even 100% aware of what is going on nor what will occur in the near future- regarding the money, houses, lifestyle, etc etc
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Amilke60Div-I Stud
736 days ago
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So basically you are saying that this is all a race issue and we just need to eliminate everything that is involved with racism? Great call.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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No- but statistically black kids come from rougher areas than white kids-- sorry but that's stats- that's why the NFL and NBA need to make the most changes and do them fast
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TehLokiVarsity Captain
736 days ago
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I think you're a low-class idiot. Tyrone, you went at it with me, but this one is valid, you ebtter set him in his place.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
736 days ago
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For every black kid that messes up in the big leagues, you can find 20 kids from the same type of neighborhoods that don't mess up. It's not about race, it's about maturity.
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Nola ChickWaterboy
736 days ago
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by these "nice white kids" in the NHL, are you referring to say Dany Heatley who killed his teammate in a drunk driving accident? seriously, there is no stat ANYWHERE that says one race is more prone to listen to their parents/teammates than another race. it all boils down to the people these individuals surround themselves by. and like Steel Town says, it's also about those who are mature enough to make the right choices. And as for jamel's statistic, you're completely wrong. there are actually more white kids living below the poverty level, on welfare, and in bad neighborhoods than black kids, not that any of that has anything to do with anything. this isn't about race, it's about choices and influences.
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TehLokiVarsity Captain
736 days ago
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Amen to that. Fact of the matter is, as the generations go, the newer ones seem to be less mature than ever...
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Hit By a PitchVarsity
736 days ago
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Anonymous/Jamel, I'm saying that the parents need to do their job when these guys are growing up, not when they're professional athletes.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
736 days ago
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If you leave the major cities in Canada, you know what you find? Poor people, that's what you see. There is a reason why Canadian money has, until now, been valued at about 3/4 of the American equivelant.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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We aren't talking about drunk driving-- drunk driving is from people make a bad mistake--- they are plenty of "good" people in the world who have mad one bad decision which ended in tragedy- let's not compare apples to oranges
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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and what I'm sayin is that some kids who play in the NFL and NBA don't have parents-- especially parents that they should be looking up to
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Hit By a PitchVarsity
736 days ago
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Do you mean they literally don't have parents, or are you saying that their parents sucked?
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Does it matter? Just cuz you can stick your penis into a vagina and make a baby doesn't make you a parent
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Actually...technically it does make you a parent. It doesn't make you a good/bad parent...but by definition that is what you are.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Sorry- you have that wrong- anyone can produce offspring but you have to "raise" your child to be a parent- again, why are we debating this??? This is fackin dumb
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Hit By a PitchVarsity
736 days ago
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So you think when people pop out kids and do a crappy job raising them so they grow up to be involved with drugs, gangs, and other assorted stupidity, it's reasonable to expect the people who hire these guys to take responsibility for fixing the problem?


Your proposed solution (make professional sports mentor these guys and fix the problem) is too little, too late.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Because you are making blanket statments.

par·ent /ˈpɛərənt, ˈpær-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pair-uhnt, par-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. a father or a mother. 2. an ancestor, precursor, or progenitor. 3. a source, origin, or cause. 4. a protector or guardian. 5. Biology. any organism that produces or generates another. 6. Physics. the first nuclide in a radioactive series. –adjective 7. being the original source: a parent organization. 8. Biology. pertaining to an organism, cell, or complex molecular structure that generates or produces another: parent cell; parent DNA. –verb (used with object) 9. to be or act as parent of: to parent children with both love and discipline.

TO PARENT is what you are talkign about. A PARENT is something that procreates.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
736 days ago
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I don't think it is ever to late to attempt assisting a person.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Yes- because this is something you can actually CONTROL-- you can't control who your douchebag mother and father are going to be-- you can't control where you are going to grow up and in what neighbourhodd and circumstances- but colleges can CONTROL who they allow into their programs and can TRY TO MAKE A GOD DAMN DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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I agree that things need to be monitored, but this seems like something fromt he past that came back to bite him.

Taylor's home was broken into 8 days ago, nothing was stolen and a knife was left on his bed.

