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Myers guilty; what will MLB do?

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by user Xinoph

Asked after the game yesterday, when asked about the booes wife-beater Brett Myers received yesterday at Fenway, Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said, "It didn't surprise me. Boston is pretty rough." [1]. My first response to that idiotic quote was that the crowd wasn't being rough - they were showing common decency. My second response was, "Boston's rough? Apparently not as rough as being married to Brett Myers."
The most disgusting thing about this whole situation has been the muted reaction from the Phillies and Major League Baseball. While Ozzie Guillen was suspended last week for asking David Riske to hit somebody, Myers did hit somebody - no, viciously beat is the term I'm looking for here - and he's getting off scott-free so far. The Phillies let him start, and MLB's only comment was, "We have to wait until the justice system runs its course before we can really comment on it." [2] A cop-out response if I ever heard one. It's a standard cop-out response that doesn't make any sense. Anyone can comment on anything they wish at any time; unless it's a grand jury with which they're involved in some way, there is no gag order. MLB can get up there and defend the rights of women and the honor of their players who aren't wife-beaters, but they didn't. As is becoming increasingly common in the Selig Era, they have ducked the tough issue yet again here.
Meanwhile, the Phillies themselves apparently don't much care who Myers beats off the field, as long as he keeps beating people on the field. The Philadelphia management is standing by their man; they're slower to punish their player for beating his wife than the Texas Rangers were last year when one of their players took a jab at a reporter.
Myers' guilt or innocence is not really in doubt, despite what the too-politically correct MLB is saying. There were a half-dozen witnesses; he attacked her in front of a bar on the sidewalk. This is not the Kobe Bryant he-said/she-said type of situation. The trial will be quick. The only question is whether MLB's response will be as well.

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Sun 06/25/06, 7:01 am EST

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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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Now taking a betting pool on how long it takes Spineless Selig to do something about this.
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Ron Sen, MDRed-Shirting
1253 days ago
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The key determinant to punishment isn't only the severity of the crime (or presumption of innocence) but the value of the player. If Brett Myers had been the 10th or 11th pitcher on the team, would he have gotten kid gloves or the Iron Fist? It's Steve Howe again, as long as you can pitch, you have a chance at redemption.
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JuTMSY4Legend
1253 days ago
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THe phillies need brett myers, this is very true...
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ASwaffAll-American
1253 days ago
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I honestly don't think that's the factor. He hasn't been found guilty of anything yet. Baseball doesn't pass judgement based on accusations.
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XinophDraft Pick
1251 days ago
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That is totally a factor, don't be naive. If he were some nobody he'd have been suspended.
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JuTMSY4Legend
1253 days ago
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I agree, its not right to beat your wife...for that matter, you shouldn't hit a woman. Perhaps I am biased, but it is only fair to let the justice system runs its course prior to any MLB action. I only read what was on boston.com, and it stated that he supposedly hit her and may have pulled her hair. A witness called 911. THe point is, regardless of public opinion, its innocent until proven guilty. I think Brett should apologize, obviously to his wife, but to his fans. THe point is, we don't know what really happened, we're hearing it third hand...
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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Why is it fair? MLB can punish people whether they're legally guilty or not. The mere fact that he got himself into that situation reflects poorly on MLB and the sport as a whole; they should punish him for that alone. We do know what happened; when a half-dozen witnesses give almost the exact same account of the incident, it's pretty open-and-shut.
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ASwaffAll-American
1253 days ago
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Xinoph, I don't think it's fair to judge him to "getting into that situation at all." It's not like nobody's every been wrongfully accused.
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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There's no judging involved, just punishing.
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JuTMSY4Legend
1253 days ago
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A half a dozen boston fans...on boylston...drunk... I was on boylston that night and that's what you do there...drink.
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XinophDraft Pick
1251 days ago
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That's really irrelevant. I don't think most Boston fans would recognize Brett Myers as a Philadelphia or MLB pitcher in a well-lit situation, let alone at night. I know I'm a good baseball fan, and I barely recognized his name before this - like many baseball fans, I hardly ever watch NL games unless they're interleague involving Boston. It's not like this is A-Rod we're talking about here, it's somebody basically unknown in Boston. And you know what? When a half-dozen people give strikingly similar accounts, whether they're drunk or not begins to matter less and less. I don't care how drunk I was, I'd never mistake anything else for a guy grabbing his wife by the hair and punching her. Wife-beatings are pretty easy to spot, really, when you see them happen right in front of you.
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XinophDraft Pick
1251 days ago
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should be "like many Boston fans" there; obviously a lot of baseball fans watch NL games.
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Ron Sen, MDRed-Shirting
1253 days ago
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The whole dynamic of spouse abuse is complex. The abused spouse often has insecurity (often financial - no application here) and rationalizes why it was THEIR fault. If Myers hit his wife, who actually believes this was the first time. And if someone called 911, it wasn't likely random and they probably didn't have a clue that he was a 'celebrity'.

