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Milwaukee: Supposedly the Most Undesirable Place to Play Pro Sports

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by user Coreyisarealboy

First, Gary Sheffield, after being drafted with the No. 6 pick of the 1986 Draft, tanks his first four years in the Majors as a Milwaukee Brewer, hitting .259 with 21 home runs and 133 RBIs during his tenure, only to bat .330 with 33 homers and 100 RBIs, receiving his first Silver Slugger, an All-Star bid and two first place votes for the 1992 National League MVP in his first season away from Milwaukee.

Then came Dirk Nowitzki, whose refusal to play in Milwaukee forced the Bucks to trade away his rights in the 1998 Draft for Robert Traylor.

Fans will make Yi feel welcome in Milwaukee
Fans will make Yi feel welcome in Milwaukee

And, though there are probably plenty more, then came along Yi Jianlian, the seven-foot Chinese phenom who would not even participate in a workout for the Bucks.

So, I ask, why is Milwaukee so undesirable to play in?

Sure, it's cold in the winter, it's bloody friggin' muggy in the summer and the few feet of snow the city and surrounding areas receive in the winter make for some interesting driving conditions.

Sure, the night scene isn't quite Miami or Los Angeles, it was best known in the 90's as the home of a serial killer and the people there are generally viewed as being fat, drunk hicks.

Sure, the state that Milwaukee calls its home was the place Bartleby and Loki were sent to instead of Hell in the movie Dogma. (--"They were sent to Hell?" --"Worse...Wisconsin.")

But Milwaukee is far more appealing than most think. They just never gave it a chance.

Despite being called a small market, Milwaukee is home to nearly 600,000 people, good enough to rank 19th in the United States. Milwaukee County and the five counties surrounding it are home to over 1.7 million potential sports fans.

Yes, that's 1.7 million people dying for their teams to finally bring in someone the population of Wisconsin can idolize. Look at how the area has reacted to the Brewers this year. I'm not a fan of ballot stuffing for the All-Star game by the big markets or the popularity contest it has become, but one Brewer fan said he filled out and handed in 10,000 ballots with chads of Fielder, Hardy and Estrada punched.

The fact that names like Estrada, Weeks and Jenkins are even amongst the leading vote getters at their position is a testament to the amount of support the city and the teams' fans have given.

So, Yi doesn't want to play in Milwaukee? Why? This could be a match made in heaven. Think of how many Yi jerseys will be sold to Bucks fans. Look at what Yao did to Houston. This is a team, despite its obvious amount of talent in Andrew Bogut and Michael Redd, in need of a savior. They stunk last year.

The pick itself may have been a head-scratcher for many. A team with two young big men cemented in the starting lineup picking up another seven-footer, one who wouldn't even workout for the team, no less. But it makes sense to me.

But the Bucks can't stop here. They need to make a run at Chauncey Billups, and I don't care how much money they offer him. With immediate success, Yi almost undoubtedly will begin to feel at home in Milwaukee. Wisconsin fans can make anyone feel at home with a little loyalty.

Maybe GM Larry Harris can pull some strings and arrange a dinner for Yi and Robin Yount and Brett Favre. Or maybe even Redd will do. After all, he turned down a chance to play for his home state Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron James to stay in Milwaukee for another six years.

Something can be said about money, sure, but something can also be said for those You-scratch-our-backs-we'll-scratch-yours times. Wisconsinites certainly do have the itch.


