Manny Dealt to the Dodgers

Somebody probably said the Red Sox had 0 chance to win the World Series when they were down 0-3 to the Yanks in '04.

I think a team leading the Wild Card has a solid shot at winning the World Series. Nowhere near a sure thing, but infinitely more of a chance than "zero."

you mean like coming back down 3-0 in the ALCS?

Actually Andy is a really solid prospect, but his power hasn't transfered at the big league level, he'll be missed. Compared to giving up Either or Kemp though this is big time.

That's not really fair. LaRoche has never been given a chance in the majors. I mean, the Dodgers tried both Nomar and Blake DeWitt at third before they would give Andy a shot.

Who was the 1? I know Manny voted to trade himself...

Seriously? I'm guessing Lugo

Ortiz was.

where'd ya hear this?

Considering rosters are 25, and Manny likely was not included... My guess would be Papi

Channel 5 WCVB, here's a link on their blog that mentions it in the "Bon Voyage Manny" post, 3rd paragraph down. And now they say it's 23-1, which makes much more sense. Then again, Manny could be considered #24.

http://www.t...5/index.html

fascinating...i always through he and lugo were buds...wow, Lugo's an even crappier guy now...what a dick

I don't think that shows that Lugo is a dick. I think it shows how sick the team was of Manny. Plus, we don't know how this poll was conducted. If Lugo was with three other guys that voted for a trade, I could see him waffling, then voting with him. He isn't a strong presence on this team on or off the field.

voting with them^

Tony Maseroti said it perfectly in an interview on SportsCenter. On the field, Manny is one of the best hitters ever, let alone one of the best Red Sox ever. But off the field, he's one of the worst Red Sox ever. This team desperately wanted him to go. The players demanded that he go. I don't have any disdain or dislike for him. I probably wouldn't boo him in a Sox/Dodgers game. But he had to go.

On paper, the Red Sox got a little worse today. And Brandon Moss could have been used to trade for some much needed bullpen help. But Manny simply had to go. Fantasy baseball wise, Manny for Bay is a horrible deal. But so wasn't Garciaparra for Cabrera in 2004.

Oh a wholeheartedly agree...i just bothers me to see multiple sox fans (or those who claim to be) turn on him... All of the sudden Manny being Manny isn't ok anymore...its one thing to never like him, another to see he's a good ballplayer but know he's a jackass, but to turn on him after years of talking him up...its just rude, and those fans (and you know who you are) just aren't real fans...

I think it's sort of a straw that broke the camel's back thing. Before the last few days, his antics have been tolerated. People hated him in 2006 when he took September off, but they win the World Series in '07 so they keep they tolerate it.

Manny being Manny is A-OK so long as the Sox are being winners. If this team had been winning the past week or so while this was going on, people would be fine with Manny and his BS.

And you have to hand it to the Red Sox, they know how to use media leaks (like this 24-1 stuff) in order to make exiting players look bad.

Now I'll disagree with that...And you have to hand it to the Red Sox, they know how to use media leaks (like this 24-1 stuff) in order to make exiting players look bad. that's a classless thing for an organization to do...and I've rooted for organization who do it...

How is that classless? I call it good PR. They don't do it to every player. They didn't do it to Pedro, or Lowe, or Arroyo. They did it to Nomar. They're doing it to Manny. The Packers are doing it to Favre. You dump a popular player like this, you want to sway people that what the team did is right.

"Battered women. Sounds delicious, doesn't make it right"

Oh.

that's right...respect the metaphor...

the important thing here rawb is...

While I don't like the way the sox went about turning the fans on him, I don't blame them

Perhaps the chemistry was really that bad. Perhaps the sox know more about the bay move than I do (probably). But numerous sox fans turning on manny now...not after numerous other antics, but now, is what annoys me...its not you, but its others...others who 2 weeks ago said "manny being Manny" and now its "goodbye manny"

I don't really get it. I wouldn't want to eat a woman, unless a certain adverb were included in the sentence. And then, battering would make things weird and too messy.

And that's more of a proverb than a metaphor, isn't it?

its a metaphor in relation to the red sox situation...

