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The Hawks Nest: QB Ratings Discussion

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by Afraidofedhochuli

From: http://afraidofedhochuli.blogspot.com/

Matt Hasselbeck may be one of the most underrated Quarterbacks in the NFL. That sentence just made a few people stop reading
and made others wonder why this was said. Let me extrapolate.

Hasselbeck has had seven seasons in the NFL where he started. Also his first two seasons he was a back-up in Green Bay where he threw a total of 29 passes. Matt’s on pace this season for 4,199 yards and 26 TDs, which will be his highest yardage amount of his career and tie his career high for touchdowns. His career “Quarterback Rating” is 85.7.

People are reading these numbers right now confused…so let me break this down.

The calculation of “Quarterback Rating” has been confusing to a lot of fans of the NFL. When we watch games we see graphics which show us what a QB’s rating is or we hear how great he is doing and that his rating is excellent, and most of us just gloss over it.

Why? Is it because we have heard for so long that it is a difficult and strange algorithm? Or is it because it just sounds so strange? Maybe it is because we have no idea how it is calculated.

So I did some research. I wanted to show people that the play of Matt Hasselbeck has been good (if not great) this season (and during his career). So I crunched some numbers and came up with some interesting information.

First a brief discussion of the “math” of the “QB Rating” (As simple as possible):

Per Wikipedia :   “Passer rating is determined by four statistical components, each of which is computed as a number between zero and 2.375. The benchmarks for these statistics are based on historical averages. If any of the components are less than zero, they are reckoned as zero; if any are over 2.375, they are reckoned as 2.375.

  •  The component for completion percentage, C, is calculated as:

[(COMP/ATT) X 100-30] / 20


  • The component for yards per attempt, Y, is calculated as:

[(YDS/ATT) – 3] X 1/4


  • The component for touchdowns per attempt, T, is calculated as:

(TD/ATT) X 20


  • The component for interceptions per attempt, I, is calculated as:

2.375 – [(INT/ATT) X 25]


The four components are then added, divided by 6, and multiplied by 100. Thus, the formula for passer rating can be given as:


{[(max(min(C,2.375),0) + max(min(Y, 2.375),0) + max(min(T,2.375),0) + max(min(I,2.375,0)] / 6} X 100


And for whatever reason the cap is at 158.3 for the NFL…so…grasp that for a while.


(Or…go to this site: http://www.primecomputing.com/ and insert the numbers you want.)


Steve Young holds the NFL career record with a 96.8 “Quarterback Rating”. But how do others fare? I will give you the “Big 3”.

Dan Marino:

Marino played 17 years in Miami, notching several records (that wouldn’t be broken until 2007) in Pass Attempts, Completions and Passing TDs. His record of Passing Yards still stands. Marino is seen by many as the greatest QB of all time even without a championship. What was his “Quarterback Rating”? 86.38

Brett Favre:

Favre is now in his 17 th year in the NFL and as mentioned above his is now the holder of the Career records in Pass Attempts, Completions and Passing TDs. He is number 2 in Passing Yards. He has 2 trips to the Bowl and one ring. Even with all of the talk of possible retirement he has come back and led his team to a one loss record in 2007. His rating is: 85.86

John Elway:

“Elway never had any sort of team around him” – A Bronco Fan/Friend of mine.

I would agree…to an extent. In the 16 years that Elway was at the helm, the Broncos had Shannon Sharpe, Steve Atwater, Terrell Davis and Bill Romanowski at one time or another. But, Elway can’t be overlooked as the main reason. With him they made the Bowl five times and walked away the Champs twice. He ranks top 4 in all of the 4 major categories: Pass Attempts, Completions, Passing TDs and Passing Yards. His “Quarterback Rating” is a modest 79.86.

So, back to Hasselbeck.

85.7. This season is 89.6. His lowest season was a 70.9, his first season starting, and his first in Seattle.

Don’t believe that he is a good QB? Do you trust Mike Holmgren? The guy who coached Joe Montana (92.26 Career QB rating), Young and Favre? He traded for Hasselbeck shortly after he came to Seattle. He saw something.

And who has he had?

Yes, Shaun Alexander  has been there, but what about Receivers? Darrell Jackson was never very consistent, Koren Robinson was always in trouble and couldn’t hold on to the ball, Bobby Engram was never used effectively, TE Itula Mili   only went over 500 yards once in his career, Jerramy Stevens was the TE version of Robinson. The best year was 2005 when he had Joe Jurevicius lining up outside.

Hasselbeck has been a consistent leader on a team that has had problems with receivers. He has led the team on and off the field, always knowing when to joke and when to be serious with the media. Does that make a difference?

Take a look at this season. This may be the first year since he has been here that no one has been arrested, received a DUI, indicted, gone to rehab or mouthed off to the front office. The front office should be given a lot of credit for bringing in guys like Deion Branch, Marcus Pollard and Patrick Kerney, but Matt has shown that he has a firm grasp on the team.

He ranks 10 th this season (8 th for QBs that have started all 11 games) in QB Rating behind the likes of Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Carson Palmer and Favre. He ranks ahead of guys like: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Derek Anderson.

Matt Hasselbeck is better then you think.

