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Playing Gm..From Bill Smith's View point

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by Mike Ketchen

www.thebaseballfix.blogspot.com

 

Imagine for a second you are Bill Smith. You have just been apointed General Manager of the Minnesota Twins. You got a good solid foundation to build around as well as a good fan base. Now your first task as GM, real easy. Simply find the best deal and trade the most dominating pitcher in all of baseball, who by the way is in what is considered his prime. No sweat right? This is what I have been pondering. I have been running all the scenarios through my mind on how the Johan Santana situation plays out. I do however have a slight bias as I have been looking through a Red Sox prospective. Now I want to look at this from Bill Smith and the Twins perspective. First, let's look at the known bidders. We have the Boston Red Sox, who are openly admitting they are still in talks. We have the New York Mets, who need Santana the most and are also open about wanting him. Then, there is of course the New York Yankees. Granted, publicly they have said there window has passed, but I highly doubt (and I am certainly not alone in this) that if the Twins come calling with a little more suitable deal to there liking they are not going to say no. There is lastly speculation that a team like the Los Angeles Angels or the Los Angeles Dodgers could also be in. Now let's break down potential deals from all of these teams and decide which one makes the most sense from both sides. Keeping in mind that the Twins are looking for at least two Major League ready prospects in return.

 

Twins to Angels:

Twins to Dodgers:

Twins to Yanks:

Twins to Red Sox:

From a Twins' standpoint, either one of these proposals would be given them at least three players ready to step right in and contribute. Also one thing that can not be overlooked is the fact that Johan has said he would waive his no trade to come to Boston, not to mention that the Red Sox are the only team along with the Yankees who have shown that the money will not be an issue.

Personally, if I was Bill Smith, I am passing on the Angels and Yankees offer and I am trying to get a bidding war between the Dodgers and Red Sox going. If the Dodgers come to the table with Clayton Kershaw, Matt Kemp, and another piece or two, I think I am leaning that way. However, I do not see it happening and I still believe that Johan Santana ends up with the Red Sox next season.

There are two proposed packages on the table from the Sox to the Twins. Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson are involved in both. One package would include Jon Lester and Coco Crisp, the other would feature Jacoby Ellsbury. Out of all these prospects, Ellisbury is the obvious star. He will hit for a solid average and fill the hole left by Torii Hunter in center. Also, he would provide a great threat at the top of the lineup, stealing 35 to 45 bases along the way. The one thing that may be overlooked in all this is that the Lester package may be better for the Twins in the long run. Lowrie who is ready to contribute now is involved, as well as Masterson who can contribute as a starter or even contribute in the bullpen where his mid 90’s sinker could proof to be a huge weapon in late innnings by season’s end. One more thing on Masterson too. If he does come in and contribute in the bullpen it may make moving Joe Nathan easier, as they can slide Pat Neshek into the closer role a little less stressful. Then there is the lefty who throws in the low 90’s and features both a nasty curve and a solid sweeping curve. We forgot that Lester was a top pitching prospect in all of baseball just two years ago. His ceiling projects just as high as Phillip Hughes and he has proven more then any other pitcher being mentioned in these trade talks. Also, Coco Crisp is not simply a throw in. He played arguably the best center field in terms of range in all of baseball last season and is under control for short money for the next 2-3 years depending if they pick up his option. Also if the Twins see fit they could flip him to another team in the hunt for a CF for more prospects.

Supposed deadlines aside. I still don’t know if this can get done. When you read up on the players the Yanks would have to include you hear mixed things. Some see Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy as front line starters. Others see Hughes as a one pitch pitcher with good command but far off with his secondary stuff. As for Kennedy, I just do not see him dominating in the AL. If you break him down I think his celing is probably what James Shields is in Tampa. But most pitchers can not be a one or two in a rotation with a sub par heater. I think the Twins may also not be completely sold on either being a sure thing. Which would explain why they have insisted on the inclusion of both. This deal could happen though if the Yanks do decide to step up and offer both Kennedy and Hughes with Melky Cabrera (what the infatuation is with him, only god knows.) and Austin Jackson. Again, this deal would help the Twins both next season and over the next 2-5 yrs as all will be under control for cheap money. This one has not gained as much steam as I thought, which could mean two things. First, the Dodgers do not want to pay what Santana will command. Second, they are in like most thought, they are however just being very quiet about it. (a-la the Sox in Bedard talks) The Dodgers certainly have the talent to pull this off. If they include a package built around Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw (regarded by many as top pitching prospect in baseball). I also think this could help the Dodgers sure up there bullpen if they are maybe willing to exchange Jonathon Broxton for Nathan. From the Twins standpoint, Kemp provides a promising young OF who is major league ready and Kershaw could slot right in behind Francisco Liriano. Giving the Twins a potentially dominating one two punch in 2-3yrs from now. There is few different scenarios that have potential here, however I do not see this becoming a reality at all. The Angels could build a solid package around Jered Weaver. However they have displayed an unwillingness to trade there prospects. Most of which in my opinion they have greatly over valued.


