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Grow up people!

Posted by The Beast
145 days ago


EDIT by SSR: This thread is a train wreck flame-war. Comments are closed.


I haven't been the model of consistency and frequent posting/editing here at ArmchairGM so I am not in the best position to start openly criticizing the users here. However, I do find myself wondering what the hell happened here at ArmchairGM.com. It seemed like just a few years ago this site was a booming place for sports discussion. Now, it seems like just a ghost town. Seriously, it's easier to find user wars in the lockeroom and in the comments section than regular sports talk. I know this call has been echoed before, but please just put your personal differences aside and stick to sports chat. It'll be better for you and in the end, better for the future of ArmchairGM. If you have a problem with somebody, just ignore them. Seriously!

Image:Armchair.gif This user is an ArmchairGM fan.




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RomiezzoLegend
144 days ago
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Hey Beast. I'm not alone here. This is what I've been trying to say for... ever.

Let me say this: why are people here? Really... why? I've been thinking about it. People have come and gone, come and gone and came back and left again... it's just stupid.

People who are still on here (I'm not going to mention any names) have said that people have "moved on with their lives". Guys like Christof, I am a cpcp, Niteowl, Falcon02520/DAndrew have just "moved on". I don't buy that. I'm sure that every once in a while, all the guys who have left still look at ESPN.com or watch Sports Center once in a while. AGM was better than that and offered something ESPN couldn't: actual conversations with people who discussed more than 3 topics a day (different topics as well).

ArmchairGM was rising up... big time. Its creativity never ended... and that's what users loved while on here. Even guys like Peter Gammons checked this site out. Now, it's lost its popularity (gee, I wonder why). And I feel like I'm saying the same shit over and over again (well, I am... but still)


Ignoring would be the logical thing to do, Beast... but the thing is, it's too late for that now. There's too much tension between people who are on here and who were on here. For the rest who just left because they "moved on", good for them. They probably made a good choice... for now.
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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That "ignoring" thing may be the right thing to do but how realistic is that? Group think and group action doesn't work for everyone, especially uninformed users.


Christof, I am a cpcp, Niteowl, Falcon02520/DAndrew


....Are really busy. Christof is a lawyer. Cpcp left because of the Manny/Tyrone fighting (I think it was him). Niteowl left to write for Jay the Joke because Manny and supposedly False Prophet both "criticized" oen of his articles. Falcon...I dunno.
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RomiezzoLegend
144 days ago
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Is there going to be an excuse for every user who leaves, SSR? Sure, there is always a reason... but what do they all have in common? [At least] One of their alternatives is better than doing something for AGM... which is my point.
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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Think about that Romi.


AGM to me is a little bit of a passing fad. Have you ever been to the SB Nation blogs? You could make the case AGM was one of the pioneering websites for broad sports discussion and eventually other sites came along and are thriving.


It's not an excuse to me. We all have many more important things in out lives and cutting away from it by going on a computer to discuss the DH rule us not always in the cards.
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J HossLittle Leaguer
144 days ago
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SSR - it has been brought to my attention that you have no idea what you are talking about.

It seems the three users you mentioned as having left are all still in semi-regular contact with said user "Manny Stiles" - yes, CPCP, NiteOwl and Falcon have all held e-mail convos with the one you cast blame upon... It has also been brought to my attention that several contributing users (including one you have prominently mentioned) have left ArmchairGM directly because of YOUR actions and others have stated directly it was because of the nagging criticisms in article comments of a particular know-it-all user from the Boston area (I know, I know... which one?)

I know for a fact that few people enjoy having every little nuance being picked over while the rest of their effort is unappreciated. Perhaps positive reinforcement goes further than bitching and annoying?

Perhaps focusing your positive reinforcement in the direction of people who CAN generate quality articles, content and ideas and people who drive traffic, conversations and recruit more users is more important than correcting minute facts, disrespecting people's opinions and ruling the community with a 'one-size-fits-all' mentality?

Regardless of why people leave, wouldn't it be wise to consider - I know this is a stretch for you - making the experience for the current users a pleasurable one instead of a lame-riddled drag? Politics, semantics and beligerence from know it all site scout raiders and immature administrators seems like behavior that would be reserved for another forum NOT revolving around the realm of sports.

There is a way to not only keep people here, but also to bring more too... Big Hint: What's not fresh is stale... Small Hint: it doesn't have to do with banning content-providing users who can generate new material, new ideas and quality sports banter constantly.

