armchairgm
all sports, all you
+ Add Friends
You are not logged-in.
Sign Up - Log In
Main Page
Sports
Write
Articles
Hot Links
Images
Meet People
Fun
Explore
MLB - NFL - NBA - NHL - College Basketball - College Football - Soccer - Nascar - Other
Article - Locker Room Discussion
All Articles - New Articles - Today's Articles
Submit a Link - Approve Links
Picture Game - Ratings - Polls - Pick Game - Quiz Game - Spring Silliness
Random Page - Random Image - Random Fan
Edit
Page history Discuss pageWhat links here

Retired NFL players have health issues

12
Vote

by user Simms1156

Retired NFL players are furious over the "lack" of money they are being given for pension and health benefits after their retirement. One of the lead players advocates is Mike Ditka who has been the most outwardly unhappy with the NFL.

I am one person who disagrees with Ditka and the former players of the NFL. Yes it is evident that the players are in horrible shape after their playing careers due to crippling injuries and yea the NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry that could afford to give more money to former players but to me that is thier decision. Its not like the NFL doesnt give retired players a hefty sum of money they have a large fund set aside for former players and are not afraid to give them plenty of money.

I have two main problems with the former players complaints 1. You played in the NFL, you knew going in that it is a dangerous profession and you could get seriously hurt playing. If you dont want to have deabilitating injuries after your playing days than dont play. Injuries happen get over it.

2. You played in the NFL which means you made money. Yeah they played in a different era when multimillion dollar contracts were not yet in fashion but they still made plenty of money and it is up to them to manage your money. If you were a player you should have thought more about the money that you spend and make sure you have a secure backup plan after football i.e. Troy Vincent.   Brian Demarco is a lead advocate for the players along with Ditka. When watching Demarco walk it is clear that he has been crippled by injuries that he sustained while in the NFL I have as big of a problem with him as anybody, he was a second round pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars in 1995 which means he got a very good payday for just his rookie contract.

The following quote is from ESPN

A prominent ex-Jaguars player told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that he and another former teammate "cringed" when they saw DeMarco appear at Monday's press conference. The ex-Jaguar did not want to be identified but said DeMarco has been given significant financial help by his former teammates, including three jobs "that he's blown."

"Now he's walking with a cane in front of cameras," the ex-Jaguar said. "Last time we saw him -- and it was in the past two weeks -- he didn't need a cane. He has some physical problems, yes, but there are other things going on there."

My last statement is that I feel worse for a person who has never been given a fair shake in life than for a former NFL player who has cost themselves their own money and caused themselves problems by not having a fallback career to pay the bill after their playing career is over.


Enable Comment Auto-Refresher
TehLokiVarsity Captain
904 days ago
Score -2+-
Agree fully. Amen!
Permalink | Reply
KelsdadAll-Star
903 days ago
Score 6+-
Disagree fully. Amen! And before you reply, go look up the NFL's pension plan.
Permalink | Reply
JuTMSY4Legend
903 days ago
Score 4+-
Right on...the NFL pension plan is a tricky beast...you should read it before you write about this...

Secondly..."having a backup plan" is difficult...its hard to concentrate on football and win championships when you're worrying about a very early retirement (40 year olds should be working, we probably all agree...if not for money, for sanity)...a retirement for most people is a 401k, IRA and the like (many many more...let's not discuss)...in the NFL its not quite that simple...they do have classes about retirement (recently had one for broadcasting...Takeo Spikes was involved)...but they're hard to get into and require stars, not backup o-lineman...

Its not all million dollar contracts and easy life after the NFL...medical bills add up and life limping around (ask Tiki Barber, Jim Brown or Barry Sanders...they know why they left early) is not fun...at least those 3 future HoFers have a fall back in their laps...
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
903 days ago
Score 2+-
I would give you more plusses if I could Kelsdad...
Permalink
AngelaSJV Squad
903 days ago
Score 5+-
Regarding the fallback career thing. You're telling people to "get a post-NFL job to pay for your medical bills because you're disabled." I think that shows a serious lack of understanding what "being disabled" means. Some people are unable to work or unable to work enough hours to make enough money to pay these bills because they are disabled.

