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The Phillies’ Precarious Pat Problem

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by user JuTMSY4

Yes, Pat Burrell’s contract is up at the end of the 2008 season, and yes he’s still making 13 million this year and 14 million next, but Burrell’s effect on the Philadelphia Phillies could not only effect them for the next two years, but perhaps for the foreseeable future.

What Will the Phillies ever do with Pat the Bat
What Will the Phillies ever do with Pat the Bat

Right now, Burrell is essentially untradeable. In 2002, after a 37 Home run, 116 RBI campaign, Burrell signed a 6 year, 50 million dollar contract, with a full not trade clause. This move was seen as, perhaps, the crowning achievement of the Ed Wade era in Philadelphia. Burrell followed up his 2002 campaign with a 21 homer, 64 RBI (.209 avg) year in 2003, and a 24 homer, 84 RBI (.257 avg) in 2004. Burrell was thought to be back in 2005, hitting 32 home runs, knocking in 117 RBIs and batting .281. That season was merely an aberration, as Burrell returned to form in 2006 with a surprisingly decent 29 homers, 95 RBI, .258 avg 2005. Burrell is now back to 2003, batting .205 with 8 homers and 31 RBIs in about a half season’s work, well worth his 13.25 million dollar salary.

The Phillies have tried to move Burrell, with possible trades to the New York Yankees and Anaheim Angels, but both teams were unwilling to foot more than a sizable chunk of the Burrell bill and the Phillies, being fiscally savvy (or cheap), refused to budge. Moreover, as seen with the Bobby Abreu trade, the Phil were going to get little in return for an overpaid, lackadaisical and questionably talented/motivated ballplayer. The fact is, for both the team and the fans, Pat Burrell is here to stay until 2008.

But Pat Burrell is costing Philly fans much more than the small (heh) fee to watch him play (or not). With Pat Burrell’s currently poor average of .205 (and baffling .373 OBP) and even poorer power production (8 HRs and 31 RBIs, again), Pat Burrell, as of late, has actually managed to make his when to the pine. As such, young speed demon, 24 year old Michael Bourn (Who is making $380,000 this year) has managed his way into left field and the two hole in the lineup. Currently, Bourn is batting a robust .294 (.390 OBP), with 4 RBIs and 11 stolen bases, over, admittedly, 51 at bats. In the 2 years (total of 80 career games) Bourn has been in the majors, he’s collected 26 total stolen bases, namely during his pinch running duty (for Burrell no less).

With Bourn in the outfield, the Phillies have one of the best defensive (and fastest) outfields in the league, namely because of hard-nosed, fan favorite, centerfielder Aaron Rowand and outfield assist leader Shane Victorino in addition to the speedy Bourn…

(As I’m writing this, 8:24PM by my time, Ryan Howard just unloaded a pitch to straight away center…a solid 500 plus feet)

Naturally, you must be asking, am I so concerned the Phillies now have a fleet-footed young up and comer in the outfield. The Phils’ current centerfielder, Aaron Rowand, is a free agent at season’s end. Considering Rowand’s solid year (.313 avg, .341 OBP, 10 home runs and 39 RBIs), he is in line to clearly up his current 4.35 million dollar salary. The “Flyin’ Hawaiian” Shane Victorino is not arbitration eligible until the end of 2008 and is essentially “locked up” for the likely future. Should Bourn truly become a prominent ball player, he will deservingly take a starting spot in the outfield, but at what cost.

Being familiar with Phillies management (you really don’t even have to be), it should be obvious that if Victorino is signed and a very speedy Bourn earns a starting spot and one Pat Burrell, earning 14 million dollars in 2008 remains on the team (all but guaranteed), there leaves: a) no room for Rowand and b) Phillies management not willing to pony up the approximately 8 million dollars a year he will command. Naturally with the “investment” in Burrell, it is likely management, regardless of the fact that he’s in the final year of his contract, will want him to play and start in left field.

