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Re:Roy DoucheBragg: Dear Phoenix Fans Shut Up

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by user Bobman024

The link to the original article: http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/atlarge/2007/05/dear_phoenix_shut_the_hell_up.html

The response: Phoenix is a barren wasteland of dust and sand? Sure geographically it’s the desert but lately their has been a strange blowing of hot air coming our from the direction of San Antonio. At first we thought it was just the start of summer but then we noticed the stench of jealousy and BS and figured it must be from one of the hack writers in San Antonio.

While reading your letter to Suns fans we couldn’t help but laugh. We always wondered what the definition of a homer sports journalist, and we use the word journalist lightly, was and we think we’ve found it.

To think someone could be so delusional as to think the Suns are girly and showed no guts shows a complete lack of intelligence, but what should we expect from the state that has gave us the most delusional president of all time.

Your definition of mass hysteria is strangly similar to the definition the rest of the country has for heart. But what would a writer who covers the Spurs know about heart anyways?

Smells like major market envy

What we are witnessing here is a writer who couldn’t make it in a big city at a real paper who had to develop a schtick of making fun of people to even make it in the city who is the little brother of Houston and Dallas. Like the city he writes in he has to bring attention to himself otherwise no one would care.

You claim that the Suns fans have selective memory but the entire nation, outside of San Antonio, doesn’t remember Steve “Two-time MVP” Nash flopping. The only flops they remember are those of Womanu Ginobili. To compare Horry’s suspension, a bit player who has just happened to find himself in the right place at the right time, to the suspension of a teams leading playoff scorer is about as backwards as saying yall, wearing cowboy hats and naming your team after something that is only intimidating to a horse.

You call the people of Phoenix “sun-dried, leathery-skinned Californian transplants.” While when you look at the Spurs fans compared to the suns fans (show pictures) one realizes that you are just upset at the quality of women in San Antonio.

Allow us to respond to your assertions of the Suns fans assertions:

- You claim “The rules are the rules. If the NBA is going to bend the rules they’d do it for Horry” Um welcome to reality, a place you obviously aren’t familiar with. Horry hip checked Nash on a blatant cheap shot while the two Suns players stepped on the court and did nothing. Too bad they didn’t get their monies worth and went to where you were sitting, that is if the Spurs would even give you a press pass. - Sure some suns fans said their was a plot against the Suns but a majority didn’t. Too bad Texas hasn’t succeeded from the union like so many Texans want. Then David Stern would have the international teams he wants and we wouldn’t have to claim you as one of our own. - “The Spurs have a long history as thugs” Ask Michael Finley’s or Steve Nash’s balls, Amare’s Achilles, anyone who has been around Womanu when he flops or the Toronto Raptors. - “The Spurs wouldn’t be good if they hadn’t drafted Robinson and then Duncan. Some people wait for good things to happen, others make good things happen” So the Spurs were the worst team in the NBA two different times on purpose? Tanking a season……hmmm that doesn’t sound like cheating. Be proud of that.

In the end we guess you have to root hard for the Spurs because when their seasons over it must be back to writing about girls softball or the latest rodeo in town. While you enjoy that we will enjoy the NFL, Major League Baseball, the NHL, our world famous golf courses, our clubs, our resorts, our major media market and our gorgeous women and we will thank god that we have writers here who have IQs at least as high as our temperatures.

An to the true Spurs fans that have some class, congradulations, good luck the rest of the playoffs and we will see you next year.

Sincerely, Phoenix Suns Fans

P.S. Here are a few Spurs fans from your own site last year at this time whining about the loss to Dallas.

Posted by: mx52nr at May 25, 2006 05:49 PM

we didn’t play our game in this season’s play offs.we couldn’t move the ball around the court.we couldn’t get help from our big men.tony parker couldn’t knock down the open jumpers (despite he has trained with a shooting coach whole year).we couldn’t get best of our veterans.(except finley)and i think if we want to be in the finals again next year we must rebuild our team on duncan and ginobili.i’m not a fan of parker because he couldn’t have made the progress we were expecting from him.we can use him in a trade to get a better point guard.and also we need a guy like josh howard.

Posted by: monolith at May 25, 2006 10:34 AM

It’s interesting to see how the NBA has changed these days. What you are seeing is a direct result of the rule changes the NBA has implemented to speed up the game and give advantages to faster teams. The refs have to call more fouls now, and it’s forcing teams like the Spurs and Pistons to play a faster game. You don’t foul when you play faster. Spurs just need to get a couple of speedy, athletic solid defenders on teh bench and they will be unstoppable. You guys still have the best nucleus in the league.

