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Should the Dbacks ban alcohol in the clubhouse?

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by user Bobman024

An Azsportshub Original

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Since the passing of St. Louis Cardinals relief pitcher Josh Hancock their have been changes in many clubhouses throughout baseball. The Yankees and Oakland have banned alcohol in both clubhouses. Numerous other clubs are thinking of following suit. But should the Dbacks follow the trend? Should any team be doing this or is it completely reactionary to a case of poor judgment by Josh Hancock?

Honestly no team let alone the Arizona should be banning alcohol in the clubhouse. Last time I checked these are adults. They have been making their own decisions, I would assume, for years. If they can’t make the same decision Joe Nobody at the local sports bar has to make after numerous cold ones and not drink and drive then maybe they aren’t smart enough to be a millionaire.

It is ridiculous to ban something that has been in the clubhouse for years and hasn’t been an issue till now. It would be one thing if Josh Hancock had just left the clubhouse and had partaken in one too many and got in a car accident because of his drinking but he didn’t. He left a restaurant reportedly on his way to a bar. This was obviously a bigger problem then just having too much alcohol in the clubhouse. Hancock had personal demons that went deeper than what happened at the stadium.

The better solution for baseball may be to provide players with counselors for issues such as alcoholism, substance abuse and depression. Instead of reacting to the situation and putting a Band-Aid on it how about actually helping the players and attempting to fix things. How about putting better examples in leadership positions. Hancock’s very own manager Tony La Russa had a drunk driving incident in spring training. How did La Russa handle the situation? By completely ignoring it and the team did not even suspend him for the next day’s game.

Would making an example of La Russa prevented what happened to Hancock? Probably not but maybe it would have made him think twice before getting behind the wheel. Or maybe if La Russa took more responsibility for it he could have been an example for Hancock. Instead none of that happened and the league is reacting. Instead of treating these athletes like kids how about treating them like adults and truly helping them instead of slapping them on the wrist.


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JuTMSY4Legend
962 days ago
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I think everyone is making a mountain out of a mole hill here. How many people here, who legally drink alcohol have had a few and then driven somewhere else? I think blaming alcohol in this type of situation is a bit unfair because his BAC was about .157, almost twice the legal limit. Do you know what it takes to get to the legal limit...between 1 and 2 beers...so hancock had, what? 3, 4 beers? Find me someone else who hasn't done this. All of these guys are adults, they don't need role models like tony larussa to show the what to do, they should no (LaRussa as a role model to others, maybe, not players). You want to blame something for Hancock's accident, try a cell phone...or better yet, try him...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
962 days ago
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If it wasn't for alcohol, I could have died from intestinal worms years ago. I pass out restfully at night knowing that the worms can't live through a grin-producing alcohol content in my system and they aren't going to get me! Plus it makes my muscles feel bigger and less than average chicks look hot!
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
962 days ago
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Hey, I remember you! :)
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
962 days ago
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Its those feelings that got me through college, and the majority of my average workday
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
962 days ago
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Yo, Big A... Uncle Manny will be back soon! "I used to be #1... I used to be a contender!!!"
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The BeastAAA-er
961 days ago
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I think you nipped it right in the bud.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
961 days ago
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I meant JuTMSY4 actually... But yes, welcome back Manny!
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
962 days ago
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Exactly. I agree. Josh Hancock was out at a bar by himself getting blasted. He wasnt on a team trip, he wasnt at a team function just a guy drinking in a bar. Now I know the dangers of drinking and driving better than anyone else (my father was killed by a drunk driver) but I am sick of this handwringing/kneejerk reaction we get whenever something of this nature happens. Banning alchol in the clubhouse does nothing but make a weak statment by a team. If a team wants to make a statement about drunk driving, take those off those damn #32 patches off your arm. Dont honor Josh Hancock for making a dumb choice. Put a MADD patch on your arm support that cause. Thats doing something to fix a problem. Not banning alchol in the clubhouse.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
962 days ago
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Hell yeah, BigPp! When you hit the nail on the head... woo-wee!