Rowand’s value is not only in his defensive prowess, his protection of one slugger named Ryan Howard or his very respectable average, but in his hard-nosed, “balls-out” style, example setting play and plain old leadership skills. The Phils have a .524 winning percentage with Rowand in the lineup and he’s been every bit a part of the Phillies 40 wins this season (having played in all of them).

With that said, it seems very unlikely the Phillies will resign Rowand and are apparently more than willing to let him walk, even more so as Michael Bourn exerts his presence. Unless someone is willing to keep sitting the 14 million dollar man, Pat Burrell, the Phillies will continue to tread water, and let current fan favorite, Aaron Rowand walk...all to save a buck

Damn the Money Pit


Great Pat the Bat Trivia

Pat’s infamous At Bat Music has included:

“Some Day” – Nickleback (2004)

“Holy Diver” – Dio (2005 & 2006)

“Baby One More Time” – Britney Spears (Late 2006)

“Dirty Laundry” – Don Henley (2007)

Chase Utley brought this to my attention in his Maxim Magazine Interview


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ChristofMVP
867 days ago
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He will be gone after 2008. The sad thing is, we are still in June of 2007.
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JuTMSY4Legend
867 days ago
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That much is true...but its going to cost us rowand...
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ChristofMVP
867 days ago
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You move Victorino to CF and put Bourne in RF. By doing so, you actually improve the outfield.
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KelsdadAll-Star
867 days ago
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He's untradeable because he has a no trade clause, not because of his stats. I know for sure the Dbacks had a deal last year for him but Burrell wouldn't waive the no trade.
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Tmil42AAA-er
867 days ago
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Question: Would you have rather gotten rid of Burrell or Abreu last year?
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JuTMSY4Legend
867 days ago
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Burrell...without question...
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RomiezzoLegend
861 days ago
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Tough one, huh JuTMSY4?
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KelsdadAll-Star
867 days ago
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From a Phillies standpoint, maybe. What if Burrell went to New York last year and Abreu was stinking up Philly like he's stinking up New York? Would this article have been posted with Abreu's name replacing Pat's? Thing is, I like Burrell. Probably one of the most disappointing players in baseball, guy has serious skills. Amazing to me how someone can be satisfied by being "average."
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JuTMSY4Legend
867 days ago
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Sorta...no one would/did/will ask Abreu to protect Howard like Burrell...Abreu would be in the 3 hole while Utley did the protecting...that might have changed things...for everyone involved...its hard to speculate...but at least abreu would be gone at the end of the season and the phillies would probably resign rowand over Abreu...mostly because rowand would be cheaper...
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JuTMSY4Legend
867 days ago
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last year howard batted a lot of 5...and moved up to 4 when he got really hot...
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PeanMajor Leaguer
867 days ago
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more importantly, what the F brand of baseball card is that in the pic??
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KelsdadAll-Star
867 days ago
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Good point, JuT, one is the protector, one the protectee. Totally different responsibilities, maybe the thing to do is put Utley #2, Burrell #3, Howard #4 and Rollins #5. I know in spring training the Phils experimented with Rollins in the five hole, Burrell would get alot more pitches to hit in front of Howard than behind. Somebody should get try and get a message to Manuel, about 10 minutes after he takes his Alzheimer's pill.
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JuTMSY4Legend
867 days ago
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Ha, I think I argued with User:Davis21Wylie about where burrell should bat...apparently the best spot is leadoff...Rollins protecting howard...especially with the way bourn and vic have been playing, almost seems reasonable...

