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This Yankees pitching staff does have the meanings of getting stronger down the stretch...

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by user Pfiore03

Now I've been posting on my blog called "Yankees Tonight"   about the New York Yankees and basically all of baseball. So I'm new to this site. Anyway, tomorrow the Yankees start the second half of the season at Tampa with a 42-43 record basically tied with the Blue Jays for 2nd place in the AL East. Now I'll get to my point about the Yankees pitching staff.

 

Well the Yankees have Pettitte, Clemens, Wang, and Mussina (when schedule will pitch on 10 days rest) will all be at rested obviously. The Yankees need a clean slate in the front of the rotation with those 4 and they need to go 6 or 7 innings or more at this point until the bullpen gets better and rested. Now the 5th starter is going to be an issue. I'm going to you why the 5th starter is going to be an issue, Kei Igawa. His mechanics haven't changed from his first start. I know Nardi Contreras and Bill Conners have tried but he goes back to whats he knows and some of his pitches don't have any bite. So I think they can use him in the bullpen when Hughes gets back. Phillip Hughes and Jeff Karstens are on their rehab assignments and look for them soon but Hughes is probably going to ready quicker. The other options at this point are Tyler Clippard, Matt DeSalvo, Ross Ohlendorf, Pete Walker, and that's it if you exclude the stacked pitching at the Double-A Trenton level with Joba Chamberlain, Alan Horne, etc. Now Ross Ohlendorf and Pete Walker are both on rehab assignments, so I hope Minor League Baseball or New York Yankees organization websites gives me some info on the two. Now Matt DeSalvo has pitched better as of late with Scranton giving up 3 earned runs or less in 5 out of 6 starts. He has struck out more than 5 batters in 5 out of 6 starts as well. But Tyler Clippard does need seasoning but has the experience if necessary. A couple of things the starters need to improve on- IP's (481 innings pitched out of 86 games (which averages to about 5.6)) and the ERA 4.68. You can check on baseball reference.com and the Yankees first half splits for 2007.

Now the bullpen, the bullpen you can say has been overworked. I mean Rivera has pitched in 32 games, Proctor in 45 games, Luis Vizcaino in 42 games, etc. and the bullpen average for innings pitched is 3.3 (283 IP pitched out of 85 games) and that's despite keeping their team ERA down to 3.82. I hear people on message boards I post at such as  Sports World NY  that they want Joe Kerrigan fired as bullpen coach. What in the hell is this? Kerrigan is a bullpen coach. He doesn't serve as a pitching coach. Ron Guidry does. So if you want to blame someone for the poor pitching outings, blame Guidry. I know he did well before I was born as a pitcher but to say he gets a shot as pitching coach, wow. Bring in some one like Dave Eliand or someone like Nardi Contreras in to help. Now my bullpen options to help in the second half- Sean Henn, Jim Brower, Chris Britton, or hell Pete Walker as the long man.


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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
872 days ago
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Clemens, Pettitte, and Mussina are likely to have their arms fall off any day now. Hey Joe, can we get a few more relief appearances for these guys?
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KelsdadAll-Star
872 days ago
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Dave Eiland or Nardi Contreras over Ron Guidry? You, my friend, are an embarrassment to Yankee fans everywhere.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Why? Truth hurts. What has Ron Guidry done has pitching coach? Explain to me what he's done. I'm an embarassment, bullshit.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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For more information on the stats of prospects, check out my blog.
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KelsdadAll-Star
872 days ago
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What is a pitching coaches job? What makes you think Eiland or Contreras would be better?

Is it Guidry's fault Mussina and Wang and Pavano and Hughes got hurt? Is it Guidry's fault Igawa sucks? Is it Guidry's fault Mariano Rivera is 38 years old?

Personally, I would much rather be taking pitching instruction from a former Cy Young winner, a borderline Hall of Famer, than some journeyman schmuck.
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JamelAll-American
872 days ago
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Depends on how "fucking is being used" Tyrone. Let if you say "that's FUCKING bullshit" that's allowed. But if you wrote "I'm fucking your wife right now" that's not okay. If you wrote "I'm fucking with you" that would be okay but not "I'm going to fucking kill you"- that's bad.