If he thinks that the Boston fans were tough on him, wait'll he gets home to Philly. The guy isn't exactly Rocky Balboa.

His greatest punishment could come from a divorce court where he loses his family, his family, and most of his money.
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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Unfortunately, if she was dumb enough to bail him out of jail, she's probably not smart enough to divorce him. Sad but true.
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ASwaffAll-American
1253 days ago
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Why do you say everybody knows? All I see here is passing judgement on something you don't know. You weren't there, and we haven't heard the evidence yet. You just hear his wife accused him, and assume that means he did. Furthermore, you assume it wasn't the first and only time, if that's actually what happens. That's not a logical assumption at all. All behavior has to start somewhere. Who the heck are you to say this wasn't the first and only time?


Furthermore, Xinoph, this isn't necessarily a matter being smart versus not being smart. To boil down the complexity of relationships, especially abusive relationships, to something that simple does not do the sitation justice.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1253 days ago
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Read the article, ASwaff. His wife didn't accuse him; onlookers called 911 and he was arrested at the scene. Police took her statement and she told them what happened. And do keep in mind this all happened on a street corner, in front of a bar. A half-dozen random onlookers all agreed on what happened, a mixture of strangers and friends of the couple's. The trial will last about ten minutes. Furthermore, this isn't necessarily a complex matter just because you think it so. Are you arguing that it's a wise course of action to bail someone out of jail who attacked you? Of course not. You're wrong, it's not complex, and her behavior in this situation is stupid. Someone beats you, they're a bad guy, you don't help to get them out of jail. It's really quite simple.
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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That was me, above, I got logged out. :)
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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When it comes to violating the law, leagues do need to let the justice system play it role. However, uncontrolable and sudden rage...A sign of steroid withdrawl?
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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No, they don't. Find me where it says that. MLB can punish him before the trial if they so desire. You think that; it doesn't automatically make it so.
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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Besides, they wouldn't be punishing him for violating the law, they'd be punishing him for making MLB look bad - a much different motivation. And, the Phillies can, and should have, punished him. As Shaughnessey (one of my least favorite columnists) said in the Globe today, the Phils shouldn't have let him start yesterday.
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Ron Sen, MDRed-Shirting
1253 days ago
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Imagine that somebody had a videocam of a beating, a Rodney King version of Myers alleged spouse abuse. Would that make it somehow more believeable? Our 'lying eyes' versus the integrity of a professional athlete.