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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
761 days ago
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What does a quarterback rating have to do with the price of peaches in Belgium?
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JuTMSY4Legend
761 days ago
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same ratio as shrute bucks to stanley nickles...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
761 days ago
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Rex Grossman wants you to defend his rating next.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
761 days ago
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that hurts dude...painful...
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JuTMSY4Legend
761 days ago
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The only people who ever seem to car about QB rating are people who have had good ones...basically Steve Young
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
761 days ago
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I think it is importants. I mean it takes into account completion percencetage, TDS, INTs, all of the major stats.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
760 days ago
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too much math... I need an ADULT! I need an ADULT! Quick, to the HiendenPeter!!!
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
760 days ago
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"Sir, I need you to move your van off of the diving board...oh..no, Hey, Frank, it isn't a van. It's just a fat kid!"
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SSreportersLegend
760 days ago
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Hasselbeck does not get the credit because of this 7-4 record in my opinion. He's having a great year.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
760 days ago
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I think that Holmgren has stunted him a little, always wanting to run. Matt is smart and accurate.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
760 days ago
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Elway never had Freeman or Dorsey Levins. Know your players if you are gonna post
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
760 days ago
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well, ANONYMOUS, don't be a d*ck. The information I took was from http://www.p...ference.com/ and the info i got was incorrect. Sorry if that made ruined your day. Either create an account or log in if you are going to make a comment like this.
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JuTMSY4Legend
760 days ago
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He had Rod Smith and Terrell Davis...coincidently, he won the super bowl with those guys...go figure...
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JuTMSY4Legend
760 days ago
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he had rod smith for about 4 years ( i think)...actually that was around the same time as Freeman...

Dorsey Levins...terrell davis...

at least favre or hasselbeck never spurned the colts...

Elway did...
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IbeargRed-Shirting
760 days ago
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I don't know if this is true, but i heard somewhere that players in the west coast offense (well those who don't suck completely anyway) tend to have a greater qb rating because of the fact that they throw shorter passes for a higher percentage. Again don't know if that's true, but i'm pretty sure i heard something like that from one of the talking heads somewhere
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
760 days ago
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It's true. But that is why I wanted to make sure that you were aware of the yardage numbers. Matt would be on pace to be "elite" but Holmgren got Alexander. He has stated over the last week that since he had a premier rusher he didn't need to throw as much.

If you look at Young and Favre, they had "good" backs, but never someone of the caliber of Alexander.

Hasselbeck is a very good quarterback. And when it is all said and done may be in the top 10 all time in some categories. He is accurate, smart and semi-mobile.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
760 days ago
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First of all, I can ruin the credibility of this friend of yours, the Bronco fan. If Elway never had any sort of team around him, then how the hell did you get the chances to lose all those Super Bowls? The guy went to 5 Super Bowls in his career and he had no team around him? You've got to be kidding me. What about the Orange Crush?

As for Hasselbeck, yeah, he's having a good season. But yards aren't the reason. Many passers have had great yardage seasons and fail to even lead their teams to the playoffs. Jon Kitna has some good stats and his team is 6-5. You could say the same for Drew Brees and his 5-6 Saints.

Hasselbeck has always been a slightly above average quarterback, on the cusp of being mentioned among the elite. But that's where it ends. He's in the top 10 every year, but usually falls in that last spot. You said it best. He's good, but not great.

And I hate John Elway, but he was a damn good quarterback and always had solid supporting casts.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
760 days ago
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I love that ou want to run my friends credibility. The guy that lives and dies by the Broncos...but that is fine. You are anonymous.

And I never said it was because of yardage. I was simply stating that he is on pace for his best statistical season. Did you read the full article? And so what if he falls in the 10th of 10 spot. When you look at the rest of the list...he is still one of the best.

If he was in a Peyton Manning-style offense, he may have better nuimbers. But he isn't. He is in a Holmgren-style "West Coast".
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TehLokiVarsity Captain
760 days ago
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It's better he's not in a Manning style offense. Hasselback thrives in the west coast offense. He's a very smart QB who doesn't need, or want, to throw deep often. Kill the defense with short passes underneath and intermediate passes over the middle. It kills clock, keeps the opposing offense off the field longer and tires out the opposing defense. Hasselback should go down as one of the best. He's one of the smartest QBs. Yards, TDs and INTs aren't everthing, look at marino.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
760 days ago
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well said.
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HallowedbethynameSoccer Kid
759 days ago
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So you are saying that becuase Hasselbeck has been to ONE superbowl he should be compared to Dan Marino??? Marino went ONE superbowl but had the stats to back him up. Hasselbeck is not even in the class of Dan Fouts. In the era of a weak NFC he has been medicore at best. Also he is not a smart QB.
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SSreportersLegend
759 days ago
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I agree, he's not smart. Just ask the mere 8 people that intercepted him in 11 games.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
759 days ago
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not smart? back it up. Don't make claims and not back it up
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SSreportersLegend
759 days ago
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Very mediocre indeed, he sucks so much, he has thrown just 8 TD's and 3 INT's in his last 4 games.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
759 days ago
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Has never lead Seattle to back to back 10 win season throws untimely picks, has a skill of fumbling the ball at bad times. When Alexander has been hurt is unable to clearly lead the team. I would be willing to bet he finds a way for Arizona to win the NFC Worst
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SSreportersLegend
759 days ago
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Why is that relevant? They've won the NFC West 3 years in a row, what games are you watching? The Green Bay playoff one over and over again?
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