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RomiezzoLegend
884 days ago
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He's thinks Wisconsin isn't a state that has a real NBA team, that's all.
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RomiezzoLegend
884 days ago
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It is such BS that he won't even workout with the Bucks. Just cuz you got drafted doesn't mean that you're amazing yet. You still gotta work hard. That's why I like Kevin Durant. He's a diligent workhorse and his favorite quote is: "Hard work is better then talent if talent doesnt work hard." That is the kind of guy that I or anyone else would like on their team. I kinda figured that Yi would have that sorta attitude, which is why I wouldn't pick in the draft unless it was in the lower teens or 20s...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
884 days ago
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The most undesirable professional sports location has got to be Minnesota.
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CWY2190Waterboy
883 days ago
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Why? Sure the Dome sucks but Minnesota as a whole is constantly rated as one of the top 3 states to live in.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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Blame the comment on Cabbage Patch Kid.
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False ProphetAll-Star
882 days ago
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CPK is a wanna-be Minnesotan, not a real minnesotan
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DNLLegend
883 days ago
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The Bucks drafted Yi to flip him, and they knew they were going to flip him when they drafted him. Send him to Philly for Andre Miller and a draft pick, or something like that. That'd be a decent team, with Miller distributing to Bogut and Redd (and maybe Villanueva), and can be competitive in the East.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Early reports are saying the Bucks brass is saying they're planning on starting Yi over Villanueva. I don't really know if they will trade Yi.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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report from the Journal-Sentinel
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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Whoops, Here it is.
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ChristofMVP
883 days ago
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Didn't the Packers fail to overcome the Cowboys in the playoffs during the early 90s, while they still played some games in Milwaukee? Maybe there is a Laverne and Shirley Curse?
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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I saw an interview are the draft that Yi is claiming he never said he won't play for Milwaukee. Either way I doubt they drafted him planning on trading him considering how the whole Tractor Trailer thing worked out for them.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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He actually said that on ESPN DraftCast. I was actually watching it and it was during his chat with the fans that he said that he never said he wouldn't play for them.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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he's coming to sing "We're gonna do it!" at the beer factory when Laverne and Shirley get off work... "Sclemiel, Schamazel, Hossenfeffer Incorporated!!!"
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EkomVarsity
883 days ago
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How is Milwaukee SO much worse than Chicago? They're practically right next to each other... Ooooooh! NOW I understand!
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The BeastAAA-er
883 days ago
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Milwaukee is just north of Chicago. Whether and geography are all similar. However, here is the differemce, diversity. Milwaukee is mostly all-white. The food is all typical Midwestern, meat and sausage. No mix of Asian, Hispanic, or Arabic, in Milwaukee. Chicago has more of that, so it appears more attractive.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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You make Milwaukee sound like ArmchairGM to us African Americans.
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The BeastAAA-er
883 days ago
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Its weather, not whether! Shoot! &#&*$*####&$*#^#
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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Any progress there Beast with our favorite high school pole vaulter?
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The BeastAAA-er
883 days ago
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None, and get a life moron!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
883 days ago
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Well, at least you are working hard on your spelling skills but it is those social aspects rather that are gonna help you get laid later in life.
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KelsdadAll-Star
883 days ago
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I'm going to be in Milwaukee in August, Beast. Can you recommend a restaurant for me? Preferably near Miller Park.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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There's a Fridays in Miller Park that has some pretty good food. There's not a whole lot near the ballpark despite being located in the city. It's centralized near an industrial area and a zoo in Milwaukee. There are a lot of restaurants on Highway 100 just west of the stadium. I've heard a lot of about this pizza joint called Eduardo's on Highway 100, just north of I-94; however, my favorite pizza place in Milwaukee is the Pizza Shuttle, but that's on the North side of the city near the UW-Milwaukee campus. You could always hit up Qdoba, that's always a winner, and there's one damn near every block in Milwaukee.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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What brings you to Milwaukee, by the way? Are you going to a game?
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TyduffyRed-Shirting
883 days ago
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I think that the reason Yi didn't want to play in Milwaukee was the lack of a substantial Asian community in the city, which, though not handled well, is understandable.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Uh, but isn't that attitude by this athlete RACIST?
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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It's not racist at all. He simply wants to be in a place that will ease the transition to the US. Seriously, Tyrone, it isn't always about racism.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Not wanting to play in front of non-Asians is CLEARLY RACIST. Transition? What the hell are YOU talking about? This guy is from China and wants to earn a living in the US. Milwaukee selected him. Big deal. He doesn't like it? Tough. Go back to China.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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Easy, there, Mr. Capital Letters. He isn't opposed to playing in front of non-Asians. This isn't about what happens on the court. This is about the rest of the day: having people to talk to as he learns a new language, finding out where the grocery store and movie theatre are, and generally being around people who understand.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Its called integration and he damn well needs to learn these skills. Big fucking deal. This guy wants to play in the NBA but states he won't play in MIlwaukee. Too bad. Again - segregative arguments ain't cutting here in 2007.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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He will learn those skills, at a pace comfortable to him. It's not like he's the first athlete to do this, or the first time a team has done this, for that matter. Why do you have so much venom for Yi?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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This guy is not above the NBA.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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Who said he is above the NBA? It is in the NBA's and his team's interest that he is comfortable and is able to aclimate as smoothly as possible. Dallas did it with Dirk, Houston did it with Yao, San Antonio and Sacramento have done it repeatedly...
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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It's the Chinese contingency that wants him to play in a big market. The chinese government taxes their rich and famous heavily. They want to tax a guy that will bring in various revenue streams. Obviously those streams run deeper and faster in cities with heavy Asian influence... derr...

