armchairgm
all sports, all you
+ Add Friends
You are not logged-in.
Sign Up - Log In
Main Page
Sports
Write
Articles
Hot Links
Images
Meet People
Fun
Explore
MLB - NFL - NBA - NHL - College Basketball - College Football - Soccer - Nascar - Other
Article - Locker Room Discussion
All Articles - New Articles - Today's Articles
Submit a Link - Approve Links
Picture Game - Ratings - Polls - Pick Game - Quiz Game - Spring Silliness
Random Page - Random Image - Random Fan
Edit
Page history Discuss pageWhat links here

MLB Playoffs Proposal

12
Vote

by user Pnatt

Hey readers! This is my first opinion on this website.

Let me introduce myself. My name's Peter. I'm a big sports fan from Melbourne, Australia.

It's been bothering me for a while now how only 8 teams (4 teams from each league) make the playoffs in MLB. I was a huge baseball fan before but the very strict playoff format sort of made me lose interest in MLB and in the sport altogether.

MLB should adopt a similar system to the NFL. The 3 division champions shall get top 3 seeds based on regular season record as per usual, and 3 wild card card teams (the 3 best non-division champion teams in each league based on regular season record) should make the playoffs. The two best division champions would receive a bye to the Division Series (same as in the NFL) whereby the worst division champion team and all the wild card teams face each other in the Wild Card Series. #3 would host #6 and #4 would host #5.

The next round the Division Series would have #1 hosting the worst remaining team and #2 hosting the 2nd worst remaining team. The winner of those series would meet each other in the League Championship Series as per usual.

In the League Championship Series the best seeded team hosts the 2nd best seeded team as per usual. Each of the league's champions would play each other in the World Series as per usual.

I have since realized that a bye wouldn't work as it would mess up the routine of the pitchers squad. Bad idea.

Date

Thu 09/21/06, 10:21 am EST


Enable Comment Auto-Refresher
Anonymous Fanatic #1
1192 days ago
Score 0+-
Not a bad idea, although this year with 12 teams a team with a sub .500 record in the National League would make it, eek.
Permalink | Reply
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 1+-
Which is exactly why it should never be done. You never want sub-.500 teams getting in the playoffs.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1181 days ago
Score -3+-
It was done in the NHL in the 1980s when 16 out of the league's 21 teams qualified for the playoffs and the 80s were considered one of the best eras in hockey.
Permalink
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 2+-
Irrelevant. That era of hockey was good despite that, not because of it.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1176 days ago
Score -3+-
Which is exactly why it should never be done. You never want sub-.500 teams getting in the playoffs. Why not?
Permalink
XinophDraft Pick
1173 days ago
Score 0+-
Seriously, are you high? Sub .500 teams suck. You want good teams in the playoffs - that's what the playoffs are for. Do you understand what playoffs are?
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1163 days ago
Score -3+-
Seriously, are you high? Sub .500 teams suck. You want good teams in the playoffs - that's what the playoffs are for. Do you understand what playoffs are? What is your definition of playoffs?
Permalink
Bball3345Draft Pick
1192 days ago
Score 4+-
All series should be best-of-seven? Wouldn't that make for a long postseason?
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score -3+-
yeah it would be ridiculous. But it wouldn't be so bad under the current system. The postseason would go a little longer but it would make sense.
Permalink
DNLLegend
1192 days ago
Score 2+-
Welcome to the site!

I think there should be 10. Reduce the season to 154 games, and add a second WC. Both WC teams play a best-of-3 series; winner faces the #1 seed. All of the series, save for the WC matchup, should be best-of-7.

This takes 8 games off the regular season and adds, at most, 5 games to the length of the post-season.
Permalink | Reply
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1192 days ago
Score 0+-
Holy crap, D! You just got my nomination for next Commissioner!!
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score -2+-
yeah it would be ridiculous. But it wouldn't be so bad under the current system. The postseason would go a little longer but it would make sense.
Permalink | Reply
Awrigh01All-Star
1192 days ago
Score 3+-
Welcome to the site. I think this is a ridiculous idea and would destroy baseball. The only sport which has successfully implemented a massive playoff system is the NFL. Why does this work for the NFL? Because they only play 16 games.


The other large American sports which employ large playoff systems are falling apart at the seams, namely the NBA and the NHL. Why? Because their long season means nothing to the players and means nothing to the fans. Players and organizations lower their sights to making the playoffs, making each game even less valuable.


