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Victor Zambrano: The Gift That Keeps on Giving

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by user DNL

Black Friday, as it is called in Mets circles, is known to the rest of the world as July 30, 2004. For some reason -- or some drug-addled hallucination -- then-Mets GM Jim Duquette shipped off uberprospect Scott Kazmir, for a ne'er-do-well project named Victor Zambrano.

The immediate reaction was both swift and harsh. The 2004 Mets were not truly competitive; their minor uptick in the standings was a function of luck and variance. Even if they were competitive, a nearly-ready Kazmir was probably as good, if not better, than a mediocre and inconsistent Zambrano. Nevertheless, the Mets pulled the trigger on what immediately went down as one of the worst deals in Mets history. (And remember, this is a team that gave away Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi and Tom Seaver for a bag of mice.)

Zambrano, in his defense, is not a bad pitcher. He's decent. A career ERA of 101. At age 30 -- even if he has only been in the Bigs for four years -- we probably know what we are going to get out of him -- 150 to 180 IP and a 4.20 ERA, artificially low due to Shea's ballpark effect, but factoring that in, league average stuff. Certainly an acceptable fifth pitcher; maybe even a #4.

Unfortunately, both the Mets and their fans are comparing him, understandibly, to Kazmir. Kazmir is also an acceptable back of the rotation starter -- but he has the upside of a true #1, is still in his pre-arbitration years, and is significantly younger. Oh, and he's a lefty.

For Mets fans, this comparison means than, unless Zambrano suddenly turns into Carlos, he's persona non grata at Shea. For management, well, it means that VZ is going to be an integral cog in the Mets system come hell or high water -- and maybe even then.

As such, the Kazmir-for-Zambrano faux pas keeps costing the Mets. The pigheaded managment strategy ("We'll show you," they said, shaking their fists) has, to date, given us Mets fans two futher presents under the Zambrano tree, in addition the Kazmir in a D'Ray uniform we've all come to know and loathe.

Jae Seo, Los Angeles Dodger: Duaner Sanchez may turn out to be a big asset for the Mets, but the fact is that a solid starting pitcher -- especially one at Seo's price point -- is worth more than a solid relief pitcher. Seo was traded partially to make room in the rotation for Aaron Heilman. But this lack of room problem is a fiction. The Mets rotation, before the trade (and assuming that the Kris Benson deal would have occured anyway) was Pedro Martinez, Tom Glavine, Steve Trachsel, Zambrano, and Seo. Zambrano, however, is an inferior pitcher to both Seo and Heilman. The way to make room was obvious -- move Zambrano to the pen. Or, rather, keep him in the pen -- VZ spent most of the end of last season there.

Perhaps Mets management simply panicked, fearing that Billy Wagner could not hold down the fort by himself. Moving Heilman into the rotation in favor of Zambrano would further weaken the pen. So, the trade may be slightly justifiable. But only slightly, especially when one considers how foolishly short-sighted it was, as demonstrated by the Third Zambrano Gift.

Aaron Heilman, Releif Pitcher: Brian Bannister, Starting Pitcher, is probably a good thing. Worst case scenario, he gets bombed a few times and returns to Tidewater Norfolk. Ideally, he suddenly makes us forget all about that Roger Clemens guy. Most likely, though, Bannister is a decent back of the rotation starter for a full year. That is, he's Victor Zambrano, plus some upside. Kind of like Jae Seo, but maybe not as good.

And again, that's a good thing. The problem is that he's replacing the wrong pitcher. Zambrano should go to the pen (or another team); Heilman should get the #4 spot in the rotation. After all, the Seo trade makes the pen strong enough where Heilman's presence isn't needed (and no, I'm not buying the "but we lost Juan Padilla" baloney).

Now, Heilman is disgruntled, and probably will creep toward demanding a trade. Even worse, a pitcher who may be one of our top three is penned up. It makes one almost wish for an injury to a starter not named Pedro. After all, none of us want to see Heilman in a Devil Rays uniform, as one ArmchairGM contributor has rumored to be in the works.

Indeed, the Mets irrational love affair with Victor is turning into an ever-growing lump of coal, insofar as fans are concerned. At some point, Mike Pelfrey and Phillip Humber will be available. Let's home that management finally decides to cut its losses, before those two young guns can be

added to the list.


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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1351 days ago
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I know I am in the minority but I still don't hate the trade. I think Zambrano is the 2nd best pitcher on this team. He demonstrated this during a period last season where he was unhittable for about a month and a half. The fact is that the Mets did not get fair value for what Kazmir's perceived value was, and that is taken out on Zambrano, such as last season where no matter what Zambrano did it was never good enough. But Kazmir is a mirage. He is not a legitimate # 1 starter. He is only a #1 starter because he plays for Tampa Bay, a team that actually lost to my 8 year old nephews little league team. Kazmir will never be a legitimate #1 starter and will be a closer, perhaps dominant, within 5 years. And its not like Kazmir hasn't had problems with walks.

