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Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe - Thank Bud Selig - Today is Your Day!

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by Mlnsports

First, let me say that I hate Pete Rose. He was a great player, but he was also a lying, cheating scumbucket, in my opinion. He disgraced the game, and he was exiled. Shoeless Joe Jackson was a great player, a little thick between the ears, and went along with the gang on the game fixing during the Chicago Black Sox scandal to get even with Charles Comiskey. Thanks to Bud Selig and George Mitchell, both of them have an excellent case to be reinstated in the game and have their accomplishments hit the Hall of Fame.

Yesterday, Mitchell's team in their report wrote:

"The Commissioner should give the players the chance to make a fresh start, except where the conduct is so serious that he must act to protect the integrity of the game. This would be a tangible and positive way for him to demonstrate to the players, to the clubs, to the fans, and to the general public his desire for the cooperative effort that baseball needs to deal effectively with this problem. It also would give him a clear and convincing basis for imposing meaningful discipline for future violations."

This is intended to give Selig the out to only pick a few, like Bonds, who are doomed anyway, and make examples of them, while letting the rest skate. Let's break that down, though:

[E]xcept where the conduct is so serious that he must act to protect the integrity of the game

All of the conduct here has been "serious." On the player's side, it is both against the law and a violation of baseball's rules. On the operations side, every trainer identified in the report has committed "serious" violations of baseball's rules that, were it one or two people, would be dealt with by exiling them from the game for life. On the ownership and front office side, there are players who are known as juicers to the point that it affected their salary negotiations and yet none of those in the front office felt compelled to turn them over to the Commissioner. That's a particularly "serious" violation.

Let's talk about the "integrity of the game." The national pastime has always struggled with that "I" word. From the owners of the early era that raped and pillaged the players, to the back swing from the free agency movement that culminated in the End of Days strike in 1994 and then the "Let's shoot up and heal baseball" drug-fest that followed, Major League Baseball on all fronts has a hard time with the word integrity. There is no integrity in a game full of cheats who know they're cheating the public from the locker room to the board room. Shame on every last one of you for putting a spectacle of lies out on the field for the last thirteen years in particular, and trying to pass it off as business as usual in the great and storied history of the game of baseball. Baseball is a game of records. Maris and Aaron are both the legitimate holders of their record.

To end the "Dead Brain" era, and bring "integrity to the game" all of the records involving juicers must be reversed, and the record restored to pre-steriods holders. Integrity means that Hank Aaron, who worked his record the real way, gets to keep his record. Integrity is a system where the exploits of Barry and Mark and Sammy never find their way into the same company as Cobb, Ruth, Aaron, Williams, DiMaggio and the other legions of players who didn't cheat the game.

"Integrity of the game" means that everyone who cheated has to go. Everyone in the Mitchell report. Everyone who gets found out. Field. Front office. Coaches. Trainers.

The Rebirth of Charlie Hustle

Of course, if you are going to sweep this mess under the rug for the sake of the immediate moment, and flush away the entire history of baseball, which is what the Mitchell Report recommends, then we have to talk about Rose and the Chicago Black Sox.

Gambling is bad. It taints the game because someone can fix the outcome for their own gain.

Steroids are bad. They taint the game because someone can fix the outcome for their own gain.

Hey wait! Theyre pretty much the same! Cheating is cheating. They should all be out of the game for life. If you let in one, as much as I dislike Rose and what he did, I have to say that all bets are off when it comes to further suspension, pun somewhat intended.

According to Mitchell, cheating is something that we can overlook for the greater good. According to Selig, the fact that you fans show up in record numbers to games mean that no one really cares about steroids.

Stand Up Before the Next 7th Inning and Be Counted

So show that you care. Boycott Spring Training. Boycott April. Let them see that the national pastime reflects the moral character of this great country of ours, and not the greedy losers who will do anything or say anything to keep your cash coming in over the transom.

For Robinson, Ryan, Ripken, and Ruth; For Wagner and Williams; For Drysdale and DiMaggio. The legions of great players who infused American life with a love of a sport and who left an honest mark on the game deserve better, and need your help to keep their history alive with some dignity.

If left to Selig and Mitchell, the historic game of professional baseball is over. Don't let that happen, if you love baseball.


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SSreportersLegend
714 days ago
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See? You take Tyrone's nagging advice, and it's a very good article.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
714 days ago
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Brian should write a book. And Kenrick should take careful notes.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
714 days ago
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I just thought of this. I wonder what the Cliff's Notes to Kenrick's book would look like.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
714 days ago
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You mean Cliff's Note.
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KelsdadAll-Star
714 days ago
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No seated commissioner has ever reversed a decision made by a previous administration. Pete Rose will not be reinstated, at least not while he is alive.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
714 days ago
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Pete Rose won't get in as long as several people already in the Hall are still alive. He's not well liked amongst his "peers".

George Steinbrenner will get in before Rose.