Hey, Tee B why is it every time you scream "bigotry", it's about money and every time you scream "it's about money", it's usually bigotry?

Maybe you should try not blaming everyone for something sometime! OR go fix the World's problems and stop telling us how to, Mr. GotalltheAnswers?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Kombol - this kid himself has said he won't play in Milwaukee.
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YanksAgainIn07Soccer Kid
883 days ago
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...Fuck him, your getting drafted to be paid to play the sport you love...No matter the team thats willing to give you that chance you fucking sign, with a big shit eating grin to...how many guys would take his place and b willing to pay to play rather then the other way around, millions!..Im sure Yi is going to b more then servicable to what ever team he eventually plays for..but the bottom line is HE HASNT EARNED SHIT YET, sign with the bucks and earn your right to b play for whatever team you choose via free agency!
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
883 days ago
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This was a more blunt way of saying what I said in the article. Milwaukee is estimated as having 27,500 Asian-Americans in it I believe, which apparently is not a lot, but I don't think Yi is going to need a high population of Asian-Americans to be adored by Bucks fans. If he swallows his pride and does his best on the court, he'll be appreciated by the city and hopefully he'll learn to love it, just like a lot of other pro athletes have done.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Perhaps this idiot would prefer to play in his home country where despondents are publically run over by tanks?
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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It's not about being loved by the community. Flip the situation: if you were moving to China because of your job, and if you had the ability to live near other American expats who could help settle in, wouldn't you do it?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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You are arguing a pro-segregation position. Gee whiz, poor guy is going to earn millions in Milwaukee. Tough crap. If Jackie Robinson can overcome the adversity of crossing the color line in baseball, then surely this Chinese guy can survive in Milwaukee.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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And yeah hells bells that I cannot possibly relate to being a minority every day in my life.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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It's not segregation if he chooses to be around those like him.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Actually, that is very definition of segregation. This ain't China. This is the US. And it is up to him to jump in to the multi-cultural cauldron of American life or stay home where everyone looks, talks and thinks the same as mandated by communist control.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Maybe you should travel away from the Chicago "area" and see the rest of the world sometime, Tee B.

There are more Chinese Basketball Players (350 million) than there are AMERICANS (almost 300 million total = men, women and children).