Secondly, a lot of guys knew about the physical injuries, but a lot of this stuff coming out about the long-term effects of multiple concussions, we didn't know.

I'm usually on the side of "don't give professional athletes any more money," but in this case I'm on the side of the ex-players.
Permalink | Reply
Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
903 days ago
Score 2+-
It's good to have another rational person on board here. BIG PICTURE, PEOPLE!
Permalink
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 0+-
People are missing the goddamn point here about Ditka's fight against the NFLPA. The disability program is MISMANAGED and retired guys from a bygone era that did not generate the millions of dollars of income per athlete are GETTING SCREWED. Congress is looking into this matter and heads within the NFLPA will roll.
Permalink
TehLokiVarsity Captain
903 days ago
Score -4+-
Oh yes, you "didn't" know that you cuold get multiple concussions right? Lmfao that amazing. Cause I sure did know that you could. I guess you light hasn't turned on yet? these guys knew what they were getting into. If they didn't buy such lavish houses and so many cars, and saved some money, they'd have more than enough money to pay for the bills PLUS the money the NFL pays. I love extortionists.
Permalink | Reply
AngelaSJV Squad
903 days ago
Score 3+-
Until recently, the NFL business itself denied that some of the lasting effects from multiple concussions (clinical depression, dementia, etc.) were real. There has been a great deal of study and attention given toward these long-term psychological effects. And, seriously? I think dudes expected arthritis and a gimpy knee, not a lifespan of 55 years of age. There's "what you expect" and "how much playing professional football is actually going to mess you up."
Permalink
Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
903 days ago
Score 0+-
Right on Angela - FIRE UPSHAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
903 days ago
Score 3+-
The NFL Minimum salary is 285 and the average career is 3.5 years... thats just a hair under 1 mil total...we could then take out taxes...and you end up with something below $700,000...we'll say a modest houst costs $200,000 when all is said and done...(that's being very light, considering furnishings, transactional costs, etc...)...that leaves someone $500,000.00 left...certainly a large sum, but by no means, a sum that you can live off of...
Permalink
Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
903 days ago
Score 2+-
I don't think TehLoki is interested in your math problem, Ju. I think he's happy being a player-hater, literally. These men entertain us, and risk their lives doing it. Compare that to the guy building your cars for 40 bucks an hour (if he's lucky enough to still have a job at an American factory) and wants a solid pension/health plan from his CEO. Is THAT extortion???
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
903 days ago
Score 1+-
that's like $80,000...that's not freakin bad at all...
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
903 days ago
Score 1+-
and most NFL players aren't "livin' the dream"...they got a nice gift to start their lives, the aforementioned couple hundred Gs, and thats about it...you can't just coast on that and you to readjust, i would imagine, would be difficult...IMO I could probably do it...i bet there's a lot who couldn't though, especially if your entire life was football beforehand...
Permalink
Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
903 days ago
Score -2+-
Yeah, 80K aint bad (it's way more with overtime) but you probably have to live in Detroit, and no one cheers for you when you're mounting doors on SUVs, and your football team sucks, etc. Not to mention that line work is mind-numbing labor. Sorry, I'm just a sucker for the working class hero.
Permalink
TehLokiVarsity Captain
903 days ago
Score -2+-
You mean to tell me, because they played football, they should not have to ever work again? That makes me giggle. There ar epeople who served in the Armed Forces for 20+ years, who get enough pension to never have to work again but do. Most save their money and HARDLY make $700,000 during those 20 years. So, they work anyway. You guys act like "Oh he played football, retired, he should be compensated $200k a year" (only an example). Blah to that. They should have the skills to do other jobs after their career. Also, 700k? Please. You figure you make 400k a year, playing 4 years (rounding up the average career, which is bs considering how many people never play mor ethan 3 years so their bodies don't take such a beating anyway), that's 1.2 million in 4 years. Now we'll use your house estimate and we'll add furnishings. so 200k for the house and maybe 150k for furnishing (I buy smart :O). 350k used up, leaving 850k remaining. $850,000 left. Most people will NEVER make tht in their lives. the average income in America is about 35k. Someone would have to work 24+ years straight (not assuming raises and overtime) to match what a football player made in 4 years. And as painful as football is (I have been playing since I learned to walk), there are other jobs, more dangerous, and take more of a toll on the body (i.e mining, factory working, demolitoon)
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
903 days ago
Score 1+-
did you seriously minus everyone comment that was dissenting to yours...lame

Secondly, [Military pay is as such and they don't have to pay for food, shelter or clothes during their time either...

