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Most Valuable Player: Stats or Intangibles

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by user Timothy Moreland(Bball3345)

Every year, an argument carries on between how exactly to define "most valuable player." Should this person come from a winning team? Should we look at where there team should be without them?

Lets take the argument, where would the team be without them? Well, I can guarantee you the Twins wouldn't be sniffing the playoffs without Santana. The Cardinals would be probably be headed home early if Pujols missed the season. However, the Dodgers probably would not be on top of the division without Furcal or Penny. Oakland would be dead without Frank Thomas or Barry Zito. All of these players, and many more were crucial for their team's success.

On a similar note, the White Sox will probably miss the playoffs, even with Dye. The Phillies are miles behind the Mets, in spite of Howard's 60+ HR pace. Cleveland has been eliminated for months with the best hitter in the AL on the roster.

Should Howard's value be lessened because the Philadelphia front office did not surround him with a World-Series caliber team? Was it David Ortiz's fault the Sox rotation fell apart? Since when was the award called Most Valuable Player from a Borderline Playoff Team, but not a Star-Studded Franchise Award. Jeter, and Yankees in the past, are not awarded the MVP because they have such a strong supporting cast.

To me, "value" means "wins added to the team." These are wins regardless of team performance. If Pujols is worth 11 wins to his team and Howard 9, then it doesn't matter to me whose team played better than whose. I prefer to think of most valuable player as, "who would I take first if I were starting a team from scratch, and they were guaranteed to put up the same numbers as the year in question." In my opinion, I would start off my AL squad with 2006's version of Jeter and 2006's version of Pujols for the NL.

The MVP should go to the best overall player, placed in a neutral context. They were in fact the "most valuable." They added the most wins to the team, be it an improvement from 60 to 70 team wins, 90 to 100, or 100 to 115.


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Date

Fri 09/15/06, 7:10 am EST


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Bball3345Draft Pick
1174 days ago
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There Manny, no stats and no cute charts.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1174 days ago
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Baseball is played on grass and dirt, not a calculator. Win shares, runs created, team wins, whatever you want to quantify doesn't mean squat compared to O!F Just like you can walk through a parking lot and spot the 'Most Valuable' car there, you should be able to say without looking at sticker prices (stats), "that guy was this year's Most Valuable Player"
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1174 days ago
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+ and Don't write for me, write for YOU! (You do good work, you'll figure it out eventually)
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Bball3345Draft Pick
1174 days ago
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i hope so ;)
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1174 days ago
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Just so you know: At this point in the season, I have Santana (over Ortiz - you can't take away what he did all season) and Howard (by a thick, curly hair over Beltran) as MVPs
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1174 days ago
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I don't think a team sport should have an MVP. It's all about a team performance, not an individual game. An MVT award is obvious - the team that wins, e.g. the Super Bowl, the World Series is the best. The MVP debate is good, though, as it gets people talking about the game of baseball, and it gives sports fans something to talk about. Since a vote decides it, one can use whatever they wish to base their opinion, and if statistics help you, then why not. I don't read too much into MVPs though.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1174 days ago
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N.B. I mainly don't read too much into MVPs because I have limited knowledge on past MVPs... But even if I did, I wouldn't read too much into it. It's a team, not an individual game.
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DNLLegend
1173 days ago
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Yeah, neutral is where it's at.
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Jgov05All-American
1173 days ago
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I just don't think Jeter added that many wins to the Yanks. They have A-Rod, Giambi, Cano, and Damon in the lineup, which has produced the most runs in baseball. Can a player really be singled out from the team that has scored the most runs, and has the highest OPS and slugging? I don't think so.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1173 days ago
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Jeter is awesome! When he gets done being felated from all the voters, they'll split the #1 votes and all give Jeter the second place votes.
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Cwilliams
1173 days ago
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excellent point
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Cwilliams
1173 days ago
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ok guys lets be real about this. im a yankees fan but i can tell u this for as great of A PLAYER JETER is the yanks could very well be at the same point as they are now or close to it with out him because of the tremendous job b cashman has done, but if u take ortiz out of that lineup in boston they would'nt even be 11and a half out it would be alot worse
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Bball3345Draft Pick
1172 days ago
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Who replaces Jeter in the lineup?
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Bball3345Draft Pick
1172 days ago
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So Ortiz is more valuable for "keeping his team in it" at ELEVEN GAMES OUT! This is unusual reasoning.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1172 days ago
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Ortiz ended a lot of games ALL BY HIMSELF...games that otherwise could have been losses... if he doesn't personally wins 5 games, they're 21 back instead of 11...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1172 days ago
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of course, if he wins 5 in a row a couple weeks back against the Yanks... Red Sox are in first...
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1165 days ago
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Of course everyone ignores the AL's "under-the-radar" MVP -- Justin Morneau of the Twins. Probably enough people will vote for a pitcher (Santana)to cost Morneau the MVP.

In the NL, I've got to go with Ryan Howard.

- John Merz
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