He was injured, not travelling, so he talked to the 'Skins and said that he needed to go home and find out what was going on. While sleeping someone cuts the phone line, breaks in. They wake up and he goes for his machete (kept for protection...I have a bat...) and when he turns around the man is in the doorway and shoots him.

All the reports say that Taylor had become more mature since he had his child, and to speculate that HE did something is wrong and just plain sick.

Until I hear otherwise, he was faultless, the team is faultless and the NFL is faultless.

The fault lies on the man who premeditated this murder.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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I don't think you can blame the NFL or the Redskins for Taylor's death. I think primary blame belongs to the person(s) who pulled the trigger. You could also blame Taylor for staying in an unsafe environment, then again people stay in unsafe environments all the time. I hate this blaming crap that goes on when something terrible happens. It's like we have to find a scapegoat or some sort of reason that bad stuff happens. Most bad stuff doesn't happen for any reason, it just happens. There was no reason for Sean Taylor's death. Young men and women have been dying senselessly since there's been young men and women.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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I'm not blaming anyone for Sean's death nor am I blaming the NFL or the Redskins- but something needs to be done to help these young kids and it isn't getting done
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Isn't that part of the Rookie Symposium...which Taylor skipped?
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TehLokiVarsity Captain
736 days ago
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THen jamel, go talk to the kid's parents. It's not entirely the NFL's or the teams job to babysit them. By the time they're signed and drafted they've hit a certain maturity point they learned from their parents. You try changing someone.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Can you guys look outside of the box here? Eliminate Taylor from the equation- this is still a problem and things need to change- for white players, black players, yellow players, green players, purple players, rich backgrounds, poor backgrounds, with parents, without parents, it doesn't matter- they are still kids entering the big leagues and they need guidance- jesus christ I can't believe this is a fackin debate
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Jesus Christ- it's not up to the parents-- the leagues should be taking some responsibility-- or-- fine-- nobody is allowed drafted into any major sports league until they are 21
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Why stop at athletes, Jamel. What about everyone? GO solve the world's problems! Go'on, git goin'... You're wasting all this precious time being so intelligent, resourceful and eloquent "talking" about it at your keyboard when you should be out there making a real difference!
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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how is it a problem with players? This happens to people every day and just because this guy has a face that we all recognize we should NOW change something? You are taking a small pewrcentage of things that happen and making an epidemic. Yes there needs to be some sort of mentorship to help poor kids that become insanely wealthy deal with that (ie Mike Vick), but even if you take Taylor out, this is a much bigger problem then in the NFL or sports. this is a problem in the world.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Manny- you really are a douchebag- fine go live your life with your head up your ass-- fine by me-
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Entertainment industry including sports is the only major thing I know that can take a poor kid and make them instant millionaires- and this is a sports "blog" so I'm relating it to sports
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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I'm glad I'm not a millionaire.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
736 days ago
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I don't think anyone is trying to place blame here, we are trying to find solutions, No?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
736 days ago
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All professional sports should have a peer mentoring program to assist the young athletes through their transition/adjustment from amateurs to pros.

This does not (should not) imply anything racial. It is a common sense issue. Pro sports should be looking out after their younger athletes. And more often than not, it is the veterans/retired athletes that understand best what pressures exist when moving up to the pros.

Would such a program have prevented the above mentioned tragedies (Taylor, Williams)? Who knows? But it would be a proactive step forward.