I get where you're coming from. People turn on players very quickly here. Both ways. If Jason Bay goes 15 for his first 25 in a Red Sox uniform, people will love him for months, even if he hits .050 in a playoff series with 4 errors.

so what you're saying is, JD Drew still sucks?

I guess it is a metaphor. My head is worn out today from blogging. Broken toe+the Manny situation. Wrote 7 posts for my blog, and did a Pac-10 preview for my friends' site.

wow... well...well...i checked mlbtraderumors.com like 100 times at work today...booya!

A lot of people are withholding credit for JD Drew's season. They did it with Beckett last year until about this time of the season. Hell, Pedroia didn't catch on as a big fan favorite until this season.

And for all the crap Julio Lugo takes, Jacoby Ellsbury can get away with murder because he won everyone a free taco.

My thing is that no one is getting on the BoSox front office for their failure to control Manny from the jump. They let Manny be Manny for too long.

I think the Red Sox front office took the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. Manny was pulling his crap ever since he set foot in Boston. But since he set foot in Boston, they made the playoffs 4 times, and won 2 World Series.

Any Red Sox fan who tells Manny good riddance is either remarkably dumb or born after the 2007 World Series. If they can't recognize he basically brought and helped the franchise into one of its greatest periods, they suck.

The whole thing with Red Sox controlling Manny or letting it go on for too long...I don't know. Manny's an adult, it's not like he's a little kid who can go in time out (they probably could have done this in some form, but chose not to). It's not like in football, where the coach has a more direct influence on the players (ie: the Bengals and Marvin Lewis). Could they have disciplined him? Yeah. Would it have drastically helped? I doubt it. There's only so much you do to a grown man.

Jacoby Ellsbury can get away with anything because he's a rookie (He'll get bettah! I sweah!) and has charmed the pants off of every female (and some male) Red Sox fan. Not someone making 10 million a year who looks like a rodent.

The one part of the Manny deal I'm not a fan of is giving up Brandon Moss. For my money, he's better than Ellsbury.

and considering Moss sucks, doesn't say much for Ellsbury, does it? Moss won't even start for Pittsburgh next year, that's how bad he is.

And that's based on what, Kelsdad?

That I know more about baseball than you?

Sure you do, Kelsdad, sure you do. Like that Papelbon guy... Francona has NO faith in him. You called it.

Faith as a STARTER, which is true.

Nobody's right 100% of the time, Rawb. Lucky for me, I only have to be right 2% of the time to know more than you.

See ya later.

Doing a little revisionist history there?

Kelsdad, I know your baseball experience, and there's no doubt you know more about the game than I do. But that doesn't mean shit in an argument. If you have a reason why you think Brandon Moss won't be a good player, even if its just a gut feeling, then fine. But an argument supported by "because I know more than you" is pretty hollow, and extremely childish. At least you're consistent.

And don't worry, one day you'll reach that 2%. Just keep trying.

about the same as he's always felt about the braves...hopelessly optimistic?

He'll come up with some way to say it was a vote of confidence for the young team. That they didn't need any help.

It'll be weird when the announce the lineups, and Manny isn't behind David Ortiz. They have become so synonymous with each other...other than that, it feels relatively normal. Peaceful, almost.

there's some weird rotational system to it...not sure how it works exactly other than all divisions eventually play each other... problem is meg...Manny's an FA after this season...so its more possible than you think...wait till he's wearing pinstrips next season (hahaha)

Duh, I'm wicked smaht. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he re-signs in LA. They are literally getting him for free this season (Boston is paying rest of his '07 salary), it just seems like LA fits his style. And this also assumes Nomar will be there.

Pinstrips? What are those? New York would be a homecoming...wouldn't surprise me...then you'd have all the "Oh my Gawd! He's a traitah just like Jawny!" fans. Ugh, my ears are already starting to bleed...

There's not spot for him in NY that I can think of...Damon, Matsui, Abreu and Cabrera, though a trade of Cabrera could happen any type i suppose...and one of 'em will DH...

And Giambi will be gone at 1st. Wouldn't that be fun, watching Manny Ramirez in the infield...

that's a forgone conclusion...the yankees have a lot of money to spend this offseason

They control Cabrera though, don't they...where's he end up...and for what?

Speaking of which...think the Yankees make a run at Burrell?