Biggest hint of all: Stop living in the past, stop assuming you have your finger on the pulse of a community that is constantly evolving and not a solid entity and move forward with supporting your positive contributors.


When you eliminate the fun, guess what happens?
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
144 days ago
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Home Depot give you the day off today stiles?
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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You've now been warned publicly and there's a private message for you.


Lay off a bit, okay?
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
144 days ago
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because he got the day off from Home Depot and is now harassing you, i get warned?


yeah, ok
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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I understand what you're trying to do but let's not go down this road and make it worse, okay?


You got any sports knowledge to spill on our several articles?
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
144 days ago
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What Road? I'm just calling a spade a spade. You act like this is the first site Stiles has ever caused trouble on.
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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Really? Which ones besides Jay the Joke?


This is only strengthening our points that AGM is just a flame thread waiting to happen.


It's the road that helps complicate this whole situation dealing with him.


Just lay off a bit. This is your final chance to walk away or else our job as admins becomes a lot more difficult and you and Manny will both be in trouble.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
144 days ago
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"You got any sports knowledge to spill on our several articles" Judging by the content, alot more than the people who wrote them.
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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Oh knock it off man.
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Tmil42AAA-er
144 days ago
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I didn't leave. I'm just never around because there's really not that much to discuss, other than the infighting among most of you. I like to comment on stuff and have semi-civil conversations with other people. But when the only thing going on are these sorts of conversations, I'd rather just not waste my time. And so I've been coming around less and less often.
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The BeastAAA-er
144 days ago
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Okay, but why not try and post an article. At least Romi or SSR will provide some intelligent comment.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
144 days ago
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"

Manny Stiles is a racist back stabbing asshole accusing me of lying about my ethnicity.

And many on this fucking idiotic website believes him.

This prick has trolled my comments for over a week. And NOT ONE GODDAMN PERSON HERE intervened. NOT ONE.

And when I defend myself? Yeah, I now definitively know EXACTLY what kind of pricks post here at ArmchairGM.

Don't be a dupe. Think for yourself. Unlike anyone else here that actually believes a word from Manny (Erik Kombol) Stiles.

Gotta go to the hospital today. Specialists need to run tests on me to see if I'm compatible to my son.

Some things are MORE IMPORTANT than this bullshit site and that bastard Stiles."

None other than ArmchairGM site aficionado - Tyrone Briggs
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
144 days ago
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Yawn...

Is this what you call "pwning"?

Better get back to the drawing board, sport!

Again, I ask... what have you done of any significance around here? Oh yeah... trolled and posted pornographic images. Kudos, champ! I sure would have liked to have as many warnings as you've had... I got NONE before I was banned.

Perhaps Tyrone would like to comment on your quoting his comments from a year and a half ago? I wonder what he'd say to you. Hmmm? Why don't you message him for me since I can't message other users with this ban. Eh, fack it! I'll just e-mail him back!

I don't know why you're so obsessed having me work at Home Depot. I do enjoy having you make an ass of yourself. Actually, I'm working as a professional DJ and freelance magazine writer under ***get this*** a "pen name" (shocking, I know) - published in several magazines already this summer (you've even heard of some of them!) and I'm doing pretty well for myself lately but I could always use a few extra bucks... maybe I should look into a part-time job there! An employee discount would be sweet, Thanks!

(If you're gonna try to "get to me" at least know what the fack you are spouting on and on about. Oh, whoops! I forgot I am talking to a regular user, spurned by his unrequited Manny love using a fake user name based on requesting fellatio from a community of mostly teenage boys in this forum... what was I thinking?)

P.S. - You could probably acces a computer at home depot, too. Duh. Every single store has one available for it's customers' use - and amazingly, they don't block AGM despite the [ offensive materials and pornography]! Plus, all of their summer plants are on clearance right now! Anyone who knows me understands my plant obsession! What a deal!


A note to SSR - I appreciate you clearing the Capt. but unfortunately I won't rest until Sports Shaman has his name cleared. He is a fine, karmically aligned person and it pains me that he has been persecuted for being associated with my name. He is a real person. He lives in Sedona, Arizona and has absolutely no interest in ever contributing here again but because I will feel bad if he isn't cleared and free of this mess, I must do what I do best and that is annoy and irritate the powers that be until the situation is rectified. I hope you understand.

If you want to trade another of my user names to block in exchange for Sports Shaman's freedom, as a token of good will, I offer you Surly Optimist. Fair enough?