Shoeless Joe on the other hand... Does he REALLY deserve to be in anyway?
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KelsdadAll-Star
714 days ago
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Bud Selig will get in before Pete Rose.


How come everyone forgets (or doesn't know about) Eddie Cicotte? He likely would have made the Hall too.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
714 days ago
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Great point on both accounts!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
714 days ago
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I have not been around as long as you evidently. Eddie was a little "before my time"!
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
713 days ago
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No seated commissioner has ever let any player or players, identified in a formal inquiry, ever skate on a massive rules violation either. The point about Rose was not to readmit him, but rather that if you let in one high crime then how relevant is the other?
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KelsdadAll-Star
713 days ago
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Because you then open the can of worms on the proof aspect, Brian. The amount of evidence against Rose was so overwhelming it was mindboggling.

If some clubhouse guy says he saw Clemens inject himself with steriods, its a third party report and is circumstantial.

You're 100% spot on in your assessment, but if circumstantial evidence was applicable in court, OJ would be in prison.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
713 days ago
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OJ got busted on that evidence in civil. The standards are lower there because no one's life and liberty is being taken away. Likewise, the standard of proof in such an investigation would probably lead only to civil matters being filed, if at all, so the law firm involved only worked things up to the civil standard. In most cases, though, in the Mitchell Report, there are first-hand accounts of involvement.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
714 days ago
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Boycott Spring Training? So... hurt the players today because of Bud Selig's incompetence and the cheating players of a decade ago? Huh?

If you're going to boycott Spring Training, how about because the prices and concessions are too high and the game play sucks because the "Stars" only play 3 innings at best?

Seriously, Arizona Fall League games are several times more fun to watch than Spring Training games...
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
713 days ago
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Hurt the players??? Manny, I have to tell you, the players who don't do steroids and live with the guys that do who ruin their game would just about get down on the floor and kiss you for not showing up. They would rather play in front of an empty stadium for 12 weeks if it righted the game and forced the Commissioner's hand than play in front of you and keep the status quo, which, after all, is what will happen. The enforcement officer recommended is a joke. If they report to the Commissioner, they're suspect, because the Commissioner is an owner. So nothing changes.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
714 days ago
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I know people are going to disagree with me on this, and rational people can have different opinions on things, especially something like this. But here goes...

People often talk about the "integrity" of the game when talking about steroids. Obviously, steroids change the playing field. But, to me, the time when the integrity of a sporting event or game of some sort is truly threatened when one side is not trying to win. Regardless of whether Pete Rose ever bet against his own team or anything like that, he put himself in a position where that integrity could have been threatened. That's why gambling is so serious, and why Rose is still out of baseball.

The second point is that Rose knew that if he bet on baseball, he would be kicked out of the game and the Hall forever. There was no such punishment in place for using 'roids when these guys did.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
713 days ago
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Performance enhancing substances are apples and oranges. Baseball was slow to understand them. They banned them when it became apparent that they altered the playing field and damaged the integrity of the game. Again, folks, I agree that Rose shouldn't be in, but CHEATING IS CHEATING. Even if there wasn't a lifetime ban assessed for 'roids, and there should have been early on to make the point, there wasn't a lifetime ban on gambling until the first major incident occurred, and then they had to come up with a penalty that would be equal to the crime. We've come to a point where steroids have now been the cause for two of the biggest records in baseball to fall artificially: Maris and Aaron's homerun records. Regardless of whether Roger Clemens took steroids to work through a sore point, he put himself in a position where he violated the existing rules in the year that he did it, and put himself back in the game in a way that the chemicals in his body gave him a competitive advantage that influenced the outcome of games. This is exactly why the substances are banned. So there is no difference, save the degree of punishment, which, in my opinion, has always been too slight.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
713 days ago
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So, you want Gaylord Perry, Whitey Ford, and John McGraw all out of the Hall, right? Cheating is cheating.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
713 days ago
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Sure. And Josh Gibson and Satchel Paige admitted for their Negro League years too. While we're at it, I'm not too sure that I'm fond of Ty Cobb...
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KelsdadAll-Star
713 days ago
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Wow, Brian, you running for public office or something?


Agree, and agree again.
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KelsdadAll-Star
714 days ago
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I agree, KWitt
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
713 days ago
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Pete Rose damn well knew that gambling equaled banishment in baseball.

He didn't give a shit and did so anyways. Then he lied when caught. And only when it was profitable for Pete Rose, he finally confessed.

If Rose really wants to be in a HOF, perhaps he should build his own. Maybe inside Caesar's Palace....
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JamelAll-American
713 days ago
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Rose is Bonds mentor and idol
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FrugolfVarsity Captain
711 days ago
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The fans should listen to this.Selig as much as slapped all fans in the face.His statement of "We will have more fans next year than we did this year" is an insult to all of us.How does he know this report won't make us walk away? If we are not seeing the real winners only better baseball through chemistry, why should we watch.I teach my little league team that practice and hard work pays off.What are they teaching?? It will be a long time if ever that I attend another game.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
120 days ago
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terrible
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