With nothing left to lose and everything to gain, why the fuss?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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They do this already. Steps are taken, measures are put in place, hell they get curfews! As I stated above, they do this STARTING in ALL D-1 NCAA sports. From the moment they get drafted they are told what to do, what to expect, what to keep your nose out of. That's what the D-League in basketball and minor leagues in baseball and hockey are ALL about - readying the athlete to be professionals. At some point people MUST take responsibility for THEIR actions and choices - That is LIFE, not just life as a pro athlete.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Exactly. The argument here is that the league and team need to do something...but that is like saying that "video games are at fault for people killing others". Free will people.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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If you think that Pro teams invest MILLIONS of dollars in these players and ignore their personal lives, then you are very naive and foolish. Ask Elijah Dukes (who is a great example of people ignoring the truth of the situation and blowing the story out of proportion for the glory of sheer ignorance) how often the Rays are up his butt. They are, but they can't watch him every minute of the day... and THEY SHOULDN'T.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Yeah. They do what the can, but the can't do it all. Should Joe Gibbs have gone home with Taylor? Slept on the floor of his room? Can only do so much
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Manny- it isn't working- it isn't- they may have things set up but they aren't working- things need to change
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
736 days ago
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This is not about telling someone "what to do". This is about listening first hand of the experiences from an older peer (veteran, retired athlete, etc.) to help avoid/prevent pitfalls associated with pro sports. And it should be formalized into an official program .
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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I could be wrong but I think Tyrone is also sayin a change needs to be made-- you guys don't read what people write- you only look at who wrote it
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Tyrone - we had a Philly native and former ABA basketball player speak to us as freshman athletes. He lost an arm to infections resulting from a heroin addiction. He lost an eye in a prison fight after getting busted with coke. Then after he got out of prison the first time he OD'd and spent more time in the hospital before turning back to drugs. He was 6'9" and 6'5" - he had one leg shorter than the other becuase he was run over by a drug dealer's car after a bad deal and had surgery to fix his shattered femur. He had been shot a few times, too. And he spoke to us about the dangers of SUCCEEDING in sports. How everyone gravitates to you with temptation when you're rich and famous.

Like I said - there ARE good people trying to help all of them. To say there isn't enough being done is foolish. People have to choose to stay out of or get into trouble. And famous athletes have plenty of REAL LIFE examples all around them.

Don't blame sports teams for society's ills. And don't do it ESPECIALLY just because it fits YOUR agenda.

And for the millionth time, we still don't know the whole story.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Manny- they need more than a dude who comes in once and lectures about the bad things that can happen- I am talking about introducing a mentoring program- where a veteran player who has his shit together mentors the new guy for a year- maybe 2- like what Nola said the NHL is doing- that's all-

But you can't be serious saying that enough is being done in professional sports and that a mentoring program isn't needed- that something different isn't needed- that what is in place is enough- it isn't?

Lastly- it's interesting how Tyrone was giving tons of thumbs up for saying Goodell needs to step up and I"m getting minused for saying the same thig-
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Seriously I never knew this entire site was filled with people like this-- seriously most of you who have commented here really are only here to talk about things- not make a difference- and to Manny- I am making a difference in the world- I mentor and help kids with troubled pasts- I am trying to do as I preach- When you handpick a kid like colleges do they have made a DECISION- they have made a CHOICE- they have decided that they are going to adopt this kid and put them into their program- this is the first step where things in the world are under someone's control!!!- this is where the difference can be made!!! this is where that kid can survive!! this is where we can mold this kid into being a great citizen! this is where this kid can get out of who knows what situation he/she was placed into when he was born! this is the opportunity! and to waste it is wrong! and to say there are already programs- fine but they aren't working!!!! What is wrong with all of you!
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Jamel. 2 points:

1) these are our opinions, if you don't like that, sorry, but we let you have yours.

2) The "decision" to bring these kids in is one of the reasons schools like Washington bring in guys like Tyrone Willingham: To make them better people. Your statements are very generalized, and that is what I have the problem with. There isn't an epidemic. If there was 5 players every week getting in fights and getting in gun battles then yes there would be.

Placing the fault on the team and the NFL is wrong. If there are things in place that aren't working, then yes, they should change them, but to think they don't is naive.

And unfortunately schools pick these kids to WIN, not to make them better people, and that is a problem that stretches across the country. That is how it works. My brother is a great kid, but he isn't a great football player so he won't get recruited.

In the WIN NOW attitude of sports, it is hard to get a school to try and create solid people.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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"Doing as you preach"? You don't even know what you're preaching about.

"Things need to change" with teams when a guy gets shot in his home during a robbery??? Excuse me, What? "Things need to change" with teams when Darrent Williams gets hit by a bullet while riding in a limo... What?

You "Practice what you preach" - I guess that means you douche a lot.

Apparently you don't mentor any kids with mental disabilities - do you "retard"? What do you mentor these troubled kids with - porn?

You are truly a joke. Like canned laughter without a lid.