As for You Know Who - obviously, continuing the ridiculous and unneccessary ban on that user name has no effect on my actions; at least no positive effect. It doesn't even slow me down. So why are you guys being so beligerent and pigheaded about it? Because you have to be? Because the site is "better" without 'Manny Stiles'? Because I'm not more likely to be 1000% more irritating and annoying and frustrating this way? Or because FP can't admit he was wrong?
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Surly OptimistLittle Leaguer
144 days ago
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Take me as your hostage and free Sports Shaman. He's old and frail and I'm young and brave and willing to tolerate your torture chamber of banishment! Ya bastards!
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SSreportersLegend
143 days ago
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You asked to be banned. We didn't do it. You continued to harass other users. You got what you asked for.


Sports Shaman is unblocked.


HJ, I've warned you enough so take a 48 hour break.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
143 days ago
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Thanks. I'm happy now!

(Do you really "need" to have me figured out? Jeez... You sound like my wife!)

See ya around.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
143 days ago
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Seriously, thanks!

Out of curiosity. Why do you waste your time blocking the IPs when you know I can keep getting a new one? Relax, man. I mean no more harm to you.

FP - on the other hand - still has to explain why he banned Manny Stiles without warning for "insults" (was he offended by the word "turd"?) then called me an "asshole" on the block log. Why can't he just admit that it was personal? It's ok to be wrong, FP... you've done it enough times to know that by now.

Just apologize and do what's right and we can all have peace and harmony!
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False ProphetAll-Star
143 days ago
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I've written an entire LR post that you commented on manny about why I blocked you. There were other admins who supported the ban, and frankly you were warned. People asked you to cut the shit out, and you didn't.

What's right is for you to go away until your block is over, and to not continue to avoid it, to not attempt to screw with other users accounts (read mine), and to accept that like it or not, the admins decided that even if Manny didn't need a break from AGM, AGM needed a break from manny.

It wasn't originally personal. I still had some respect for you. Then you messed with my account, started calling me a Nazi, and started wasting everyone's time with your garbage LR posts. You're not original, you're not creative, you're not clever.

If you're hoping to get unblocked at any point (not just at the end of the current one), this sure as hell ain't the way to do it. Cut the attitude, cut the trolling, and take a break for the rest of your ban and be thankful that your continual desire to avoid the ban hasn't earned you a longer one.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
143 days ago
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"You're not original, you're not creative, you're not clever."

Ha-ha!

Why would I care if bother unblocking me? You dumb ass... have you noticed how well it's worked for you so far? I can do everything I want but vote and +/- (sooooo what?), I can't comment under Manny Stiles (just means the the other over-commenters will pass me on the all-time list quicker and no one can "Ignore" me as an Anon), and I can't message other users (but considering I can log in to any of my remaining user names, yes I can!)

But as long as I'm focused on harassing YOU over this baby bullshit, why would I bother to waste a smidgen of energy adding anything positive to this site?


So. You gotta ask yourself. What are you proving, FP?

Nothing.

What am I proving? You are a dumb ass. I probably would have went away forever after Davis unblocked Captain Sarcastic and Sports Shaman. But you HAD to block them again. Moron.

Yes, I "messed" with your account (and it was damned funny, especially reading your pitiful account to everyone in their e-mail - that's right. It all got forwarded to me, too.). Yes, you are a nazi, you are drunk with authority and you plan on eradicating anyone you disagree with or can't control. It's my absolute duty as the person I am to defy you as long as you feel the need to "attempt" to control my voice, my opinions and my freedom - because if you'll try to do it to me, you'll do it to others too (see:Captain Sarcastic, Sports Shaman)

I don't know how to say it any more clearly: Remove the unjustified, unwarned (PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE show me WHERE you warned me, because you made NO COMMENTS and you came out of the black to ban me that night) and ridiculously lengthed (NO LOGICAL EXPLANATION for the 55-day length... NONE.) ban and maybe I'll play nice with you?? You jumped the gun because you couldn't WAIT to! It WAS personal and you PROVE it with this comment...

The funniest thing is you think you're insulting me with "You're not original, you're not creative, you're not clever." - coming from such an original, creative and clever being as yourself... I can ONLY take it as an extreme compliment.

You get what you give...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
143 days ago
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Okay, let's see. So now only Romi and SSR will be available to offer intelligent comments. That's cool. They both did comment on my last two articles, which garnered a grand total of 11 comments. For two articles.


Are you all sure you want to beat this dead horse? All this chatter about people writing, and when someone writes an article or two (as I did), there's nothing. I got 5 votes on my last article. Did it really suck ass that freaking much? That it wasn't even worth consideration?


