Michael Irvin's hall of fame speech: The Youtube Video

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Thats a dirty and low blow there Just. If the Eagles didnt play in that shithole of a stadium Irvin would have had a few more years left in him.

Agreed, Vet stadium is pure crap of a stadium. Probably the worst in the league at that time.

Sherlock Holmes, all the videos are unavailable!

What little respect I had for Irvin was lost with This, This, This, his poor job on ESPN commentating/analyzing and his support for TO in such a way to continue to mess with the Eagles...

On top of that...he dives for the sidelines...white powder is white powder, i guess

Like i've said before...when he went crashing down on the painted turf...i didn't feel bad

Sorry SS, i meant its BS that its unavailable...

Thanks for telling me that. Since when are there good NFL analysts for ESPN anyways?

Irvin is the greatest WR next to Jerry Rice. And he was awesome on NFL Live not because of his opinion, but because he was so entertaining.

Now the NFL must get Art Monk in the HOF.

I'm sorry...i can't even respond to that...

Marvin Harrison has more receptions than Irvin...right now...

Irvin might be a top 20 (or even a top 10) but he's not number 2...not even close

That's only because of his career ending injury. Irvin had plenty of years left in him if it wasn't for that.

It's different because of the longevity of Irvin's career. Had he played a bit longer, maybe the consideration for top 5 would kick in.

Wow, we posted pretty much the same thing Insan.

Marvin Harrison has only played 8 years...Irvin played 12...what does longevity have to do with that?

That's only because of his career ending injury. Irvin had plenty of years left in him if it wasn't for that. That answer your question?

whoops, looking at stats from 2004...that'd be why it says 8... Harrison has 12 (just as many as Irvin) and has way more receptions now...

they played the same number of years...and Harrison (as an example) is already waaaaay better...

8 years? u mean 11?

Perhaps because Peyton Manning was with him for 8 years to help that catch total? Harrison is one of the greatest, but it also depends on the QB's you work with.

You're kidding me...right? Irvin never had a good QB, now did he?

check it Insan, I corrected myself...my fault

I'm saying Manning is better than Aikman.

ivrin - 750 receptions; harrison - 1022 receptions. the cowboys had arguably the greatest runningback in nfl history on the team. he ran the ball a lot. who does marvin harrison have?

Bingo, I'd say Harrison is a bit better than Irvin, but Ju, saying Irvin is a top 20 or even a top 10 shouldn't even be a question.

How much better? Aikman is in the freakin' hall of fame, he couldn't be that much worse than Manning... Plus (and Insan, you'll like this) Aikman's a decent analyst...knows his stuff

aikman and manning aren't the key. the key is runningbacks. irvin didnt get the ball thrown to him as much as harrison does.

But he's with Joe Buck, which loses points for him on contact. Anyway, people forget that Aikman had his career done on an injury. Manning has got the records, passing yards and what not in a faster time than Aikman.

Emmitt Smith> Edgerrin James.

Not sure if we could get a thrown at stat...but...Harrison also has Wayne and the former Stokely around him...2 pretty good receivers in their own right...

Had Stokley, he got cut a while ago.

Harrison is definitely better than Irv. Irv is at least a top 15 receiver, but watching Harrison basically own the Pats all these years...it's insane some of the things that man can do in order to catch a football.

Garcia isn't half bad, but still, Drew Bledsoe?

Ju is upset because the Cowboys routinely kicked the crap out of Philly throughout the 90's.

exactly....

That's 2 beers I've gotten today.....and I'm not even old enough to drink (nor will I).

More of a symbol then.

eagles were 8-12 versus the cowboys in the 90s...4-2 under Ryan... Come on, Rich Kotite was the coach, what did you want?

How many playoff appearances and super bowls did the Eagles get in the 90's? How about the Cowboys?

I already pointed out rich kotite... but you said they routinely kicked the crap out of the eagles...that isn't true...

