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The Day Bill Belichick Died To Me

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by Somecheesewiththat

I want to make it clear that just because I posted that quote I don't think what the Patriots did was okay. I like that the Packers refuse to use it as an excuse for losing, but I am ASTONISHED that people aren't more outraged about what the Patriots did.

The argument a lot of people give is that because Bill Belichick is such a good coach he didn't need to do this so it doesn't even matter that he did. What? Are you kidding me? How can we ever know definitively how good of a coach Bill is and how much he owes to cheating? No one can say for sure that this didn't help him or make him. The only person who can come close to knowing is Bill Belichick and he didn't stop videotaping after he was warned by the league. He didn't skip a game when he knew that his former mentee, Eric Mangini, was on to him. Clearly Belichick thought his videotaping was invaluable and worth the risk.

We all want to blast Barry Bonds, but knowing what the defense is going to do is infinitely more advantageous than taking steroids. Yet, Bonds is vilified and Belichick is laughed off. But if you were given the option of adding an extra 20 feet to every ball you hit or you could know exactly what pitch and where the pitcher was going to throw you're telling me you wouldn't pick the latter? And the Patriots have been accused before of jamming other team's radio frequencies (how the coaches communicate with the quarterback) so he may have known the opponent's offensive plays as well.

Another thing that is striking to me is how many media members just casually say we should put radio's in the defensive captains helmets and this wouldn't be an issue anymore. Oh, really, you don't think the NFL never thought of that before, that it wasn't obvious? The NFL has good reason for not doing this and one is because the defensive captain is usually involved in a lot more collisions than a quarterback and there would be an injury risk. Also, I am not quite sure how exactly this would work because the radios by rule are supposed to be shut off when the offense breaks the huddle. You can't have coaches talking to the quarterbacks, helping them read the defense. How would this work on defense when you don't dictate the time you spend in the huddle? What do you do against the Colts when you are never allowed to huddle? Plus, how will this stop Bill Belichick who may already be listening in on play calls?

And let's say that the Patriots cheating didn't help them one bit (even though it clearly did). Then wouldn't Bill Belichick have to be one of history's biggest morons, right up there with Richard Nixon, because he cheated after being repeatedly warned to stop. I used to love Bill Belichick. He was supposed to stand for integrity, hard work, sacrificing for the team, doing things the right way. Now with this, his divorce (he reportedly had an affair with a married woman), his refusal to congratulate Eric Mangini after they beat New England last season, and his treatment of former linebacker, Ted Johnson, it becomes very difficult to conclude that Belichick is a good guy.

People will argue that it doesn't matter Belichick cheated because everyone else was. Well, I don't know for sure how many people do or don't cheat, but while he probably he isn't the only one cheating, there are those who don't cheat. Tony Dungy doesn't cheat, Vince Lombardi didn't cheat, Bill Walsh didn't cheat. It isn't fair that because Bill Belichick did cheat he will be remembered as a greater coach than these guys. Maybe if Belichick plays by the rules Tony Dungy is the one with 3 Super Bowl rings. Maybe the Steelers have 7 World Championships instead of 5. I hope Roger Goodell doles out a penalty with enough severity to make coaches think twice before cheating in the future. When Danny Almonte was found to be to old to pitch in the Little League World Series his team was forced to forfeit all it's games. But this punishment didn't allow all of the teams that now won to experience the joy of winning and going onto the next round, there were a team of boys out there who should have had the chance to experience playing in the little league world series that never did. There is no penalty that could give those boys what they lost. The same thing could be said for other NFL teams out there who are affected by the Patriot's cheating. Maybe there's a coach out there who would still have his job. One more win last year puts the Packers in the playoffs, how many other teams would have gotten a round further?

If it were up to me I would ban Bill Belichick from the NFL for life. In my opinion his actions hurt the integrity of the sport far more than what Pete Rose did. Because that will never happen, I will say I hope he is punished more than the assistant coach who was suspended five games for taking a banned NFL substance to treat impotence caused by his diabetes. If Roger Goodell doesn't come down hard on cheaters than he is punishing those who don't (and believe it or not there are coaches out there who don't cheat). Last night on a local Green Bay radio station former Packer Johnny Gray said something that I would like to end this rant with, "Why should the highest level of football be held to the lowest level of ethics?"


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JuTMSY4Legend
809 days ago
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2 thoughts:

"He didn't skip a game when he knew that his former mentee," - The word you're looking for is protege

Secondly, you're right, you cannot retroactively take stuff from the pats and give it to other teams...what's the point...if you told me, as an eagles fan, that we won superbowl 39, i'm be...well, i have no idea...it would be such a...well, it would be dumb...

The only thing you can do is affect their future...Now, i'm not sure what exactly...perhaps a suspension for the 'chick...or draft picks (or both?!)...I'm not sure...but i think the punishment should fit the crime (and not the results...even if a jackass attempts to rob a bank, he still gets punished as if he did)...

And another note...Simmons article with the football prospectus guy was a joke...just because other people did it and didn't get caught doesn't make it ok...

Is Slavery ok in the Sudan because the US used to do it?
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BrittschrammRed-Shirting
809 days ago
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I agree with you on the Simmons piece being a joke. Even as a Pats fan, reading to those two guys rehash something that I would like to see dead and buried is highly annoying.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
809 days ago
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Now you're getting into the whole issue of subjective morality. I don't think anyone on this site wants to go down that road.
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JuTMSY4Legend
809 days ago
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I think the point is...he cheated, like Merriman or Harrison (disregard LT's statement, I don't care)...he should be punished...and in this case...since he is, essentially, the captain of the pats ship, the team should be punished...I think it should be 4 games and a pick, but it'll be closer to (between) 2 games and a pick to a first and second day pick (2 & a 5...most likely)
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
809 days ago
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I feel like a 3rd, 4th, and 5th round pick and a 1 or 2 game suspension would be appropriate. I have not denied that we cheated, but when people start bringing in morals to the issue, things get out of hand.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
809 days ago
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"but knowing what the defense is going to do is infinitely more advantageous than taking steroids."