Utley is a natural 3, he belongs there...just to play with the lineup though

1 - Bourn, 2 - Victorino, 3 - Utley, 4- Howard, 5 - Rollins...hell, just bench burrell...he can't hit...
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
867 days ago
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As a Mets fan, here's my suggestion. Burrell is a pinch hitter, plain and simple. Unless he plays the Mets. He starts every game against the Mets because in '02, 36 of those 37 homers were against the Mets. (although about 29 were off Benitez).
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JuTMSY4Legend
867 days ago
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No doubt Burrell is a Mets killer and will most likely play 3 out of the 4 games (not playing in one of the double header). My point is, I agree, Burrell should ride the pine and handle pinch hitting duty, but Phillies management wants him to play because of the pay...but since he's sucking and being benched, Michael bourn is playing and looks legit...if he continues to play well, he will get and deserve a spot...but Burrell will need to play next year, which will mean that someone needs to go...rowand is an FA at the end of the year...so he's gone...
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
867 days ago
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Well I hope you are right becuase I want to see him at Shea even less than Howard (not really). A smart GM (IE not Gillick) sucks it up, offers to pay most of his $$ and sends him somewhere for a couple bullpen arms. That way, you can justify the $$ for strengthening your weakest point.
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JuTMSY4Legend
867 days ago
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Burrell's still got a no trade...but, its not the GMs call as far as the cash...Dave Montgomery isn't willing to foot the bill (say 20 of the 27 mil owed?) for a player he doesn't have, even if it helps the team...Its not Gillick's fault, its the owners...
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ChristofMVP
867 days ago
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You should look at Pat the Batless' pinch hitting numbers. They are worse than the numbers he puts up when he plays everyday.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
867 days ago
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I was really only putting that to suggest they need to keep him around to kill the mets.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
867 days ago
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Wish I could vote twice for this article it is so well written and informative. Burrell is like an albatross to the Phillies they can't get rid of. Michael Bourn deserves a chance to play more often but as long as Burrell is around they can't afford to sit Burrell. With 19 extra base hits and 77 total bases Burrell is not helping the Phillies. Compare those numbers to Chase Utley having 44 extra base hits and 168 total bases and it shows just how bad Burrell is hitting this year.
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JuTMSY4Legend
867 days ago
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Bourn will most likely start next year...but he will take rowand's spot...and the phillies won't sign arguably the most important player, rowand...Having Utley and Howard is one thing, but Rowand is the catalyst mentally, he keeps them going and is the reason they got jumpstarted last year...
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TehLokiVarsity Captain
867 days ago
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I was disappointed when we resigned Burrell to that ridiculous contract. The only way I se the Phils trading off Burrell is by sending Burrell and a propspect (namely Fabio Castro or Yeol hernedez) to some team for a lower grade prospect or 2, preferably 1 Relief pitcher to help our lackluster bullpen in the future. I have been watching Bourn since he was drafted and I'm impressed. He has great on base smarts, great plate discipline and is a much better fielder.I say start him and give him a chance to prove his worth.
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The sharkDraft Pick
867 days ago
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That blast by Howard was AMAZING.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
831 days ago
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None of you haters have much to say now, eh? Burrell is currently 11th in the league in OPS and will likely improve on that. Historically, the guy has put up good numbers where it counts, has suffered from injuries but not used them as an excuse, yet gets pounded by fans who don't know the game. Untradable now? Probably right, as the Phils probably want to keep him for '08 unless they get bowled over by an offer. Right now they need power as an outfield of Bourn and Victorino lacks punch, and Helms, Dobbs, and the rest of the cast outside of the All-stars are average at best.
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JuTMSY4Legend
831 days ago
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In what history does he put up great numbers when it counts...when?
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JuTMSY4Legend
831 days ago
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AND HE IS UNTRADABLE

The phils had a deal in place with minnesota to get Kevin Slowey and Burrell nixed it because of his no trade clause...

