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Retread Baseball Managers - A Product of Racism

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by user Andersed

Why do Mike Hargrove, Charlie Manuel, and Grady Little keep getting hired despite consistent failures?

Really, there are other retread managers who always get hired despite obvious track records of failure. In the NFL, Marty Schottenheimer comes to mind. Mike Dunleavy in the NBA. It's open for debate whether certain sports require more coaching, but I think the NBA is probably the least demanding among the three major sports.

But I bring up Manuel, Little, and Hargrove because there's really no reason for them to keep getting hired, and because Hargrove's managerial style has always disconcerted me. Manuel wasn't successful in Cleveland but was hired in Philadelphia. Little failed (spectacularly!) in Boston. Hargrove failed most recently in Baltimore and was likely a product of his players in Cleveland. Besides, he's universally renowned as the "Human Rain Delay" because of his slow tendencies as a player. I HATE guys who slow down baseball games. They're slow enough as it is.

So why are they hired when younger former players like Bob Brenly, Ozzie Guillen, and others display almost immediate success? Why do most managerial searches feature the same retread candidates?

I'm fairly positive that it's because of race. Little, Hargrove, and Manuel are all chunky, old, jovial-looking white guys. They look like managers in the traditional sense. They sit back on the dugout, their uniforms tight, and don't get emotional or have much of a personality. They are managers, not characters. They fit a prototype.

Ozzie Guillen, much as I dislike him, is a dynamic manager. He doesn't fit any prototype, and give White Sox GM Kenny Williams credit for hiring him when no other team has the guts to sign a Latin manager only a few years off the field. Look at Joe Girardi: the Marlins should be awful, but he has them playing well together.

This is racism, when one image is projected as the necessary image for a manager. As younger GMs become the rage, will Guillen and others create any change? Off the very top of my head, Willie Randolph is the only somewhat young black manager that I can think of. Look at his success.

Not only are Hargrove, Manuel, and Little again having mediocre seasons, but all sorts of different managers are experiencing success. Yet this formula seems to remain.

I realize there are other fat white managers who've had success, and as a future white old guy, I don't mean to attack the group. The three are examples. If there are other examples of managerial success, I'd love to hear them.



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Thu 07/06/06, 3:42 pm EST


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ASwaffAll-American
1242 days ago
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I think it's because teams are dumb, and don't know what's best for them. It has nothing to do with race anymore than it has something to do with race when Herman Edwards, Dennis Green and Tony Dungy keep getting hired despite showing a consistent inability to win the big games. It's not just old white guys that are getting rehired despite failure.
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AndersedJV Squad
1242 days ago
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Good point with Edwards and Green - though Dungy has had a lot more success than Manuel or Little, at least because he hasn't made spectacularly bad moves. Before this year, he might not have had the personnel, and then his son died.
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ASwaffAll-American
1242 days ago
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I'll grant you that on Dungy for this season, but it's hard to argue that he didn't have the personnel when Gruden came in and won the Super Bowl the very year after Dungy left.
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ChristofMVP
1242 days ago
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I don't think race plays a role. There is a good ole boy network still veyr much alive in baseball. However, I really don't think race plays a role in it anymore.
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AndersedJV Squad
1242 days ago
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Well, I think the good ol' boy network is pretty much dominated by white guys. That's a pretty indisputable fact. It's not malicious, but "natural" with the network in place.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1242 days ago
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i cant believe i just wasted my time reading that article
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1242 days ago
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so an owener pays millions of dollars to black and hispanic atheletes but he is so racist he would not conisider hiring a minority canidate even if it meant throwing away the millions spent on player salaries as a result. youre a moron.
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ASwaffAll-American
1242 days ago
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Dude, I disagree with the author. But you can disagree without being disagreeable. No need for name calling.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
1241 days ago
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Huge difference: the way some people think, blacks and hispanics are good enough to play but "not smart enough" to manage or being in the front office.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1242 days ago
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I am confused, are you callig race or age in to the question? And who would you like to see as manager who you think is a victim of some sort of bigotry? I think you see a lot of re-tread managers in hope of that one of them becomes the next Francona. Someone who failed before, but has stayed in the game in some capacity, hopefully learned from their mistakes, tweaked their style of coaching and then goes out and wins a championship.
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Deems123
1241 days ago
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Nobody wants to take a chance on a new Guy. Thats the reason. The media would critisize them too much.. ITS CALLED THE SPORTSCENTER EFFECT!!
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ASwaffAll-American
1241 days ago
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Very true. The critics laughed at the Diamondbacks when they fired Showalter and hired Bremley out of the broadcasting booth, but he did alright. Same thing with the Astros. People laughed when they hired Larry Dierker out of the broadcasting booth, and he led them to four division titles in five years.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1241 days ago
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One thing that's always kind of bothered me about race and coaching is that the majority of the time, we only know who got the job, not who applied for it. Just because a white guy gets hired, doesn't mean he got it over someone of another race. If all white guys apply, a white guy is going to get it. I'm not saying minorities down apply for these jobs, we just don't know who they are and how many there are in the in running. That being said, I have to say I don't think you picked the best examples for your argument. None of them have more than three coaching stops and Manual and Little have only been managing a couple years. Hargrove - whether it was the players or not - has two World Series trips under his belt which is better than a lot of managers out there. Manual got the job in Philly because he's a father figure to Jim Thome and Thome wanted him there. Little deserves more credit as he's only seen for that one game in Boston, he still got his team to the playoffs.
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DetroitownLittle Leaguer
1238 days ago
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What's with this site and racism? This is the second post in less than a week about people bitching about racism, and it playing such a 'huge' role in sports where writers feel they have to address it. It's nothing new, current (in epidemic proportions) , and/or interesting.
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DetroitownLittle Leaguer
1238 days ago
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...It's nothing new, current (in epidemic proportions) , and/or interesting.

....... new,a problem, and/or interesting.

new and current are the same, im such a dumbass
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DetroitownLittle Leaguer
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