You are so unaware of your own self it is truly a remarkable feat.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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I wrote the freakin article!!!! I can have my opinion.. yeah because I wrote it! Lastly- your number 2) stance and your last paragraph (not sentence) contradict themselves
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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All of this coming from a professional blogger- unbelievable
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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"I wrote the freakin article!!!! I can have my opinion.. yeah because I wrote it!"

-Which is what I said...I was saying that you aren't letting us have our opinions. (IE: What is wrong with all of you!)

How do they contradict themselves? If you say it, tell me how...

And why do you feel that I am attacking you? Isn't this a discussion. You and Manny may have your issues, but I have YET to call you a name or mock you.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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I never said you did attack me-- ouch- stop attacking me- dam that really hurts--

Okay- it just seems like you wrote that some colleges are picking kids to make their lives better but than you wrap up by sayin that they don't care about the kids they care about winning-

And someone wrote that this is a bigger issue than sports- of course- that's why I finished my article with "What's wrong with the world?"-
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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I stated that some schools DO bring them in (Washington) but GENERALLY acrtoss the country, schools don't care about character. Which is why I am happy that the Seahawks bring these guys in. Then kids can see that you need to be upstanding to make a team. i was commenting on you comment: What is wrong with all of you, not on the world. You are askign us what is wrong with us for our opinions on certain things.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Yeah some of you are pretty facked up- seriously- some of you are- some of you have no idea what really is going on in the world and live in your little box- scares me
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Some of US are pretty facked up? I like "high and mighty Jamel" slightly more than "high and softcore porn Jamel" - at least he's funnier.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Again. If you are going to generalize, be prepared for others to do the same
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Afraid- you don't think you are facked up than don't lump yourself into this category- believe in yourself- if another poster said you guys were all douchebag losers I would think he was referring to others and not me- like MJD and Manny (and Kenrick)
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Oooo- I'd be hard core porn if I was allowed to be- this is getting too serious- here we go pillowfight8.jpg
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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Well I have to go and take a shit- nice talking with all of you And I guess I got my answer to my article- it's obviously a NO- thanks for participating- have a good lunch
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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We will learn something eventually - maybe the WHOLE story, even.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
736 days ago
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I really don't understand the controversy over a rather simple suggestion of creating an officially recognized peer mentoring program.

Attempting to lay blame upon anyone or institution is not going to bring back Sean Taylor. Hell, the details of what exactly happened have yet to be released to the media (let alone investigated). All we really know is that Taylor was tragically murdered in his home.

A lot of emotion seems to be stemming from this thread which I actually believe to be of merit. It shows people care and are passionate about their position on this topic.

Just something to consider here and please bear with me as I attempt to explain. The more mentoring these young athletes receive from those who know and understand (former athletes, veterans), hopefully the higher in probability that a positive change occurs in a troubled kid.

Regardless of what that younger guy may or may not believe (because our perspectives and self-image change as we mature), he is a role model to kids that aspire to be just like him.

Too often in sports, athletes are asked to be "tough" and this is interpreted not to be open about problems/pressures off the field. Would you want to discuss those type of matters to your employer? Probably not. But how about to a peer who was willing to listen? Perhaps.

And it is that "perhaps" that can possibly help prevent young guys making bad decisions (no this is not in reference to Sean Taylor).

One of the greatest lessons that young athletes can pass down to kids is the ability to open and admit to needing help. And it just MIGHT help end a destructive pattern of young athletes making bad decisions with life ending consequences.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Well said.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
736 days ago
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Thank you Ed.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
736 days ago
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no problem. i agree that we need to mentor, but it is too much of a generalization to say that it is everywhere, etc.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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So what you're sayin Tyrone is that what needs to be done is to introduce a program that will mentor rookies-- hummm.... Okay I really need to shit
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
736 days ago
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Because Sean Taylor was a veteran that would have been one of those mentors?
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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No- just because you are a veteran doesnt' mean you should be one of the mentors- So you are sayin that Sean was a stand up guy who didn't get into any trouble on or off the field?
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Steel TownDraft Pick
736 days ago
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I believe what is being said is that Taylor could have used a mentor when he was a rookie, Perhaps.
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Mattchase32Soccer Kid
736 days ago
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Such a tragety. RIP Shawn Taylor
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
736 days ago
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In Year 1 of my Madden '05 game, I traded for Taylor to play at FS. By Year 3, he was a 99. Since Madden is obviously gospel on this sort of issue, that is the sort of player Taylor could have become. I remember once when he returned an INT for 101 yards to score a TD against the Bears to break what was a tie game... It may only have been a game, but it's interesting to think I will never be able to do the same come Madden '09.
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CheezerAll-Star
736 days ago
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It's touching stories like this that bring a tear to my eye. Seriously though. To lose such a young life is a sad tale.
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JamelAll-American
736 days ago
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I'm not sure how to take this Alex- yeah that must suck that he won't be in Madden '09...................................
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MegECass110AAA-er
736 days ago
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First of all, my thoughts and prayers are with Sean and his family.