Your comments on segregation make you sound foolish (more so). Or do we have different bathrooms and water fountains for chinese dudes?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Refusing to play in Milwaukee based upon an argument of "not enough Asians" is pro-segregation.
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CWY2190Waterboy
883 days ago
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If they paid me 15 million and they told me to play in Siberia, I would be on the next plane to Russia.
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The BeastAAA-er
882 days ago
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Give me a third of that and I'll be on the seat next to you!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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A non-American is bitching about WHERE he is going to earn a living as a professional athlete based upon WHO is watching him play? That is ridiculous and blatantly RACIST. Enjoy commie China you stupid bastard (where everyone looks and acts the same).
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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How are you not working for CNN as a global correspondent? You know how EVERYTHING actually is!!! I just always assumed it was impossible to know the whole story without participating in it... But you proved me wrong. Now I know what it's like in China and I DON'T have to go there myself (or know anyone from there!)!!!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Nobody is stopping you from living in Red China. Go. Enjoy suppression.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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I know it is a minor point, but Dirk didn't force the trade from the Bucks. That was a prearranged deal orchestrated by Don Nelson. Speaking of Nelson, don't be surprised if Yi is dealt to Nelson in Golden State eventually. Nellie's got that foreign fascination, and San Fran meets Yi's needs.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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Any team with a checkbook will meet his needs. Do you think Andrew Bogut required a lot of Australians to be in Milwaukee before he arrived? If I hop a flight from Bangladesh tomorrow to play in the NBA, do you think I'm going to demand to be placed in city where there's a high population of Bangladeshians?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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This Chinese guy is CLEARLY prejudging Milwaukee without even giving this city a chance. At least give it a try before ranting and raving to be traded to NY or LA (don't be naive - this is all about playing in a larger market, nothing more).
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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Bogut is different and you know it. One: he went to university here (and I believe high school, but I could be wrong on that), so Milwaukee was not his first experience in America. Two: Australia to America is not a big leap. China is, because of language, political system, social dynamics...
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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And do you have any evidence of these allegations of ranting and raving, Mr. Capital Letters?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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He stated he won't play in Milwaukee. What more do you need?
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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Ranting and raving?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Read and educate yourself before you yap:http://www.m...id/19534023/
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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OK, I'm back from my education (didn't learn anything I didn't already know, by the way) and am ready to 'yap':

Didn't see any evidence of 'ranting' or 'raving' in the link you provided. In fact, most of the comments were from his agents and reps, not Yi himself.

Also, your bullying tactics (you know, the name calling and the condescending attitude) are really unnecessary. Not to mention, they don't work.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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"Yap" really that offenseive around? Give me a break. The NBA needs to back Milwaukee on this selection and this Chinese kid should be happy to be drafted and have an opportunity to earn millions of dollars whether in Milwaukee or NY or wherever.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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I didn't say it was offensive, I said it was unnecessary and condescending. Along with 'kid'. Is it that difficult for you to be respectful?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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All I said was "yap". Anything else you perceived negative directly towards you is simply imaginary.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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just like any respect you'll ever get from The Last Word - imaginary You get what you give, pal... you get what you give!
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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Condescending.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Kinda, Taytay... He's more descending (like a descending colon) than condescending... you have to have dignity before you can look down your dignity at others...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Condescending? Matter of opinion.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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Can I just state for the record that I didn't intend this article to light a racial firestorm here on ArmchairGM?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Of course you didn't. And there is nothing wrong with discussing this subject in an open forum.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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Right, but I don't know if it's necessarily a racial thing, although you're definitely right on the fact that he's prejudging the city before giving it a chance.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Sure it is. The guy is pissed that he is playing in a town with not enough Asians. That is racist and discriminatory.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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A black athlete would be vilified if he came stated that he won't play in a community "full of white people". It is stupid and wrong.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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Not an equivalent scenario. Yi's situation is not about racism or hate, it is about being part of a community within the city that understands, supports and aides him in his transition to a new city. That is light years away from a 'black athlete not wanting to play in a community full of white people.'
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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His case has everything to do with prejudging a city based upon its racial demographics. The Chinese government does not dictate where its citizens play in the NBA. Yi and his entourage don't like Milwaukee? Then don't play in the NBA. Don't be naive kid. Wake up and look at reality now and then.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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I gotta take Tyrone's side on this one (gasp). I read somewhere that said there are 27,000 Asian-American's in the city of Milwaukee. Do you really think he's even going to meet all of them, especially considering the celebrity status he'll have if he's any good? So what does it matter between 27,000 and 1 million?
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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What's the difference between 290 million (USA) and 1.3 BILLION people (China)??? KEEP things in persepective from their view too, not just yours...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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If Yao refused to report to Houston, this Taytay guy would have been just as pissed.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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Population ratios aside, it doesn't matter what perspective you take, it is damn near impossible to recognize 27,000 people by name and face.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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I'm not pissed about anything. You're the one spouting anger. What would I have to be pissed about?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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This is not China. This is the US. It is up to this kid to try and make this work. Not the other way around.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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If being angry is arguing against segregationist views, then yes I suppose I'm "angry".
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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Again, it is in the team's interest that he is comfortable.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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It's foolish to think that the Bucks can't make him just as comfortable in the NBA than he would have been with any other team.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Tee B's just angry that he doesn't have enough to be angry about... Take out "against segregationist views" out of your sentence and it tells the WHOLE truth...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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And there lies our dispute. No player is ABOVE the team. Ever. And why assume that the Bucks and the Milwaukee community would not bend over backwards to make this guy comfortable? This worked well in Houston with Yao. Not enough Chinese people in MIlwaukee? Tough shit. Not a large enough market share for the Chinese Government? Too bad.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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So who the hell are you supposed to be today Kombol, ruler of China?
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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I am a resident of this realm and this planet, not a close-minded American.

