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I Urge You To Watch Costas Now

Posted by SSreporters
560 days ago


UPDATE: Video 1.

I've never been so infuriated by words from another guy like Buzz Bissinger.

We missed the live edition, but I urge you to join me in watching Costas Now (if you have HBO) because it involves the state of sports media, the rise of internet blogging, and the rise of sports media.

I say this because apparently last night Buzz Bissinger just went on an all out assault on Will Leitch of Deadspin fame. He discredited everything blogging and questioned his 40 years of writing experience, when a blogger on Deadspin used the word that rhymes with runt.

Bissinger also called out Leitch, saying he was "full of sh*t".

He just went off, and Leitch did not attack back, which I applaud because that would've meant more fuel to the fire, considering that Costas and Bissinger were talking about the mean-spirited tone of the internet.


Go on, because basically you're looking at a perfect example of why MSMers are angry that they are the ones being pushed out of the way.


I also urge you to read this post, also because Oh No Romo commented on there.

Forget putting our opinions and breaking news in, let the jealous as heck pros handle it. Isn't that right Chris Mortensen, who erroneously reported Eli Manning would be out for the season with a shoulder injury?

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Steel TownDraft Pick
560 days ago
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The comment that compared the Blogosphere to the music industry was dead on. I find myself wondering everyday, why I still get the newspaper. It's full of old news, I guess habits are hard to break (besides, when I read the paper my wife leaves me alone)
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Haha, why don't you just subscribe to like 50 newspapers?
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KelsdadAll-Star
560 days ago
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Really? What's your secret?
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
560 days ago
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Oh wow, I get a name mentioning. I'm not exactly sure why, I was only venting. (But I still want to be better than Bissinger)
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MegECass110AAA-er
560 days ago
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I really don't know what Costas' problem is. I think he just has a giant stick up his ass, and he refuses to realize that bloggers deliver some of the most unique, interesting, funny, and intelligent perspectives on sports. ESPN has tried to do this with ATH and PTI, and has done it pretty well (I think). But in the end, who the fack cares about how we get our sports knowledge? It doesn't have to be from ESPN, it can be from the New York Times (who has some excellent sports blogs, BTW), AGM, wherever. It only really matters to the old-school journalists like Costas who don't like different perspectives. Costas, by the way, HAS HIS OWN SPORTS RADIO SHOW! I admire him a lot, but get off your high facking horse and accept the fact that sports doesn't have to be as serious as other journalistic endeavors. It can be and is in some mediums, but it doesn't have to be.

I shall now invoke the favorite drunken phrase of my roommates and I: "I like (insert alcoholic beverage here), and (said alcoholic beverage) likes meeeeeeeeeeeeee"

"I like sports, and sports likes meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

I'm in a ranting mood today, aren't I?
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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right on meg...actually, sports radio was the first level of that movement... but you're explanation of the paradigm is dead on IMO
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Cougar2000All-American
560 days ago
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Rant away, kid!
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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If you're job was being done by people who had less experience, education, notiriety, etc than you, you'd be pissed too

What's really happened is that we now hold those guys to a higher standard...bloggers are the whores of writing...a new level of beat writing that not only circumvents the old world but allows people to actually state their opinions (for shame in legitimate writing)

But let's face it...I wanna read things like PFT because its really quick, easy news...

any asshole can put his ear to the ground and find rumors, but some people can do that faster...better and more effectively

The people who realize the movement aren't complaining though...they're imbracing it...as a chance to expand their field...

Let's face it...their's probably a good portion of hacks who currently write for numerous levels of media that I not only consider, but am actually a better writer than...you guys just get to see my less focused writing...

Not to toot my own horn (though I obviously am), Academically, I'd own a lot of those guys...
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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phew...that was fun...
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MegECass110AAA-er
560 days ago
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You're so right about people less qualified doing your job. At the same time, those people aren't getting paid nearly as much or earning the kind of respect and trust journalists earn from sources and one another. If Will Leitch and Costas walked into a clubhouse together, who'd you think would get respect?