Now in this case I don't see the reason he had to write the word "fuck" or "fucking" so I would have given him his one warning and then banned him if he did it again.

HAIL FALSE JAM-JAM. KING ADMIN!
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Do you even know what Eiland has done in the minors with the younger pitchers, Kelsdad? Do you? I mean Mel did a great job and he wasn't even talked about during the 60's but then again that was before my time. Here's something interesting: HE DIDN'T WIN A FUCKING CY YOUNG AWARD but still did a great job with this pitching staff before resigning in 2005. So you think that a borderline Hall-of-Famer and a Cy Young award winner are great pitching coaches, your out of your mind. As for your questions, no it's not Guidry's fault that Mussina, Wang, Pavano (I don't care for him anyway), and Hughes got hurt. Is it Guidry's fault that Igawa sucks? Probably. Your supposed to be reinforcing what he was taught by Nardi and Billy in Tampa and not going back to the shit that got him demoted to Tampa. And don't give me that Rivera is 38 years old bullshit, too? Rivera does have 1 pitch, his fastball, and hitters are catching up to it. Don't tell me that a cut fastball is his second pitch.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
872 days ago
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Question to the admins - is "FUCKING" now also permitted (apparently along with bullsh*t) or did I miss that memo? Just asking. End tyranny. Vote Briggs.
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False ProphetAll-Star
872 days ago
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probably not, but we'll need to discuss that at a later point
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JamelAll-American
872 days ago
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I'm sorry I wrote in the wrong spot- see above for the real answer Tyrone. And FP, please step down. It's the right thing to do
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KelsdadAll-Star
872 days ago
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Seriously, dude, think before you write. If Eiland or Contreras were any good, they already would be the pitching coach.

Stottlemyre was a damn good pitcher, he won 20 games more than once with lousy teams. What was Eiland's career record? 12-27. Contreras? 0-0 in 8 games. Yeah, I think Guidry is infinitely more qualified than either of those two.

The shit that got Igawa demoted to Tampa is he sucks. He's in New York now because freaking genius Cashman gave him seventeen million dollars, not because Contreras or Eiland "fixed" him.
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JamelAll-American
872 days ago
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"Shit" is a bannable offense- sorry- go side in time out for 5 minutes
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
872 days ago
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I'm supposed to take this website seriously with an author like this joker? Where does this site find people?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
872 days ago
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The Chicago Sun-Times.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
872 days ago
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This just in: Mel Stottlemyre was a GREAT pitcher. His career only ended early at age 32 because of injuries. He also played during the dark era of the Yankees, which was not his fault at all. His rookie year was his only time in the World Series, yet he was trusted to pitch 3 times, all against some pitcher by the name of Bob Gibson. Sure, Dave Eiland could be a top pitching coach someday based on what he has done in the minors, especially last year in Trenton. Nardi Contreras? You do realize he's a complete retread who has already been the Yankee pitching coach in the past, correct?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
872 days ago
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Mariano Rivera has been fine since the first month of the season. To blame Guidry is asinine. Kei Igawa has always sucked. Who cares if he pitched well for Tampa and Scranton? What does that mean? It just means that the Japanse League could be more on par with the minor leagues in the U.S.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
872 days ago
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Roger Clemens should be named the Yankees pitching coach. Get more out of that $20 million spent.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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I don't think you understood this post at all. Like I said, Mel pitched before I was born. I know pitched in the dark days of the 1960's for the Yankees. Nardi, I believe had one go around with the Yankees before the strike in 1994 and that was before I started actually watching the Yankees. Besides, Nardi is the minor league corrdinator with Tampa. He is doing well and might just stay there. I didn't say Rivera's slow start was on Guidry's hand. That statement is asinine and you know that. Kei Igawa pitching for the Yankees is a joke. I mean he's 28 years old and Billy Connors and Nardi have tried to fix him. I mean all I'm saying is that Guidry could reinforce the mechanics but he doesn't. If Igawa is going to be like Irabu, Jose Contreras, get him off the team.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
872 days ago
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Ron Guidry should be promoted to bench coach after Joe Torre leaves and is replaced by Mattingly (or Girardi).
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JamelAll-American
872 days ago
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As FALSE JAM-JAM I WILL BAN ALL WHO TRY TO PLUG THEIR OWN BLOGS AND PEOPLE AWAY FROM ARMCHAIRGM- that is your first warning Pfriroeahjdf;haj;d
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Are you an Admin?
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False ProphetAll-Star
872 days ago
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no, he's not
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
872 days ago
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No, but Jamel is nominated to becoming an admin. He would be spectacular at that position.
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JamelAll-American
872 days ago
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Watch your tongue Pfiorios and FP are I will ban YOU!!!! I lack the sense of humour or the detection of sarcasm so watch out!!! Plus I am very very very sleepy.
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False ProphetAll-Star
872 days ago
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its a question. YOu can't threaten someone with a block when