What I gave you was hard, factual evidence, not heresay, like you provided...plus I didn't account for inflation (and what NFL players made 10 or 20 years ago and are now feeling the effects of!)

No one is saying its bad, but there are a lot more things to consider...
Permalink
Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
903 days ago
Score 1+-
Loki, you might become a CEO one day. You'll never head up a union though.
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
903 days ago
Score 2+-
Muhammed Ali comes to mind...does he really care how much money he made...he's a shell of the man he once was...
Permalink
Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
903 days ago
Score 1+-
Yeah, he totally did. You are the Minus Master!!!!!! I think I got minused for some completely neutral comments. You may have won the battle TehLoki, but you haven't won the war! I think I'm gonna go call Voltron.
Permalink
TehLokiVarsity Captain
903 days ago
Score -1+-
er, no I didn't minus anyone actually. I hardly use those things. They're useless.
Permalink
JamelAll-American
903 days ago
Score 1+-
I have so much catching up to do but shouldn't some of the responsibility fall of the players- like Ju's example of Ali- I'm pretty sure somewhere down his carrier someone warned him that hey if you don't stop getting hit the head you are gonna have brain damage- damn even Rocky got warned- same as these football guys-- take some responsibility for yourself and stand up for yourself and say "hey, i think I'm done- my body can't handle it anymore"- you control your own destiny NOT GOD- why do these athletes feel like it is up to someone else to tell them what to do- good part in Any Given Sunday is where that doctor prick dude guy says "Who am I do destroy their lives... to tell them what to do"- something like that- now he held back info which is wrong- but I"m pretty sure these doctor's tell them the way it is, they refuse medical advice, and play another year for another few mill- These players DON'T DESERVE SHIT- they made the decision to play that sport- live with the consequences or go and fine a bullshit job like the rest of us working 60 plus hours just to survive! THEY ARE OVERPAID TO BEGIN WITH AND TO GIVE THEM A PENSION IS BULLSHIT!
Permalink | Reply
KelsdadAll-Star
903 days ago
Score 1+-
The NFL pension has a balance of slightly more than a billion dollars. They've approved payouts to a little over 300 former players. They've denied 10x that amount. Do you know how much a player receives in his pension? $300 dollars for each year he played. A five year vet gets $1500 a month, which is shit. And, if he's disabled, is worse than shit.

And this isnt about guys like Elway or Thurman Thomas, who did in fact make millions. Its about the guys who played pre-1980 who made nothing. Guys played 10-12 years in the league and combined salary was less than a half million, and that was the stars. Kickers and backups make 20% of that amount.

And, another thing, in football, there is no such thing as a guaranteed contract. You get hurt, you don't get paid. Sign a five year, 50 million deal and get hurt the first day? Tough shit for you, man. Go get a job.

Who runs the Players Association anyway? Gene Upshaw or Al Capone?
Permalink | Reply
JuTMSY4Legend
903 days ago
Score 0+-
Thanks for the research Kelsdad...I didn't know the specifics of the pension, but I knew it was poor... I'll try to run an illustration (its a perk of working where I work) for an annuitized payment of 1 mil or so and see what the monthly payment is...
Permalink
JamelAll-American
903 days ago
Score 2+-
You got a point there but back in a day it only cost a few bucks to survive- like gas was a nickle a gallon, etc etc. What really needs to be fied is the guarenteed contract- you should be compensated if you get hurt while playing. So yeah back in the day I think these guys do need help but at the same time WHY CAN'T THEY GO AND GET A JOB AFTER THEY ARE DONE IN THE NFL??? Shit, I have to work until I'm 80 why can't they? This would force these kids to get a real education in college so when there carrier is over and they didn't make the million/billion dollars they go and get a real job like the rest of us. So I'm going back to my original though- screw the pensions!- why should I feel sorry for these guys??? Why should they be able to retire at 35 because they played football?? Again, it was THEIR CHOICE!- just like crab fishing- great show- Deadliest Catch- most dangerous job in the world- they get paid relatively well but do so because they AGREED to the job- how is this any different?
Permalink
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
903 days ago
Score 0+-
because they are the people who made the game so popular and such the money maker it is today. They deserve their cut. If they risked their lives to make the company grow, they should be rewarded (especially if the company is a trillion dollar cash cow. Or are you a company man? Athletes today are millionaires today because these old, forgotten dudes turned the old millionaire owners into biliionaires.
Permalink
JamelAll-American
903 days ago
Score 0+-
So....... this is all GODs plan- God was the one who decided that it was going to be this way. God was the one who screwed the old football players and rewards the new. Blame god!