Now, I am not going to say that each MLB games has an enormous value (except maybe in the last two weeks of September), but this value would be incredibly dimished if the playoff system was expanded for MLB.
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score -2+-
NFL massive? Just 12 teams out of the 32 is hardly massive!
Permalink
ASwaffAll-American
1192 days ago
Score 4+-
I strongly disagree. Maybe in the future, you never know...but at this point, eight is just enough to keep the pretenders out of the playoffs. Are there occassionally some deserving teams that miss out? Yes, but not enough to warrant an extra two teams per league, in my opinion. Plus, it would make the playoffs long and ridiculous, like the NBA and the NHL, which also have WAY TOO MANY TEAMS in the playoffs.
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1184 days ago
Score -2+-
I don't agree. The NBA and NHL do not have way too many teams in the playoffs. 16 out of 30 is not way too many. What about in the 1980s when the NHL had 16 out 21 teams making the playoffs and appearently the 1980s NHL was a great era for hockey.
Permalink
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 0+-
I strongly agree, ASwaff. There are way too many teams in the NBA and NHL playoffs, and it's devalued the weight of the championship and the playoffs themselves over time. Adding more MLB teams to the playoffs would only make sense if it's in proportion to a lot of expansion of the league as a whole. Letting a greater percentage of the league make the playoffs makes no sense.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score -2+-
more playoff games = more excitement. I reckon the current playoff system in the NHL is great! It might not work well in baseball tho.
Permalink | Reply
Awrigh01All-Star
1192 days ago
Score 0+-
more playoff games = more excitement in the short term when teams are still competing during the regular season. However, as the system is employed longers. Organizations merely build teams good enough to make the playoffs and the players respond by only playing to make the playoffs. The result is less exciting and meaningful regular seaosn action.


The less exciting and meaningful the regular season action, the less fans will pay attention. The less fans that pay attention, the less media covers the sport. The less media covers the sport, the less fans will pay attention and the less new fans will follow the sport. The less new fans following the sport, mean even less fans in the future. All of a sudden a sport is dying . . . a la . . . the NBA and NHL.
Permalink
Awrigh01All-Star
1192 days ago
Score 2+-
The purpose of the playoff system is to divine what team is the best at a given sport. For the NFL, there is a significant amount of error in making this determination b/c they play only 16 games. Some really good teams lose on really close plays. To limit the probability of chance, the NFL employs a longer playoff system to narrow down the best team. And, I think most of would agree that the system works.


For baseball (and for basketball and hockey for that matter) the longer season eliminates these statistical irregularities. The best team usually sits on the top of the division or makes the playoffs. There is very few times, since the advent of the expanded MLB playoff system where an undeserving team makes the playoffs.