I can take a hint. My articles clearly are not the top thing on this site, or else I'd see more than 11 freaking comments on two articles. That won't stop me from writing, and it won't stop me from bitching about THE LACK OF COMMENTS. Let me say that again: LACK OF COMMENTS.


Seriously, if you thought that "How do you solve a problem like J-Roll?" sucked major ass, then tell me so. "Hey, SJ, on one or two occasions in the past, you've written some semi-literate drivel that was almost worth reading. Here...I'll throw you a bone and make a comment." Was that so hard?


I don't see FP commenting on my articles...ever. Occasionally, I'll get Romi and SSR, and more often than not, I'll get Rawb. Which is good, because, in my mind, if it weren't for Rawb, there would be almost NO comments on this site.


Stop complaining about the lack of content on this site. Stop, unless you are prepared to do something about it. 11 comments? on two articles???? Even if there are only 10 active users of this site, if everyone made 1 comment....well, you do the math.


Comments breed comments. Rawb comments, I try to reply. Same for Romi and SSR. Maybe they answer back. Bingo. Suddenly, we've got a conversation. If Romi, Rawb, Me, SSR and FP all comment on the same article...well, we don't want to go there.


I apologize to FP for calling him out, but he wrote this post, and I felt that I needed to mention the lack of comments in general and the lack of comments from FP in particular. I've said this more than a few times: COMMENT! And if you don't - stop complaining about the site activity. If you don't comment, you have become a cause of said lack of activity.


People, shut me up! Make some comments! Tell me my song parodies suck. Ask me where I get these stupid ideas. Otherwise we'll just have another LR post like this one.
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False ProphetAll-Star
143 days ago
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i didn't write this LR post ;)

I really should comment more. However, I'm kinda trying to take a pseudo-break from AGM (even if this whole fiasco wasn't happening I would still be having to do this - I've got stuff in the real world to work on and even when I'm contributing useful stuff, this site is a massive time suck for me).

Tell ya what, I'll work on a template that works as an RSS feed for articles by users that I know produce good/entertaining stuff (even if we assume the j-roll song parody is a pathetic excuse for an article it's relatively amusing/creative) and go there instead of to the home page when i stop by here.

And i'm cool with you calling me out. I feel like i have to defend myself against the drivel that certain users are saying about me when i see it, so i waste time commenting in the LR instead of on articles
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
143 days ago
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FP, I'm really sorry about that. Please chalk that up as frustration coupled with foot in mouth disease. I truly am sorry. I know you've done a lot of behind the scenes work for this site, and we should all be grateful for that. And thanks for commenting on the J-Roll article. It's probably better to tell me that it was bad than not to comment. At least telling me that it was lame will prevent me from doing something like that again.


FP - I can't apologize enough. Sorry about that.


I guess I should encourage Beast to comment more, but now I'm afraid of what will come out in my comments next.


Folks, I stand by what I said. Please comment. Pretty please?
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JuTMSY4Legend
143 days ago
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tisk...shameless promotion
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False ProphetAll-Star
143 days ago
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dude its fine ive been kinda bad at commenting. I thought hte j-roll article was ok, but the real value was in the humor of the parody. since im commenting on this again, im gonna go comment on something else.
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KelsdadAll-Star
141 days ago
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"There were other admins who supported the ban,"

That's a good point, one that requires support, I believe. I know of at least two admins who were not in support of Manny's ban, and of one who actually removed it.

So here is what should happen next:

How many admins total are on the site..active and inactive?

How many actually voted, and how did they vote? (and name names)

Was there enough for a quorum?

Whether Manny is here or not isn't the point. He wasn't arguing/debating with himself, and he wasn't the only one to cross the etiquette line, why was he the only one banned?

The new users don't care I'm sure, but some of the oldtimers, active and inactive, probably would like to know exactly how this came about.
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55 DaysLittle Leaguer
141 days ago
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Exactly. What did the "ban" actually end up doing? And why 55 days? Makes no sense!
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RomiezzoLegend
141 days ago
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Okay... I'm going to say this just like someone who's just been caught by their loved one right after having an affair.

"It... just... happened."