Posted by: vokman at May 24, 2006 09:21 PM

it came down to this. game two, dirk with 24 foul attempts..we lose by twenty!! did we really foul that many times, or did the ref have something to do with it? good series either way, but game 2 was the season changer for us. its ashame that refs are whistle happy these days. dallas will lose 4-2 to the suns. and beating the spurs will be for nothing.

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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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Let's get this straight. It's NOT a desert, it's an arid zone. There's less than 1% of the state that's actually "desert". California and Oregon both have more desert than Arid-zona does...

I won't cry (much more) it was just a quality season derailed and it sucks.

At least it'll be fun watching the Jazz get their due respect as they destroy the Spurs...
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ASwaffAll-American
949 days ago
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Manny, please tell me you don't actually think that the Jazz are going to destroy the Spurs. I have too much respect for you to think something that dumb.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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Have you seen them play? The Jazz have post guys to play with Duncan and guards to handle Parker and Ginobili. Parker won't get 25 in any game this series. Sloan will have his guys grinding. The Spurs are in for a DOGfight. And Jazz is the Bigger dog here... I ABSOLUTELY believe that the Jazz will beat the Spurs. The Jazz are dirtier!
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ASwaffAll-American
949 days ago
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Haha...well, if you want to go on the basis of the Jazz being dirtier, I'm with you on that.  ;)


But I think that, while they do have good post guys, they won't be able to stop Duncan. The same way the Suns have post guys but still couldn't stop Duncan. The post guys for the Jazz looked even better than they actually are against Golden State because Golden State is small and, typical of Don Nelson teams, don't really play much defense. I'm not taking anything away from a good Jazz team, but they have had the easiest route of all in the playoffs, and they don't have the depth to compete with San Antonio. Also, while Sloan is a very good coach, there is no coach in the NBA that is better at making game-to-game adjustments than Pop.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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Boozer, okur and kirilenko or Duncan, Elson and Oberto? uhhh... yeah.... Okur gives the Spurs NIGHTMARE matchups as a 7footer that can drain the 3 and pull Duncan out for the cutters. The Jazz are going to surgically pick and roll the Spurs to death.... I will enjoy it.
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ASwaffAll-American
949 days ago
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First of all, Texas can't succeed from the union. They can secede from the union. Secondly, there isn't a specific rule against tanking the season. The NBA has put things into place to prevent it, and it's generally considered to be underhanded, but it's not cheating. It's not breaking a specific rule, like leaving the bench during an altercation has a specific rule.


Please, do a little more research before you just fire off a column next time.
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ASwaffAll-American
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"To compare Horry’s suspension, a bit player who has just happened to find himself in the right place at the right time, to the suspension of a teams leading playoff scorer is about as backwards as saying yall, wearing cowboy hats and naming your team after something that is only intimidating to a horse."


I think this is where the thinking on this series is most backwards. The NBA suspends the people involved, not the people they'd have to suspend to make the series even. Horry was involved, and he got suspended. He rightfully got a more lengthy suspension than the other two players involved, Stoudemire and Diaw. But don't expect the NBA to ignore one player breaking the rules because his suspension would make the series uneven. What do you expect them to do? Suspend Duncan just so the Spurs would ALSO lose their highest scorer and rebounder? Suspensions are made on the basis of who broke the rules, not what's "fair."

And, for clarification, I put "fair" in quotes because of this delusion that suspending Suns players for breaking rules was somehow unfair to the Suns. You break the rules, you get punished. Period. "Fair" has nothing to do with it.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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the difference was the classless intent. There was no need to foul like that. There's a history between Horry (who was Nash's teammate for a short time before the Ainge-towel-face incident); WHO KNOWS what else there was.

It all comes down to Nash getting his face busted open while Parker cried like a little girl and Bull Shit Bob Horry acting like he really is. A nothing classless pawn.

Nash's back condition is no secret. Horry KNEW exactly what he was doing.

So make those two freek events normal and it was a five game series as far as I'm concerned.