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KelsdadAll-Star
720 days ago
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There is one team missing from your list of possible Santana suitors, and, ironically, it is the team he will end up with.
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SashaDiv-I Stud
720 days ago
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Aren't you a teaser KD.
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KelsdadAll-Star
720 days ago
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Actually, not really. All you have to do is research.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
720 days ago
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Or get a crystal ball to be more accurate.
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Mike KetchenJV Squad
720 days ago
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do u mean holding onto him? like you know trying to be real cute in saying the twins? Also I did not bother with the mets because I do not see a package comparable seeing how they have already thrown everything the Twins way. However they are lacking a clear stud prospect (pelfrey stock has fallen, so has Humber) and pitching is what they are looking for. However if Minaya changes his stance n includes Reyes well then maybe. However please do not write like you are smarter then everyone else. Leave a comment share but please do not be an ass! : )
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KelsdadAll-Star
720 days ago
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If you want to take my comment as being I'm an ass, fine, but your article proved I'm smarter than you, so, now what?

So you went out and created a blog, big deal. Doesn't make you smarter than anyone.

There's users on this site that are professional journalists, and others who actually work in baseball, you think you're telling us things we don't know? You think any of us would believe some trade rumor you made up, knowing what is actually happening, or going to? Please. Know your audience.

Have a nice day.
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Mike KetchenJV Squad
720 days ago
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lol buddy I am not smarter then anyone else! Nor did I give off the impression or make the statement. You my friend were the one trying to be all secretive with your mystery team. I am simply sharing my thoughts on baseball. Yes I made a blog to do so cause I have a passion and I think I understand the game well. But how exactly did you prove you are smarter then me? if anything you just proved you are an ass who thinks its cool to drop subliminal one liners. Grow up or Grown a pair I dont care either way : )
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KelsdadAll-Star
720 days ago
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I wasn't trying to be secretive, I wanted to see if you knew. Goes to credibility, you know.

Speaking of which, Kennedy, Hughes, Cabrera and Jackson in the same deal? I think not. Lester's ceiling is as high as Hughes? Comparing Kennedy to James Shields?

Had enough, or should I keep going?
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SkipidsJV Squad
720 days ago
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whats wrong with James Shields???
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Redsoxfaithful38Waterboy
720 days ago
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Actually, Lester is pretty amazing. I mean he was only lights out in the World Series, albiet one game. He is still like 21 or 22 and is already an established big leaguer. So yeah, his ceilling is as high as Hughes, which is why I don't think the Red Sox should get Santana.
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Mike KetchenJV Squad
720 days ago
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Kels dude, I do not know what you are talking about in terms of credibility or whatever. And maybe you do not see where I am coming from when I write these posts wheather on here or my site. I sit and read and analyze the info and then share my opinions. And yes why dont you go do some research on Hughes/Lester and see what scouts say. Also I made shields/Kennedy comparison due to the fact neither posses a over powering FB and they rely on Great command and plus change ups. and if you notice I said that was his celling or is that not high enough for you? I do not know why you have so much anger or hate in my direction. But hey "if you ain't being hated on, you ain't doing shit"
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
720 days ago
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I'm confused by the last sentence. Jay Mariotti is universally hated and he doesn't do shit.
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KelsdadAll-Star
720 days ago
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Show me one scouting report that says Lester's ceiling is comparable to Hughes. I'll be waiting.
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SkipidsJV Squad
720 days ago
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According to CBSsportsline: Shields has thrown 215 innings, going 12-8 with a 3.85 ERA in 31 starts. Last year as a rookie, he worked 124 2/3 innings in 21 starts and was 6-8 with a 4.84 ERA. Consider him a potential top 25 Fantasy starter heading into spring 2008.
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Mike KetchenJV Squad
720 days ago
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Lester and Hughes were back in forth in all prospect rankings prior to Lester being called up first and dealing with cancer. They had similar stats last yr and both have a ton of potential. Right now Hughes has better command and is younger bu Lester has better stuff and is a lefty with a velocity that will hit 96. So putting your yank affilation aside. If you are the GM today Kels who are you taking? and I will respect you either choice just please give reason.
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KelsdadAll-Star
720 days ago
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I asked for a scouting report on Lester and Hughes, not a prospect list. I'll save you a little time, the reason why you can't provide one is because it doesn't exist. And I'm fully aware of prospect lists and how they can change. Sometimes its on the player's recent performance, sometimes its based on what the ML team needs at the time.