Personally, I can't hate on Costas, because he's good, he's smart, and he's from Syracuse. I'm sure there are others in the sports media community who feel the same way, but just don't say anything.

I know I'm a good writer, and no one is going to stop me from writing about what I love or enjoying the content on AGM written by all of you lovely people.

Vive le revolucion!
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MegECass110AAA-er
560 days ago
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I'm totally supposed to be studying for finals, but this is too much fun...
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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If you click the link I have to the first video, Wilbon is complaining about credentials. If it's mainly your opinion you are writing, why do you need credentials?
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Eh, if you're offended, it's probably true. Don't defend Leitch - he's just as big a douche as all of them.


Anyone who wants to be a journalist is a douche to begin with - from Costas to Leitch to an Armchair kid dreaming of being the next Sports Guy - they are turds who couldn't cut it athletically so they resorted to their nerdsome selves. They aren't bigger fans, they are know-it-all blowhards who think their voices matter.


Guess what? You're all wrong. Journalists and bloggers are dorks. Chicks dig the dudes that MAKE news, not report it...


Journalists are people who supposedly watch something and then paint a picture of it with words - too bad the extremely severe majority of them (pro journalists AND bloggers) paint their pictures like a slow 4 year old doing color-by-numbers with three colors and eight numbers.


Show me a kid that dreams of growing up wanting to be a journalist and I'll show you a kid that gets beat up by the kids that want to be football, hockey, basketball and baseball players.


If Costas was truly as smart as he tries to believe he is, he'd start a show called "American Blogger" and play the Simon Cowell role...
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Look up Reggie Rivers please...former NFL player, special teams player of the year, and a journalist.
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Still a dork.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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And you are?
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Having a conversation with a dork.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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So let me get this straight.

I'm an automatic dork if I write about the sports I like?

Even if I'm a swimmer, bike rider, basketball player and touch football player, as long as I want to write about it I'm a dork?
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MegECass110AAA-er
560 days ago
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As a chick, I dig the guys who make news. I also dig the guys who are really passionate about their work, love sports, like to write, and work their asses off to get where they want to go, all of which classify many successful sports journalists. There are plenty of douchebags, of course, but what job doesn't have its share of douchebags? If that means I love dorks, and that I am a dork, then I am the proudest facking dork on the planet.
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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No, you're a dork whether you write about it not, SSR. It's not my fault you can't face that fact.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
560 days ago
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Not that I agree with CS, but claiming to be a touch football player may make you a dork.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Whatever. Bite Me CS.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Who cares? I play both...it's just that when we vote for tackle vs. touch touch always wins....
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Steel TownDraft Pick
560 days ago
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So, are we to understand that anyone who doesn't play a professional sport is a dork? Cause my job involves writing technical manuals, part descriptions, proposals, terms and conditions and the like, which is the most boring writing on the planet. At the end of the day, I find it hard to believe that my job defines me. Weak people let their occupations define them.
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TrizzAll-American
560 days ago
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Sorry SSR...touch football is nothin to brag about
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Didn't I say I play both, I just put in an example.
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KelsdadAll-Star
560 days ago
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Amen to that!
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Part of having an "opinion" is understanding other people will have them too. If you treat other people's opinions as fact, you shouldn't be pretending to be a journalist.


Look, bloggers are to sports journalism what home movies are to Hollywood.


If you have such incredible wordsmithing skills and the ability to craft descriptive images with adjectives and you WANT to be in journalism, you're a fool. If you CAN write, write for the ages; write books. Journalism is made for today and then it's GONE.


And if you think your blogging is important even though you aren't going to games and getting quotes in the lockerroom, WATCHING the game firsthand, remember that you get ALL of your information secondhand from pro journalists.


Bloggers, like REAL journalists are ONLY as good as their sources. Everything else is just posturing, hypocrisy and straight up "bullshitting". That's what dive sports bars are for, not the internet.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Psst...not all bloggers are wanting to be journalists.
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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So bloggers blog for the "cool factor", fame and the revenue?