A. YOu can't block them yet

and

B. He's done nothing to deserve a block
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Vote Giradi in as manager. Big fan of his.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Oh, good. If he's voted to become admin, I'm out.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Real mature, Jamel.
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JamelAll-American
872 days ago
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I'm sorry are you SERIOUSLY a yankee's fan?? I thougth you were just bullshitting us. I didnt' think anyone was a yankee fan?? Wow-- I thought you were just being sarcastic. Sorry. HAIL FALSE JAM-JAM! KING OF ADMIN!
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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I'm a Yankees fan. I've been for about 14 years, even though I don't remember Nardi being pitching coach prior to 1994. LOL. I wasn't being sarcastic.
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JamelAll-American
872 days ago
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So yankee fans really exist??? I thought that was all fictional and stuff- like urban legand stuff?? Wow.... well I'll be a donkey licking penis bullshitting son of a gun-- wow- really?? Are you sure you don't like the Mets instead?? Wow a yankees fan huh? Kind of like a Twins fan-- I guess Santa really does exist- wow- Really??!!! You have to be bullshitting me!
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
872 days ago
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I am getting pretty tired of this stupid power struggle spilling over into every single thread.

I mean seriously, we are a bunch of nerds with nothing better to do but write ridiculous sports articles that hardly anyone reads. It should at least be enjoyable.

Now, I will be the first to say that I haven't been around this site in a couple of months so I don't know everything that is going on. But seriously, every thread I open up turns into some sort of arguement about who should be banned, and who should be admin, and who can say what word. Who cares!!!!

It's bullshit, none of this has anything to do with the fucking Yankees pitching staff!!!
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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No, I'm not lieing to you. I've in Connecticut and of course there are Met fans and Red Sox fans but I'm a Yankee fan. I'm not lieing to you. That's why I created a blog about the Yankees, didn't I?
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Wow, Kelsdad your giving me major league stats of Dave Eiland and Nardi Contreras which means nothing to me because why? You really don't know anything about minor league baseball and about pitching instructors do you? Give me good the names of good pitching instructors in baseball who pitched well in their careers. Now Bud Black, former Angels pitching coach, what did he do in his career? Huh? How about Leo Mazzone? How about Don Cooper? Look up those guys for me, Kelsdad, and tell me what they did and their big league careers and then I'll give you a good answer. Otherwise, You should be the one thinking before you write.
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JuTMSY4Legend
872 days ago
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Its really the yankees problem...the starters haven't logging any innings...and as such the pen became stretched...and it sucked to begin with...kinda doubled the problem really welcome aboard Pfiore
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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That's true. I pointed out, the starters have averaged barely 5.6 or 5.2 innings, which every you like to call it and bullpen has just finished it. Sometimes a pitcher does well and Joe takes him out too soon and that also bothers me because our bullpen needs rest and not get used every day. Thank you, JuTMSY4.
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JuTMSY4Legend
872 days ago
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No problem...my fault, you stated that at the end... I was just trying to bring this back to your article...this bantering about banning is not typical of AGM, please just ignore it...the problem is being resolved...
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KelsdadAll-Star
872 days ago
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Dude, I forgot more about baseball than you will ever know. If you want to learn, you should be asking, not assuming. But it was nice talking to you. And I saw Stottlemyre pitch, by the way.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Wow, Kelsdad. Your really smart. It was nice talking to you. Even though you didn't answer my questions about certain pitching coaches. Kelsdad, don't worry about my baseball knowledge.
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KelsdadAll-Star
872 days ago
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Can't worry about something which doesn't exist.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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That's great advice but that's not exactly true considering that you don't have baseball knowledge either. So, what difference does it make.
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JuTMSY4Legend
872 days ago
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Actually...here's one for you guys...

