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The Two Franchise All-Stars (MLB)

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by user Manny Stiles

Everyone can name a tremendous list of players that played their entire career with one team - Johnny Bench, Robin Yount, Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken, Mike Schmidt Don Mattingly... on and on...

And you probably are aware of my fascination with guys that had extremely short tenures with franchises - a.k.a. "The Pete Rose Game"


When randomly perusing stats, every once in a while a new trivia question will pop into my head. Problem is, the trivia I am curious about rarely has an easy answer - for instance - Was there ever a switch hitter that hit a cycle one game strictly as a righty and one strictly as a lefty?

Today I am pondering, WHO are the Two-Franchise All-Stars and WHO has the perfect two-franchise career?


Here is the criteria: The player had to be somewhat significant. They MUST have played for two franchises as close to equally as possible - so Ozzie Smith is a better Two-Franchise player than Willie Mays because Say Hey played one and a half seasons with the Mets, Ozzie played 4 with the Padres... so the closer to 50-50 the better!

So Christy Mathewson might actually be the WORST player in this game thanks to his ONE game played as a Cincinnati Red. (I'll always remember him as a Red!)

This also rules out players like Babe Ruth, Warren Spahn and Jimmie Foxx who dabbled with a third franchise.

So here's the editable list of quality 2 franchise careers

C - Carlton Fisk, Mickey Cochrane,

1b - Rod Carew, Mark McGwire,

2b - Eddie Collins, Frankie Frisch

SS - Honus Wagner, Ozzie Smith, Arky Vaughn

3B - Scott Rolen, Home Run Baker,

LF - Barry Bonds, Manny Ramirez

CF - Ken Griffey Jr., Sam Crawford

RF - Vladimir Guerrero,

SP - Lefty Grove, Mike Mussina, Bob Welch, Catfish Hunter, Tom Glavine, Andy Pettitte, Christy Mathewson, Lefty Gomez

RP - Tug McGraw, Trevor Hoffman, Troy Percival,


Bench - Willie Mays, Paul O'Neill, Billy Williams, Dwight Evans, David Ortiz, Ron Santo, Frank Malzone, Bobby Grich, Ryne Sandberg, Steve Garvey, Mark Grace, Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron and Yogi Berra.

Honarable mention - Harmon Killebrew wore three unis, but only for two franchises.

It's pretty tough to decide who has the "BEST" (closest to 50-50) career... It might be Tug McGraw...

Can you think of any I missed? I might try a basketball and football one of these later...

I have a gut feeling the Three Franchise All-Stars would be a VERY good team as well!

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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Was the Boston Red Sox and Boston Braves two different franchises?
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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nope, same franchise...no one in boston really like the braves though...
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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err sox and braves are not...
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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argh...i'm an idiot...boston red sox are the current sox...braves moved to milwaukee then atlanta...
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Wait, so are they or no?
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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o ok got it, didnt know that
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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ha...not the same...
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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its almost the end of the friday work day...you'll just have to excuse me...
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KelsdadAll-Star
892 days ago
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Actually, they were different.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
891 days ago
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Interesting side note: Eddie Mathews was the only player to play in all three Braves' cities, Boston, Milwaukee and Atlanta. So he wore three uniforms for one franchise.
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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Who's the manager?
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ChristofMVP
892 days ago
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Sparky Anderson?
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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Lou Piniella?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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actually Sparky is what got me thinking about this a while back... he had damn near the perfect 50-50 managing career
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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What's the minus for?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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browser slippage caused me to miss the reply button; minuses happen
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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ooohhhhh...that's fine...i just hate minus w/o reason...alright, fair enough...I do that all the time
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RomiezzoLegend
891 days ago
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Grady Little?
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JamelAll-American
892 days ago
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How is this fun?
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DNLLegend
892 days ago
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Involves brain. Long story.
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JamelAll-American
892 days ago
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So coming up with silly lists are fun? This is boring. I'm bored.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Go write your own article then, jackass... try mixing in some sports with it.
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JamelAll-American
892 days ago
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Jackass?? That's kind of mean for a Friday isn't it?
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ChristofMVP
892 days ago
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Good list.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Jason Giambi
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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I considered him (and a bunch of the late 90's A's that went elsewhere - Tejada, Zito, Hudson) - remains to be seen...
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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He won the MVP with the A's and was voted into the all star game 3 times as a Yankee. What else can he do?
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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not steroids?
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Well he has Barry Bonds on the list...
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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sorry, just mocking the giambino...
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DNLLegend
892 days ago
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I added Ryno. 13 games, 1 hit as a Phillie.  :)
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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a great trade btw...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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I already had him on the bench
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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I'm confused manny (and it probably has something to do with today being friday, as you can see above). Is the point to be a significant player that was closest to playing half their games with a franchise (and the other half with another), or to have played with 2 franchises, or to have player with 2 franchises and been good with both?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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it's a fine balance. The closer you are to 50-50 the better you are. Of course, a HoFer that went 80-20 might be better than a scrub whoe went 50-50.