If you write poetry and prose, you're a "poet".


If you make music, you're a "Musician".


If you write a journal (or "log") on the web (or "web log"), you're a "journalist".


If you are blogging, WHAT are you wanting to be? A doctor?
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MegECass110AAA-er
560 days ago
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Psst...not all bloggers consider themselves journalists. Even those who want to be journalists (like me) use blogs to creatively write and practice writing in general. Why would I want to write a fictional book when the world around me infinitely more interesting than anything I could dream up in my mind?
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Since when is blogging a profession?
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Meg, who said anything about fiction?


"Not all bloggers consider themselves journalists"???

Not all murderers consider themselves guilty either.


Call yourself whatever you want but if you keep a journal, you're a journalist.


This is Costas' - and all the other REAL journalists' - point.


People that don't realize what they are doing are trying to do something they don't realize how to do. And they are doing it shamefully, embarrassingly - and worse yet - anonymously with no real-life repercussions.


It's not just a matter of sports, it's a matter of society.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Then we're all journalists as long as we (for the girls) have a diary or something like that.
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Other than the medium - What's the difference between a diary and a blog? You probably talk about your crushes LESS in your diary.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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A blog is shown to the world....
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Good point, Anne Frank.


Or perhaps a "diary" is merely given a jacket and a price tag and called a "memoir"?
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Anne Frank? They discovered that crap once she died! What is she? The bravest journalist of our time?
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MegECass110AAA-er
560 days ago
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For my work on here, I consider myself a writer. I don't get quotes, I don't talk to the coaches, I just talk about sports and things that I'm passionate about. I tell personal stories. I bitch about the Red Sox. I openly express my love for whoever I choose. Is there journalism involved? Absolutely...checking facts, getting stats, etc.

When I am at school, I am a journalist. I've been in the locker room with a mic in my hand, I've produced a television show, and that's what I eventually want to do, which is why I admire what Costas has done. There's a certain thrill involved in being able to tell people what went on, and having others rely on you to be accurate.

So there ya go. I'm a journalist. Happy?

By the way, if I become famous, I will embrace the blogosphere wholeheartedly because of the unique and entertaining content it provides.

Taste my pain, asshole.
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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OK, how about the Gospels in the Bible journalling Jesus' life?


They didn't find them until they were all dead. And that's the "crux" (pun intended) of the best selling book ever.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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There is one problem... Has it been confirmed? Is it just fiction? Is it real?
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Meg, "embrace the whole"... when you deal with "unique and entertaining content" like some anonymous cyberstalkers digging up your personal information and posting it and your first hate club is slandering your work and alleging that you commit crimes against nature let's see what you'll say.

It's ok to be naive and dream big dreams - it's a much greater talent to understand the realities you haven't encountered as being a likely possibility. The rest of the world is NOT like you or Armchair - most of the world is bullshit.


"If you become famous"? So what. You're gonna change who you are because other people know who you are?


BTW - Calling people "asshole" will probably speed up that whole process...
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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yeah...i heard about this one creepy cyberstalking website about some hack in chicago

what was his name...

hmmm?
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MegECass110AAA-er
560 days ago
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Believe me, I've been through enough personal bullshit that you will never understand to know that life isn't fair, ever, and you have to fight like hell to get through it.

If I become famous, and some anonymous cyberstalker talks about what a shitty job I'm doing, I'll take it with a grain of salt. Who said I was going to change who I was? The opinion of one guy shouldn't garner much attention, but when it's something that gets a lot of agreement from a lot of people, then I deserve to be called out on it.

Fortunately, I don't take myself very seriously. I take my work seriously, but if I make a dumbass mistake, I can laugh at it, fix it and move on.

