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They Were Better Than Tom Brady

by JuTMSY4
created December 17, 2007, last edited February 10, 2009
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by Justin Yost

Seems like a pretty simple decision looking at it now, but in 2000 the New England Patriots had a quandary on their hands. Perhaps the decision might have made Tim Rattay the Greatest Quarterback of All Time or maybe the Pats would be struggling to make the playoffs, never mind Spygate! But with the 199th pick of the 2000 NFL Draft the New England Patriots selected Tom Brady. We all look back and marvel at the decision of selecting Brady that late given the hindsight, but at the time it seemed obvious. Needless to say, there were some respectable picks in Round 6, such as Pro-Bowlers Neil Rackers and current Patriot linebacker Adalius Thomas not to mention NFL currents Dhani Jones, Mike Anderson and Paul Edinger. But the real question everyone asks is what about the quarterbacks selected before Mr. Brady (six). Some have had long careers, others are never-was-beens, but truth be told, there is little doubt any of them were of the NFL caliber of Tom Brady.

Chad Pennington

- Round 1, Pick 18

Pennington might have been a can’t miss, but based on the below, it could have been much worse
Pennington might have been a can’t miss, but based on the below, it could have been much worse

You can’t really fault the New York Jets for taking Pennington here. Chad was known as a smart, gutsy QB at Marshall (Not to be confused with fellow Thundering Herd QB Byron Leftwich); who’s extreme accuracy made him an NFL prospect who eventually experienced some success in the NFL. What Pennington didn’t have in physical ability, he made up for in toughness and intelligence and even, after a serious shoulder injury, returned to the NFL with a vengeance; earning the Comeback Player of the Year Award. But his shortcomings have been the bane of Jets fans current existence. After leading the Jets to a 10-6 record in 2006, Pennington has been relegated to the bench in 2007, falling behind Kellen Clemens and out of favor with coach Eric Mangini and Jets fans everywhere (see MetsJetsDevils) Pennington married his college sweetheart Robin Hampton in 2001 and is backing up Kellen Clemens of the New York Jets

Giovanni Carmazzi

-Round 3, Pick 65

Shame on the 49ers, Carmazzi wasn’t even close
Shame on the 49ers, Carmazzi wasn’t even close

Allow me to give you the Stat Line on Carmazzi’s NFL career:




Alright, now that we’re through with that we can go on. Carmazzi was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the 3 rd round of the 2000 Draft, supposedly to back up, if not replace weak armed and savvy Jeff Garcia. Needless to say, it never came to fruition, as Carmazzi was bounced to now defunct NFL Europa in 2001, playing for the Rhein Fire and even took the Garcia route of getting some CFL time. Carmazzi became a third stringer of the B.C. Lions behind another QB to be mentioned soon. I honestly have no idea where Carmazzi is now.

Chris Redman

-Round 3, Pick 75

When Redman was drafted out of University of Louisville in 2000, I went out on a limb proclaiming him the future starter and heir apparent for the Baltimore Ravens. After watching the Louisville bomber have more completions than any other college QB at the time and being among the NCAA career leaders in yardage, I was all for Redman. Unfortunately, in following in the footsteps of the two guys who happened to be above him in career yardage, Ty Detmer and the aforementioned Rattay. At the very least, Redman earned a Super Bowl Ring in 2000, as a third stringer for the Ravens.

I thought Chris Redman was a can’t miss.  I think I hit the sodder.
I thought Chris Redman was a can’t miss. I think I hit the sodder.

He bounced around the league after suffering a season ending shoulder injury in 2003, while relieving injured Kyle Boller, resurfaced in New England in 2004, before being released prior to training camp. Redman than latched onto the Tennessee Titans, but never saw an NFL down until 2007 when his old college ball coach Bobby Petrino signed him on to the Atlanta Falcons. After the Michael Vick incident, the trading of Matt Schaub and the injury to D.J. Shockley Redman became the backup to Joey Harrington, eventually replacing him in week 12 and starting in week 13, a loss to the New Orleans Saints. Redman married high school girlfriend Ashley Britt and had his first child in 2007. He is currently listed as the Atlanta Falcons starting quarterback.

Tee Martin

-Round 5 Pick 163

Tee has more NCAA Championships than Peyton Manning, that’s good right?
Tee has more NCAA Championships than Peyton Manning, that’s good right?