Remember the book Pros and Cons a researched study that showed that 22% of NFL players were either accused or convicted of felonies?
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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Myers has no integrity to fall back on. Get real. You know he's guilty, give me a break. Where did her bruises show up from? The tooth fairy? Fall back to reality.
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ASwaffAll-American
1253 days ago
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Would a video make it more believable than mere assumption, which is what you're basing your conclusion on? Why, yes, it would. For an MD, you come to some awfully illogical, and dare I say stupid, conclusions.
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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I'm not assuming anything, ASwaff. Try again.
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ASwaffAll-American
1253 days ago
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By saying he's guilty, you absolutely are assuming. Were you there? Did you see it? Have you seen and heard the evidence for both sides? Then you're assuming. There's not other way to look at it.
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XinophDraft Pick
1251 days ago
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Ahh, I get it, because I disagree with you I'm just assuming something. That makes perfect sense. Well argued. I'm not assuming anything; I'm making a logical conclusion based on the available evidence. You do know what logic is, right?
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ChristofMVP
1253 days ago
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MLB is dominated by the Players Union. Nothing will come from this. The Phils MAY trade Myers because of this, but it won't be until the offseason.
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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Sad but true. Too many big macho athletes don't care about women's rights (guys like Gabe Kapler being the exception) and too many executive care only about the bottom line, and not society at large.
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Ron Sen, MDRed-Shirting
1253 days ago
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Everybody knows Myers is guilty. We dance around it with 'alleged' and 'purported'. The reality is that he'll likely plead 'No contest' and get some community service and a wrist slap...I have no idea what sentencing guidelines are for felony assault and battery, but I'm sure that nothing approaching justice will happen. MLB can do their own investigation (outside the law) and apply their own 'best interest of baseball' clause to give Myers some wallet slap and suspension. Of course you're correct that the 'union' will protect their brother.
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LPAnderson
1253 days ago
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his teammates must know what he's done. his employeer too. that he's left untouched while ozzie guillen is called a thug for some words... it all makes me a little sick to my stomach.


if, as ron sen said (very well, i might add but for some reason i can't add a score), if it's determined he's guilty, the MLB should suspend him. period.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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But here is the thing you are all missing. Myers is accused of committing a crime. The legal system can play its role, and following that major league baseball can take action. Brett Myers shouldn't be punished MORE because he is a professional baseball player. Does Joe Smith at the auto mechanics get fired from his job if he is arrested for spousal abuse? I do not condone spousal abuse or any other kind of abuse in the slightest, but Major League baseball has no business getting involved until after the legal system has its say. What difference does it make whether major league baseball suspends him now or after the legal system has played its course? This is especially true if, as you say, the trial will be quick. If the trial will be quick, why would MLB get involved before it has run its course?
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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Why shouldn't he be punished MORE? He's someone kids look up to as a role model. Shouldn't we hold leaders....whether in politics, private industry, or athletics....to a higher standard? Or are we so bent out of shape over equality that everyone must be treated equally regardless of circumstances? That makes little sense.
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ASwaffAll-American
1253 days ago
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To be fair, he hasn't been convicted yet. It's common practice in the MLB to wait until someone is found guilty in a circumstance like this to wait until the facts come out. You can't suspend people because of what someone accuses them of doing. That's why they have steroid hearings, instead of suspending people based on Grimsley's accusations. It's entirely different from what happened with Guillen, where baseball has a rule that was very clearly broken on the field. Their course of action for off-the-field incidents is very different from their action for on-field incidents. I don't fault them for not suspending him yet, as he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet. Wait until the court passes its judgement on Myers to pass judgement on MLB's actions concerning Myers.
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XinophDraft Pick
1253 days ago
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Really, ASwaff? Where, in MLB regulations or US law, is it written that you can't suspend someone based on accusations? Find it for me in black and white, then I'll agree. Until then it's just your opinion and doesn't have a lot of weight with me
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ASwaffAll-American
1253 days ago
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I never said it was a rule or a law, I just said that it was common practice (read above, those were my exact words) that they wait until guilt is proven. Can you show me an example of someone being suspended by Major League Baseball for accusation of off-the-field misconduct? Because until you can, your opinion doesn't carry a lot of weight with me.
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ASwaffAll-American
1253 days ago
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By the way, for clarification, when I said you "can't" suspend people based on accusations, I didn't mean that there is some binding rule. I meant that it's impractical. For example, Erik Williams and Michael Irvin were accused by a woman of rape. The charge eventually turned out to be completely false, but because of Irvin's criminal past, many presumed (as you do with Myers) that he is guilty. If they had been suspended by the NFL for that accusation (or merely being in the "situation" to have that accusation made, as some have argued here), the suspension would have been totally unfair and it would have been time they could never get back. I'm not saying Myers is innocent, I'm just saying we ought not to be so quick to dole out judgement, and we need not presume that no punishment will be forthcoming against Myers. With Guillen, we had him on tape, so the punishment was a lot easier to make. This case is not clean as that one.
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XinophDraft Pick
1251 days ago
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Boston suspended a pitcher back in the 80's the day after he was arrested in a similar situation, and blocked his next start....can't recall the name at the moment, but it'll come to me. That's what the Phillies should have done.
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XinophDraft Pick
1251 days ago
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Why is it impractical? You've given no actual argument yet that makes sense in that direction. What, just because you dislike it it's impractical?
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XinophDraft Pick
1251 days ago
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Did either of them rape her on a city sidewalk in front of a half-dozen witnesses, ASwaff? Of course not. The situation isn't comparable in the slightest.
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LPAnderson
1253 days ago
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it's legal to use the word "fag," for example, but MLB has decided it's a punishable offense. it's legal to use ritalin but MBL has decided to suspend people who do.