I would argue this year, we will witness such an anomoly when the Padres and/or Dodgers makes the playoffs instead of the Marlins and/or Phillies. This is not due to the playoff system, but rather due to the division heavy schedule (which I think should be eliminated).
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score -2+-
I'd have to agree with this one. The division heavy schedule in MLB is ridiculous. There should be more games between non-divisional opponents in each league.
Permalink
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 2+-
I don't agree with the "statistical irregularities" theory, Awr; the statistics are consistent within each sport. The NFL realizes that having single-elimination rounds, and a longer playoff season, makes them more money. That's why it's done. That's why the league does everything.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score 1+-
I'm pleased that im getting a lot of responses! Afterall it is my first opinion on this site.
Permalink | Reply
JoebookRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score 1+-
It's a good topic for debate, but I agree that the other major sports should adopt a system closer to MLB. Having half of the teams in the playoffs means that a team can tread water for 80% of the season and buy a player to make a late run. That's idiotic...
Permalink | Reply
JoebookRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score 3+-
Pnatt -- the other thing to keep in mind is that Manny Stiles is weird... (i love ya babe...)
Permalink | Reply
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1192 days ago
Score 2+-
Wow! I come with a warning label, now! Sweet... Welcome aboard, mate! Gotta love the Oz presence on the Armchair!
Permalink
DennisODellTee-Baller
1192 days ago
Score 0+-
If the baseball season were shorter, you would have a valid argument. I do not want a system like the NBA or NHL, (hell, even the NFL is close) where it's easier to name the teams the DON"T make the playoffs than it is the ones that do. Taking more teams into a playoff system makes the regular season less and less relevant. How many people care about the NBA in Feb or March? It's pretty clear by that point who is making the playoffs;everyone is just fighting for seeding. I have no reason to waste my money on a regular season game if I know my team is headed to the playoffs. If they win or lose, who cares. They'll start really playing come playoff time The beauty of MLB is the long season. Heck, look how close some of the races are even after 150 games! Gotta love that. MLB should go back to only division winners making the playoffs. If you can't win the division after 162 games, well, you can't say you didn't have ample opportunity.
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score -2+-
yeah you have a point there. I know you're talking about the NBA but it's similar in the NHL. It doesn't seem to make much difference whether you have home-ice advantage or not.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1192 days ago
Score -2+-
I'd have to disagree with only division winners making the playoffs. I reckon that allowing one wild card team in the playoffs is the very least that MLB can do. But I'm Aussie and our sports systems are very different. In the AFL there's 8 teams (out of 16) in the playoffs so I guess I'm used to the idea of 50% of teams (or a little more like in the NBA and the NHL) entering the playoffs is just about right.
Permalink
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 0+-
I support only division winners making the playoffs. I hate the wildcard system, and always have, and still do, even though my team won the WS through a wildcard spot a few years ago. I don't like having non-division winners in the playoffs, it makes the division system less meaningful and the championship less elite.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1177 days ago
Score -2+-
Well maybe they should just get rid of divisions?
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1176 days ago
Score -2+-
Why do you hate the wild card system? You sound like a baseball purist to me!
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1162 days ago
Score -2+-
How many people care about the NBA in Feb or March? It's pretty clear by that point who is making the playoffs;everyone is just fighting for seeding. That's crap. Teams in the top 8 are not automatically in the playoffs at this stage!!!
Permalink
Anonymous Fanatic #2
1191 days ago
Score 0+-
I actualyl agree with this article. Especially considering what baseball has become. With certain team spending literally hundreds of millions of dollars more than others, the idea of only letting division winners supports the teams' with the overpriced all star roster. The Yankees are perfect proof of why this would be a good idea. The Yankees spend over 100 million more than any other team. Now that doesn't guarantee them a world series, but it pretty much does guarantee them a division title. Just by the sheer amount of talent on their roster, they'll win a ton oregular season game. But in a meaningful playoff game, the better constructed, more together team will beat the higher paid one. It's no coincidence that the Mets ballooned their payroll and spent gobs of money this offseason and won the NL East. As long as they spend close to a hundred million more than the other teams in it's division, they should always win it. It doesn't mean that the Phils or Marlins couldn't beat them in a 5-7 game series. In short, the crazy money disparity in baseball has cheapened the regluar season already. So the main argument for keeping the playoffs more exclusive is out the window. Plus, I think you get better competition with more wildcard teams. Tpyically, these are the teams who are playing the best at the end of the year. That's why it seems they get to and/or win the world series so often. Frankly, I think that right now that Padres, Dodgers, or Phillies would all be more dangerous in the playoffs that the Cardinals.
Permalink | Reply
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1191 days ago
Score 2+-
It's not how much you spend, but how you spend it.The Yanks spend money to make money. The Twins spend money to develop young talent. The A's spend money to prove their philosphy wins baseball games. The Marlins trade away proven talent for cheap young studs.

The Orioles/Angelos spend stupid and punish the best fans in bseball because of it.