Was watching a phils game a few weeks ago...and Harry the K was talking about Jamie Moyer...he came up with a great analogy/joke...Moyer is a junkballing lefty...or as harry calls him...a crafty lefty...

Do you know what they call a crafty righty?

coach...
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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That makes me feel better already. LOL
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JuTMSY4Legend
872 days ago
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and, for the record, my point is that there's been a lot of sucky pitchers who have been good coaches...thing about it in sports in general...how many great players are great coaches?
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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That's true, JuTMSY4. I've wanted to send that message to Kelsdad but he hasn't recieved that for a while now.
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JuTMSY4Legend
872 days ago
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my advice is don't be so brash about it...even when others are...I do it sometimes (and sometimes i catch myself)...but try not to just call someone out...

You'll find that it happens a lot when someone says something about the article (like above) and then you need to defend it...

As you can see, it started to get a little rude...generally that damages the experience...we're all guilty of it (i'm a major sinner, i admit it), but try to avoid it when possible...
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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This is a new experience for me posting in a public blog. I'm so used to posting on message boards and blogs like that. Hey, I can't help it.
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JuTMSY4Legend
872 days ago
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Yup...but its nice to get feedback on your blogs...

Some will be fully critical, others will be constructive...but it'll help you write better...

And the commenting is fun...
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KelsdadAll-Star
872 days ago
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Mr. Fiore, you claim that Guidry is the cause for the poor outings, but offer no proof. You claim Eiland or Contreras would be a better option, but offer no proof.

I worked for the Yankees, I've been a fan over 40 years, so, yes, I know what I'm talking about. Like you said, this is your first forum into a public site, coming in with a bunch of assumptions and "I think.." ain't going to win you any admirers. This is a tough crowd, and a knowledgeable one.

All I'm saying is if you say something dumb, defend it. Its your opinion, so you can't be wrong, but offering no substance is wrong.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Ok, Kelsdad. Your as fustrated as I am. The starters go 5.2 innings on average. I've given you some stats but guys like Randy Johnson from last year. Who knows why he kept throwing a flat slider or why his other pitcher didn't have a break that he wanted? Maybe his back was bothering him? How about Kei Igawa? Well he's coming over from Japan and don't have a clue what he's going to throw. Well looking at his mechanics, he throws off his back foot and pitches hang. Did Contreras or Conners attempt to help him in Tampa? Yes. I mean there are times when I saw Igawa pitch when he was finishing that he looked more confident and his pitches were finishing. How about the younger guys, I get angry when he doesn't come out when they start losing composure if something doesn't go their way. Then Mike Mussina, I know he was strugglin because he was hurt but expalin to me why didn't hit his corners. Same with Clemens. Earlier in the year, Rivera was trying to throw high fastballs but got roughed up and didn't his corners either. As for Dave Eiland, well he is now the pitching coach for Scranton and look what he's done with pitchers like Matt DeSalvo (who has now done better in his 6 starts) or Jim Brower who the Yankees picked up off of waivers. How about Sean Henn you ask? Prior to the AAA-All Star break, 8.2 shutout innings. Amazing. How about Mr. Phil Hughes? He's worked with Mr. Eiland? If you worked with the Yankees, he'll tell you. Hughes pitched in AA Trenton last year the same time Eiland was the pitching coach for Trenton. I mean you're giving me stats when Eiland was pitching in 1990 and Contreras was pitching, 1980. What does that have do with how good a pitching coach can do with his pitchers? I mean you've worked with the Yankees and have been a fan for 40 years and you give me that. I've been a Yankee fan for about 15 years and I was a fan like you pretending that usually great pitchers were good pitching coaches. That's not true, Kelsdad.
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KelsdadAll-Star
872 days ago
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Fine, Guidry sucks. But he's still better than the other two because he's in the Majors. And I never said great pitchers or players make great coaches, I said as a Cy Young winner Guidry is more deserving of the job because of his background.

