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Top ten catchers of all-time

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by user Steaksammich

Who are the top ten catchers of all time? Please, comment, and let me know. I'm only 25 and not much of a student on the history of the game so I'd love to hear from some who know more about the history or can remember baseball before 1992. Even though I'm not expert, I figure I'll at least try to put together a little list. Also, if you have a story or know some facts about any of these players, now is as good a time as any to add to their bio. Or just drop a comment and I'll add it to the bio myself.

1. Johnny Bench - Bench played 17 seasons, all for the Cincinnati Reds. Most would put Yogi Berra ahead of Bench on this list, but besides AVG, Bench has the edge in most categories. He was a better power hitter, drew more walks, and had much better defense. From 1970 to 1977 Bench reached at least 40 homers twice and hit at least 30 two other times. He struggled in two of his prime years, hitting .238 in 1971 and .234 in 1976, but had at least 104 RBI in the other 6 seasons when he was in him prime. He hit .300 in his career just once (.309 in 1981, but he didn't play a full year) and his average was always fluctuating, but the rest of his game makes him the top catcher of all time.

2. Yogi Berra - Berra is known for his "Yogi-isms" such as "99% of the game is half mental" as well as being one of the best catchers to ever play the game. Berra spent 18 years with the New York Yankees (also spent his final year with the New York Mets in 1965, getting 9 AB's) and finished his career with 358 HR's. He had 10 straight years with at least 20 HR and 80 RBI showing remarkable consistancy and durability for a catcher. His best season was in 1950 when he hit .322 with 28 HR and 124 RBI. He was the starting catcher for the Yankees in 14 World Series and has 10 rings to show for it.

3. Mike Piazza - A lot of people misunderstand me when I say this, but I'll say it again. Catcher is the least important defensive position on the baseball diamond in terms of who a team has back there. I'm not saying that the catcher isn't important. He's involved in every play and every pitch. He touches the ball more often than anyone on the field other than the pitcher. He's a big part of the game and an important player on the field. But the difference between one catcher and the next isn't nearly as great as the difference between shortstops or centerfielders. In other words, the defensive difference between Ivan Rodriguez and Mike Piazza isn't nearly as much as the difference between Ozzie Smith and 2004 Edgar Renteria. You're either a catcher or you're not one. And a bad catcher won't cost his team as many runs or as many games as a bad shortstop. That is why, despite the fact that he is a bad defensive catcher, I believe Mike Piazza is one of the greatest players to ever put on a catcher's mask. He has slowed down in recent years, but with a .311 AVG and 397 home runs, it's obvious that this guy was an offensive force.

4. Carlton Fisk - Fisk played the game for 24 years. He spent 20 of them as a full time player. In 19 of those 20 seasons he reached double figures in home runs. There were years when he was completely unspectacular and there were few years where he was actually a star, but for 2226 games spanning 24 years, the man squatted behind the plate. He was never a liability and was always there to help his team win. He leads all catchers in many categories including games caught, runs, and total bases.

5. Ivan Rodriguez - Pudge was on 12 All-Star teams. He won 11 Gold Gloves, 10 of them coming in consecutive seasons from 1992-2001. He has 7 Silver Slugger Awards. And, to round out his trophy cabinet, he won the AL MVP in 1999 when he hit .332 with 35 HR and 25 SB. Rodriguez and Piazza have been the top two catchers of our time and they are both among the greatest of all time.

6. Mickey Cochrane - He wasn't much of a power hitter, with only 119 homers for his career, but he finished with a .320/.419/.478 line. For those keeping score, the AVG and OBP are higher than Piazza's. His defense was poor early on in his career, but he got better as his career went on and he always had a good arm. He also has 3 World Series rings.

7. Roy Campanella - Segregation started his career late and a car accident ended it early, so Campanella played only 10 seasons. He hit at least 30 homers in 4 of his 10 seasons and his 1953 season where he hit .312 with 41 HR and 142 RBI was one of the best ever for a catcher.

8. Gary Carter - Carter was a gold glove catcher with power. He won 3 Gold Gloves and hit 324 HR. He made 11 All-Star teams and won 5 Silver Sluggers.

9. Bill Dickey - He spent 17 years in the majors as the catcher for the Yankees. In his peak he had 4 straight seasons with at least a .300 AVG, 22 HR, and 105 RBI. He finished his career with a .313 AVG and made 11 All-Star teams

10. Gabby Hartnett - The best season of his Hall-of-Fame career was in 1935 when he took home the MVP by hitting .344. He would finish his career with a .297 AVG and 236 HR.