Since I didn't get to choose where I was born, what I look like or ANY of my inborn features, I don't hold that against other people either...

You are a PART of the world, a very, very insignificant, easily forgotten piece. The world does not revolve around you.

You spend ALL of your energy drawing lines between your "Right" and "Wrong" - enjoy your dualism, fool. Right and Wrong, Good and Bad, more and less, left and right, up anmd down are things that are user defined. They are right and wrong compared to YOU, but YOU are not everything. Things just ARE, until someone calls them right or wrong. And calling them right and wrong makes them neither, they just are...

And yeah, I have studied Chinese culture and philosophy for years. Big fan of the Tao and would like to visit China one day...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Please stay there.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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You know, the problem with any writer, especially of the "realm" of sports journalism, is that he/she will always think he/she is right, that's what they are paid for, so who is going to admit that he/she is wrong?
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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yeah, keep me far away! Because you don't want a "white guy" clouding up your misperceptions, eh? I might offer reason and understanding to people instead of JUST TELLING THEM HOW IT IS IN ALL CAPS (capitalization means your MORE RIGHT!!!)

Segregate ALL people that Tee B doesn't like...(and that's a LOT of people) THEN the world will be PERFECT!

Seriously, WHAT will you ever accomplish with your hate? You ain't gonna get Jay Mariotti fired here at ACGM! Your Mom should have hugged you more...
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Naw, you wrote this article without saying anyone was wrong or right - you offered the material, even took a stance, but you never had to declare moral superiority on anyone, well done.

Right and Wrong/Good and Bad is an illusion.

Example - There is a Chinese story of a farmer who used an old horse to till his fields. One day, the horse escaped into the hills and when the farmer's neighbors sympathized with the old man over his bad luck, the farmer replied, "Bad? Good? Who knows?"

A week later, the horse returned with a herd of wild horses from the hills and this time the neighbors congratulated the farmer on his good fortune. His reply was, "Good? Bad? Who knows?"

Then, when the farmer's son was attempting to tame one of the wild horses, he fell off its back and broke his leg. Everyone thought this very bad. Not the farmer, whose only reaction was, "Bad? Good? Who knows?"

Some weeks later, the army marched into the village and conscripted every able-bodied youth they found there. When they saw the farmer's son with his broken leg, they let him off. Now was that good or bad?

And it goes on and on and on, everyday, everywhere...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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And your mom should have aborted you.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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such kind words - you just REALLY wish I didn't exist? What would you do all day?

Funny story, well, not so much funny as tragic - my Mom gave birth to still-born twin girls a year before me and had a second trimester miscarriage with a boy a year after me.

Here's something else for you to chew on: I was probably concieved on almost the same day as Roe vs Wade decision was handed down...

