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The Last of the 300 Game Winners?

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by JMoffat

On Sunday night, Tom Glavine earned his 300th victory over my beloved Cubs. I was happy to see him do it, because I like Tom Glavine(who doesn't), but I wish it could have came against someone else, like the Brewers.

Anyways....the argument has now begun on whether or not Tom Glavine will be the last 300th game winner. The answer to this question:Absolutely not.

Many argue that in today's game, the hitter is bigger, faster, stronger, and more apt to hit the ball out of the park. I am not arguing against that. Many say that pitchers are disabled quicker, and won't be able to throw like that used to in order to get to 300 wins. I'm not arguing against that either.

Let's just say......Jake Peavy wins 6 more games this year. That would be 75 wins in his career. He's only 26, so let's say he picthes for 17 more years. That sounds like a long time, but it's about as long as some people in the pros now. In these 17 years, he only has to average about 15 wins a season to get to 300. A long shot, I know, but we have all seen that Jake Peavy is VERY capable of taking down today's "power hitters".

Now let's go for a real prediction. Tim Lincecum or Cole Hamels. We don't know a lot about Cole Hamels now, since he is just coming out, but we do know that with a 12-5 record, a 3.50 E.R.A, a 1.15 WHIP, and 148 K's in 153+ innings, who's to say he can't win 300 games? Who's to say that as Hamels continues to grow, mature, and learn about major league hitters, that he doesn't overpower, oversmart, and overpitch these talented sluggers? Also, don't forget the run support Cole Hamels will get for years and years to come in the shape of Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, and the HIGHLY under appreciated Shane Victorino.

We may also be able to make the same argument for Tim Lincecum, the talented young righty from the lowly San Francisco Giants. Lincecum's numbers are a little skewed for this season, with the late call up and crappy run support. Lincecum has the velocity and breaking ball to get himself a butt load of wins in his career. He also isn't phased by "pitch counts". In his 17 starts this year, Lincecum averages 102 pitches per start. He has went over 100 pitches 11 out of 17 starts, 110 pitches 4 out of those 11, and his high was 116 pitches. His fastball is sharp and quick, and his breaking ball offsets his fastball greatly, which is likely to put a lot of "HR Hitters" on their toes on possibly back on the bench in the dugout.

All I'm trying to say is let's be open here. Saying something will never happen is a hard thing to say when 23 other people have done it already. Plus, how many people thought Hank Aaron's record was going to be broken when it happened?

I'm just saying.....


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Cory McKnightSoccer Kid
842 days ago
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I already wrote something like this. And it was better.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Douche Bag Comment of the day././.
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SSreportersLegend
842 days ago
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I can't give this anymore minusses.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Yeah...i've never said this...but..."I'd give you more minuses if i could"
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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Seriously that was the worse comment Ive seen in a while.
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SSreportersLegend
842 days ago
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The Chair was never meant to one-up somebody.
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SSreportersLegend
842 days ago
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Can this get to -10?
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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Well except for when I write, because then Im out to destroy everything in my path.
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SSreportersLegend
842 days ago
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It's amazing how one article can be tainted by a comment like the first one.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Let this be a lesson to some of the newer talent...Many AGMers like myself, argue and chat about many different topics and often times disagree. While there can be a large chunk of bad writing here (go to my profile and look at all my articles...heh),

any time someone puts in a good effort and gives us a nice discussion with factual details, we (or at least I) respect it