MLB rules may intersect with US jurisprudence but they are not subordinate to it.

which is to say, legal technicalities should not drive a decision like this for the MLB. if facts are available that make it clear he's guilty (and from all accounts the facts are overwhelming), inaction by the MLB would be unconscionable.
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ASwaffAll-American
1253 days ago
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I'm not saying that their rules are subordinate to it. I'm just saying that they have been consistent on not suspending people who have only been accused of off-the-field misconduct. Something has to be proven first. That's been their practice. If you think it should change, that's an argument different from the one I'm presenting. I'm just saying that I don't think they're being inconsistent on this, and I think that the attempt to compare it to Guillen's misconduct is a complete non-sequiter.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
1252 days ago
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And I am going to raise another unpopular issue. Brett Myers is not the first baseball player to be accussed of spousal abuse. Why is it that Brett Myers should get additional punishment from MLB where other people have not? Athletes are NOT role models, nor should they be. If your kid is looking up to someone because they throw a baseball really hard, that is your fault, not his. I hope that IF Brett Myers is found guilty than the legal system enact the harshest punishment allowable under the law. I don't think that is MLB place. This is different than Ozzie Guillen or Latrell Sprewell or Ron Artest whose actions were directly related to the game itself. In that instance leagues absolutely should punish their players. But when an athelete, on his own time, commits a completely private crime, I don't see why the league has to get involved.
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ASwaffAll-American
1252 days ago
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I have to disagree, MJD. Athletes aren't role models, but they should be. They should be people that kids can look up to. I'm not saying that they should be their PRIMARY role model, but kids always have looked up to athletes, and they always will. Athletes should recognize that, and act accordingly. Kids look up to them. They should be able to respect them, too. Again, not saying they should be the primary role model, but they should be role models, none the less.
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LPAnderson
1252 days ago
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understand your feeling, awaff, tha gillen's mention is a non sequitor. but i disagree. just trying to make the point the MLB rules exist separate from the justice system and as such, they can act on evidence independently and preemptively.

now, mjd, i think you make an interesting point: should professional sports be involved in any issues with players that do not directly affect the playing of the sport? my emotions say yes; had oj simpson still been playing i sure wouldn't have wanted to see him back on the field; but thinking about it logically, i'm hard pressed to argue with you.

hey, i could be a politican! i just flip flopped.  :)
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XinophDraft Pick
1251 days ago
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Excellent point, LPA. MLB can do basically whatever they want as long as it falls within the realm of the CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) they have with the MLBPA, and if the player is non-union, they can do whatever they wish, essentially. As long as it doesn't directly contradict federal or state law - and it doesn't - the team or the league can suspend someone for being accused, if they so desire.
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