It all comes down to: In reality, the Spurs won. I'm not cryng about it. But are they proud of how?
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ASwaffAll-American
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But again, Horry was suspended. You want to suspend someone else based on classless intent? It matters WHO he fouls because of past injuries? That's nonsense, Manny, and you're smarter than that. Horry committed a hard, unnecessary foul, and he got suspended. That doesn't mean we get to ignore that two Suns players broke the rules. I'm not pardoning what Horry did, and I'm not pardoning what the Suns players did. A little consistency is all I ask. A little respect for the rules. Horry broke the rules and got suspended, as did Stoudemire and Diaw. You can't make a fuss just because of WHO it was. Rules is rules. They don't discriminate based on star power. That's a garbage argument, and you know it.
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ASwaffAll-American
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By the way, I don't see what the Spurs have to be ashamed of. The didn't force Stoudemire and Diaw to jump off the bench. It's not the fault of the Spurs that the Suns bench was out of control. Again, I'm not pardoning what Horry did, but those players knew the rule when they did that. And you can talk about provocation all you want, but the Spurs can't MAKE the Suns do anything. They broke the rule, and it's their own fault.


By the way, shame for invoking the whole bleeding-nose thing. There was nothing dirty about that. It was a collision, and it was a foul on Nash. Shame on you for invoking that and trying to put it on par with the REAL things the Spurs did in the series.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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Ask John Cheney if it's cool.

If Horry doesn't act like a classless bum then Diaw and STAT never get suspended and the Spurs don't win a tainted series.

While I'm ALL for rules are rules, it sets another precedent. Every case is individual and you and I both know that no rule is good for ALL situations.

(except maybe "beauty is in the eye of the beerholder" - that one is failproof)
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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Besides aren't you a Rockets fan, traitor? Just let me mourn in relatively semi-loud and ranting peace... =)
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ASwaffAll-American
949 days ago
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Again, a silly comparison. The Spurs didn't do anything as flagrant as that Cheney incident, and nothing they did led to an injury. Stop trying to make it seem like it a was a hockey team versus a women's golf team out there. It wasn't.


And again, trying to blame their inability to control themselves on Horry is ridiculous. They're grown men, and the league expects them to act like grown men. Yeah, if Horry doesn't act like a classless bum, then they don't jump off the bench. BUT, if they don't jump off the bench, they don't suspended. They're responsible for their own actions.
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ASwaffAll-American
949 days ago
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And no, I'm not a Rockets fan. At least, not primarily. I pull for all teams from Texas, but the Spurs are really my team. They're my favorite.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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just because no one got seriously doesn't mean it's ok
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ASwaffAll-American
949 days ago
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My point wasn't that it's okay because nobody got hurt. My point is that it's not an apt comparison because in Cheney's example, someone was horrible hurt. The Spurs didn't injure anyone through these fouls. Nobody missed time due to injury. That doesn't mean the fouls are okay, I'm just saying that you're going overboard by trying to compare one example where someone was horribly injured to another example where nobody was injured. Especially when we had verbal confirmation to support the idea that Cheney was trying to hurt people...we have nothing of the sort in the case of the Spurs. VERY different situations.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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Horry could have been a professional and wrapped him up with a foul in stead of laying a forearm shiver. There was NO need for it. I know there's more to it than we know. It was personal, it wasn't just general frustration. Horry KNEW he was going to level Nash before he did it... And again, EVERYONE in the association knows Nash has back issues. He LAYS DOWN every time he's on the bench to help his back. He VERY WELL could have been injured every bit as much as the kid who broke his arm against Temple could have NOT broken his arm.
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ASwaffAll-American
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Yeah, he could have been hurt. And Oberto COULD have been hurt when Marion was throwing elbows at him early in game five. But they weren't injured. So, like I said, trying to interpret intent without any REAL evidence to back it up, especially when saying they were trying to do something as vicious as intentionally injuring someone, is unfair.


And a forearm shiver? Come on, Manny. You need to stop watching that play through shaded glasses.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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he didn't wrap him up (or even attempt to). NO REASON he shouldn't grab him and hold him, wrap him up. The intent was CLEARLY NOT just to get a quick foul.

Again. It doesn't matter to me that it's all over, these things happen and in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty insignificant anyway.... but to say that it didn't impact the series is a blatent fib...