I called you an asshole because I get really mad when people start crushing people's dreams. Because mine, on a basic level, are coming true and I've gone through so much, I know that hard work does get you very far, maybe not where you want to ultimately be, but it does take you a long way. You don't know any of these people...what gives you the right to tell people what they want to do is bullshit?
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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"what gives you the right to tell people what they want to do is bullshit?"

The same right as every "blogger" - thanks for proving the point of the story.


Look. For every rule, there is an exception, and for every exception, there is a rule about to be made...


I'm not crushing anyone's dreams - quite the opposite. I'm showing the examples that most of the people that "blog" AREN'T dreaming of being good journalists, yet they have the same voice and an audience and are diminishing the value of journalism.


Across the "blogosphere", people who can't even spell are spewing mindless froth and believing in their minds that they are GOOD. They are hateful, they are crude and they are damaging reputations for what? Their own "fame"?


You have a culture of leeches, Leitches and scumsuckers THRIVING off of the filth and trash about people's personal lives WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS.


That's fine if you're not one of them, maybe you don't report the bullshit; but by extension and association - how are you NOT one of them?


Like I said in my first comment - if you are offended that Costas thinks it's wrong that bloggers can do whatever they want and say whatever they want with NO credibility, you're probably guilty.


When EVERYONE does it, then NO ONE does it well. A rising tide floats all boats, but what happens when the tide rushes back out?
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Steel TownDraft Pick
560 days ago
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Manny???
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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if by manny, you mean jamel...then yes, its manny
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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CS, you don't get it. We've become more reliable than MSM themselves. And define credibility because the serious bloggers have everything journalists have save for access to players and whatnot.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Sorry, not finished. Those who can't spell or write properly get ignored!!! The blogosphere is large but not that many will get the attention they deserve.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Back to the main topic.... Why the name calling from Bissinger?
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Davis21wylieMVP
560 days ago
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Because the blogosphere is so "mean-spirited" and he's not a hypocrite at all...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
560 days ago
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It's kinda like when the music industry calls us thieves. Instead of embracing the digital music revolution, they fought it. Now they find themselves on the wrong side. Sure they still get the big bucks, but the interwebs are eating into their precious profits.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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I think you need to show him your 100 greatest QB's article.
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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who says the music industry is fighting it...the recording industry maybe...

Trent Reznor, Saul Williams and Radiohead seem to be imbracing it just fine...

They see the opportunity...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
560 days ago
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your right Jut, that is why I said "faught" not fighting. Bands not named Metallica wised up and saw it as an oppotunity to run the show themselves. No more listening to the recording industry. They release what they want, when they want and how they want. It basically cuts the bloodsucking middle man out.
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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they're still pissed about it

I think the actions in Hollywood will be much more interesting...

It doesn't take a lot of capital to cut an album

but to make a big production movie requires a significant amount
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Steel TownDraft Pick
560 days ago
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Agreed about Hollywood and the movie industry. But, much like MP3's there is a serious loss of quality when it comes to free media. Rolling Stone recently interviewed Radiohead about their latest album and the digital medium, they seem to be embracing the freedom it allows them. I forget what the article had to say about Reznor.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Before I return fire again: How much sarcasm was in these comments of yours CS?
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Return fire?


You're standing in the blaze, pal.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Of Captain Sarcastic's comments? Yes.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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You're here on ArmchairGM discussing sports, what the hell does that make you? A dork?
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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Who's discussing sports?


Seems to me that this is a glorified bitch session because your feelings were hurt by someone else's opinion.
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SSreportersLegend
560 days ago
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Not this thread, the others I know you've commented on, and they are sports related.

I guess we're all just dorks in reality.

Time to separate the athletes from the rest of us.

Planet 1: Jockula

Planet 2: Dorkoid
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Davis21wylieMVP
560 days ago
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Ever read a Bill Plaschke column?


Go ahead, I'll wait.


