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Kurt Warner

Posted by The Ironman Jeff Garcia

707 days ago

When it is all said and done for Kurt Warner, would you consider him to be an NFL Hall of Famer?

Discuss.

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PeanMajor Leaguer

707 days ago

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in the NFL?

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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and Pean, you didn't even get nominated for commenter of the year?!

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PeanMajor Leaguer

707 days ago

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ha...there's been lots of tears man.

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Anonymous Fanatic #1

707 days ago

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Or on the earth?

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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer

707 days ago

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It is foreseen that Warner will be enshrined in the Grocery Bagger Hall of Distinction. Much to the delight of Brenda.....

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LASportsblogAAA-er

707 days ago

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If your the demon, shouldn't your avatar be Jim Rome?

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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I'd give you more plusses if i could...both of you...

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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When it is all said and done for Kurt Warner, would you consider him to be an NFL Hall of Famer? Yes, Brenda will scare them half to death to force her little Kurty Wurty to Ohio.

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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I think Warner's 99 season deserves a spot...

but the player? Absolutely not...

then again, Tony Romo did make the pro-bowl last year, so we'll have to wait and see...

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KelsdadAll-Star

707 days ago

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Should he? No. Will he? Yes. After all, this guy will as well.

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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Ok, i think my repuation as a anti-pats fan has been made clear...

but to suggest that Tom Brady doesn't make the hall is ridiculous...

Assuming Brady wins the SB this year (and even if he doesn't), he'd have the most SBs as a QB...if he has 4, he's at least as good as terry bradshaw...and Bradshaw is in the HoF and his statistics are very good at best...

QBs have gotten in on much less than brady...

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KillingpabloJV Squad

707 days ago

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We can all hope that Jessica moves from Tony to Tom and ruins them both.

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Falcon02520Legend

707 days ago

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Kelsdad is just stirring up some controversy... he must be ready to debate again... BOS vs NY

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KillingpabloJV Squad

707 days ago

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Tom Brady will make the hall of fame because he was lucky enough to play on the best overall team in NFL history. Hell, if Rex Grossman was the QB for NE we'd be talking about him getting into the hall. Insert any QB in the league right now to replace Brady and you still have a winning team and that QB gets in the hall. Disgraceful.

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KillingpabloJV Squad

707 days ago

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What's to debate about Boston vs NY? They both suck ass.

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Falcon02520Legend

707 days ago

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suck compared to who?

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KillingpabloJV Squad

707 days ago

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Suck compared to anywhere else in the world.

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The PipDiv-I Stud

707 days ago

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No QB with multiple SB wins has been left out of the HOF. Your brady argument is sad. You could make better not HOF worthy arguments about Manning and Favre than you can Brady. Besides, it's the NFL HOF debates are not the same because they let anyone borderline in. It's not as selective as the baseball HOF where the arguments are actually good as to who should be in/out.

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KelsdadAll-Star

707 days ago

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That's true. And the Patriots are so good they would have won multiple Super Bowls with Pee Wee Herman as their quarterback. You Brady lovers give this guy too much credit. The dude won the professional career lottery going to New England. He could of just as easily ended up in Tampa or Arizona and none of us would have ever heard of him.

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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer

707 days ago

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Cuz the Patriots before Brady were just fantastic.

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The PipDiv-I Stud

707 days ago

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Brady won 3 super bowls with some of the worst WR's! Before this season he never had a legit #2 receiver never mind a #1! Why do you think they scrapped all their wideouts and start over this year? Because bray sucked and needed people who catch his Tony Eason-esque passes. You are a fool that knows nothing about football.

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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You are a fool that knows nothing about football. whatever happened to a diplomatic disagreement...you can disagree all you want, but I don't like when people do that (even if I've done it, i'm attempting to make a conceited effort not too...success is still undetermined at this point ; - ))

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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I actually think Troy Brown was a very good receiver.....hmm...yeah...everyone else was really bad. That's what he has that Peyton Manning doesn't, the ability to work well with average receivers.

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Falcon02520Legend

707 days ago

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AL: Raw comes in with the knock-out punch

John: BOOM!

AL: Lets see if Kelsdad can counter...

John: BOOM! BRET FAVRE!

AL: uh... John?

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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Well...Manning has put up terrific numbers with great receivers...then he put up respectable numbers with guys like Wayne and Clark, who, IMO are good, but not great (wayne is also overpaid)

Brady did the same thing, but in reverse...surround him with spectacular talent adn look what happens...

at the same time, Manning never had a corps that was quality talent 4 and 5 receivers deep (Lets face it, Stallworth is a legit #2 receiver sitting at 4, Washington is a #3 placed at #5 and special teams and Gaffney is truly a #3)...