Of course the guys helped Igawa in Tampa, after all, that's why its called "Instructional League". But the bottom line is Igawa is terrible, and neither Guidry or Connors or anyone else will change that. I personally would put him in the bullpen, a couple innings in relief is better than counting on him for five or six as a starter.

Then Mike Mussina, I know he was strugglin because he was hurt but expalin to me why didn't hit his corners. No explanation necessary, you answered your own question.

Earlier in the year, Rivera was trying to throw high fastballs but got roughed up and didn't his corners either Same reason as Clemens and Mussina.

Well looking at his mechanics, he throws off his back foot and pitches hang. Pitchers throw downhill, so throwing off their back foot is pretty much impossible. It may appear they do if their mechanics are off, but what they do is shorten their stride or land on their front heel instead of the ball of their foot.

The Yankees have 8 right handed pitchers on their top prospects list. Do you know how many of them are named DeSalvo, Ohlendorf, Walker, Britton or Brower? Zero.

Do you know how many of these eight are considered legitimate Major League prospects? Three. That's not bad, but these guys are all at least two years away, except, of course, Hughes.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Okay, Guidry is better because of is background and I won't take that away from him. As a coach, I still have my doubts. Well, the 5 or 6 innings at Boston in a relief stint was probably the best thing that Joe did at the time considering that Karstens started the game. Kelsdad, DeSalvo, *Ohlendorf, *Walker, Britton, and Brower could be guys the Yankees use if they need to if the bullpen gets overworked. Note- Olendorf and Walker are on rehab assignments right now. I think if something happens down the stretch if Igawa (who could be the long man) gets hurt, we could use him. Britton and Brower have good numbers in Triple-A Scranton but both could be of use if Farnsworth is moved. DeSalvo is another option. Tyler Clippard is probably a couple of years away and the other guys in Double-A are probably a year or two away. Chamberlain, Horne, Kennedy...
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KelsdadAll-Star
872 days ago
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The Yankees prospects are Hughes, Chamberlain, Humberto Sanchez and Dellin Betances. Betances is 19, and is at least three years away. Sanchez was in the Sheffield deal and if the Yankees need a serviceable pitcher the second half then he's the likely choice. Chamberlain may see ML time next year but most likely not til '09. Hughes is self explanatory.

The key to the second half is the starters. The longer they keep the bullpen guys in the bullpen, and the less they have to rely on the garbage in Scranton, the better off they'll be.

Not bad for someone who doesn't know anything about the Minor Leagues, huh?
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Pfiore03Waterboy
872 days ago
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Not bad at all, Kelsdad. Betances, I've heard plenty of good things about him. Humberto Sanchez, out for the '07 season and probably could pitch out of the 'pen next year.
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KelsdadAll-Star
872 days ago
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We may have gotten off on the wrong foot, but don't assume you know more than anyone here. You don't know who's here or what their background is. I jumped on you because as a Yankee fan what you suggested doesn't make any sense, and there are other things that are factually incorrect. Not intending to be an ashule, just straightening out the misinfo.
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RomiezzoLegend
871 days ago
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Derek Jeter said that they definitely have the chance to come back. That's the way the captain of a team should feel. Every game counts. Give it your all every game. Every win means something. Never give up, guys, that's all I can say. The Sawx blew an even bigger lead last year. We'll see what happens.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
871 days ago
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That also goes for you, too. Just letting you know that, Kelsdad. I know we got off the wrong foot but I hope we can straighten things out.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
871 days ago
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What is this now? Has Yankee pitching debates replaced steroid issues here at ArmchairGM? Is Pfiore03 & Kelsdad the new "Tyrone & Manny"? (* depicts intended humor) All seriousness Pfiore, Kelsdad is a good guy that faithfully follows all that is Yankees here. And welcome aboard. End tyranny. Vote Briggs.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
871 days ago
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Bud Black pitched for 15 years in the bigs, Pfiore.
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Pfiore03Waterboy
869 days ago
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I know. Thank you very much.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
869 days ago
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You dismissed his career as if he had a cup of coffee in the majors and was gone.
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