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The Yankees need to do more than fire Torre

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by user Leslie Monteiro

Yankees owner George Steinbrenner wanted to fire Yankees manager Joe Torre hours after his team was eliminated in 4 games against the Detroit Tigers in the American League Division Series last year.

His son-in-law, Steve Swindal talked him out of it by convincing him to keep Torre for one more year instead of hiring his personal favorite, Lou Piniella, who decided to take the Cubs job rather than wait to see what happens during the season.

This time, Torre does not have Swindal to save him because Swindal is out of the Yankees family due to his divorce with Steinbrenner’s daughter, Jennifer. Yankees GM Brian Cashman, who also should be in the hot seat, will likely have his plea ignored by Steinbrenner.

The truth of the matter is that Torre should have been fired last year and the team should have started rebuilding by dumping all those overpaid players, who have done nothing over the years. They should have hired Buck Showalter to oversee the rebuilding process.

The window of winning a championship is over.

They had their chances in the last few years, but now with other teams having better pitching and young, talented athletes that can execute the smallball well by getting on base and stealing, those teams are much better than the Yankees.

Yankees biggest problem is their pitching. They just do not have it from the starting rotation to the bullpen.

Their starting rotation just reeks period. Outside of Chien-Mien Wang, who is very good in that rotation.

Mike Mussina and Andy Pettitte have had their better days in the past, but as they get older, it is hard for them to pitch at a high level.

Kei Igawa is a lost cause and a waste of money.

Guys like Darrell Rasner, Jeff Karstens, and Phillip Hughes can be good, but they are going to have their ups and downs like any young pitchers.

Their bullpen is hideous. The only reliable guy out there is their closer, Mariano Rivera. The rest leave a lot to be desired.

It said something when Torre used Rivera in the eighth inning against the Red Sox in the first game of the season series because he had zero faith in the rest of his relievers.

Scott Proctor, Kyle Farnsworth, Luis Vizcaino, Sean Henn, Mike Myers, and Brian Bruney are nothing to be excited about. They are hits or misses. Most of the time, they are misses.

Does any Yankees fan feel any confident with any of those guys when they are out on the mound? There is a good reason for why they are not.

Those guys do not throw strikes. They take their time throwing out there. They do not do a better job of gripping the ball to the catcher. They just do not provide fear to the hitters at the plate which is a horrible indictment on them.

Their so-called great offense is fraudaulent at best. They have proven that they can not get the big hits in the postseason especially their superstar, Alex Rodriguez.

They just can not hit against great pitching especially pitchers, who throw at high speed like 95 to 100 miles per hour. They can be very frustrated easily by swinging at pitches that are not even close to strikes.

There are too many pieces that just do not add up when a baseball observer watch the Yankees play.

Guys do not play for one another. There is no emotion from anyone out of that roster. There is not that never-say-die spirit that comes from a winning team as Yankees fans can attest from watching the Yankees in the mid-to-late nineties.

This brings to Torre. Torre has done a darn good job in his time at the Bronx. His accomplishments speak for itself. With that said, all great coaches lose that magic after awhile.

It is pretty obvious that the players have stopped playing for him. It showed in the ALDS last year.

The Yankees manager has had a tendency of favoring veterans and not working well with young players over the years. Now, this practice has caught up to him, which is why it is time for fire him so that the team can have hire Showalter, who knows how to build a team from his time in New York and in Arizona.

It was a great run, but there is saying in life, good things come to an end.

It is never pleasant, but for the future of this franchise, it is time to blow the whole thing up.

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J CunninghamVarsity Captain
945 days ago
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While I don't disagree with the Yankees' need to "blow the whole thing up," I've never seen concrete evidence to convince me Torre should be fired. It could be the fact that I'm a fan of a team that's suffered through nine straight losing seasons after back-to-back ALCS appearances and the owner inexplicably letting manager Davey Johnson walk, but why does Torre deserve to be fired? Because the Yankees have gone six years without winning a World Series? Forgive me if I don't consider that a fireable offense, particularly since the Yankees are still in the playoffs year in and year out.

Does he deserve to be fired for this start? No ... not unless he's in the clubhouse, whacking all his pitchers in the hamstring or knee or elbow and causing them to get hurt. He has no choice but to overuse his bullpen while his good starters are hurt and his bad ones keep giving up runs. A-Rod's had a great start, but he was due for a cold streak and since he doesn't pitch, how he can help the Yankees is limited.

If Georgie boy insists on firing Torre, at least wait until the season's over. A mid-season change could actually disrupt things even further and make them worse. But if Torre is fired, I'll gladly take him in Baltimore.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
945 days ago
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The point of this article that it's time to rebuild and it's time to hire a new manager in Buck Showalter, who knows how to rebuild and win. Yankees need to go to a different direction. They ain't winning a championship anytime soon. The sooner they do this, the better this franchise will be especially for the next few years. I feel that Torre is not the guy for rebuilding, which is something the Yankees need to do now rather than wait for next year or 5 years from now. When you are building a team with young players, you have to teach and spent so much time with the young players. With Torre's age and the fact that he trust veterans more than young players, it just is not the right fit. There is a reason why rebuilding teams hire very young managers in their thirties to fourties (i.e. Indians hiring Eric Wedge).
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Leslie MonteiroVarsity
945 days ago
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J: The anonymous fanatic was me. I logged on as I replied, but for whatever reason, it did not mention my real name.
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KelsdadAll-Star
945 days ago
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Well, Armchair is an opinion based site. Good thing, because this article is devoit of facts. I especially like the part where, They just can not hit against great pitching especially pitchers. Hopefully Ian Kinsler starts on the mound for the Rangers tomorrow, maybe the Yankees will have a chance.
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The sharkDraft Pick
945 days ago
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I'm not sure that Wang is as good as everything seems to think he is. And, if true, that only makes matters worse for the Yanks. And anyone waiting for Clemens to come and save the day, it ain't gonna happen. I mean he might come, BUT he ain't gonna save the day. G.S. might want to actually admit that it's time for a rebuilding phase. They've actually worked on the farm system the last few years - why not go back to the philosophy that helped win 3 championships in 4 years?
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Leslie MonteiroVarsity
945 days ago
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Clemens would be stupid to go to New York. They have way too many holes. Boston has a good chance of winning a championship so he should finish his career over there, where he got started. I agree on Wang too.
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KelsdadAll-Star
945 days ago
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First, Showalter has screwed up the three teams he has managed. He's an idiot. Second, he is already employed and apparently happy, so no need to leave where he is. The Yankees for the first time in a long time have a top 10 minor league system, so the rebuilding has begun. Most of their talent is at the lower minor league level, so three to four years is when some of these kids will begin to make their mark.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
944 days ago
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How can you blame Joe Torre when three of his starting pitchers going down with injury and now even Karstens is injured. Because of the starting pitcher's ailments, the bullpen had to be used immensely and is now overworked. It's a vicious cycle. Unless you give Torre a magic wand, there is nothing he can do about that. The team has been in the playoffs every year since he's been here. Let him finish the season off. If he is fired, it won't be because of his managing ability. Blame Steinbrenner and Cashman for signing all of these overpaid players and disrupting the chemistry of the team. Torre still managed to bring them to the playoffs despite their oversized egos. Buck Showalter is not someone I'd hire to rebuild anything. And I could personally do without the Rocket.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
936 days ago
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This is the work of a complete jackass.
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