Second of all, I feel like a mentoring program would do some good. But it certainly would not cure the NFL, any other sport or society of senseless violence. We don't know a lot about this case, but if was just an act of senseless violence, then a peer mentoring program probably would not have made a big difference. Senseless violence, is, obviously, senseless. And Sean was just another victim, if that's the case. While I think some people have made assumptions that this has something to do with his past, and it very well may, it seems as though he'd made significant progress in separating himself from it.

It is of note that Taylor was fined for skipping out on the league's mandatory rookie symposium. Peter King's article points out many players found this symposium helpful in transitioning into the league.

Another thing...no matter how many times people say it, these players are men, not kids. It's all the more tragic that Taylor was 24, but he's a man. He had a job, a daughter, a home, and it seems as though he was really becoming a "man". Their actions may sometimes suggest otherwise, but these guys are adults.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
736 days ago
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Actions are exactly what makes one a man or adult.
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TehLokiVarsity Captain
736 days ago
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Can't we just ban Jamel, he's not shown me one intelligent post at all. Just give me his IP so I can have his ports nuked and he cant access the internet :(
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SSreportersLegend
736 days ago
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No no Teh, we don't like getting RID of the problem for a week. We wait until it gets out of hand to ban someone.
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TehLokiVarsity Captain
736 days ago
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But if I nuke his ports he has no internet access :(
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JamelAll-American
735 days ago
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Who is this douchebag?
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KelsdadAll-Star
736 days ago
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Why did Jamel write this article? Christ, is there anyone less qualified?
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SSreportersLegend
736 days ago
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HAHA!!! Comment of the day.
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SSreportersLegend
736 days ago
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A minus 2 for that?
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MojodogSoccer Kid
736 days ago
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I don't think anyone has the answers. The issue is so broad and hard to put a finger on. Would a mentoring program have saved Sean? No one knows what really happened so the mentoring talk, while valid, might not even apply to this situation. The reality is that you hear on draft days about teams "taking chances" on guys with "character issues".(ie Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips)Those guys were beasts on the field. But also had serious character flaws that simply can't be fixed by some rookie symposium on being good citizens. In somes ways the NFL rookie orientation could be said to be in place to protect the image of the league not to "help" anyone. Many teams across pro sports don't care as long as the player helps them win. They are willing to take the chance if it means a ring, a trophy , the playoffs, etc. The full story is not known about Sean Taylor. Regardless, it makes it no less tragic. Even if it turns out that this was some sort of retribution for something from Sean's past, it is still tragic. A New father and someone who by all accounts so far seemed to be turning a corner...Things like this in all walks of life always leave us asking two things. Why? And what can be done to prevent it in the future? For me, my heart goes out to all affected.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
736 days ago
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Awesome comment Mojo.
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MojodogSoccer Kid
735 days ago
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Thanks Tyrone.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
735 days ago
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Post more! We could use some mojo at the 'Chair!
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Cougar2000All-American
734 days ago
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Okay, kids... it's learned. Learnt is from Britain. Check the Oxford English Dictionary if there are any more disputes. My take on this whole thing is this. There was a break-in eight days before Taylor was shot, thus, the same person or persons that broke in the first time probably did the deed this time because they had a better lay of the land and was looking for something to fence for drugs. I'm not a cop, so this is just a theory. I am in the hope they catch the person or persons and they get it to the fullest extent of the law and then some.
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