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Private vs Public

Posted by Frugolf

671 days ago

In Penna.there is a raging controversy about public schools not having a chance to win Basketball championships.State titles almost always go to private Catholic schools.This is almost exclusive in the AAA & AA divisions of girls and boys.I've been trying to find the numbers to back that up so if anyone out there can tell me where to look I'd appreciate it.Back in the 60's Pa. had 2 championships Catholic and public.This seemed to work very well but the PIAA decided to make it one.The advantage for the private schools are they have no boundaries.Some say they recruit, but I,m not going there.Of course there are other advantages like more money to pay coaches, better facilities, and the fact that if players parents can afford to pay for schooling,they've probably had them in travel leagues and better competition.Are there any other states out there with this controversy??

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BlueCarpVarsity Captain

671 days ago

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Not really a controversy, but in Colorado there is one private Catholic school, Mullen, that competes for the 5A (biggest classification in CO)title every year. Yes, they can recruit. It might be a controversy if they won every year, but they don't. However, they are a contender every year.

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FrugolfVarsity Captain

671 days ago

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THey are allowed to recruit? They are not allowed to here, although some do.Thanks for the response

BlueCarpVarsity Captain

670 days ago

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Not sure if they are "allowed" to, but they do. You know, offering "financial aid" to players that would not otherwise attend the school.

Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer

671 days ago

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The Pope is behind this...

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FrugolfVarsity Captain

671 days ago

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Way behind

Frank StevensonRed-Shirting

671 days ago

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By me the Catholic schools are poor. Very poor. The jewish schools on the other hand.... So I'm assuming that this article is really just about PRIVATE schools vs public... unless the pope really is behind this (he's a tricky little fella)

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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer

671 days ago

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Don't know about all that but I do know and have witnessed gang fights erupt in metro Chicago high schools during basketball games.

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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting

671 days ago

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Tell on.....

Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer

671 days ago

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What is there to tell? Kids hurting other kids over colors and turf?

Frank StevensonRed-Shirting

671 days ago

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What does that have to do with the pope?

FrugolfVarsity Captain

671 days ago

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Yes, Frank it is about private vs public.In Pa. however it's mostly Catholic schools that win especially in the girls divisions.Tyrone, I think you've run off on another topic, that's so unlike you.:-]

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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting

671 days ago

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I'm assuming that there aren't enough teams to keep private and public seperate?

Frank StevensonRed-Shirting

671 days ago

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Sorry. Seperate divisions is what I mean.

JuTMSY4Legend

671 days ago

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no, there are

Frank StevensonRed-Shirting

671 days ago

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So just make it public plays public and private plays private. I know that sort of sucks but I can't find another solution to the problem. Recruiting will occur without them officially saying they are recruiting. Same thing happens in college, they will always find away thru loop holes.

Steel TownDraft Pick

671 days ago

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But what do you do with a private school in central PA with nothing but public schools around it?

FrugolfVarsity Captain

671 days ago

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I believe there are enough teams, I'm not sure why they no longer have the separation.It seemed to work well, but somebody decided they had a better idea.

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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting

671 days ago

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And that would be the pope :)

FrugolfVarsity Captain

671 days ago

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What you just discussed is what the controversy is all about.Public schools want the split [ mostly because they haven't won a state title since the change] and of course private are just fine with beating public schools in the lower rounds to gain momentum for the later rounds when they end up playing other private schools.

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FrugolfVarsity Captain

671 days ago

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Ok, I'll petition the pope, it seems to be the only answer.

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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer

671 days ago

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How about each have their own playoff champion + 1 game for state?

671 days ago

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At first, I thought you were talking about messaging on AGM. HA!

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False ProphetAll-Star

671 days ago

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Being from a private school, I can say that recruiting is more under the rug. It's more they try and get good athletes who are good students interested, and then use athletics to get them to stay. Although Minnesota did allow open enrollment in all schools for a while, which meant that recruiting did happen. Hopkins High School had students from all over the metro on their basketball team (it's one of the better programs in the nation).

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671 days ago

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Lol so did i and Everett High school is a public school but, dominate in football. Byt, some how were able to recruit this kid named Issac Johnson who is already cominted to Boston College.

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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer

671 days ago

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If the point of the tournament is to determine the best high school team, why seperate schools? Private schools do have an advantage of being able to accept students from wide regions, and I'm sure some recruit. But public schools also have lower academic standards and public funding.

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JuTMSY4Legend

671 days ago

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Lower academic standards? does your shit also smell like roses?

671 days ago

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I can't judge the private schools in the US since I've never seen, never mind been in one.

However, in Kuwait, every American school, where it is not obligated for you to speak Arabic throughout the entire day, is private.

I don't know about that statement you said about academic standards, Rawb. Some public schools are definitely pretty tough. But I dunno. Like I said, I can't judge.

Steel TownDraft Pick

670 days ago

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Not all public schools have lower academic standards.

RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer

670 days ago

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I know "some" public schools have higher academic standards than most private schools. But don't you think it's safe to say that, by and large, private schools have higher standards?

JuTMSY4Legend

670 days ago

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generally, my experience with parocial schools in PA has been the opposite...most of them barely meet the academic standards of the state... The same may not be for secular private schools, however their numbers are much smaller in PA

RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer

670 days ago

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I guess it's different than I thought it was. My mistake. I only know about MA and New England private schools vs. public schools. And generally, the private schools are better and harder.

FrugolfVarsity Captain

670 days ago

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Raw, I believe you should play on an equal playing field.Then and only then can you determine who is the best in the state.

RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer

670 days ago

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Well let's say it was just public schools, don't some public schools produce traditionally better athletes in certain towns? I know in MA, Everett HS always has a great football team, and they always crush Cambridge. The schools are similar in size, but Everett has an advantage.

Bobbyjim45Draft Pick

671 days ago

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In my school, the private schools tend to get a lot of the big time athletes, but the public schools are so much bigger, it all ends up evening out. It's almost a level playing field, if anything with edge going to bigger public schools like the one I got to (get me out!!!).

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671 days ago

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You have private schools in your school? WHOA!

Bobbyjim45Draft Pick

671 days ago

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Haha, nice catch Romi. Only a select few are chosen to go to the secret private school within the puclic school. It's where we learn to KICK ASS!!!

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