I just found out last night that a buddy of mine from PA died last month drunk driving. It's an idiot way to go and people should remembered for their lives more than their death, but don't honor morons.

There are few ways to die that are more stupider than driving drunk (at any blood alcohol level). Ridiculous, not honorable.

I fear we are at the same old argument. Why can't we just ban idiots? Instead, we Ban guns when someone dies, ban ephedra when a fatass eats a bottle and dons a rubber suit, ban tobacco (even though America was founded on it) because Grandpa smoked himself to death (mostly to escape Grandma's nagging) ban steroids and HGH because they work; How about we ban the idea of the ban and stop slapping warning signs on everything and let the idiots weed themselves out of the future gene pool...

Eliminate *Warning* signs and you eliminate the Stupid!

Ban alcohol because a random dipshit can't handle his ego-percieved invincibility. Banning buttwiper, I mean Budweiser is a good start regardless... Oh yeah, a team at Busch stadium, (who owns Busch?)

LaRussa should feel like the biggest ass of them all.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
962 days ago
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I mean "LaRussa sould feel like the biggest ass..."
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KelsdadAll-Star
962 days ago
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Agree, agree, and agree. Hancock killed himself, not the Cardinals, not an enforceable alcohol policy, no one. He's a guy living everyone's dream, making millions of dollars, and he threw it away because he thought he was better than whatever he was doing at the moment. Dumbass.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
962 days ago
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Does it bother anyone that MLB has investigations to eliminate steroid use (O deaths in past four years), but stadiums are named after alocholic beverages (150,000 deaths in past four years)?
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KelsdadAll-Star
962 days ago
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No, why. Should it?
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Bball3345Draft Pick
962 days ago
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Doesn't it say something about our priorities when more action has been taken to "protect a HR record" then has been done to protect people from drunk driving or smoking or countless other things that present a greater danger to human life than steroids ever could. MLB can talk tough on alcohol if they want to, but doesn't having a Coors Field and a Busch Stadium make them kinda hypocritical?
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KelsdadAll-Star
962 days ago
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Its just a knee jerk publicity stunt, Bball. I'll bet five years off my life if you go to the Cardinals clubhouse tomorrow you'll find beer. What one says and what one does aren't always the same. That's because more people drink or smoke than take steriods. But they are all voluntary actions. And I can go buy cigarettes or alcohol legally, I don't need a prescription, I don't need a visa.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
962 days ago
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Exactly, you can go buy cigarettes and alcohol legally, relatively cheaply, without any problem. You have to go through much more of a hassle and money to get steroids. Could this have anything to do with the fact more people drink and smoke than take steroids? I think so. You can't deny that cigarettes and alcohol are infintely more dangerous to human life. FYI, IT IS NOT A PERSON'S DECISION TO BE KILLED BY A DRUNK DRIVER.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
962 days ago
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Fine, forget the hypocrisy, but the fact that alcohol gets pushed aside as a problem and joked about, while steroids is the highest sin of all-time doesn't make any sense.

HR records don't mean more than human life.

People say, "Athletes taking steroids are bad role models." How about athletes and managers getting drunk and driving? What kind of role models are they?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
962 days ago
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Can we get Billy Martin to speak on this subject, please?
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JuTMSY4Legend
961 days ago
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I think DNL actually fired him, rehired him and fired him again...maybe?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
962 days ago
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We're talking only about the decision to drink.

Steriods enhance performance. He's cheating to obtain something he otherwise wouldn't have. It's not just the record. There are financial considerations also, which technically could be considered fraud.

Mickey Mantle hit LESS homers because he drank, not more. So the only person he affected on the field by his drinking was himself. So alcohol doesnt enhance performace.