Also, I don't know why you would post this article after Zambrano pitched great in the WBC and in spring training. Jae Seo and Aaron Heilman are back end of the rotation guys at best. They don't compare to Zambrano. Zambrano has the stuff to be a #1 starter when Pedro and Glavine are gone. I think this will be the year that the Zambrano haters will finally be forced to stop. He will win at least 15 games and be in the top 5 for Ks.

If Humber comes back from injury, our rotation could very well be, in order, Zambrano, Pelfrey, Humber, Heilman, and Bannister. Not bad in my book. But like I said, I am in the minority.
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DNLLegend
1351 days ago
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"Zambrano pitched great in the WBC"? He had 2.7 IP. You can't tell much from that, but if it was good, it was good in a relief role. He has been damn good this spring, but again, we're talking 11 innings, not 150, and only one start.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1351 days ago
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If Z keeps his walks down he will be pretty good.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1350 days ago
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"If Z keeps his walks down he will be pretty good." If I grow a big long penis, I'll be a porn star.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1350 days ago
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Even without knowing you I like Z's chances better than yours. Good luck with that though.
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ASwaffAll-American
1350 days ago
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Mets, being the second-best pitcher on the Mets pitching staff is like being the second-best hitter on the Devil Rays. Definitely not something to write home about. The Mets need something better than Zambrano to help out a staff whose two best pitchers are about 6 years past their prime.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1350 days ago
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6 years past their prime? Pedro seemed to have a pretty good season last year
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ASwaffAll-American
1350 days ago
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A pretty good season isn't the same as prime. That's why I said they were past their prime, not past the point of being able to pitch effectively. After all, Glavine had a pretty good 2004. Remember, he was in the All Star game, had a phenomenal ERA through the first half, only to fall apart in the second half. Yes, Pedro had a very good year. But 15-8 with a 2.82 and 208 Ks is a far cry from his prime years from 1997-2000. However, I will grant you this - I forgot about Pedro's 2002 season. That was a great year. So, he's not 6 years removed from his prime. That was an exaggeration. He's just 35, injury-prone and not getting any better.
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DNLLegend
1350 days ago
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Regardless of the comments above, you should put out your five best starters. If you include Seo in the mix, Zambrano is #7.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1350 days ago
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DNL that is simply not true. Seo at best is a borderline 5th starter. The proper order is Pedro, Zambrano, Glavine, Heilman, Bannister, Trachsel, Seo. This hatred of Zambrano has to end.
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DNLLegend
1350 days ago
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It's not Zambrano hatred. His career ERA+ is 101. He's basically league average. His only above-average season was his rookie season, when he was working out of the pen. He's 30. There's no reason to think he'll ever be anything other than a mediocre starter.

Seo, on the other hand, is 28 and had a stellar half-season last year. His 2003 season was better than any of Zambrano's season as a starter. There's simply no evidence that Victor is better or ever will be.

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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1350 days ago
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Say what you want about Zambrano...I think Pujols hitting two home runs off of him (and one off of Pedro) today speaks for itself about the "strength" of Mets pitching
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ASwaffAll-American
1349 days ago
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DNL is right. I'm not one to keep railing on a guy when he's down, but you can't keep talking about a 30 year old that's currently a sub-number 2 starter as a future number one. If he hasn't hit his stride by 30, he's probably not going to hit it. It's just a simple fact of life. And again, just because Zambrano is the second best pitcher on their staff doesn't mean he's good. Their staff is incredibly weak. His status says more about the other pitchers on the staff than it does about his talent. That said, I have to disagree with Anyomous Fanatic. Pujols hitting three homeruns off of Mets pitching says more about Pujols. It's no secret he's a great hitter. You can't ream every pitcher he's gone deep against.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1349 days ago
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Chris Carpenter. Enough Said.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1348 days ago
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No you can't ream every pitcher Pujols goes deep against, but you can ream a pen that gives up three to him in one game
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ASwaffAll-American
1347 days ago
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Well, if you want to talk about an entire staff, sure, I could agree with that. Their staff is weak, and giving up three homeruns does indicate an overall problem. But what you said took me back to someone saying that Jose Lima sucked because he gave up Mark McGwire's 68th homerun. Who didn't McGwire hit a homerun off of that year? That didn't indicate that Lima sucked, his ERA did.
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