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Sport or No Sport: Auto Racing?

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by user Christof

Third in a Series.

Is auto racing a sport or not a sport? The answer to that question really involves how one views man's control over a machine.

It is true that the engine does most of the work in an auto race. The engine creates the power by which the car speeds around the race track. The only thing that a human does in this area is to place their foot on the gas pedal. Not much athleticism is needed to do that.

A human, however, does control where the car is going. Steering, epsecially at speeds close to and above 200 miles per hour with others cars going the same speed, does require great hand-eye coordination. In addition, a person needs to be in good physical condition to drive well during a 500 or so mile race. Finally, strategy is required. When to pass, how fast to go, when to draft, etc. Those questions are constantly being asked and aswered during an auto race.

Therefore, it is my opinion that Auto Racing IS a sport.

Do you agree?


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Mon 07/17/06, 7:48 am EST


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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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As much as I hate to say this Auto racing is a sport. The level of concentration it takes to drive one of those cars that long is amazing, and unlike poker or chess the drivers only have a split second to make a choice.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1249 days ago
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Yes, nowadays. The drivers have to be super fit to cope with physical forces of up to 5G on their bodies (maybe not on an oval, but in F1). Forty years ago probably not, due to the "pie and chips" nature of the sport. But now they are physically active. They even work in teams - in old F1, a driver may have to give up his car to help his team mate if his car was in trouble, or slow down to let a team mate with a chance of winning the Championship win a race he wouldn't. I may call it Motor Sport (along with the rest of Britain), but I agree with your standpoint.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1249 days ago
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Driving is a skill, not a sport. Danica Patrick is proof of this. Show me a woman who can play at an MLB, NBA, or NFL professional level, or even come close for that matter. They don't exist. I like that Danica is proving 1)driving is a skill based event and not an athletic competition, and 2) she finally gives me something to watch when racing highlights come on.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1249 days ago
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You are a retard. The discussion is whether AUTO RACING is a sport. We already know that the baseball, basketball and football are considered sports because of the level of athletic activity involved. Whether the participants are male or female is irrelevant. It's like saying basketball isn't a sport because Lisa Leslie plays. Moron.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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This is again one of those everyday things normal people do. I drive everyday. I also shower everyday and I also might make a sandwich everyday too. Does that mean those two are sports now? I can drive. Put me in Jeff Gordon's car and I'd compete.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1249 days ago
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Okay, say you can compete. Does that mean that you aren't athletic? Here's a question...why don't you see any 300lb fat asses driving these cars? Why aren't there 60-70 year old drivers? It's because you need to be in good physical condition and have the stamina to perform physically at a high level for hours at a time. It's quite a bit more energy than you expend when making a sandwich or taking a shower...For most people, anyway. Then again, I'm not sure how you make your sandwiches.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
1249 days ago
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Think about this: the average NASCAR race is about 3-4 hours long, 90% in the afternoon, and furthermore a significant number in the heat of summer. Cars get to 120 degrees very easily. Not to mention a sophisiticated machine fine tuned to drive as fast as humanly possible with a tiny margin of error in handling. Think you can handle it?
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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My father is a 46 year old rookie driver at a local race track. He has told me on several occasions he wants me to drive sometime. So yes, I think I can handle it.
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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Yes it is a sport. As to getting in Gordon's car and taking a shot at the track, Good luck and God Speed. Nascar, F1, Indy, it dosn't matter what series you are racing in, there is more to navigating these machines than a simple Monday morning cruise to work.

1. You deal with the heat. Players can lose up to if not more than 10 lbs a race.
2. THe physical strain to hold the car on the turns at forces we as non racers cannot comprehend.
3. I drive on the Chicago Expressways and with construction now it's as close as you can get to Daytona, but when you have a dozen cars around you as you are traveling 150+ mph with only inches between your car and others cars, a bit of a difficulty factor.
4. Try driving down the interstate and try to hug the wall with your right side at 135+ mph coming out of a turn. 5. The best way to describe it would be to sit in a sauna for 3 hours and then sprint to you car and red line it down a busy street with out taking a pause. Mental control of coordination and conctentration and patience.