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Wed 05/17/06, 6:49 am EST


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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1291 days ago
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I think Jorge Posada could squeak on to the list in future. I must say, I am not too big on baseball history, and I thought Yogi Berra was a character on Huckelberry Hound... Or the guy that invented TV... You have the top 10 batters statistically, hence Berra behind Bench. But I think it takes more than a good batting average to make a catcher the best. He needs to be the joker, the looney that Berra sounds like (from what I've read). The Catcher position is something I agree with. In cricket, the old-style traditional wicket-keepers (the equivalent of catchers), that were able to field brilliantly, but not bat much are being replaced, by wicket-keepers that can bat well, even if their wicket-keeping isn't up to scratch. The team is gambling that they will score more runs than the wicket-keeping errors cost them.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
1291 days ago
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I disagree with the argument that their is not a big difference between who a team has behind the plate. Piazza and Rodriguez have thrown out 414 and 536 base stealers, respectively. However, Piazza has allowed 1334 successes, while Pudge has allowed only 574. So basestealers have stolen at a rate of 76% off of Piazza, while only 48% off of Pudge. The large difference in steals adds up over time and hurts the teams runs against.
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Awrigh01All-Star
1291 days ago
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how could piazza be third on the list? He should be first . . .
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
221 days ago
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idiot. You kidding me? No glove, no arm. Bench and Josh Gibson 1 and 1A.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
91 days ago
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piazza shouldnt even be on here
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1291 days ago
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But, 'Bball3345', does Piazza make up for it in his batting more than Rodriguez? Piazza's batting is better than Rodriguez's batting, so over time, the fielding-batting discrepancies will cancel each other out.
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DNLLegend
1291 days ago
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I disagree with your statement the catching, as a defensive position, in unimportant. However, I think the basestealing aspect is overrated. A catcher has to do other things well -- catch tough pitches, block the plate, handle pitchers, sometimes call pitches, etc. -- that are defensively important, but not considered in the basestealing numbers.

I'd put Carter higher and Fisk lower, too.

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SteaksammichRed-Shirting
1291 days ago
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Alex - Posada is going to have to keep it up for at least another 5 years to crack the top ten. So far in 11 seasons he still hasn't cracked 200 HR and here in New England he has the nickname "Passed Ball Posada" for all the pitches he lets by. (on a side note, does anyone know where you can find the all time leaders for passed balls? I go to baseball-reference for my stats most of the time and they dont' have it)

Bball - You're right that there probably is a difference between the very top tier and the very bottom tier. That's about 750 extra bases that teams were able to get on Piazza that they weren't able to get on Rodriguez. They've both played about 15 years so that's about 60 extra bases a year, a pretty significant number. But in 2004 Edgar Renteria had 30 errors. That's about 28 plays he didn't make that Ozzie Smith would've made. And that's not taking into consideration the fact that Renteria's range wasn't very good either. Smith probably could've erased 50 batters from even reaching base in a year. A catcher is probably more important than the guys at the corners, but I think a great defensive guy up the middle (second, short, and center) is a lot more important than the guy behind the plate.

AW - A great case could be made for Piazza at the top of the list. By the time he's through he'll probably be there, if he's not already.

DNL - I think most catchers will catch the tough pitches and block the plate. The passed ball numbers from one catcher to another don't usually vary all that much (unless you're Josh Bard catching Tim Wakefield). I'd like to see an extensive study on the catcher's effects on ERA though. I've seen some stuff from guys who took glimpses at it and from what I've read they think the effect of a catcher on a pitcher might not be as much as we think it is. But I haven't really seen anyone get too in depth with it
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SteaksammichRed-Shirting
1291 days ago
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Dang...There weren't any breaks in my comments. I guess leaving a blank line doesn't work the same in comments. Does a line break work?



