McGwire Scammed

Couple of problems:

1) You're right, it does increase strength, but thats not the issue of contention...it increases longevity, meaning someone who may struggle to feel good throughout the entire season may feel normal throughout because of steroids

2) McGwire's numbers only make him a borderline HoFer...if you're contention is a shoe in, like Bonds (numberwise, bonds is a gimme), then i understand (maybe), but McGwire's numbers aren't nearly as good...

Mark McGwire doesn't want to talk about his past. Why should any of us bother as well?

Memo to McGwire from Jose "The Rat" Canseco:

McGwire was a career .263 hitter, and hit over .300 just once in a season where he played 125+ games and never won a MVP. As much as I dislike Bonds, he is a .298 career hitter, has ten .300 seasons, was more durable then McGwire, and has 7 MVP awards to his credit.

Do you want some cheese with then whine?

Silencer made some good points. .263 hitter, and NEVER won an MVP award, even though he hit 40 homers in 6 seasons. Along with that, he couldn't even collect 1500 hits in his career. How sad.

“Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire are accused of having done“. In this space age society, all we can do, is to let sports writers vote on who and who should not be in the HALL. Do they even know right from wrong? They’re laying waste to a mans career over, “Accusations and sloppy testimony”, where’s the JUSTICE.

McGwire's 9th all-time in slugging percentage and 11th in OPS. He was the best player in his league in 1998 and probably in 96 as well; he never won an MVP because 1)he played on bad teams those years, and 2)most voters were still looking primarily at BA back then, and his obviously wasn't very high. Offensively, he was one of the two or three best players of his era. If you want to say that he shouldn't be in the Hall because of steroids, I don't agree with you, but I can at least respect that. His numbers say he's a clear HOFer, though.

You notice how it's the controversial opinions that always hide behind an IP?

Elger1950

HALL OF SHAME Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa held the entire nation spellbound the summer of 98, with “THE RACE TO 61” they were the “ALL AMERICAN BOYS”, they could do nothing wrong. Then came Jose Canseco story about steroid usage in MLB. Now they aren’t fit to wear the shoes of other hall of famers. It was legal, under doctors care and there were no rules against it at the time.

So what do we do now, lets just take the whole generation; “Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Ken Griffey Jr., Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, Alex Rodriguez, Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez and Gary Sheffield” and banish them and their records from the annals of baseball. That will solve the whole mess.

Maybe it doesn't help you make contact with the ball, but it will help turn a lot of fly ball outs into home runs.

You're a moron.

Elger1950 Well lets reward “the RAT Jose Canseco” and burn everyone else. Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa did not rat on anyone. Then there was the fact that McGwire was retired, why involve him at all. At best it was hearsay; and McGwire’s lawyer had over coached him. All he had to do is repeat what he had been saying all along; “it was legal, under doctors care and there were no rules against it”; nothing was done while he was a player. If he was right then, what makes him so wrong now.

Mark McGwire "NO MVP's"

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 1986 22 OAK AL 18 53 10 10 1 0 3 9 0 1 4 18 .189 .259 .377 76 20 0 0 0 1 0 1987 23 OAK AL 151 557 97 161 28 4 49 118 1 1 71 131 .289 .370 .618 164 344 0 8 8 5 6 MVP-6,RoY-1,AS 1988 24 OAK AL 155 550 87 143 22 1 32 99 0 0 76 117 .260 .352 .478 134 263 1 4 4 4 15 MVP-19,AS 1989 25 OAK AL 143 490 74 113 17 0 33 95 1 1 83 94 .231 .339 .467 130 229 0 11 5 3 23 MVP-25,AS 1990 26 OAK AL 156 523 87 123 16 0 39 108 2 1 110 116 .235 .370 .489 143 256 1 9 9 7 13 MVP-11,AS 1991 27 OAK AL 154 483 62 97 22 0 22 75 2 1 93 116 .201 .330 .383 103 185 1 5 3 3 13 AS 1992 28 OAK AL 139 467 87 125 22 0 42 104 0 1 90 105 .268 .385 .585 175 273 0 9 12 5 10 SS,MVP-4,AS 1993 29 OAK AL 27 84 16 28 6 0 9 24 0 1 21 19 .333 .467 .726 224 61 0 1 5 1 0 1994 30 OAK AL 47 135 26 34 3 0 9 25 0 0 37 40 .252 .413 .474 137 64 0 0 3 0 3 1995 31 OAK AL 104 317 75 87 13 0 39 90 1 1 88 77 .274 .441 .685 200 217 0 6 5 11 9 MVP-16,AS 1996 32 OAK AL 130 423 104 132 21 0 52 113 0 0 116 112 .312 .467 .730 203 309 0 1 16 8 14 SS,MVP-7,AS 1997 33 TOT 156 540 86 148 27 0 58 123 3 0 101 159 .274 .393 .646 168 349 0 7 16 9 9 OAK AL 105 366 48 104 24 0 34 81 1 0 58 98 .284 .383 .628 161 230 0 5 8 4 9 AS STL NL 51 174 38 44 3 0 24 42 2 0 43 61 .253 .411 .684 182 119 0 2 8 5 0 MVP-16 1998 34 STL NL 155 509 130 152 21 0 70 147 1 0 162 155 .299 .470 .752 217 383 0 4 28 6 8 SS,MVP-2,AS 1999 35 STL NL 153 521 118 145 21 1 65 147 0 0 133 141 .278 .424 .697 178 363 0 5 21 2 12 MVP-5,AS 2000 36 STL NL 89 236 60 72 8 0 32 73 1 0 76 78 .305 .483 .746 205 176 0 2 12 7 5 AS 2001 37 STL NL 97 299 48 56 4 0 29 64 0 0 56 118 .187 .316 .492 106 147 0 6 3 3 7 +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 16 Seasons 6187 1626 6 1414 8 1596 .263 .394 .588 163 3 78 150 75 147