Just my opinions...post note: Pit crews have to be in great shape as well and each stop is like a well planned play on a bball court or fball field.
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ASwaffAll-American
1249 days ago
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Driving for three to four hours at 200 miles per hour without any breaks or chances to stretch your legs is something people do every day?
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XinophDraft Pick
1249 days ago
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I hate to tell ya, but NASCAR vehicles aren't fine-tuned to go as "fast as is humanly possible." Ever watch an IndyCar or F1 race? They go much faster. Corey, driving at some local track is nothing like driving at a premier NASCAR event. Saying what you did is like saying that because you play in the company softball game, you think you'd really help the Yankees make the playoffs next year.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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Can you bet on it? NASCAR, yes... you driving to work? No... - Who is the athlete? The driver or the car? I can out-shower Jeff Gordon anyday... wanna bet on it?
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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You could bet on me driving to work. I will be that I get stuck at this one damn stop light for at least 5 minutes, and it's usually when I have 5 minutes to get to work.
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ASwaffAll-American
1249 days ago
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I don't like that argument. You can bet on who can hit people with lugies from the top of a building. That doesn't make it a sport.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
1249 days ago
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It is a sport. It requires concentration, great reflexes, and physical endurance (both from G forces and from extremes of heat). To say that it is not a sport because normal people do it is idiotic. How often do you drive in a situation like a NASCAR driver?
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XinophDraft Pick
1249 days ago
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Exactly. Normal people play baseball, too.
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TartanVarsity Captain
1249 days ago
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The question is arose then, is Top Fuel racing a sport? Drag racing involves many of things, but is farther out of the mainstream, hurting its credibility. Driving a car in a straight line for under 10 seconds, sport or no sport?
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ChristofMVP
1249 days ago
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Still call it a sport. You need hand-eye coordination to keep that car straight while accelerating.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
1249 days ago
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Keeping the dragster in a (relatively) straight line is not an easy task. If you watch closely, you'll see that they move around a lot.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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NASCAR's dont handle like your Honda driving down the road. The power sterring system is not made for a comfort control drive. Throw in the fact that those cars have no AC and the average temperature on a track is well over 100 degrees and your talking about more than your average Sunday drive.
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TartanVarsity Captain
1249 days ago
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All that is well an good, and it sure makes it difficult, and very uncomfortable, but do those things qualify something as sport, or more specifically, the higher realm of athletics? Before these conversations go on, terms in their most basic sense need defined. Sport vs. Athletics. NASCAR is a sport, but it is not athletics. While every athletic event is a sport, not every sport is athletics. Lawn darts is a sport, BASEketball is a sport; in its most basic form, sport is a source of diversion. Yes, NASCAR is that, but is it athletics?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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thank you tartan... sport vs. athletics IS a debate...sports is anything you can bet on. athletics needs teams in direct competition of each other, each trying to succeed against each other in conjunction with trying to make the other team fail
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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Nascar is an activity involving physical exertion so it is a sport. I can bet on the weather, airplane departure/arrivals, how many birds can crap in a circle I draw on a sidewalk in downtown Chicago. That doesn't make them sports.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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then define 'sporting chance'... you can't bet by yourself. If we start a league where people draw circles in other towns and we see how many birds crap in them, we have all of your other factors that define sport... See you in the Bird Crap Circles Championships!!!
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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I can bet myself each time I smoke a cig I'll keep myself from doing something else I like doing; ex. playing golf on Sunday.