Horry is classless, unproffesional and he proved for sure this time.
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ASwaffAll-American
949 days ago
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Yes, Okur gives them matchup nightmares, but the Spurs tend to adjust. They've had matchup nightmares before that they overcame. Not to mention that you're only assuming that he'll pull Duncan out for the cutters. I'd think that Duncan will be down low the whole time while someone else like Bowen will have the responsibility of staying in Okur's face. And I'm not that worried about Kirilenko. He's suddenly playing well, but he averaged 8 points per game in the regular season. I still take Duncan over any of those guys.


Oh, and Parker doesn't have to score 25 points for the Spurs to win. He never scored more than 21 against Denver, and the Spurs won two games against Phoenix where he scored 16 or less. This is what I'm talking about. The Spurs are deep, and I don't think the Jazz have the manpower to answer that.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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The Jazz are deep too, I think that's what you don't get. They have the better point guard and Duncan, while he's the best player on the floor will have too much to contend with in the Jazz.

Need I remind you that Old friend Derek Fisher is a Utah Jazz... HA HA ha ha ha!!!

Odd numbered year my ass!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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Deron Williams is going to obliterate Tony Parker. Parker is going to be exposed as a fraud when Williams glares at him. Just like Stephon Marbury used to do to him; make him piss his pants. Parker can get brave with Nash, but Deron is going to beat Tony like... aw crap, I wrote myself into an asimile corner.... an egg for a soufflet (it's French)
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False ProphetAll-Star
949 days ago
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A. Tanking happens every year (but unfortunately Kevin McHale doesn't know how to do it properly)

B. Good teams do what it takes to win, day in and day out. My favorite Pats team in history was the 01 pats, who won off of the "tuck rule", which even I admit is bullshit

C. The rule sucks about leaving the bench area, but the rule wasn't new. They knew what would happen if they stepped off the bench, and they took a chance. Should the rule exist? No. Should the Spurs players who did the exact same thing have been suspened? Yes. Were they? No. Does that mean they have to go back and even things out by going back and time and changing the call? No.

Any Suns fan who dissagrees with C is a liar. I guarantee that you all would say the same thing if the calls were reversed.

D. Orr made a hard foul, and served his time. end of discussion.

E. The Suns wouldn't have lost last night if not for extremely stupid plays by Raja Bell, who made multiple pointless fouls, and then fouled Ginobli, the Spurs best free throw shooter. Had bell been smart and not made the pointless fouls, and have fouled someone else, there'd be a game 7 in PHX, and I'd be saying that the Spurs would be done.
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ASwaffAll-American
949 days ago
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I agree with everything you said except the thing about the Spurs players doing the exact same thing. They didn't do the exact same thing. The example the Suns invoked wasn't even close to being an altercation, it was two players who got tied up. And, by the way, it was wildly hypocritical on their part to call THAT a an altercation when they were arguing that the Horry-Bell shoving match wasn't an altercation. Also, during the tie-up, Duncan was one step away from the bench, not 15 feet up the sideline. For anyone to act like those two situations were even remotely similar, let alone the same, is absurd.
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False ProphetAll-Star
949 days ago
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but the NBA likes to call rediculous things. Duncan got kicked out of a game for laughing, remember. I would not have been upset if the Spurs players and the Suns players got suspened, nor would I have been too upset if the Spurs players got suspended. The rule sucks, but it's not new. It's time for Suns fans to move on
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Bobman024JV Squad
949 days ago
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The series was lost during Games 1 and 5 not Game 6. Had the Suns won one of those close games at home, it's a whole different story.
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ASwaffAll-American
949 days ago
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Exactly, thank you. I don't understand people saying this was unfair to the Suns like it was a one-game series. They had five chances to beat the Spurs WITH Stoudemire and Diaw, and they lost three of them. They only lost those guys for ONE game. To act like that automatically lost the series for them is preposterous.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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It was the changing point of the series, wouldn't you say? The Suns went from having ALL of the momentum to reeling without two of their 3 post players. And yes, they were suspended for a CRITICAL game, not just any. It didn't LOSE the series for the Suns, but it certainly changed the series for the Spurs.
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False ProphetAll-Star
949 days ago
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no, it changed nothing. THe Suns had what, a 15 point lead entering the final minnutes of the 4th Quarter. With or without Amare and Diaw, a 15 point lead is not that hard to hold. The T-Puppies can hold a 15 point lead (sometimes). the Suns lost that game because of their inability to close the game out. They lost again because Raja Bell was an effing idiot and essentially gave the Spurs the game with his stupid fouls
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
949 days ago
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FP, sometimes I wonder what it is you watch while your television is tuned into a game...
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