1874 1167 252 583 12 1317 3639

He was MVP 10 times out of 16 years??

Sammy was MVP 9 times.

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 1989 20 TOT AL 58 183 27 47 8 0 4 13 7 5 11 47 .257 .303 .366 89 67 5 2 2 2 6 TEX AL 25 84 8 20 3 0 1 3 0 2 0 20 .238 .238 .310 52 26 4 0 0 0 3 CHW AL 33 99 19 27 5 0 3 10 7 3 11 27 .273 .351 .414 117 41 1 2 2 2 3 1990 21 CHW AL 153 532 72 124 26 10 15 70 32 16 33 150 .233 .282 .404 92 215 2 6 4 6 10 1991 22 CHW AL 116 316 39 64 10 1 10 33 13 6 14 98 .203 .240 .335 59 106 5 1 2 2 5 1992 23 CHC NL 67 262 41 68 7 2 8 25 15 7 19 63 .260 .317 .393 98 103 4 2 1 4 4 1993 24 CHC NL 159 598 92 156 25 5 33 93 36 11 38 135 .261 .309 .485 108 290 0 1 6 4 14 1994 25 CHC NL 105 426 59 128 17 6 25 70 22 13 25 92 .300 .339 .545 127 232 1 4 1 2 7 1995 26 CHC NL 144 564 89 151 17 3 36 119 34 7 58 134 .268 .340 .500 123 282 0 2 11 5 8 SS,MVP-8,AS 1996 27 CHC NL 124 498 84 136 21 2 40 100 18 5 34 134 .273 .323 .564 128 281 0 4 6 5 14 MVP-15 1997 28 CHC NL 162 642 90 161 31 4 36 119 22 12 45 174 .251 .300 .480 99 308 0 5 9 2 16 MVP-19 1998 29 CHC NL 159 643 134 198 20 0 66 158 18 9 73 171 .308 .377 .647 160 416 0 5 14 1 20 SS,MVP-1,AS 1999 30 CHC NL 162 625 114 180 24 2 63 141 7 8 78 171 .288 .367 .635 141 397 0 6 8 3 17 SS,MVP-9,AS 2000 31 CHC NL 156 604 106 193 38 1 50 138 7 4 91 168 .320 .406 .634 169 383 0 8 19 2 12 SS,MVP-9,AS 2001 32 CHC NL 160 577 146 189 34 5 64 160 0 2 116 153 .328 .437 .737 201 425 0 12 37 6 6 SS,MVP-2,AS 2002 33 CHC NL 150 556 122 160 19 2 49 108 2 0 103 144 .288 .399 .594 160 330 0 4 15 3 14 SS,MVP-9,AS 2003 34 CHC NL 137 517 99 144 22 0 40 103 0 1 62 143 .279 .358 .553 135 286 0 5 9 5 14 MVP-8 2004 35 CHC NL 126 478 69 121 21 0 35 80 0 0 56 133 .253 .332 .517 110 247 0 3 4 2 9 AS 2005 36 BAL AL 102 380 39 84 15 1 14 45 1 1 39 84 .221 .295 .376 82 143 0 3 3 2 15 2007 38 TEX AL 112 405 51 102 24 1 20 90 0 0 33 110 .252 .309 .464 98 188 0 5 3 3 11 +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 18 Seasons 8806 2406 45 1665 107 2304 .273 .344 .534 128 17 78 154 59 202

2352 1473 379 608 234 928 4699

Sorry about the lack of knowledge concerning MVP’s. But even though I don’t believe in the use of any illegal Drugs. McGwier still belongs in the Hall, because I believe him; “it was legal, under doctors care and there were no rules against it”. He is worthy. I am Elger1950. And I am not trying to hide.

Let him in, he didn't kill anybody.