You're an idiot, know your stuff if you're gonna talk
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
831 days ago
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HAD moron (and not sure why you would have such information unless you're butt-munching Howard Eskin). And looks like they'd have really benefited from that deal- to the point they'd be sellers at the deadline. I guess all those RBIs were in times that never counted... same garbage the idiot Schmidt bashers said for years. Read a little about the misconceptions re: "clutch" hitting and you'll realize that complaints about a lack of clutch hitting are often unfounded.
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JuTMSY4Legend
831 days ago
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55 RBIs this season..

and http://sport...l/mlb.p.6375

its also well known that the phils have tried to move pat, but can't

http://sport...p;id=2653713
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
831 days ago
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which is almost 1 every 5AB/6PA. Attempts to move him probably ended 2 weeks ago(not sure the relevance of the Nov 2006 article). Would I trade Burrell? Not til end of season, and then only for a young thumper or #3 starter, and only because I project him as having only 3 years left due to age, accumulated injuries. By SABRmetric analysis, Burrell is a proven run producer. He gets on base, drives in runs, and scores runs (not even considering all the runs he would ahve scored had he not be run for late in the game). I don't care about his lack of speed (I'm sure his foot injury, about which he never complains, contributes to this). Speed is good in the OF, but grossly overated on the bases, and even less important in this high slugging era in which almost every team should be playing Weaver ball and not looking to "manufacture" runs.
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JuTMSY4Legend
831 days ago
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Pat's doubles are singles...that's how slow he is...

and he bats behind 2 potential (and 1 current) MVP in Rollins, Utley and Howard...geez, even i'd see good pitches in that lineup...

On top of that Pat is untradable because

A) He makes 13 mil this year and 14 next

B) He has a full no trade claus

The point of the nov article was to show how untradable he is...Gillick has tried to move him...repetedly to no avail...you could have a vic, Bourn, Rowand outfield and probably score just as many runs adn win more games than the one with burrell...plus its waaaaaay cheaper and the team could use that cash to acquire pitching talent (which is the phils biggest problem)
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
831 days ago
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you'd see good pitches if you were IN FRONT of Rollins, Howard, and Utley. Otherwise you'd see what Burrell sees- which contributes to his BB total. There's no reason to pitch to Burrell with Helms or Nunez and Barjas/Ruiz behind him. Coste is a major improvement and might have something to do with Burrell's resurgence.

14 mil/yr is about the going rate now for the kind of production Burrell will give you. Certainly better spent money than the Eaton or Garcia contracts.

Bourn is one who should be traded now. He has value now. He may have upside, but it will never emerge under the tutelage of the Phillies coaches- no one ever improves under them. Bourn will be lucky to have a career similar to Doug Glanville's.
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JuTMSY4Legend
831 days ago
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In front of Rollins Utley and Howard...which in the normal lineup would be? Who? Victorino? Umm...the pitcher...umm nunez, Ruiz and/or...Burrell?!

On top of that, when guys like Utley and Howard get on base, we need someone to drive them in...which Rowand has done and Pat didn't...hence the reason he got dropped to 6th...I defended the guy for years because of his numbers...it hasn't paid off

For comparison sake...no one on the mets is making above 14.5 mil this year (highest paid outfielder, beltran is making about 13.5), Thome is making 15.6 (former phillie jim thome, none the less), potential league MVP magglio Ordonez is making 13.5mil, perenial MVP Vlad Guerrero is making 14.5, Homer run, strike out master Adam Dunn is making 10.5

Pat Burrell's 13 is hardly the going rate for a burrell caliber player...
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
788 days ago
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you look like an ass now
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JuTMSY4Legend
501 days ago
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And now...Rowand is raking in San Fran...and honestly, woudl you rather have burrell's power or Rowand's consistency?
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JuTMSY4Legend
397 days ago
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now i look like an ass
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KelsdadAll-Star
397 days ago
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told you so...but at least you didn't pick the Mariners!!
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JuTMSY4Legend
397 days ago
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I can't complain about being wrong...

Then again, Rowand has a phenomenal year in SF without any protection...

He still turns doubles into singles and is god awful slow in the OF as well...but I can't complain about the homers when it counts right now...

He is streaky, but the streak's coming at the right time...
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