Oh, you've got to be KIDDING ME!! YOU should know that because he practically saved your season last time I checked. Bledsoe is the only person who could help pave the way for the backup to do better.

2 out of every 5 games what?

You said "the Cowboys routinely kicked the crap out of Philly throughout the 90's." and i showed you the stat proving that's not really true...hardly a routine...its the NFC east, that's the way it was...

More importantly...what's the cowboys record versus the eagles in the aughts?

and did you ever see Kotite coach?! Come on the ink smeared, what was he supposed to do?!

the aughts?

2000s

They got swept last year. Also, Donovan McNabb> Tony Romo, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testicleshrinkage combined.

no they didn't

and McNabb is better...

let's apply that to the 90s

Aikman > Cunningham, Peete, Hoying, Detmer(s)? - I'm fine with that

Unless you mean the eagles swept dallas, that's true

I was talking about the Cowboys, they got swept last year.

The Boys did get swept

The Eagles did the swept the prevoius year though... by bledsoe, so sad...

we were playing with spare parts...look at the whole decade...

spare parts? you had mcnabb in both games, westbrook in both games, and TO in one game.

But it's still bad if you get swept by Bledsoe.

Offensive line...totally ripped... And i'll tell you, that's the key to the whole game...

The cowboys have also lost to such great eagles QBs as Jeff Garcia and A.J. Feeley

But McNabb is quite mobile right??

jeff garcia > drew bledsoe

Mobility doesn't matter if your line can't stop guys from rushing... That was Bledsoe's problem in dallas...it didn't matter if he couldn't move or not, guys were coming fast

you think garcia is better than bledsoe...hmm...i don't know...really...

Guys could be coming at a snail pace and he still would've been sacked.

i disagree...bledsoe probably had the quickest release this side of dan the man...and that's how he was drafted 1 by the pats... poor cowboys fans...bledsoe was a decent QB...he's not awful...i mean...didn't the cowboys have Drew Henson and Ryan Leaf for periods?

Yes, quick release is good. Quick release while throwing to the wrong team, bad.

Yea, quick release, floating bomb to the sideline WR that ends up in the wrong arms. garcia is way better than bledsoe.

Look at his stats...he's 5th all time in completions (to his own team!) and 13th in TDs...he's not hall of famer...but he's pretty good...

That's because he throws the ball so many times!!

calm down with the Cunningham is Aikmen's equal... Aikmen is top 10 best QB's ever.

Cunningham was very good, but not better than Aikman.

I could give two shits what hall of fame Irvin is in...the only hall of fame i'd vote him in is the hall of shame...he's a bad person...i didn't cheer, i didn't boo...i didn't feel a damn thing...did he get what he deserved...i don't know...but did i mind never having to see him wave a first down...not in the least..."Good riddence" i think is what my dad said to me when it happened (we watched the game together)

You'll even note the reason why i don't like him...he's a bad person and he's never done anything for me to like him...I mean, i even said Aikman was a good commentator...because he is! and that has nothing to do with his former team...

Kotite was a terrible coach...he didn't know whether to go for 2 or not...because the card that told him got wet and the ink ran...that's pathetic...

and Cunningham was easily more physically talented than Aikman...physically talented...

Come on, that's insulting. He makes a speech like that, and you come up with that.

come up with what...my opinion...

Michael Irvin is a terrible person...that's a fact...he's done more damage to the world and the game than good...i never liked him, never will...

I had no emotion when his career ended, and no emotion when he was inducted into the hall

Sure the man has his faults, we all do. Besides, it's not like T.O isn't worse than Irvin. And he happened to play for the Eagles, and happens to play for Dallas.

1.5 season in Philly...and while he was here, TO never did cocaine

That's fine, but did Irvin ever get suspended for conduct detrimental to the team?

Jerry Jones wouldn't suspend people... Jeffrey Lurie would...and has

Jerry Jones hasn't won anything since 1996.