The Devil Rays could spend all the money in the world and I won't root for them this year in reverance for Steve Irwin...
Permalink
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1191 days ago
Score 0+-
by the way... the 'disperity in spending' in baseball has been pretty consistent through history... the numbers are bigger but the ratios are the same...
Permalink
DennisODellTee-Baller
1191 days ago
Score 0+-
Then how do you explain the Oakland A's, Minnesota Twins, or Marlins making the playoffs in the past? Why have a regulare season, then? Hell, let's just do it like English Soccer. Whoever as the best record at the end of a defined number of games is the champion. That way everyone has "made the playoffs"
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1184 days ago
Score -2+-
I reckon it sucks how some people don't like teams who "slack off" to make the playoffs. I reckon it's great!!
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1184 days ago
Score 0+-
In my opinion if I had it my way, 16 out of the 30 teams would make the playoffs in MLB.
Permalink | Reply
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 0+-
Well, good thing you don't have your way, isn't it? That would suck. Be mediocre, and you can win the championship. The thrilling competitiveness of sports run by Pnatt.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1162 days ago
Score -2+-
Well, good thing you don't have your way, isn't it? That would suck. Be mediocre, and you can win the championship. The thrilling competitiveness of sports run by Pnatt. Mediocre?! They only make up about half of the teams??!
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1182 days ago
Score -2+-
Actually I reckon 12 teams out of the 30 just like my original plan.
Permalink | Reply
Anonymous Fanatic #3
1182 days ago
Score 0+-
Well, how would a bye work in baseball? It just wouldn't. When you're playing 6 games a week for 6 months out of the year, it would throw you off so much. A pitcher is a creature of habit. Look how some players struggle right after the All-Star break. It works in the NFL because it's such a physical sport. It won't work in baseball, just because of the layoff. Now, should teams like the Astros, the Phillies and the White Sox have made it? Yeah. But they didn't. How about the year that the Cardinals won 103 games and DIDN'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS???
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1181 days ago
Score -2+-
what I hate about MLB is that it punishes teams who slack off, making the games at the end of the season less meaninglful!!!
Permalink | Reply
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 0+-
That just made no sense, sorry. Which teams slack off, exactly? And how does having a reasonable number of teams in the playoff "punish" them? And how does that make the end of the season less meaningful? The end of the season would be less meaningful your way; more playoff spots would make the end of the year vastly less competitive and exciting.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1181 days ago
Score -2+-
Well if teams in the last month of the regular season already know that they will miss out on the playoffs (even if they have a plus 50% record) what's the point of trying if you're not going to make the playoffs?
Permalink
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 0+-
To win, same as always. What's the point in not trying?
Permalink
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 0+-
Besides, teams that didn't make the playoffs aren't "slacking off" by losing. After all, if they hadn't been losing quite a bit already, they would have made the playoffs.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1181 days ago
Score -2+-
Well what's the point of winning if even if you win ALL OF YOUR UPCOMING GAMES you'll still miss the playoffs? This is proof that the sooner they change the current system to allow more teams into the playoffs the better.
Permalink
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 0+-
First of all, you have proof for theories, not moronic ideas. Ideas, proposals, opinions don't have proof. Second of all, when will you get it that teams don't necessarily start playing poorly just because they're not in the playoffs? Have you ever even followed a full season of baseball? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Following your theory, why should the Tampa Bay Devil Rays have played at all this year?
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1173 days ago
Score -2+-
That just made no sense, sorry. Which teams slack off, exactly? And how does having a reasonable number of teams in the playoff "punish" them? And how does that make the end of the season less meaningful? The end of the season would be less meaningful your way; more playoff spots would make the end of the year vastly less competitive and exciting. That's a load of crap. What about in the NHL last year. There were many teams around the 8th and 9th spots fighting for playoff spots!!
Permalink
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 0+-
Half the league getting in the playoffs is ridiculous in any sport. It reduces the eliteness of the playoffs themselves, and devalues the competitiveness of the sport over time, since teams can have mediocre seasons with a two-week run of brilliance and get the championship. The only thing that would more playoff spots would be good for is the team's pocketbooks, not the fans, the sport, or anyone else.
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1177 days ago
Score -2+-
I disagree with that. More playoff games is good for fans.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1162 days ago
Score -2+-
Why have playoffs then Xinoph? Why not just have a regular season then?
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1181 days ago
Score -2+-
Besides, teams that didn't make the playoffs aren't "slacking off" by losing. After all, if they hadn't been losing quite a bit already, they would have made the playoffs. That's incorrect. Many teams miss out on the playoffs while even having a plus 50% record.
Permalink | Reply
XinophDraft Pick
1181 days ago
Score 0+-
No, it's not incorrect, o great one, it just disagrees with you. "Slacking off" is a slang term that means nothing outside of each person's head. According to my definition, teams that don't make the playoffs are slacking off, Troll.
Permalink
PnattRed-Shirting
1180 days ago
Score -2+-
I reckon it's pretty stiff how MLB only allows 8 teams into the playoffs.
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1177 days ago
Score -2+-
Well maybe they should just get rid of divisions?
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1177 days ago
Score -2+-
Well maybe they should just get rid of divisions?
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1177 days ago
Score -2+-
Well maybe they should just get rid of divisions?
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1177 days ago
Score -2+-
Well maybe they should just get rid of divisions?
Permalink | Reply
PnattRed-Shirting
1149 days ago
Score -2+-
I no longer endorse this opinion.
Permalink | Reply
Add your Comment
ArmchairGM welcomes all comments. If you don't want to be anonymous, Register or Login. It's free


Retrieved from "http://armchairgm.wikia.com/MLB_Playoffs_Proposal"

This page was last modified 06:18, 4 November 2006. Content is available under the GFDL.

Contribute

ArmchairGM's pages can be edited.
Is this page incomplete? Is there anything wrong?
Change it!

Edit this page Discuss this page Page history

Recent contributors to this page

The following people recently contributed to this article.

Embed this on your site

Main Page About Special Pages Help Terms of Use Advertise