Betting on the birds pooping and planes arrivals isn't making them sports, it's gambling on an activity or event. What if I were to bet on when the sun would set? For argument sake lets say there is no recording of sunset times. OK,so is the sun setting now a sport?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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betting not only makes it a sport, but is also a sport as well... Sport CAN be an activity or an event but that doesn't mean all activities and events are sports.
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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Thats what I have been saying. My base description is 'activity' and if that activity fits the formula it becomes a 'sport'. So betting is a sport? Then that makes gambling a sport too then right?

The dictionary defines sport as an activity that requires physical exertion. And don't tell me shaking hands qualifies as physical exertion. As I complete the article the gray area of (moving your hand to shake somebody elses) and (actually physically exerting yourself by playing footbal) will be clear and obvious so nobody can mistake blowing their nose or thinking too hard as physical exertion. It's all about your heart rate in defining physical exertion.
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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July 17, 2006 ~ Work In Progress

Athletics defined from dictionary.com
1. Activities, such as sports, exercises, and games, that require physical skill and stamina.
2. The principles or system of training and practice for such activities.
Sports defined from dictionary.com
An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
Activity as defined for this articles purpose
any form of leisure that one or more persons can take part in where a ultimate goal is to beat an opponent(s) or beat a personal best score.


I guess it's hard to classify a sport to a single definate description. We have events like curling, archery, fishing and so on. Now I fish tournaments regularly and I also golf, target shoot, play poker and much more. Maybe dominos are considered a sport because of skill and stratagy is used and you compete to win. I disagree with dominos being a sport; this should be on the Gameshow Network or Bravo along with Celebrity Poker Showdown and not on ESPN. I love poker but I won't call it a sport, I call it a game. This is why I have decided to create this process. The question people seem to always ask is; “What makes a sport, a sport?"

I am going to start of and create a definition I will use in this theory. In a collection of all games, sports, leisuly past times and events we can participate in we need a describing term. I am choosing to lable such actions as an “activity”. My definition of activity is; any form of leisure that one or more persons can take part in where a ultimate goal is to beat an opponent(s) or beat a personal best score.

Now that we have “activity” defined we can move on to trying to decide what makes a sport a sport. To do this we need to apply variables to a formula. The variables are parts of the activity that when combined will either make or break that activity as being classified as a sport.

Obviously it takes skill, stratagy and finess to participate well in activities, and there are also levels of coordination needed as well as competition factors. A sport should be classified as an activity that involves physical exurtion to achieve a goal. So therefore, I would state that a sport is an activity that required physical exursion of some level.

Physical Exursion
Then Tic-Tac-Toe would be a sport if competition was the factor, but it is not a sport, it's a activity. So sports should include: Activities involving physical exertion including but not limited to extreme sports. Physical exertion is going to be my key variable and will be defined in means of; An activity that raises the cardio level above the resting heart rate and is limited to only occuring from physical actions. Therefore when your heart rate increase from bluffing at poker, this would not classify as a raised cardio level for sport classification.

Coordination
So under these qualifications, bowling is a sport, right? There is a physical action taking place of throwing different weighted balls using different spin styles to obtain the goal of knocking pins over. Well, I would classify this as a low cardio sport. But this takes a certain cordination as I stated, which is my next factor. Coordination in terms of my variable includes (skill, stratagy and finess).

Competition
All activities have different levels of competition. Whether you are playing by youself, a match game or a tournament, there are different levels of competitive natures we face.

Base Formula
(Coordination+Competition)(Physical Exertion)= SPORT In case of chess Physical Exertion = 0, therefore Sport = 0

3 variables:
Coordination = A
Competition = B
Physical Exertion = C
Sports = X
x=c(a+b)

Next I will break each variable down seperatly and define how I am going to determine values. Each variable will have its own formula to determine the value to be plugged into the main formula.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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So you're going to measure the 'scale' of a sport? That's cool... but by definition, even sitting still requires exertion. You can even sweat by meditating...

Chess requires breathing, thinking, moving of pieces, maintaining your metabolic rate...these are all actions that use exertion.