You're smart enough to know Bball that if Greg Anderson ever opens his mouth, Barry is going to federal prison for a real long time. And Barry knows it too. Will he be the only one? Of course not. Will anyone care? Of course not.
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KelsdadAll-Star
962 days ago
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Billy Martin wasn't driving
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TylersaltAll-Star
962 days ago
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I think the franchises should do whatever they can to protect their investment in these players. If that involves banning alcohol in the clubhouse, so be it. You're not going to keep players from drinking on their own time, but hey, not in the clubhouse is something.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
961 days ago
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Banning Alchol at the stadium would not have saved Hancocks life. If a guy wants to go out on his own and get drunk in a bar, he has every right to do that and a team cant stop him.
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JuTMSY4Legend
961 days ago
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In the money making pointedness of sports nowadays, I agree with you...
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KelsdadAll-Star
962 days ago
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The point with Hancock is he was killed at 12:30 AM, after a day game. So he had been drinking at at least one bar after the game, and a witness said he was drinking pretty hard. And he was on his way to another bar. And he had been ticketed two days before for driving while impaired, which, apparently, is a misdeameanor in Missouri. So the point is we would be having this conversation whether or not there was beer in the St. Louis clubhouse. The only person responsible for Hancock was Hancock.
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JuTMSY4Legend
961 days ago
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I'm not sure of the facts regarding his previous incident, but I doubt that if he was drunk (above .08 BAC) that he would have received only a misdemeanor...then again, you never know what happened... With that said, I don't think you can trust a witness who claims he was "drinking hard" His BAC was .157 around the time he dies (kidney function stops at death, I believe), so I doubt he was drinking heavily and if he was, he must have sobered up slightly. Reading the circumstances of the accident (he hit a parked pickup truck, directly in the rear), leads me to believe this actually had very little to do with alcohol and more to do with him being on a cell phone. Maybe alcohol impaired him into thinking its ok not to pay attention and talk on the phone, but ultimately the fact that it drew his attention is what has killed him. IMO, an alcohol related accident would have involved some type of action (he would have been paying attention...potentially messed up, but paying attentioned). I'm not an expert on Alcohol or drunk driving accidents, but this makes more sense to me...
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KelsdadAll-Star
961 days ago
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You know, maybe the cell phone did have something to do with it. But a BA twice the legal limit means he was hammered, and the fact he hit the truck at 65mph with no sign of braking goes more to being impaired than distracted.
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JuTMSY4Legend
961 days ago
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I think we'll just disagree. IMO, a BAC of twice the legal limit isn't being "Hammered" but rather being impaired. Even if you're completely drunk (which i've done...many times...drinking that is...I don't even own a car anymore!), you're most likely still aware enough to do something...hitting a truck w/o a sign of break, IMO seems like he just wasn't paying attention...now if his decision to not pay attention may have been related to alcohol, I understand but I don't believe there's a direct correlation.

With that said, does anyone have a comparison for BAC versus general drunkenness...wasn't this on mythbusters or something..there's gotta be something.

IMO, alcohol had very little direct impact on this but its a much easier target than a cell phone. He also had Marijuana in his car, however I don't believe this contributed either (I don't think he was high). I'm no expert, but doesn't baseball test for this as well?

At this point, we should probably just agree to disagree
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
961 days ago
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It may be a knee jerk reaction, but it seems to me something that should have happened awhiel ago. Yes, they are adults who can make their own decision, but it just seems logical to keep alcohol out of the workplace. I know I can't have alcohol in my office.
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JuTMSY4Legend
961 days ago
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I agree, but its situational. I can't drink alcohol while I'm at work per se, but when i'm at some type of function, networking event, reception, all of which I consider work related events, I drink...That said, the jobs aren't really comparable...
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
961 days ago
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I really think that alcohol is your worst nightmare. One night of drinking and here i am today 7 months pregnant with the baby of some guy I don't even remember who he is. All I know is that I have a baby growing inside of me now.
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The sharkDraft Pick
961 days ago
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One a side note - that is a tasty looking assortment of beers in the article's picture. Kudos of the good taste!
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