Plus, with this logic you can say that about any sport-- what about baseball??? These guys back in the day aren't making the money they are today. What about golf? Should Tiger get all the money regardless if he wins because he re-popularized it??? Tiger deserves his money because he wins AND he brought in the revenue. These players are just in the right place at the right time. What about the employee who busted his ass off and 30 years down the road the business becomes a trillion dollar business? The CEO and investors get rich NOT THE HIRED HELP! Professional athletes are just that- hired help- IT'S A BUSINESS- they are hired to do a job! Whatever the going rate is that's what they get paid and nothing else just like coorporate america.

The problem is manny you don't understand how companies work today cause you sit at home all day and bang away here!
Permalink
Anonymous Fanatic #1
903 days ago
Score 1+-
Manny only made one comment today. How many have you made Mad Tapper?
Permalink
JamelAll-American
903 days ago
Score 0+-
Hey don't yell at me cause I found a way to make money and post here
Permalink
RomiezzoLegend
903 days ago
Score 0+-
Do they need an A-Rod contract or something here? Come on. I agree with the people who disagree with you, dude. Sorry.
Permalink | Reply
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 0+-
Before the author and that idiot racist TekLohi (whatever sp.) start ripping on DeMarco, go investigate Duerson on the NFLPA disability committee. And better start drafting a retraction after Congress rips the hell out of the NFLPA.
Permalink | Reply
Willf123JV Squad
901 days ago
Score 0+-
Interesting point Jamel. In a sport like golf you are paid on performance the purses are very clearly paid out and if you don't maintain a certain level of play you lose your tour card.
Permalink | Reply
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 0+-
Golfers usually don't end up as catatonic vegetables from sacrificing their minds and bodies playing their sport either.
Permalink
Willf123JV Squad
901 days ago
Score 0+-
The fact that the NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts certainly ensures a certain level of play right or wrong that you don't necessarily have in other sports with guaranteed contracts.
Permalink | Reply
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 1+-
B.S. Older veterans are cut all the time to clear cap space for younger guys of equal or lesser talent. NFL contracts have nothing to do with product quality and everything to do with maintaining the bottomline at the expense of the vets.
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
901 days ago
Score 1+-
eeeehhhh...Its not necessarly known if a younger player is less talented...moreover, younger players are cheaper and while that lessens the bottom line, most good teams are close to the cap regardless...so while it is about maintaining the bottomline...its maintaining the bottom line to keep the team good...
Permalink
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 1+-
... yeah but only at the expense of veteran players who did nothing wrong playing talent-wise to deserve being cut simply due to cap stipulations. That is just fundamentally wrong. In this country, employers are typically not permitted to fire someone for no just caused. Non-guaranteed contracts permit NFL owners to do whatever they want to employees simply because THEY GOT OLD even if the talent is still there. These actions are not tolerated in traditional unionized industries (as the NFL definitely is) nor condoned by Uncle Sam. The NFL for its own best interests needs to address this situation NOW in its CBA with the NFLPA before Congress will step in with Anti-Trust hearings. And that drum is already beating as Congress is probing an investigation towards the disability shenanigans commited by the union. Upshaw and Goodell have plenty to talk about on matters that do not concern PacMan Jones.
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
901 days ago
Score 1+-
Well the cap is a completely different beast...if you wanna go NBA style, you're going to completely change the complection of the NFL...
Permalink
Willf123JV Squad
901 days ago
Score 0+-
I agree with all the replies to my post. The NFL takes the injured or the old and cuts them to clear the cap space as Tyrone Briggs mentions above. And I also agree that the cap completely changes the complexion of the NFL.
Permalink | Reply
Willf123JV Squad
901 days ago
Score 0+-
"Golfers usually don't end up as catatonic vegetables from sacrificing their minds and bodies playing their sport either." I agree, that's why some people steer their children towards playing golf, tennis, soccer or other sports with less of a reputation for leaving you broken at the end.