Even if C= .0001, the exertion is there if a human is too... can't wait for the article.
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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I'm using a logical approach to this. Physical Exertion can be defined as: the process of exerting your muscles in various ways to keep fit. And sticking with the physical aspect of this and NOT the mental exertion which would include thinking. The line has to be drawn somewhere or sleeping would be a sport acording to C=.0001.

You can bet on whether somebody wets their bed.

That's why I will be breaking down each variable to define what the values will be. I'm not going to get ridiculous due to the law of infinate numbers so for these intents and purposes I will limit what can constitute physical exertion in the article.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1249 days ago
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Surely there are four variables, x, a, b and c?
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1249 days ago
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But it requires all of a, b and c, so x is obviously a number, hence it's a sport.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1249 days ago
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And Manny, as a chess player, I know there is physical aspects, such as the ability to concentrate for hours on end. A poor physical body will weaken that aspect, so that would make c >0.001. Not too much, granted, but still >0.001. Also, it needs a scale. If a, b, or c=1, what does that mean? 0=non-existant, or are we arguing that if the c isn't 0 and either a or b isn't 0, then it is a sport?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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Alex, I totally agree. I used .0001 stating even that if exertion was ridiculously low is would still be >0, meaning even the # could not be 0.
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TartanVarsity Captain
1249 days ago
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Ooo, infinite numbers, mathematical constructivism or bust, that'll make it easier.
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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Chess has competition and requires coordination but physical exertion is not there. so physical exertion represented by C would be Zero. that makes X = Zero.

I know what Manny said, moving a piece is physical exertion. Then by this thought the following activities are sports as well: Sleeping, Wiping yourself, Showering, Reading, Typing on a computer, Combing your hair, Shaving your face ect.

PHYSICAL EXERTION:
An activity that raises the cardio level above the resting heart rate and is limited to only occuring from physical actions. Therefore when your heart rate increase from bluffing at poker, playing chess or Chutes and Ladders; this would not classify as a raised cardio level for sport classification.
Furthermore...Go sit in a chair for five minutes and do absolutly nothing and take you heart rate. Now move a remote control representing a chess piece about 12 inches. Take you heart rate again. If there was a noticable difference call a doctor because you got issues.

Now, there is MENTAL exertion in chess, cards and other activities, and that can make a heart rate increase...BUT that is different from PHYSICAL exertion.
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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But then when I get my bills every month and get frustrated hence raising my heart rate; that MUST be a sport!?...NOPE, mental exertion. These are the defintions that I feel fit for defining sports.
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ChristofMVP
1249 days ago
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The debate on whether Chess is or is not a sport will occur next week. :)
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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'sport' and 'activity' is not the same thing... activity is movement, sport requires an result with opposing outcomes...you can lose at a sport without ANY movement or exertion. You can win without any exertion (forfeit for instance) and it's still a sport, still a victory... if you're betting on 'bill paying' you need to have someone betting against you... you're blurring lines because you feel your definition of 'SPORT' is something greater than 'sports'... I know what you're trying to say, but you keep defining athletics and activities.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1249 days ago
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Good God! "Chutes and Ladders"! Is that the same as "Snakes and Ladders"?
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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I am not calling Sport and Activity the same thing. For a forfeit, yes you are right there is no exertion, but the WIN that the team gets does not come from a sport being played. Webster dictionary defines forfeit as: the act of losing or surrendering something as a penalty for a mistake or fault or failure to perform. This is an awarded win for an event that was scheduled. But no sport was played at that scheduled event. If I win at solitare by beating my high score on my computer I technically get a win but are we going to call it a sport? I can't base this on an activity getting a win or not.