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The PipDiv-I Stud

707 days ago

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Guilty of the fool comment, but he's just being a dick and not saying anything that resembles any display of football knowledge. I was harsh but I'm calling him out on his lack of knowledge. If he's going to bait at least have some meat on the hook.

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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He's a Jets fan, he knows everything about Super Bowl winning QB's like Joe Namath and.......

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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(Insert Seahawks joke here)

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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And how many Super Bowls has Philly won lately?

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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Hey, I'm a closet Colts fan (Manning), and was born and spent 7 years in the Bay Area (Young). I think I know what it feels like as far as Super Bowl and Hall of Fame QB's.

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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I dunno...so...are you still a supersonics fan?

god damn it, i forgot the disclaimer (because i knew you were gonna do that)

of course you had to write lately because you knew the eagles at least had some championships...

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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Yes, way back when Van Brocklin was playing. I dunno, are you still a Sixers fan?

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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yeah, I'm just imagining the sixers in the next few years...you?

And Van Brocklin is the only QB to defeat the Lombardi packers in a championship game...

still, some old championships is better than none...

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KelsdadAll-Star

707 days ago

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The Patriots won their Super Bowls because of their defense, not their offense.

Sorry, Pip, but you're the one who doesn't know anything about football.

Dumbass.

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Falcon02520Legend

707 days ago

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If defense wins championships, isn't that how all teams have won their Super Bowls?

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Davis21wylieMVP

707 days ago

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Total yardage isn't exactly the greatest measure of offensive/defensive ability, but we actually ranked higher in total offense than total defense in two (2001 and 2004) of our 3 SB seasons...

http://www.p.../years/2001/

http://www.p.../years/2003/

http://www.p.../years/2004/

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The PipDiv-I Stud

707 days ago

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Don't bother him with facts, he's not interested.

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KelsdadAll-Star

707 days ago

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I was referring to the actual games (Super Bowl) themselves, Davis. I'm aware of their (and his) regular season numbers.

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Davis21wylieMVP

707 days ago

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Even looking at the Super Bowls, it's not really a slam-dunk that we won them entirely with defense... In all three, the other team gained more total yards in the SB than their seasonal YPG averages. Against St. Louis we forced a lot of big turnovers, so you can definitely say that we won that one with D, but there's no way that we won XXXVIII with defense -- Carolina put up 387 yds and 29 points after averaging 321 and 20, respectively, during the season. Our offense (481 yds!) totally won that game for us. Against Philly we forced turnovers and held them below their scoring average, but also gave up 369 yards. So while you can say that we won 2 of the 3 with defense, it's definitely not a open-and-shut case... I'll give you XXXVI and maybe even XXXIX for the turnovers, but the offense carried the day in XXXVIII.

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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick

707 days ago

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JuT..what is you obsession with bashing the Hawks?

Last I checked, both of our trophy cases look like this:

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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well since SSR keeps bring up how the seahawks seem to always beat the eagles, i have to defend it...

but the eagles have multiple championships...

and if world series count before the days of desegregation of the MLB, then those championships count just as much!

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False ProphetAll-Star

707 days ago

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How goddamn stupid are you Kelsdad? "He could of just as easily ended up in Tampa or Arizona and none of us would have ever heard of him." $1 million says not even Joe Montana in his prime could succeed with this year's dolphin's team. It's true for everyone, minus Marino to a certain extent.

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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick

707 days ago

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multiple championships in what?

They have 2 NFC Championship rings and 0 Superbowl rings. Yes, there are Championships in '48, '49, and '60...but does anyone count those anymore?

I understand the standing up for your team (seeing as how I need to defend my team every day). Just having a fun back-and-forth...do we need to move this to the Lockerroom and have a "TB and Manny" fight?

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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you're a fraud AoEH... are you really even scared of Ed Hochuli?!

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KelsdadAll-Star

707 days ago

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But nobody will have gotten in with less.

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Falcon02520Legend

707 days ago

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who says he is done now?

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KelsdadAll-Star

707 days ago

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With less means Brady's talent.

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KillingpabloJV Squad

707 days ago

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Brady has talent. He can love a goat like no one else. Look Brady is a great QB. He is. But the way NE is set up right now anyone could take over his spot and look great. If Brady went to any other team, say he and Favre switched spots, I think Brady would look like crap. Peyton and Favre right now are way better QBs than Brady.