You should look up the word "infinite" it's a very interesting word

"And let's say that the Patriots cheating didn't help them one bit (even though it clearly did)."

When was this clear help?

"If it were up to me I would ban Bill Belichick from the NFL for life. In my opinion his actions hurt the integrity of the sport far more than what Pete Rose did."

Pete Rose bet on games he had control over. There's a precedent of no tolerance for gambling in baseball. Belichick had a guy vieotape another team's signals and you seriously think he should be BANNED??!!? Is this whole post supposed to be a joke or something?
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JuTMSY4Legend
809 days ago
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More thoughts...

Rose's banning is more of a power thing...Rose being in or out of the HoF has little effect on the league (and i don't see how it would hurt it)...I would have little issue with him being banned from playing or being professionally involved with baseball...

Moreover, rose...and this is almost moot, bet on the reds...soooo...if his effect should be that he wanted the reds to win...then you're right...

Belichick committed a penalty...should be punished...I'm thinking 4 games and a 1st day pick...but i'm unsure...

As far as previous work...it can only be scrutinized (and it'll damage his legacy) but as far as league operations are concerned, they can't do anything
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JuTMSY4Legend
809 days ago
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Rather, I agree Rose Shouldn't be allowed to be professionally invovled with baseball...
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
809 days ago
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I would be fine with a 4 game suspension and first day pick taken away. And I'm assuming Rose only bet on his team to win (which is a big assumption I'll admit), but I just can't imagine a guy as competitive as Pete Rose purposely losing for any reason. I just don't think Rose's actions hurt the integrity of the sport as much as Belichick's. The precedent set in baseball was a ban for intentionally losing games, which I guess the MLB had to assume was happening because Rose wasn't honest. I just don't think cheating should be accepted. The rewards are too great for cheaters and the risk of getting caught so low that I really think you have to come down hard when you do catch someone. Otherwise change the rules so that everyone can videotape and steal signs, that way men with a conscience aren't at a disadvantage.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
809 days ago
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It's pretty easy to videotape and steal signs, just have a guy sitting in the first row do it. It's perfectly legal under NFL rules.
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Smmonroe2Varsity Captain
809 days ago
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Okay so the Patriots vidoe taped their own singals being sent out. There is no way it helped them in this game. Do you know how long it would take to match the signals to the play. If it was going to be used they would use it against the Jets next time and that doesnt do any good because most teams will change their signs on a regular basis.

So think about, the Jets took the Patriot playbook any way so they were in a sense taping themselves.

Every NFL team cheats just a matter of who gets caught.
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JuTMSY4Legend
809 days ago
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Haha...classic...ready? "If every else jumps off a bridge, would you?"
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Kingsrule41JV Squad
809 days ago
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Betting on your own team to win, or cheating so that your team wins. Is betting leaps and bounds worse?
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PolostatmanSoccer Kid
809 days ago
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Another example of why cheating is ok in football: this probably will result in a fine and that's it
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
808 days ago
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You are clearly an emotional person, but let's approach this intellectually: video taping (filming, polaroids, binoculars, you name it) are all aloowed by the NFL to record and glean what you can from the fray of the game. The only rule is you can only do that from designated places. The Patriots were taping in an unauthorized place. That's it. Amazing how dumb people are in America.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
807 days ago
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The sad part of this penalty is that it does not address the real problem. To understand the Belichick approach to winning Is that you push the rule book to the limit. Thats why they have won 3 championships. They are the NFL darlings, and never get penalized like other teams for the exact same infraction. During the first two playoff games against the Colts, I have never witnessed more defensive holding in one game in my life, than the Patriots did to the Colts. This was by design. Belichick knew the officials would never disrupt the flow of the game by throwing constant flags, and they did not. This allowed the Patriots to take a victory from a superior team! He is only a genius, when it comes to his interpretation of the rules. He knows how much he can bend them. Even when a new rule is made just for him (videotaping) He understands the risk/reward value and knows just what he can get away with! So even when the NFL says absolutely no video taping, he tests them on the very first game of the season. Will this be the last infraction from Belichick. No!!! he will find another loop hole and exploit it. He may even video tape again, but next time he will not be caught!
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
805 days ago
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In response to "Pats' 'videogate' doesn't diminish Super success" by Vic Carucci.

What happens if someone uses illegal drugs to increase physical potential? What are the punishments of such actions? How could cheating as flagrantly as Bill Belichick's cheating be considered any less offensive to the name of the sport as the usage of illegal drugs to boost physical potential? Even worse, if he got his entire team involved in the cheating.

This sport should not be about the money, or about doing anything and everything to win.

It should be about football, and it should be played with honors.

If anyone cheats, it should not be considered lightly, and just as if an individual player would have his entire reputation at risk for usage of illegal drugs to increase physical potential so should a coach for cheating.

It ruins the sport, it mocks it. This is professional footbal! Not acting wrestling entertainment! Keep it fair or suffer great penalties, not minor. Do we want to ruin the honor that is in football for all these decades?

An appology with a slap on the wrist will not cut!


Sure, there are a lot of players who use illegal drugs to increase their physical potential: That is wrong and needs to be stopped; players who get caught are in jepordy of not only losing their name in the hall of fame, but also their records as a discrace. And if coachs are cheating like Bill Belichick was, his entire reputation ought to be in question as well as that of their francise if he also got his team involved in the effort to cheat.

This is football!!!!

Keep it honorable!

Best regards,

A loyal ninners fan.
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