JMoffat, don't be discouraged...welcome to the 'chair
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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Well said Just. You can be a bad writer or a novice writer or anything else here at the Chair. We welcome you all. The one thing you cant be is an attacking writer, and attack the others on the Chair. That wil not be tolerated ever.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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-9, one more to go!!!
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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Woohoo! -11, new world record!
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Actually MJD has something like a minus 43...that's the record
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Yeah, pretty much all any regular at the chair asks for is writing, effort and some evidence... The author has done that, so I feel obligated to defend him...and many of you feel the same way...glad you guys do too...
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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To tell you the truth, I'm totally not surprised that MJD had -43 By the way, where's that article, I wanna make it -44
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RomiezzoLegend
842 days ago
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I once had -12. It was painful...
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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I went and unvoted his article since I could only minus the comment once.
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MegECass110AAA-er
842 days ago
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I see it like this: to win 300 games, you have to average 20 wins a year for 15 years in the majors. With the way guys get injured these days, I don't see it happening. Do you really think Jake Peavy is going to pitch until he's 43? You have to realize Roger Clemens is the exception, not the norm in the big leagues.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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and that's a fair reason ti eliminate Hamels...his minor league work shows him to be injury prone...knock on wood, Hamels has yet to deal with a serious pro-injury but the possibility looms...
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DRotch19JV Squad
842 days ago
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Also, back then there were 4 man rotations. Today, every team has a 5 man rotation, and even give the seasoned starters a day off once in a while. It will be incredibly impressive to see any pitches get to the 300 mark nowadays.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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I like Vic...he's a good ballplayer..he might be underappreciated (he scores a ton of runs...thanks to Utley, Howard and Rowand...), but he's not great by any means...he's a good ball player, fast as hell, nice glove and a hell of an arm...is he special no....am i happy he's on the phils? Yes
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MegECass110AAA-er
842 days ago
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He does have the greatest nickname in all of MLB. The Flyin Hawaiian.
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NejoshiDiv-I Stud
842 days ago
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teams need guys like victorino to be successful... his hustle generates havoc that allows guys like utley and howard to do their thing. he is definitely under valued.
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Badseed57Waterboy
842 days ago
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While I agree with Meg, the likelihood of any pitchers surviving 15 years with 20 wins or 20 years with 15 wins without major injury is scary. That said, there's always room to hope and surprises in baseball happen every day, so the idea that somebody may reach the plateau in the next couple decades is still real.
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EnyboDiv-I Stud
842 days ago
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From the Chicago Trib "Buehrle turned 28 in March, and earned his 106th victory on Friday. Glavine, also with a March birthday, had 108 victories at the end of the 1994 season, the season that started with his 28th birthday and ended with a strike."
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HappyskinnyAll-American
842 days ago
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Good point, but does anyone really think Buehrle will get to 300?
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WoodsmeisterVarsity Captain
842 days ago
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Depends on whether we get the 2005 Buehrle or the 2006-2007 Buehrle from here on out.
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Ea34Div-I Stud
842 days ago
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Interesting stat about Buerle. I don't think Glavine's the last to reach 300 wins, although it may be a while before someone else does. Lincecum and Hamels have the stuff to do it, but it's far too early to put them in the discussion. Of guys who have already put together a good body of work, I think Buerhle, Sabathia and Oswalt have the best shot.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Personally, besides Sabathia, no one else really has a chance... From there, ya gotta start looking at the real youngins, like hamels and lincecum
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Ea34Div-I Stud
842 days ago
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Of the three pitchers i listed above, Sabathia (95 Ws, age 26) would be most likely to do it, Roy Oswalt (110 Ws, age 29), followed by Buehrle.
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Ea34Div-I Stud
842 days ago
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Sorry, Sabathia's 27.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Sabathia certainly has the best shot among late 20s pitchers...
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Silencer76AAA-er
842 days ago
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I still stand by my statement about Carlos Zambrano, who has 78 wins and just turned 26 in June. The guy is a workhorse, and has been very durable so far in his career.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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The big Z certainly has a shot... He and Sabathia will both face the same problems as they age...being fat
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WoodsmeisterVarsity Captain
842 days ago
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Being fat hasn't stopped David Wells from pitching into his 40s.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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he also doesn't have 300 wins...
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Silencer76AAA-er
842 days ago
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Not to mention he was just designated for assignment yesterday by the Padres.
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Silencer76AAA-er
842 days ago
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lol yes, I do have to agree with that, though at least Z is only 255, where Sabathia last I checked was over 290. I think that is partially what derailed Bartolo Colon, he had some great years, and has been bitten by injuries the last few.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Colon has a bum shoulder...which is the hardest injury for a pitcher to return from

If I remember correctly, someone on this site mentioned glavine never had a trip to the DL...no coincidence that he's at 300 now...

more importantly...do you think its easier for a power pitcher (Clemens or Johnson) to hit 300 than it is for a finesse pitcher (Maddux or Glavine) to do it?
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Silencer76AAA-er
842 days ago
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For me, it seems that guys that don't throw 95-98 mph on a regular basis seem to avoid the DL more. These fireballers have a tendency to overthrow to try and get that little bit extra and end up doing all kinds of damage to the shoulder or rotator cuff. Of course then there is the worst case scenario, Tommy John surgery. Flamethrowers who have been derailed lately: Colon, Wood, Prior, the list goes on.
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KelsdadAll-Star
842 days ago
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Well, it was better.
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Yakob878MVP
842 days ago
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whith steroids now and the fact mangers are more carefull to let pichers pitch alot are why as some have stated above i thinki did not read all of them yet. its a shame to see a great milestone like that basically gone but thats they way it is. thats all
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
841 days ago
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i was just making an "out there" prediction....it's hard to say in the world of sports that nothing will ever happen...
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JMoffatWaterboy
841 days ago
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sorry that anonymous fanatic was me, the article writer.....i just wasn't signed in....
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JMoffatWaterboy
841 days ago
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as i look back on all these comments, i see many other people that could get to 300 with a few great years....buerhle, big z, oswalt, sabathia....how could u not think anyone could win 300 games? forever is a hard thing to say
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