And we're the ones doing it shamefully and embarrassingly?
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Tmil42AAA-er
560 days ago
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There's wisdom in this Red Sox fan. His comment is eternal.
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
560 days ago
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CS, you might make your points here and there and that's fine. If you want to call me a douchebag because I want to be a journalist, then say it to my face!!! Otherwise, I'm done with this crap!
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
560 days ago
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How many bloggers would say what they blog about to the faces of the people they rip??? Huh?


That's exactly what the Costas story is saying!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
560 days ago
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I actually agree with CS's sentiments in this one comment. I have a sports blog because I like to write my opinions. Occasionally I look at other people's blogs, and some (not all) are riddled with semi-threatening language toward another team's players. More often, the language is very threatening toward another user of the site. But most of these people: bloggers, commenters, trolls, et cetera would be so star struck by any athlete; or so terrified by any real person, that they'd zip their lips in a face-to-face encounter.

Then you get into the whole credibility thing. BostonDirtDogs.com once published a story about Nomar Garciaparra refusing to accept his 2004 Red Sox World Series ring. It turned out that the story was fabricated by someone in an effort to see just how loose DirtDogs was with their fact-checking.

Blogs are perfect for opinions, discussions, arguments, and stuff we can all come up with on our own. But as for a news source, I'll take the AP, Reuters, the NY Times, and all those other old media dinosaurs because they have to be accountable in order to exist. Blogs, on the other hand, don't have to be accountable.
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TrizzAll-American
560 days ago
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Point for the sarcastic guy
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Davis21wylieMVP
560 days ago
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I would also take old media for straight-up news, for unbiased information. I think all of us would. But as far as newspaper columnists go, they write opinions -- often poorly, often ignorantly. These are the dinosaurs who have become completely unnecessary in the post-internet world, because we don't need a Jay Mariotti or a Terrence Moore to give us their opinions on sporting events and athletes. We watch the games ourselves, we have access to the stats, we have the quotes and unbiased news reports... In other words, we have the raw materials available to form our own opinions, and we don't need someone else to form those opinions for us. Someone like Woody Paige's voice should no longer be more influential than yours or mine, and that's the issue I have with Costas/Bissinger and the old media's insistence that they remain in place as gatekeepers.
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JuTMSY4Legend
560 days ago
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Credibility is a fine line...as is fact checking, ask dan rather...

You're right Rawb, when I wanna know some facts regarding current events, etc...i go to AP, Reuters, etc

But a lot of the news today isn't factual per se...they're rumors...

CNN practically reported the Fed rate cut of .25 yesterday as fact...except the fed hadn't released it yet. And While analysts are typically close if not dead on in the issue, they have a certain reponsibility to ensure the public understands the info as speculation (see the previous .5% rate cut, which CNN analysts inaccurately predicted as .75 to one full point)

But along those lines, they're reporting speculation...just like when people speculate when teams meet over trades...There's very few ways to know when a team is talking to another team beyond a few phone calls and it doesn't really matter...but people want to know if the pats are in talks to acquire this person and for what and with who...even if it turns out not to happen

Bloggers do this better

As far as Davis's point regarding opinions...I think there is a certain level of quality to high level writers that will probably take years to hash out...People like Bill Simmons...who, if nothing else, is an excellent writer (and blowhard who's wearing on my) are proving that quality writing skills and playing to the public will move you up

The old guard will, if nothing else, die off...and the new rising crop will come this way...at least until the next thing

besides, the internet is a fad anyway
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
560 days ago
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But I think a lot of people out aren't as smart as us, and are getting their news from blogs (or the Daily Show), which usually present a piece of news wrapped around the blogs' opinions. But I suppose that isn't the blogs fault. And television news is one of the most useless modes of media ever devised. Cable news stations are essentially highly polished blogs that are broadcast on TV with commercials, fancy graphics, a false sense of credibility, and of course: NO SPIN.
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CrackajgDraft Pick
560 days ago
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I dunno about you guys but I get 15 cents a week from my blog, so I obviously do it for the money.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
560 days ago
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That's hilarious. I was just checking my AdSense account a few minutes ago. Made like 3 cents off it today.
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