Permalink | Reply
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 0+-
Perhaps that is a valid opinion but keep in mind that the dispute is over the management of money that was supposed to be directed towards disabled retired veterans. These retired players already paid into this program as allegedly did the teams. The NFLPA is accused of blocking, slowing down the process or outright denying funds. And that is why the Feds are now involved.
Permalink
Willf123JV Squad
901 days ago
Score 0+-
Maybe someone can answer this for me....if an NFL player never works a day in the public sector are they still elligible for social security? Do they pay in?
Permalink | Reply
JuTMSY4Legend
901 days ago
Score 1+-
the NFL is the public sector...they pay taxes just like everyone else...well...they're supposed to
Permalink
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 0+-
What are you talking about? SS taxes are taken out of their player salaries. Why would you think that NFL players don't pay taxes (including social security, medicare) and please do not argue that someone is actually supposed to expect to be able to live off those federal government ponzi schemes.
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
901 days ago
Score 1+-
Uh yeah...The health "insurance" coverage provided by the gov't is inadequate...at best...
Permalink
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 0+-
Medicare & SS is utterly useless and a joke.
Permalink
JuTMSY4Legend
901 days ago
Score 1+-
I think its comforting to know I will receive about $20 a month after by 65th birtday thanks to all the cash i am (and will) pay in...
Permalink
Willf123JV Squad
901 days ago
Score 1+-
The average American does not have any retirement savings to speak of and the average wage being what it is does not allow for a lot of savings so most people count on social security as the retirement right or wrong. In some sense I can see that the players are saying there is this big pool of fund money out there that could be used much better than it has. On the other hand even with an average career of 3-4 years players will make more money than the average american will make in a lifetime and are not precluded from earning more after their playing careers are over. I'm conflicted.
Permalink | Reply
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 2+-
Fair enough Wilf, but keep in mind that there is a heck of a difference between the incomes earned from players in the 70s and 80s ALONG with their pension packaging that must absorb TODAY'S medical costs due to physical disabilities compared to the today's million dollar NFL player with sophisticated retirement planning (if they are smart) and disability/life insurance policies. And it was the player of YESTERDAY that provided these financial windfalls for these guys that play today. The least the NFLPA can do for these guys in financial hardship is to allocate out their rightful pension earnings and emergency funding in due process and reasonable time.
Permalink
Willf123JV Squad
901 days ago
Score 0+-
Hey fellow posters I'm with ya. I feel your pain.
Permalink | Reply
J CunninghamVarsity Captain
901 days ago
Score 0+-
They did not make a lot of money back in Ditka's day. Most guys who played in the NFL held down as many as two jobs during the offseason because their NFL pay wasn't enough for them and their families to live on. I'm with the former players in their case, I just think they need to stop with the name-calling and the personal attacks on the NFLPA. That's no way to go about making your point.
Permalink | Reply
Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
Score 0+-
More guys with a little influence should be stepping up and helping these guys like Mike Ditka. And I agree with your point about keeping the matter professional however there is a tremendous amount of frustration with this situation. However, Gene Upshaw helped nobody but making the now infamous strangle comment. As a director of the NFLPA, he should damn well know better. Finally, it does not help having former players "in charge" of funds for other former players.
Permalink
Add your Comment
ArmchairGM welcomes all comments. If you don't want to be anonymous, Register or Login. It's free


Retrieved from "http://armchairgm.wikia.com/Retired_NFL_players_have_health_issues"

This page was last modified 12:21, 27 June 2007. Content is available under the GFDL.

Contribute

ArmchairGM's pages can be edited.
Is this page incomplete? Is there anything wrong?
Change it!

Edit this page Discuss this page Page history

Recent contributors to this page

The following people recently contributed to this article.

Embed this on your site

Main Page About Special Pages Help Terms of Use Advertise