I was meant to be, emepher!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Kombol, you are SO full of shit. Always with the tragic story to garner the sympathetic opinion around here.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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No, being angry is commenting about 'stupid bastards' from 'communist China'. Not very integrationist of you.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Defending the communists now, are we? JFC...
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Tee B also never reads what he writes, he just pulls out the flip-flops when ever it suits him best...
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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I'm not defending their politics, but they are people, too, you know.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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I was referring to the Chinese freedom robbing government not its citizenry. But yes, I am critical of Yi should he ultimately refuse to play basketball in Milwaukee without first trying. Fair enough?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Kombol, what the hell have you contributed to this discussion other than attacking me? What flip-flop?
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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Actually, 'stupid bastard' is what you called Yi.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Prejudging Milwaukee and expressing that he won't play there? Considering his options of living in China for the rest of his life? Yeah, in my books that makes him a stupid bastard but he could change.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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No offense to Corey or any other residents, but I wouldn't be too wild about living there, either. Does that make me a stupid bastard?
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Having a "debate" with The Last Word definitely puts you inconsideration - (speaking from personal experience)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Compared to China? Absolutely.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Oh, I mean... Good Comeback!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Yeah, I happen to be a proud American flag waving citizen who appreciates the freedoms offered by this country. You on the other hand seem to cherish the ideologies of communist regime. If you love it so much, go live there. See what they do to lazy asses that don't work.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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As for the question of being in a big market or small market, the Chinese basketball fans that are going to buy his jersey are going to buy his jersey no matter what team he is on. It's not as if they're going to say, "Oh, he's on the Bucks, so maybe I won't support him anymore. But if he had been a Laker, it'd be another story." The only difference with him being in Milwaukee is that there are less people in Milwaukee to buy his jersey than in other cities, but the Chinese government can't tax the stuff bought here anyways so it shouldn't matter to them or his representatives who drafted him.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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The games were going to be broadcast in China no matter what team he played for, the list goes on. Whether it's Milwaukee or Memphis, New York or L.A., the team he plays for and the NBA alike are going to accommodate every single one of his needs and wants as a player in the NBA, a citizen of China and a citizen of this country.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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This kid has a huge opportunity to put Milwaukee on the NBA map. This should be an exciting moment in his life. He is 19, going to be a millionaire, move to a country that offers freedom and pursue his dream of playing basketball in the NBA while adored by fans back at home and here in the US. Why not just give it a chance? If it doesn't work out, fine - go seek a trade. But at least try.
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False ProphetAll-Star
882 days ago
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It's his decision. Let him pay for it. They had ads for him treating him like a friggen superstar (a la Adam Morrison), and neither of them end up in a big market, and they're pissed because they just lost millions for doing nothing
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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they (Chinese contingent) SHOULD have let him work out for the Bucks behind closed doors and he should have played really bad in the tryout - that's how an American would handle the situation!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Why should the Chinese Government even be involved? Or are you now going to debate and defend the virtues of a communist regime?
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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This was never a political debate. It shouldn't make a difference whether they're communist, totalitarianist or anarchist, although then there would be no contingent.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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It does when ANY government (and don't get me wrong - all forms of government have done this) interferes in a sports matter. Yi is a Chinese political chess piece but for his own reasons, should give Milwaukee a chance before spouting off that he will never play there.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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OK, maybe you didn't know...He is a Chinese resident. Please do your research THEN pop off. That makes him property of China - didn't the Big Wang incident teach you anything?

But on top of that, he's a kid that's been living in L.A. for a while so he's using the government as leverage to do what he wants - he's like a kid of divorced parents playing each parent against each other to get what he wants... this IS America afterall... should he have the freedom to pursue his happiness? Of course, he will have legal bounds and league rules to play by, but they will settle this and it will all shake one way or another...

Ultimately WE only know what WE we told by people who wanted to tell US exactly what they did. Why do you care so much Tee-Ball?? You really should write an article about it since few of your comments had anything to do with this article!

Do you even like basketball Tee B?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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And you accept the very principle of a governent - ANY GOVERNMENT - having "property" issues over a human being? Wow.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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And don't slander my name you fucking asshole.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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It's not an issue of acceptance, it's an issue of reality. Agree or not, that is the way Chinese government works.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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If I am not mistaken, the NBA is played in the US (with 1 franchise in Canada) and NOT in China. This government has no business in these matters.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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It's libel if it's in writing, by the way.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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Correct. And if I am not mistaken, Yi is a Chinese citizen, living under a restrictive regime, subject to their laws, no matter where he may cash his paychecks.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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If Yi chooses. However once here, there is nothing to stop him from defecting and living his own life. Again, if that is what he wants.
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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But he's not here yet. Hence the government involvement.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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According to Kombol, he is living in LA?
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Tee Ball, this is what you said "And don't slander my name you fucking asshole."