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LASportsblogAAA-er

707 days ago

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Jamel, step away from the goat.

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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer

707 days ago

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Either Kurt Warner was a better QB for longer than you remember or, you need to wake up.

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KillingpabloJV Squad

707 days ago

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O look. It's the minus king. Glad to see you still haven't grown up yet Manny. I'm with you on Warner being a good QB-- better than Brady.

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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Killingpablo, what is the matter with you? The minus king you are looking for is Tyrone Briggs. And the minus you just got for that comment came from me.

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The PipDiv-I Stud

707 days ago

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Satan called, Warner's contract stipulates 1 Super Bowl win only, not Hall of Fame.

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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Dan Marino is screwed then eh?

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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Oh wait, Marino made it. I meant Randall Cunningham.

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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you wanna talk about someone who did more with less...

exhibit A, Randall Cunningham...

and no, Mike Quick doesn't count...

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SSreportersLegend

707 days ago

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If Art Monk can't get into the hall of fame, but Warner can, then the world has ended.

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LASportsblogAAA-er

707 days ago

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I think the joke was more specifically that Kurt Warner sold his sole for 1 Super Bowl, not every guy who ever made a super bowl sold their soul to the devil

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KillingpabloJV Squad

707 days ago

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I'm sick of this argument.

Brady is a good QB but he isn't as great as people make him out to be. Tony Romo will be a guy who plays well all season long only to choke like Jessica did when she sucked my.... Manning and Favre are 10X the QBs of these guys.

Warner in the hall- why not

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The PipDiv-I Stud

707 days ago

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Again if you are a QB and have multiple super bowl wins you get into the hall. (plunkett's the only exception) Not everyone with one 1 is in the hall. Call me when Favre or Manning win their second and then you talk about them in the same league as Brady.

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False ProphetAll-Star

707 days ago

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Pip, that's a bit too far. Brady>Favre is unwarranted. Favre has thrown more TD passes than any other QB in history. He's won a super bowl, and he's coming close if he hasn't already broke the passing yards record. Favre has to be spoken of with the likes of Montana, Elway, Marino and Young.

As for Brady, I'd say the correct point to make about him is that he's on his way to being mentioned in that group (ditto Peyton), but I'd still say they're both still on the outside looking in.

I'm not gonna touch the Warner debate because you either think he's in, or he shouldn't come near making the hall.

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JuTMSY4Legend

707 days ago

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FP is right...Favre is almost Marino with a ring...

Favre has rarely had the kind of talent guys like Montana, and Elway had (and when he did, he won the SB)

Brady's 3 current SB rings are on a similar manner to favre's in that he never had major talent around him ( a good line and a good RB in Dillon)...

If Brady wins a 4th (likely) he's definitely a top 5 QB, if for no other reason than having 4 rings (which puts him, at the very least in Bradshaw territory), but he's starting to get great numbers...so when all is said and done, if he has a few more seasons even close to half of what he did this season, he'll be argued as the best...

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False ProphetAll-Star

707 days ago

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Thanks Ju, I can't even feel certain saying if Manning and Brady were to die in a plane crash today that either of them could be called HOFers. But provided they both play decently for another 6-7 years, I think that'll change

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KillingpabloJV Squad

707 days ago

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Pip this is by far the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site. That the number of rings a QB has makes him better than other QBs with only 1 or none. I will always go on the record saying that Tom Brady is a great QB; however, he hasn't YET proven himself to be better than Manning or Favre. Let's talk in 5 more years. Who know's?, maybe Brady will marry his goat this offseason, and be stronger than ever becoming the best god damn QB in the world... of course until the goat dies and all his powers disappear.

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LASportsblogAAA-er

707 days ago

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Does Kurt Warner get into the NFL Hall of Fame? He doesn't have my vote. He's had a solid career and he had the weapons that brought the best in him out while playing with St. Louis. We was also plaing with St. Louis during his personal physical peak. I'm not touching Brady, other then the tuck rule I don't really have a beef. He's got a high football IQ and understands how to mask whatever negatives he has by maxing out his teammates abilites and potential. Much of Brady's sucess comes from being a smart quarterback bottom line. You can't knock his smarts. And obviously he has some serious talent because I've watched him the years before this one adjust throws to revievers who couldn't sperate and adjust drops and reads to benefit what time his O line can give him. I don't like the guy, but I respect him as a QB no doubt.

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