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Mantle, Mays, and Snider in 1957

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by Harold Friend LouGehrig

Nineteen fifty seven was not a good year for the New York Giants. They finished in sixth place, 26 games behind the pennant winning Milwaukee Braves, drawing 653,923 paying customers for the worst attendance in the league. It was their last season in New York, as they followed Walter O'Malley and the Dodgers to California, but it was one of the best season's of Willie Mays' career.


Mays Had a Great Season in 1957

National Leaguers batted .260 in 1957. Willie Mays hit .333, with 35 home runs, 26 doubles, 20 triples, and 97 RBIs. The offensively challenged Giants scored only 643 runs, which explains why Mays had only 97 RBIs. He had a .407 on base average and a .626 slugging average, compared to the league's .322 on base average and .400 slugging average. Willie also stole 38 bases. No one was better defensively.

In 1957, Duke Was Good But Not Great

Nineteen fifty seven was not a good year for the Brooklyn Dodgers. They finished third, 11 games behind the Braves, but they had an attendance of 1,028,258 fans, which was enough to make money but substantially less than the Braves' 2,215,404, a fact that played a major role in Walter removing the Dodgers from Brooklyn. Duke Snider had a good season, but it was not as good as most of his others. Duke batted only .274, which was considered low in the 1950s. He finished third in home runs with 40, making it the fifth consecutive season he hit at least 40 home runs, but Snider's on base average was only .368, and his slugging average of .587 was his lowest in five seasons. Compared to most players, Snider had a good season, but compared to Duke Snider, he did not.

Incredible Mantle

American Leaguers batted .255 in 1957. Mickey Mantle batted .365, with 34 home runs, 28 doubles, 6 triples, and 94 RBIs. Mickey walked 146 times, which explains why he had only 94 RBIs. His on base average was .512 and his slugging average was .665, compared to the league's .326 on base average and .382 slugging average. He stole 16 bases in 19 attempts. Mickey Mantle's batting average exceeded the league batting average by more than 100 points, his on base average was an incredible 186 points better, and his slugging average was 283 points better.

Willie Was the Most Exciting, But There Was More Involved

The statistics are revealing, but watching the three centerfielders play was more revealing. Overall, taking hitting, fielding, throwing, and running into account, Willie was the most exciting, but there was more to it. In the field, Willie was surer than Mickey or the Duke, but Mickey was faster and the Duke played in a small park that allowed him to climb the walls to rob players of home runs.

Home Runs

Until Red Schoendienst fell on Mickey's right shoulder in the 1957 World Series, Mickey had the best arm among the three, but Willie's was probably more accurate. At the plate, it was no contest. Mickey hit home runs with greater impact and for a greater distance than any player since Ruth. Duke was a greater home run threat than Willie, despite the fact that Willie hit more career home runs. Snider had to clear the forty foot high fence Ebbets Field right field fence, which meant that his home runs were high, arcing shots.

Records Are Incomplete

On the bases, Mays was the best base runner, although Mickey was faster and the Duke was pretty fast. Willie stole more bases and he could have stolen many more, but teams didn't steal much in the 1950s. Mickey stole only when it was necessary. Snider stole as many as 16 bases in a season twice in his career, getting thrown out 7 time in 1953. Interestingly, no one knows how many times he was thrown out in 1950 because the records are incomplete.

He Was Better Than Any of Them

In the last few years, individuals have taken "peak years" and concluded that Mantle's were better than Willie's or Duke's which is true, but a career includes everything. Mickey, Willie, and Edwin Donald all were great center fielders. It is tempting to compare them, and we have all been tempted. When they played, most of the baseball writers ranked Mays as the best, but with the perspective time provides, that is no longer the case. Mickey has probably become slightly overrated, Willie has dropped a little in the ratings, and the Duke was always vastly underrated. All that being said, DiMaggio was better than any of them. Reference:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/

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Anonymous Fanatic #1
838 days ago
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These three were better than Griffey Jr. or Andruw Jones by a lot.
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IbeargRed-Shirting
838 days ago
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i think you have to put Griffey and his Seattle days right up there with those three guys. Especially his 97 and 98 years were he was playing gold glove baseball, hitting 56 hr's each year and 146 rbi one year and 147 the other.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
838 days ago
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Griffey is a lot better than Andruw Jones, don't lump them together.
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KelsdadAll-Star
838 days ago
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Love your work Harold.

I think you're right now about Mantle being somewhat overrated, but I'll use a different perspective as an explanation why. Elvis. Here's a guy who has been dead for thirty years, yet remains one of the top selling music artists year in and year out. He's freakin' dead, he has nothing at all to do with today. It's public perception that overrates these people, not their numbers or their careers. That said, DiMaggio is far more overrated than any of them.

And as our friend Mr. Stiles quite often says, everyone who has ever worn a Yankee uniform is somewhat overrated by that fact. But at the same time, much more is expected of them. ARod hits .310/45/120 in Texas and he's a superstar, he puts up those numbers in New York and he's just one of a half dozen guys who meet or exceed one or more of those numbers, thus he becomes overrated by his surroundings.

As far as the three guys your writing about, I didnot see Snider play, although I did see the other two. Mantle was one of those truly five tool players who singlehandedly could affect the outcome of every game he ever played in. You can't say that about the other two, although Mays was close.

Using the same reference point to ARod above, Mantle played on multiple pennant and World Series teams, he played with teammates who won MVP awards, Rookie of the Year awards, batting titles, Cy Youngs, yet the one guy in the lineup the other teams worried about day in and day out was Mantle. That, to me, makes Mantle the best of the three, and in the top ten players of all time.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
838 days ago
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But DiMaggio was married to Marilyn Monroe, that has to count for something ;)
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