Ok?

T.O just overdosed a year ago right?

as a cowboy

The point I'm making is that Irvin is nowhere near the crap T.O is doing.

i disagree...we just live in an age where things are more...reported? TO's apparent suicide, or whatever you call it...was not a criminal act, nor did it, apparently happen...i really don't know what happened (nor do i care)...but things were not reported correctly, initially...and there was a ton of speculation...

So based on you 'opinion', Lawrence Taylor, the best LB to ever play the game, isn't worthy of the HoF because he did drugs? Are you kidding? If ANYTHING to have that kind of athletic ability while on Cocaine, amazes me because the effects of Cocaine on the human body is treemendous. I'm not saying it was good that he did it, but his PERSONAL LIFE should not have anything to do with how he performed on the field. You're being stupid about it. Irvin fucked up, he ADMITTED IT and does not do it. He atoned for his mistakes, he is a great player, great man and a great father/role model to his kids. He made mistakes, learned from them and will make sure his kids never do the same.

Get over it Ju, Irvin deserves this, and for you to say what you have said, is a low blow and makes me wish you weren't an Eagle fan.

And I never said Cunningham was better than Aikman, ALMOST his equal. Indeed Cunningham had much less tlaent than Aikman, who thrived have stars on his team, but that's not a valid argument. You work with what you are given, i.e Philip Rivers. BUt Cunningham's athletic ability was far better than Aikman's.

heh heh...you make me wish i wasn't and eagles fan either...

anyways...i never said irvin didn't deserve to be in the hall...i also never said LT did or didn't...

On top of that...care to give me any indications that Michael Irvin was a good person, father, role model?

So...if LT did coke...before a game...how did that only effect his personal life...it effected the game...so its not just his life anymore (perhaps joe theismann's as well?). also, what did they do to atone? seriously...

Did you not see the more recent article i cite about irvin...they found a crack pipe...jesus...

So if LT was ok for doing Coke, how do you feel about Barry Bonds?

Prove to me Bonds used something Illegal. Don't cite bullshit that wasn't deemed illegal before the new rules. Because they were legal at the time and Alot of player sused it.

I'm happy Bonds is breaking the record, until they prove he used roids, Go Bonds :]

Your basis for this whole fucking argument was coke. Coke destroys the body, that's their own fucking risk, let them do it. It has no effect on the game, they can still be stopped, they're still human, you act as if Coke is a superpower provider. Liek LT did coke adn because fucking Suerpman. Jesus, please stop posting your stupidity everywhere.

"Regardless, Ju, that's no way to talk about a HoF. That's a low blwo and it's fans liek you that give other fans a reason to be disgusted witht he rest of us. Think before you post please. "

Saying that was probably the worst thing you could have said...

As a fan of the game, i believe i'm actually entitled to think as a please...Michael Irvin or Donovan McNabb or Left Tackle number 87 who plays third string for the bills gets paid because of fans like me...and anyone who thinks otherwise...is wrong...its the fans game...no one elses...

Irvin sickens me as a person...and makes me miss jerry rice a little bit more every day...ever notice you never hear a ton about Rice or Brown or Harrison...and yet...

So you're ok with players using coke...you think this is fine...seriously? If a player is ok with the negative effect of cocaine use...you think its fine for them to do it?

Btw...the steroids used by many MLBers is illegal in the US...not baseball but in the country (which is an inherent problem)

Bonds used steroids

Ju, I don't think that he means that it's okay for them to use coke, but how could you possibly prove that Irvin was a terrible person?

see my comment way above...i'll cite some mroe later...i need to leave...

you can google the quotes for free i believe...i didn't even try to look it up... Bonds did steroids, there's little doubt in my mind...however, the extent to which other MLBers were on roids certainly makes it more problematic because hypothetically if all MLBers were on roids, then the issue becomes clouded

not that they all were...but i hope you can see my point...