Tamaurice Nigel “Tee” Martin is not known for being an NFL quarterback, even though he did spend four seasons in the NFL (the Pittsburgh Steelers, the team that drafted him, the Philadelphia Eagles and the Oakland Raiders). What Martin did do was something former University of Tennessee Quarterback (and fellow Brady Hater) Peyton Manning never did, win an NCAA Championship, at Tennessee with Manning’s team, no less. Martin’s team, complimented by running back Jamal Lewis and flanker Peerless Price won the 1998 NCAA Championship in college football, resulting in Martin, just like Manning, having a street in Knoxville named after him.

Martin also spent time in the CFL, much like his 2000 Draftee Brethren, resulting in two sub-par seasons with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Martin played poorly during 2004 and 2005, throwing for almost 500 yards and producing 1 touchdown to four interceptions. Martin married Latoya Rodriguez in 2005 and is currently the quarterbacks coach for North Cobb High School in Kennesaw, GA.

Marc Bulger

-Round 6, Pick 168

The Rams didn’t miss with Bulger.  Of course they didn’t draft him either, the Saints did, and subsequently released him.
The Rams didn’t miss with Bulger. Of course they didn’t draft him either, the Saints did, and subsequently released him.

So, you could say, someone got it right with quarterbacks in the 2000 draft besides the Pats. Unfortunately, it wasn’t the New Orleans Saints, the team that drafted him. Bulger led the West Virginia University Mountaineers for three seasons, setting over 30 team records and is amongst the most successful quarterbacks in school history. New Orleans saw potential but was quickly booted by the Saints and then the Falcons (who signed him next) until he landed on the St. Louis Rams’ practice squad. As the magic wore off of Kurt Warner, fellow backup Jamie Martin filled in leading the Rams to an 0-5 record until he was injured and Bulger made an appearance.


Bulger was 6-0 in his starts but was injured against the Seattle Seahawks as the Rams puttered to a 7-9 season. In 2003 Bulger lead the Rams in the playoffs and was officially declared the starter for the future in 2004, as Warner was released. He has been in the Pro-Bowl twice in his career has over 1,000 career completions, the fastest QB to ever reach that mark. Bulger is currently the starting quarterback for the Rams.

Spergon Wynn

-Round 6, Pick 183

Spergon Wynn was selected only 16 picks before a certain Michigan QB as a compensatory pick for the recently reformed Cleveland Browns. Some compensation? Wynn played quarterback at Southwest Texas State, which is in the NCAA Football Sub-Division (1-AA) and was amongst the most successful QBs at the university. Needless to say, it never translated. Wynn did manage three starts in 2001/2 where he replaced injured Daunte Culpepper and Todd Bauman to complete the season for the Vikings.

The Browns missed badly with Wynn, but at least they’re not the 49ers!
The Browns missed badly with Wynn, but at least they’re not the 49ers!

Wynn the moved to Canada and the CFL in 2002 playing for the aforementioned B.C. Lions and serving as backup to Casey Printers but ahead on the depth chart to fellow 2000 draft alum and better QB than Brady Giovanni Carmazzi. Wynn was then traded to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and then the Toronto Argonauts. Wynn was injured for most of 2005 and has yet to play seriously in the CFL.

Other QBs drafted in 2000 include Todd Husak, JaJuan Seider, Tim Rattay, Jarious Jackson, and Joe Hamilton. Among the studs from the 2000 draft were Chris Samuels, Brian Urlacher, Bubba Franks, Shaun Alexander, Mike Brown, Laveranues Coles(law), Dante Hall and of course Adalius Thomas. Lest we forget duds Courtney Brown (First overall), Peter Warrick, Heisman Trophy Winner Ron Dayne and thunderlegged Sebastian Janikowski.







Pictures Courtesy of:

Chad Pennington - Allposters.com

Giovanni Carmazzi – Viewimages.com

Chris Redman – Viewimages.com

Tee Martin – BenMaller.com

Marc Bulger – Honoluluadvertiser.com

Spergon Wynn – CBC.ca

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Davis21wylieMVP
564 days ago
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Great article, Justin.
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JMFlyer1454Draft Pick
564 days ago
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This is one of many examples of how the draft can be hit or miss. There is even some luck involved.