Test. Or is there no way to leave spaces in comments?
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SteaksammichRed-Shirting
1291 days ago
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OK, line break worked.
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ASwaffAll-American
1291 days ago
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I also disagree on the importance of a good defensive catcher. You've got to be able to help out your pitchers by framing pitches well, and Piazza is one of the worst in the game at that. You've got to be able to call a good game. That's why the Astros love Ausmus so much - he calls one of the best games of any active catcher. You've got to be able to throw out baserunners. That where Javy Lopez always killed the Braves. He brought a great bat, but it he didn't have Andruw Jones backing up all his overthrows in center, do you know how many runners he would have allowed to get to third on a routine steal? Defense is incredibly important at catcher, and Pudge has put up numbers later in his career worthy of putting him higher than you did. Piazza should be fifth.
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ASwaffAll-American
1291 days ago
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Sorry, I meant to say that Pudge has put up offensive numbers later in his career worthy of putting him higher. He has batted over .300 in 8 out of the last 10 seasons. And he was at .297 in one of those two years that he was sub-.300. He has four seasons with 90 or more runs, six seasons with 80 or more RBIs and five seasons with 20 or more homeruns. I'm not saying it puts him in a league with some of the great hitting catchers, but he's not like the Ozzie Smith of his position. He's not an elite hitter, but defense isn't the only thing he has going for him, either.
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SteaksammichRed-Shirting
1291 days ago
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I do agree that defense is important for a catcher. I'm just saying that nearly every catcher can do it. Once in a while one catcher will stand out above his peers (like Rodriguez) so much that he makes a difference. But the difference between the other 29 catchers in the game is probably pretty minimal. I don't really buy into game calling and pitch framing making a huge difference. If we're talking just about defense without considering offense would you rather have Brad Aumus (calling a great game) and Wily Mo Pena (getting horrible breaks and looking silly in center) or Jorge Posada (letting 2 or 3 extra balls get by a year) and Andruw Jones (tracking down everything hit even remotely near him).
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1291 days ago
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Piazza at 5th is ridiculous. He is the clear #1. His offense was heads over heels better than anyone else who ever played the positon. As for his defense, it is true that he did not throw our runners, but everyother aspect of his game was good to great. He called good games, handles his pitchers well, and was excellent in blocking balls in the dirt. As for ASwaff's unsubstantiated claims about his ability to "frame" pitches, I will simply point out that you NEVER heard a pitcvher complain about Piazza behind the plate, and you never saw pitchers demanded personal catchers like you have with other offensive catchers like Jason Varitek and Jorge Posada. Catching pitchers like Rick Reed, Steve Trachsel, and Tom Glavine, who depend on pinpoint location to pitch effectively, if Piazza was really "one of the worst in the game" I think you would have read about it at the very least from an "anonymous clubhouse source."
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SteaksammichRed-Shirting
1291 days ago
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MetsJets, I agree with your comment, but I just had to correct one point. Wakefield never demanded a personal catcher. The reason why Varitek doesn't catch him is because, according to the Red Sox, catching a knuckleball is physically and mentally draining. And they want to keep him as fresh as they can to keep his bat going all year. Mirabelli just happened to be good at it so that was just one more reason why Wakefield has had a personal catcher in recent years.
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ASwaffAll-American
1291 days ago
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I never said that defense at other positions isn't more important. I definitely think a great center fielder or a great short stop is more important. But that's not the point. If you're going to talk about the greatest of all time, you can't just look at one aspect of the game. You have to look at all of them. And I think a catcher that is really good on offense and really good on defense is better than a guy that is superb on offense and bad on defense. And Mets, the fact that none of the pitchers demanded personal catchers is more indicative of the pitcher than it is of the catcher. Nobody on the Astros demanded a personal catcher when Mitch Melusky was sucking it up behind the plate during his rookie season. And Glavine never requested a personal catcher when Javy Lopez was behind the plate for the Braves. And then there's Steak's comment about Varitek. Sorry, but I don't buy your premise at all. It says more about the pitchers than it does about the catcher.
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ASwaffAll-American
1291 days ago
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By the way, my analysis about Piazza framing pitches is from me watching him in games. I wouldn't expect a pitcher to ream his catcher publicly, only the worst of the worst in the sport do stuff like that. Just because nobody who pitched to him didn't criticize him for it publicly doesn't mean that it wasn't a weakness for him.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1291 days ago
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I have never heard that comment about Piazza before. I have heard comments about his lack of a throwing arm. You would think that a guy who has been on 4 teams and in the league for a long time, catching a lot of pitchers, you would have heard a peep about it, but I simply haven't. An honest question, are you a Yankees fan?
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ASwaffAll-American
1291 days ago
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No, I'm not a Yankee fan. And just because you haven't heard that comment before doesn't make it untrue. Not all of us need analysis to be fed to us by other players and sports pundits.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1291 days ago
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Look, all I am saying is that the guy called a good game, pitchers had good years with him as a catcher, and the MSM never to my recollection reported a problem with how framed pitches. Your ability to see how he frames a pitch while watching on television if far more questionable to me than anything I brought up in my post.
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1291 days ago
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I say you guys drop the arguement about his pitch framing. It, like how good or bad relationships with the pitchers these guys caught for may have affected the game, is an impossible thing to quantify. Also, when Piazza was pounding homers out of the ballpark in his prime and was probably the best offensive catcher ever, of course pitchers aren't going to bring up something like his pitch framing (I'm not saying he was good or bad at it). They knew in the scheme of things that complaining about something like that may hurt his offensive production which would hurt them much more. I would also like to throw Thurman Munson's name out there in the discussion. I think if his career hadn't tragically ended so early he may have made this list.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
524 days ago
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carlton fisk should be #1 and wheres jason varitek hes cought for more no hitters than anyone with like 4 or 6 come on get it right.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
468 days ago
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Two years later, would you add Mauer to that list? And if so who would you bump?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
221 days ago
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I can't believe the ignorance as I read these posts. Nobody even mentions Josh Gibson, who was considered the "Babe Ruth" of the Negro Leagues. He could hit a ball as far as anyone.
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RomiezzoLegend
221 days ago
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I totally agree. However, if Gibson wasn't included, I'm sure the author of the article meant to list the top 10 catchers of all time who played in the MLB; just a guess though.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
221 days ago
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Then where the hell is King Kelly? Or Roger Bresnahan (the Father of the Modern Day Catcher)?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
221 days ago
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BTW - Early on, Babe Ruth was called "the King Kelly of Modern Baseball"
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
204 days ago
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Berra, compared with Bench, had nearly identical fielding % (.989 to .990), HR/AB (21.1 to 19.7), higher CS % (49% to 43%), better slugging % (.482 to .486), far less strikeouts (414 to 1278), better Runs Created/9 IP (6.14 to 5.47), more All-Star appearances, and more MVP awards. The reasoning here needs to be reevaluated.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
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hi
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