To answer your question. First, I can promise you any opinion or answer I give anyone will not at all be influenced by my avatar. What does that do to my credibility?

Lester is two and a half years older than Hughes and, because of the cancer, is damaged goods. Even if he never (and hopefully so) has a recurrence of the cancer, there will always be the question of what if?

Look at their career numbers..Lester's W/L is 11-2, but his other numbers are freaking awful, hits allowed, walks, his WHIP is ridiculous. He's also a bit on the skinny side for a power pitcher, so how much longer can he maintain it?

Hughes on the other hand is a freak, 6'5" with an easy, smooth motion and almost perfect mechanics.

If I was putting a team together and could pick ten pitchers with less than two years experience, Lester wouldn't be on it.

And so you know, the highest ceiling belongs to Kennedy, not Hughes (or Chamberlain, for that matter.)
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Tmil42AAA-er
720 days ago
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Kelsdad, you may disagree, but I'd say that Chamberlain or Hughes has the highest ceiling, but Kennedy is a surer bet to have a long, successful career.
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KelsdadAll-Star
720 days ago
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That's the scouting bureau list, not mine. Personally, I do disagree. You're right about the projectability part on their career, but there is a much lower margin for error on a finesse pitcher over a power pitcher. That said, I'd take Hughes first, then Kennedy, then Chamberlain.
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Tmil42AAA-er
720 days ago
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I really can't argue with you, you're much better at this than I am. If you have to choose between which is the best Yankee pitching prospect, it's a nice problem to have. Me, I'm stuck choosing whether Pelfrey or Humber will end up being an above-average starter (my guess: don't count on it).
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KelsdadAll-Star
720 days ago
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It's one thing to be a power pitcher and have Tommy Johns surgery, but when your a finesse type pitcher and have arm problems, that's a whole different ballgame. Remember Paul Wilson?

That's Philip Humber. Big draft pick who ended up having all kinds of arm problems and ended up doing nothing.

I like Pelfrey. He's 6'7" and skinny as a pole, but he throws hard and has a bitchin' slider. Plus he's like two and a half years younger than Humber.

My money's on Pelfrey, I thinks he's going to end up being a real good pitcher.
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Tmil42AAA-er
720 days ago
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That's really good to know. A lot of experts seemed really down on Pelfrey this year. I'm glad some people still see him as an above-average prospect.
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KelsdadAll-Star
720 days ago
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Tall, skinny pitchers have problems at times with stamina, it's hard to project them as #1 or #2 pitchers because there is nothing to indicate they can pitch 200 innings in a season or even average 7 a game. If Pelfrey can put on some weight without messing up his mechanics and maybe even improve on his stuff somewhat, then he can be mentioned in the same breath with Hughes and Kennedy and Bucholz and Homer Bailey and these other young studs. If not, then he might just end up as a number four or five and start 20 times a year with one or two DL stints. He certainly has a big variance to where his career can go, but in the few times I've seen him he's looked pretty good.
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Tmil42AAA-er
720 days ago
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You're right, that is a very wide variance, but it makes sense. There's a lot of ifs in there, but Rick Peterson is a very good pitching coach, and I'm sure he's doing the best he can to make Pelfrey a viable starter for the 2007 season.
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