But you won't be a starter if you played a season or less with team #2

Such as the case with SS. Honus played less years with his other team than Ozzie, but the difference is not much and Wagner was a much better SS. Now Vaughn played weith the Browns about as long as Ozzie did with the Padres, but Ozzie was more productive for both teams than Arky was...

So yeah, basically I just made it up as I went!
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Aramis Ramirez
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JamelAll-American
892 days ago
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Willie Mays
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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He already has him
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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on the bench...
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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Ok...I'm about to laugh...Mo Vaughn?...actually is a three team...hahaha...sorry mets fans...hahaha
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JuTMSY4Legend
892 days ago
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and Jim Thome
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RomiezzoLegend
892 days ago
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Larry Walker? (Expos and Rockies)
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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He finished his career in St Louis
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RomiezzoLegend
891 days ago
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My bad. I thought it was for 2 of the major teams a player played for...
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Norm Cash to the bench
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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It's harder than you think... finding the relievers were the toughest!
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Hank Greenberg to the bench
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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dammit! I had him in mind when I started this and forgot to add him!
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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lol, 6 and counting :-P
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
892 days ago
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Sure you did Manny- are you gonna say that about everyone?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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maybe... I'll always remember Greenberg as a Pirate!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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and there's PLENTY of people I didn't consider... I was going for a strong as ALL-time roster as I could. Luzinski, Giambi, Norm Cash, , guys like that were just below the cut. Where does it end? Alex Fernandez? Alvin Davis? Marty Barrett? I didn't want to list them all and I didn't want a 50-man roster.

It was just an expression of another unique Stiles idea, feel free to one-up my roster if you choose!

Too bad there's only 4 guys who played with the Yankees and Mets exclusively there's 19 from the two Chicago teams and we could have had a sim-off! 8 played for the Angels and Dodgers exclusively
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Ok fine, I was just going by your question: "Who are the Two-Franchise All-Stars?" I guess I took the "All-Star" part too literally. So do I win the game?
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Jay Buhner to the bench
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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...meh
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Greg Luzinski
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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and you have to take off Chuck Klein, he was briefly with Pittsburgh.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Congrats, you found my "see if I can sneek it past everyone" bogus entry! Well done! (I was gonna slip Richie Ashburn or Robin Roberts in... usually an old time Phillie)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
892 days ago
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Andre Dawson
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Yeah, I forgot him... He only played for the Red Sox and Marlins! Nice catch! Down with Sarcasm!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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I saw him hit a Home Run with the Marlins, then use a walker to circle the bases... his knees were noisier than the crowd! If you ask me in 1988 if Hawk is a Hall of Famer, I would have said YES!
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InsanMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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He played for 4 teams
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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Definitely on the four team all-stars
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
892 days ago
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Maglio Ordonez
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JamelAll-American
892 days ago
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Jamel Bryant- he played in the big leagues you just haven't heard of him before- he played for the Blue Jays and Detroit in the 90s. Great guy. More interested in beer and boobs than baseball so they had to let him go. He always was looking for a bull to hit.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
892 days ago
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Frank Robinson..Reds thought he was washed up and he went to Orioles and think he won the Triple Crown
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KelsdadAll-Star
892 days ago
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Also played for more than two teams.
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KelsdadAll-Star
892 days ago
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If you wrote this article in September, would Elijah Duke's name be on it?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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He wouldn't qualify. He's only a rookie.
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KelsdadAll-Star
892 days ago
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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I know you will, but your starters are the ones closest to the 50/50?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
892 days ago
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I'm not really sure. I just pioneer ideas then let the stat geeks perform their blessed geekiness.
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KelsdadAll-Star
892 days ago
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Why is Don Drysdale on the list? Only played for one team.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
891 days ago
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the St Louis Browns weren't a team?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
891 days ago
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Duh... BRO is Brooklyn, not BROwns... I'm stupid sometimes!
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JamelAll-American
892 days ago
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This is all too complicated- I will write a nice column for everyone soon- I'm sure you all can't wait. Too many rules.
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JCantRootWaterboy
891 days ago
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I kinda liek this one Manny, here are some off the top of my head: Paul O'Neill, Cecil Cooper, Jeff King, Terry Steinbach
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JCantRootWaterboy
891 days ago
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Here's a reliever - Brian Harvey, he had some good save years
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
891 days ago
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Paul Molitor tops the list of Three-Team All-Stars. You could do a Journeymen All-Stars. Might be fun to see what talent we could find out of players who spent time with 5+ teams. I'd consider Cecil Cooper for this one though. He was a five-time regular All-Star.
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RomiezzoLegend
891 days ago
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I can't believe all of us neglected Carlos Delgado...
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WizardmanRed-Shirting
891 days ago
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I don't know if Ozzie had enough of a split in time for him to count as a two-franchise player.
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