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Totally Trashed

Posted by Niteowl049
545 days ago

I have been writing about baseball at ArmchairGM for over a year now and have had a few negative comments about my articles but today I was totally trashed by one of the Armchair people. I don't believe in making negative comments about another writer's articles and never have and never will. I am just a 63 year old man that likes to write about baseball. I don't claim to be an expert on baseball and am not trying to convince anyone to think the way I do about baseball. Everyone is free to state their opinion but when they take an article paragraph by paragraph and trash it that is going overboard. I am not planning to leave ArmchairGM but a few more negative comments like the one below  may cause me to rethink that position.   Niteowl


    Manny Stiles Draft Pick [[]] 33 minutes ago Score 0 [[]] [[]] I appreciate your effort on explaining the Rays pitching staff to the world, but you're essentially doing what the entire national media has done - PROVING you don't know what you're talking about.

It's nice to regurgitate stats but if you don't know what you're saying maybe it's best to say nothing.

It's insulting to REAL Rays fans and insulting to the players that you're just spewing nonsense about them.

Want examples?

Sonnanstine: "that doesn't matter that much with the Rays' offense hitting the way they have been this season." - The Rays HAVEN'T been hitting well yet this season!!!

Jackson: "he could easily be 8-6 with any kind of run support in those games." - See? Now you've completely contradicted yourself - because the Rays HAVEN'T been hitting well (yet)

Kazmir: AS "great" as his numbers say he's been any Rays fan will tell you he's prone to allowing the big inning in the middle of every game. Maddon lets him fight through it, because he's Kaz but it's concerning. Eventually one big inning turns to two.

Matt Garza's best game of the season was the start BEFORE the Red Sox game when he struck out 10 and only gave up one hit against the Marlins.

JP Howell - "He has pitched 51 innings, both last season and so far this season." - He was a starter last year. If you were paying attention to the Rays, you would still shudder when you think about it.

Birkins and Balfour in the same breath????? How DARE you???? Birkins sucks donkey balls and Balfour has been amazing. It's sentences like that which can get you booed heartily in my house!

Scott Dohmann sucks - "he was sent back to the Minors when Al Reyes returned from the disabled list." Yeah, and Al Reyes has been on the DL again since Dohmann went down. And Mitch Talbot (who just was called up whenPercival went to the DL) will go down when Reyes gets back. Dohmann got his wins thanks to walkoffs, not because of anything he did...

Where's Trever "Don't call me Casey Fossum" Miller??? He's Maddon's favorite pinch pitcher! Where's Gary "Gasoline" Glover? These two guys are vital in Maddon's systematic bullpen approach.

The rest of what you said was simply statistical regurgitation.

It's nice that everybody wants to be a Rays fan now but to just throw stats out there isn't saying anything of worth. Besides this team is a statistical anomaly. They aren't winning games on stats. They are winning it on timely hits, awesome defense, taking walks, smart baserunning and believing in themselves.

They are playing like a team. No one individual is carrying the club - EVERYONE is adding their effort to the cause.

They have a bunch guys that deserve an All-Star nod this year (Navarro, Upton, Shields, Sonnanstine, Longoria, Iwamura) but I bet Crawford and Kaxmir go instead...

Don't mean to sound so harsh, Niteowl. Yes, I get VERY defensive of the things I love and how they get misinterpreted and mauled over by shortsighted analysis but any monkey with a keyboard can spew stats - it would be nice if you read into them a little more... there's ALWAYS more to what's going on than the numbers say.

And it's going to be a while before I forgive you for lumping Birkins and Balfour together...

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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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Oh what the hell? Get over it.

If you can't accept SOME criticism then how do you tolerate life on this planet?


And you know what?


If I can't express MY opinion on something that I am knowledgable and passionate about, then this ISN'T a site I want to be on...


If you want me to REALLY "totally trash" you, I can. But this was a mild criticism at best and - here's some more unsolicited "criticism" - you're being WAY too sensitive about it.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
545 days ago
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All I know is that I would never criticize another Armchair writer whether I agreed with them or not.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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Then don't criticize anyone, Niteowl. It's not your cup of tea. Fine.


But you're off your rocker if you think that other people won't.


I'll say it again:

"Most people would rather be destroyed with kindness than saved by criticism."


I don't criticize to hurt, I criticize to help. I think you can think of a few interactions with me where I "suggested" (a pretty word for criticize) some things to you...
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SSreportersLegend
545 days ago
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Niteowl, you've been here for a long time and I am assuming you've dealt with Manny more than most of the active users here, but uh.....


This is a typical Manny comment. It's his opinion and when he wants to dispute something he'll distribute facts and use your quotes and give his comments like the one you posted.


You're overreacting Niteowl, it's a non-issue.
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KelsdadAll-Star
545 days ago
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Did you read his article, SS?

You can have an opinion on what he wrote, you do not, however, have an opinion to how he feels about Manny's comment, so, to him, it is an issue.

And also none of your business.
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SSreportersLegend
545 days ago
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That's what I get for assuming it was a message....
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False ProphetAll-Star
545 days ago
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Kelsdad, back down.

It's a facking lockerroom post. He can post his opinion of the subject at hand if he wants to, and if you think otherwise, you need to find a way to deal with it. It's his right to post here, and you have no authority to tell anyone here otherwise.

Niteowl-

I've taken so much shit from manny in the almost two years I've been here. I've thought about just leaving AGM because of it. It's annoying as crap, but there's a reason he does it. Ask any coach of any activity why they criticize (sometimes harshly) those who they coach. They'll all say it's because they care and they want the person to get better.

The same is true here. Manny is sometimes a bit overdefensive (and he admits it), but it's because he wants you to do better. It's not that your writing sucks (because it doesn't), it's that he knows you can do better. And that's true for pretty much everyone in the entire world. You're human, therefore you're not perfect. You don't physically have the time or the ability to watch every MLB enough to dissect everything about it, nor the ability or the time to dissect every stat and every way of looking at it. Don't take what Manny says personally, because if you notice, he only takes the time to post a lengthy criticism not filled with personal attacks and sarcastic remarks on the articles of those he likes, and those who's writing he enjoys.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
545 days ago
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I can't remember another article being taken apart and ripped paragraph by paragraph at Armchair. I don't dispute anyone for having an opinion contrary to mine but I do believe in being respectful and thankful for the work the Armchair writers put in to create an article.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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Whatever.

I'm sorry.


I'm sorry everyone loves you so much that they can't dare be honest with you.


"Great Article, Niteowl. Keep up the good work!"


Armchair and every other site you contribute to is without a doubt lucky to have you!
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MECUVarsity
545 days ago
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Threatening to leave is a pretty lame tactic.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
545 days ago
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I have no plans for leaving and hope to be here for a long time. If I was planning on leaving I would have been gone a couple of hours ago.
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MECUVarsity
545 days ago
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Yah, but "I am not planning to leave ArmchairGM but a few more negative comments like the one below may cause me to rethink that position." is a threat to leave.
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Taytay 24All-American
544 days ago
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There is a world of difference between "constructive criticism" and "totally trashing" an article. The comments to which Niteowl references tend toward the latter.
And Manny knows it--he admits as much when he says hes "overdefensive" about it. Perhaps instead of adding that disclaimer at the end, he could delete the entire comment and either find a truly constructive way to say it or just keep his defensiveness to himself.
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Yakob878MVP
544 days ago
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Here We Go Again
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