Nice article JuT.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
564 days ago
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Excellent article. Larry Foote of the Steelers, who played with Brady in college, said that he thinks Brady would have been drafted much higher had he not played in such a run-heavy Michigan offense. I would be interested to see who the most successful undrafted player was.
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JMFlyer1454Draft Pick
564 days ago
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The short list includes Warren Moon, Rod Smith, Antonio Gates, Kurt Warner, Dick Lane, and Priest Holmes. It looks as though Willie Parker may join that list.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
562 days ago
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Not Michigan's offense that killed Brady's chances as much as the fact that he played on some less-successful teams and Lloyd Carr had to split time between Brady and Drew Henson to keep Henson interested in football (Henson already has his Yankee contract)
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KelsdadAll-Star
564 days ago
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Nice research, Justin, well done.
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MegECass110AAA-er
564 days ago
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Love this...the updates on where the QBs are now are priceless. Brady spent draft day at his family's house, and when the 49ers pick came up in the later rounds, he thought he had a shot to play for his hometown team. Of couse, they took Carmazzi instead. So there he was, pick 199, with a permanent chip on his shoulder. The rest is history.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
564 days ago
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I don't know if I'd call SeaBass a dud since he's kicked in every game he's been on Oakland's roster. Otherwise good article
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JuTMSY4Legend
564 days ago
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i have a tendency to agree...

but this strong legged, mediocre accuracy kicker was taken 21st overall...

i mean, how many great kickers were taken in the first round?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
560 days ago
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Uhhh... How many kickers (great or otherwise) were taken in the first round?
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
564 days ago
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Carmazzi was a gunslinger from Hofstra. His NFL career never got off the ground as he suffered from multiple injuries.

At some point, you have to believe that everything happens for a reason. If Chris Redman goes to the Patriots, does he back up Bledsoe for a few years, run a Charlie Weis offense and become a QB legend? If Tom Brady goes to Baltimore does he get thrown into the mix too soon on an offensively inept team such that he never develops into anything more than a backup QB?

Tom Brady has done amazing things in NE. However, at the same time, I have always felt that if He played for the Seahawks he'd be Matt Hasselback and if Matt Hasselback played for the patriots, he'd be Tom Brady.

I am not saying this to insult Brady. In my book, Tom Brady is the second best QB in the NFL today behind Peyton Manning. Essentially what I am saying is that talent+time+coaching+scheme = success
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
564 days ago
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This "Charlie Weis" offense Brady inherited scored 20 points in the first two games of 2001 (not a large sample), then scored 44 in Brady's first start against Indy. And how is Charlie Weis's offense doing in South Bend these days?

I think the mixture of Belichick, Weis, and Brady was perfect. I don't think Matt Hasselbeck could have stepped in and done some of the same things as Brady. Hell, I don't think Peyton Manning could have done it. That trio just gelled. There was chemistry, but also each one of them complimented and supplemented the other.

People also forget that he didn't start off as #2 behind Bledsoe in 2000, he was #4 behind MIchael Bishop and John Friesz, but he impressed in practice and moved up to #@ by the time Mo Lewis clocked Bledsoe.

I know you're not trying to insult Brady, but to say that Chris Redman could be in the same league as him comes off as insulting.

With Brady, Weis and Belichick, it's like the chicken and the egg. Belichick and Weis weren't considered geniuses until #12 came along, and Brady wasn't considered a good QB until he played for these guys.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
564 days ago
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Are you saying that Brady was the meat in a Weis-Belichick manwhich?
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DNLLegend
563 days ago
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Wow, ArmchairGM's Spergon Wynn page is ... pretty good. Ye gods.
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JuTMSY4Legend
563 days ago
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i think its more depressing that his rating is 1.88...he was awful...
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DNLLegend
562 days ago
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Well, the CFL contingent probably gave him some 2s.
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SSreportersLegend
562 days ago
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He was with Toronto for a few seasons, but he bombed there as well. Damon Allen, the older brother of Marcus Allen, ended up doing better than him.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
562 days ago
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Steel Town: Rod Smith maybe?
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
562 days ago
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Jeff Garcia, London Fletcher, David Akers, Mike "The Idiot" Vanderjagt, Adam Vinatieri (has to be considered one of the greatest kickers of all-time) all went undrafted
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
562 days ago
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Punters schmunters, I suppose, but wasn't Shane Lechler drafted by Oakland that year? Think he qualifies as a semi-stud, Best Supporting Actor if you will.
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The BeastAAA-er
562 days ago
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I remember getting an old Carmazzi card and thinkin tha he would be good.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
561 days ago
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Congratulations on having the SI link to your article. As always a very well written article. I liked the writeup especially on Tee Martin since we live in Knoxville.
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
560 days ago
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Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL not Manning, please go check your facts again.
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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fuck you, you no talent ass face...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
560 days ago
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How the hell did I miss this article until now???
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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were you drawn by the no talent ass face...
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RomiezzoLegend
560 days ago
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You weren't the only one, Manny. Very good article, JuT.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
560 days ago
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I don't care... It is just plain fun to say his name - Spurgeon Wynn - say it with me - Spurgeon Wynn!!! Shouldn't that guy be a poet/marvelously artistic screenwriter with a name like that? At the very worst, he makes me want to drive to Vegas tonight!!!
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