This really wasn't organized well at all, and it was just just agreed (or disagreed) as time went by. It wasn't really a vote... it just happened, and we debated. Then we just stopped, since things were looking a little better than before, on the site.
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People PeoplePee Wee
141 days ago
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"It... just... happened." I wonder if that's what Steve McNair would have said too.
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JuTMSY4Legend
140 days ago
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Steel TownDraft Pick
140 days ago
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Win!.JPG
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Steel TownDraft Pick
140 days ago
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Well, that sucked.
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SSreportersLegend
140 days ago
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Any blogspot image URL put into comments doesn't really work all that well.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
140 days ago
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CheezerAll-Star
140 days ago
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Is this what you're looking for

COTD That comment is definitely the comment of the day!
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CheezerAll-Star
140 days ago
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or maybe this?

That comment is a
Hidden Gem
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SSreportersLegend
140 days ago
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This is mentally draining, something as simple as Manny stepping over the line (as well as HeywoodJablome, whom was banned a few days ago for a short time) for months on end, has turned into a gigantic drama-filled turdbomb.


I'm just getting the impression that only Manny Stiles can do whatever he wants with the community watching and get away with it. I'm getting the impression that despite Davis, myself, FP, and Justin all warning Manny to quit quarreling and attacking with several users (mainly Rawb), that Manny is just being Manny when clearly someone, say, Jamel would've gotten the heavy banhammer.


Manny asked himself to be banned (scroll down the locker room) and now he's bitching about it? This attention-seeking crap is dumb.


Obviously it's okay only for Manny Stiles, 55 days, or whatever he calls himself, to (while banned may I add):


  • Change another ADMIN's log-in password on purpose.


  • Call that same ADMIN a nazi and an idiot over and over again.


  • Write several lockerroom posts specifically attacking said ADMIN.


  • Randomly make derogatory comments towards other users.


  • Create several accounts while banned a la Jamel.


If you want Manny unbanned despite me mentioning all of this, then go on. It wasn't handled in the greatest way in the first place and it won't be handled in the greatest way when he's unblocked.


If the website becomes MannyGM all because the real people in charge aren't here, where it's okay for only 1 user to do what he wants, say what he wants without being questioned, then so be it.


And if you also think that "just ignoring Manny" is the solution, then Pnatt, Jamel, and 09dillb should all be unblocked so we can "ignore them".
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Steel TownDraft Pick
140 days ago
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I would think changing another admins password would lead to a permanent ban.
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SSreportersLegend
140 days ago
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Another user agreed with me but I think changing anyone's password (admins and founders especially) is highly vindictive.
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55 DaysLittle Leaguer
140 days ago
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For the love of GOD... I didn't "change" his password.

When you log into your account, if you hit "new Password" it sends a new password to your e-mail address. I've done it to myself on accident several times before so I know EXACTLY how it works. It still allows you to use your old password. It was done as a joke - tby me to mess with False Prophet and yes, I STILL think it's hilarious how big a deal he and SSR turned it into.

The point is, whether or not I wrote a lockerroom piece about "ban me" or not (read the whole thing, don't judge it by the title), I WAS un-banned unfairly, unwarned and for a ridiculously long time - for instance, more than twice as long as Donte Stallworth paid for KILLING SOMEONE! - because of PERSONAL issues with a mere three users here at AGM. Rawb, SSR and FP are the people to blame for this mess - and to a lesser extent JuT and whoever needs to hide behind HeywoodJablome (clearly another AGM member with multiple accounts)

Point is - if you douches would stick to sports instead of making me your minus target, your barometer for nuisance and arguing magnet, THIS SITE WOULD BE JUST FINE. As stated before - I give what I get - it's why Romi and Cheezer and Erooster get my utmost respect and support, it's why DDub and KD get my deepest analytical insights, why constant producers like Trecole, BigBen and LouGehrig get my positive appreciation and why users like Tmil, ONR, AOEH, LASB and the like get my smart assed comments.

It's why FP, SSR and Rawb get my unadulterated utter nonsense. they blame me for things they are responsible for...

Deragatory comments? SSR - how black is the kettle?


And because these people can't handle a world where people are different than themselves, who see things the way they are instead of how they "think" they are and need to control every nanosemantic statement tat this site has been driven into the Hall of Lame that it has become - because NO ONE is willing to bother to fight their behavior.

There is TOO MUCH negativity and needless comments. There is not enough support or positivity or ***GASP*** here I go again -FUN - around here... but I'm the one who got banned... OK?

Am I an irritant? Sure. Do I make a mockery out of "one size fits all rules"? Absolutely every time.

Deal with it. I'm simply different than you are, so don't paint MY picture with your narrow minded brush.

This is the same thing I said for the past several months... blah, blah, blah... No fun.

Thanks for reading - Manny Stiles
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SSreportersLegend
140 days ago
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You don't care about minuses. And it's still a dick move to give someone a "new password".