I AM betting with bill paying. If I pay and pay on time I win, and if I don't I lose having to pay more money to the collector.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1249 days ago
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My Mum once scored 7,054 on computer Solitaire. Beat that if you can!!
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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6783
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1249 days ago
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That puts my Mom 271 ahead of you!!
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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The whole point of this formula is to create a way to measure a particular event and see how strong of a value it has as being considered a sport. Golf vs. Tri-athalon.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1249 days ago
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Sp:Triathlon. I agree with the formula and the concept of it (I remember helping you form it a while back!), I just think there may be other variables involved. Also, each needs a scale to create a mark out of, e.g. 100. If c is out of 10, a&b are out of 5, you would accomplish that. (Or a&b=10, c=5, whichever you prefer).
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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I'm thinking I'll be over 7000 by august. :o)
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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As for variable of exertion it goingt o break down as a increase in heart rate. The increse has to meet a certain % to be considered physical exertion. I'm not going to get into it all now but it'll be all on my page soon and I'll put it up as an opinion article.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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can robots play sports?
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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Physical exertion = energy to run the robot. Coordination = Programing. Competition = Opponent.

That brings up a differnt topic; a robot could play baseball. Then they would be playing a sport. Robot deathmatch or whatever that program was called would not be.

The robots might be able to play a 'sport' or go through the motions, but there is somebody controling or programing them. As you would control PlayStation video games. I would say they can play sports but it would be no different than playing a video game.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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robots don't burn calories (the basis of measurement of 'spent' exertion, correct?)
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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but you can bet on robots beating the crap out each other
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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They can play sports as the little characters on Sega or PlayStation play sports...through the control of a programer or controller.

To get technical:
THe dictionary defines a calorie as: Any of several approximately equal units of heat, each measured as the quantity of heat required to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1°C from a standard initial temperature, especially from 3.98°C, 14.5°C, or 19.5°C, at 1 atmosphere pressure.

Robots use energy to opperate. This is measurable by units of the calorie. Calorie isn't limited to burning of human energy.

But, robots are simply being controlled by a person, whether by preprograming or manual control. So by making these robots play a sport or battle in a live setting, is NO different than playing a video game.

If I bet on what year the oak tree out back is going to fall down is that a sport? You can bet on anything, that does not make that particular event, activity or betting itself a sport.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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look, said it before, I'll say it again... you'll drive yourself CRAZY looking for some fine line do separate 'worthy' pursuits as 'sports' and all else as non-sport.

Leisure is anything fun or enjoyable is keeping score of leisure events and declaring some participant a 'winner' (or tie)

CRAZY. The line is clear once you remove your 'want' of that line to be something astounding.

I had a college class called "Sport and Leisure in Society" the whole semester was arguing what was sport and what wasn't... very aggravating to find out just about everything IS a sport.

Yes, we CAN bet on the oak trees falling. We can even accellerate the process by applying chainsaws and a clock and calling it "Great Outdoor games". Whether it's professionally organized or not is irrelevant, just as playing wiffleball in your backyard is sports as Derek Jeter playing in Yankee Stadium. Same thing? Of course not. Both Sports? Absolutely.

The clearest definition I have found to date is: Can you bet on it? Clear, easy line to remember. Less CRAZY, more betting
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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I meant to type - sport is keeping score of the leisure event
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ASwaffAll-American
1249 days ago
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It's certainly more of a sport than competetive eating, chess or poker.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1249 days ago
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it's not about more or less (even though you're right) it's about Yes or No
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ASwaffAll-American
1249 days ago
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I know. I'm just saying if you presented me with the two, and said which one's a sport, and I had to choose, I'd take racing.
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All~In~ChicagoVarsity
1249 days ago
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I'm not going to drive myself 'crazy', I got a system; is it perfect?...maybe not yet but it makes 'logical' sense and as I finish what I'm working on it will draw a line between what is or isn't a sport. You are welcome to your own opinion as I am about betting constituting a sport or not. I had classes with the same debates, I have a minor in Tourism and Sport Recreation, but all I can say is this...Like it or not, it's a system that can offer numbers to answer this run out question of is it a sport.
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