That's the quote of the Year from you, Tee Bag!

You do realize that YOU, The Last Word said it... YOU, the guy who slandered my name AND my wife's name HOW MANY times? Let's go look through the deleted articles and see...

By the way, yes, calling me a "fucking asshole" (as true as it may be) is still slander, numbnuts...

Why don't you just face it. You are out of your league here... Just play nice and I won't have to constantly point out how much of a jackass you make of yourself!
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Taytay 24All-American
882 days ago
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He is currently here with the Chinese National Team and their government representatives. Has to play nice until the contracts are signed, then defection would be an option. But this won't happen. No reason to--he still lives the big life, and no one else from China has done it.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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No, what I stated was a matter of fact.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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eh, ...you have no proof. I'm very curious - What is your definition of "fact"?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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"Out of your league"? Compared to you? Never.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Ha! YOU showed me!!!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Utterly useless. You would support Hitler for the opportunity to argue against me.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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Well, if we only look at the positives: Hitler did do some good things (Volkswagon, Superhighways)

And you, well... Um... you spell my name right every time!

So yeah...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Spoken like a true redneck Neo-Nazi. How surprising...
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
882 days ago
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I understand that point, but we can leave it at that. I trust we can keep it separated and discuss this as a sports matter, not an exploration of Chinese government.
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EkomVarsity
882 days ago
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for REAL!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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The Chinese Government is attempting to sabotage Milwaukee's draft pick selection. This type of interference cannot be ignored and is vital towards full understanding a seeming two-fold problem to this story. A - The player doesn't want to report to Milwaukee because of cultural differences. B - Milwaukee is not a big enough market in the eyes of the Chinese Government.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
882 days ago
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Anytime Tyrone has a strong opinion about anything, EVEN WHEN HE'S RIGHT, Manny or Ekom or whoever is supposedly not commenting anymore has to argue a million different factors into the central point Tyrone makes. And people support him because Tyrone comes off too strong, angry or "disrespectful"

This is freaking hilarious. Everyone's so enamored with respecting other's feelings, embracing every point of view, being so accepting of every fucking thing. This is why Americans are seen as ignorant pussies by much of the world - because we're so afraid to even have an opinion, much less express it, for the fear of appearing "un-American" what a bunch of shit.

I'd rather be a pig living in shit, than a fucking sheep living in shit.

Manny would rather hover over shit like some sort of buddha and judge shit than get into the shit. What's wrong with being angry? What the fuck is wrong with seeing something as wrong? Get a haircut you hippie!

Clarence.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Erik Kombol - Jackass of all trades, Master of none. It is simply AMAZING how this guy who hides out in his house day in/day out has so many PERSONAL experiences regarding every single topic mentioned on this website.
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JuTMSY4Legend
882 days ago
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I don't like it for the same reasons as John Elway or Eli Manning...Play for who drafted you or don't play at all...ever...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
882 days ago
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Yeah but apparently your common sense on this matter seems to exempt Chinese imports according to more than a few of your peers here at ArmchairGM.
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YanksAgainIn07Soccer Kid
882 days ago
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Bottom line is that it was his decision to jump ship the NBA, if he was so concerned about playing in milwaukee he should have held out a year and hoped the bucks played there way out of a lottery pick..but of course he didnt because the idea of making millions wouldnt let him do it...what we've heard about Yi is that hes more americanized then Yao was when he came out, pulling something as selfish as this shows the example our home grown american athletes are setting..Yi sees our leagues stars trying to play GM, so he figures he may as well also...Elway won ppl back after a threatening to pursue baseball by showing the love and passion he had for the game, Eli's mediocrity hasnt let him get ppl on his side..Yi needs to sign and PLAY if he wants any chance of going Elways route...
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