Do what you want.


You're the almighty figure of MannyGM.



I'm not going to place much more effort into keeping you in check. Your version of fun is a world where 95% don't think for themselves and agree with every little thing you do and say whilst making a mockery of the 5% that actually do.


I don't know about you. But Rawb, FP, myself, and several others are doing our friggin hardest to churn out quality articles instead of deal with your attention-grabbing ways.


You do everything you once criticized Jamel and initially Tyrone for and think it's okay because you're the untouchable Manny Stiles. I suggest you stop living in the past.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
140 days ago
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Oy. Manny, if you respect this site or anyone on it, please stop doing this. If the 55 Days username will allow you to post content, then please do so. If you truly are through with this site, then, please end this. You're not doing yourself or the users who post on this site any favors.


I miss the long, thoughtful articles that used to be found on this site from Manny Stiles. I may not have agreed with all of the content, but I was rarely bored by it. I miss the insightful comments and reasoned arguments Manny Stiles presented. I don't miss the sniping and deliberate attempts to get a rise.


If you truly love AGM, as you have said you do, set it free.
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
140 days ago
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You know what's the funniest thing?

You actually believe what you type.

"Do what you want." - Well, I'm glad I finally have your permission. Thanks.

Your 95%-5% accusation/corallary just proves that you don't even read what you minus. YOU are in the 95% of people that don't think for themselves, which is WHY you feel the need to minus everything I type. And a world where 5% of people that think for themsleves is not "fun"... it's hilariously optimistic!

This ain't about me getting attention. In fact it's quite the opposite. I don't want, need or even like YOUR (or Rawb's or FP's) personally slanted and non-objective attention.

This isn't about me being "almighty". I'm a contributor, NOT an administrator like you and FP. Never, ever, ever wanted to be, so what sense would it make for me to have power/authority issues?


"several others are doing our friggin hardest to churn out quality articles instead of blah, blah, blah..." - Really? How's that working out for you?

I don't live in the past... but as long as I'm banned I'm paying for sins I didn't commit. I don't want to live in a present or future where my (or anyone else's) freedoms are squashed because of personal agendas that continue without reason, without cause and as Romi even alluded... without a truly logical explanation.

It's been personal. It's still personal. Keep changing the focus all you want - if I was never banned (Banning me WAS a dickmove) then I would have never resorted to as you say "dickmoves". And you think that if you dared to "unban" Manny Stiles that it somehow would be worse than it is now...???

Huh?
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
140 days ago
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It's not about getting "a rise". It's about doing what's right.

This is not a game. This is real.

I can't be free until I am free.

I can't post articles or make comments or message other users with MY user name.

I'm not going to add insight, articles, thoughtful content or any other positive contributions unless it's on MY USER NAME.

It's how I roll. It's my comfort zone - and my comfort zone has been disturbed. This is my rebuttal to being wronged. No explanation. No warning. No respect for a long-time, contributing member of the community. If I can be treated this way, WHO IS NEXT???


As stated many times previously - I give what I get.

Want freedom? Tell FP to stop playing his silly, immature power trip games and give me MY freedom.
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False ProphetAll-Star
140 days ago
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stiles -

grow up, take you punishment like a man, and be thankful we're ignoring precedent and not extending your ban for circumventing the ban.

See you in august,

FP
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
140 days ago
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false -

Why don't you pretend to be a man and admit you were wrong, be thankful I'm not REALLY trying to make a mess/headache out of this situation and stop taunting me ("see you in august"?) with your evident disdain and jealous hatred for me?

See you tonight,

Your hero.
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False ProphetAll-Star
140 days ago
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oh and lets see if the public opinion has changed - Do you support or oppose the ban of manny?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
140 days ago
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Support. Rules are rules.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
140 days ago
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I'll support the ban if you can logically explain why I was banned and why I was banned for 55 days. Or why when JuT lifted the ban after a few days you reinstated the ban for another 55 days from that point...


Especially when the "reasons for banning" was "blocked "Manny Stiles (contribs)" with an expiry time of 55 days (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (insults, thread-hijacking, and generally being an asshole. We'll see ya when football starts again)"


"Insults, thread-hijacking and generally being an asshole" - False Prophet

This is WHY I was blocked???

Psst - How is calling me an asshole on the block log NOT an insult?

and you still cannot justify why I was never warned by you or any other Admin OR why the length of the ban was 55 days OR why it has any correllation to FOOTBALL!?!?! I don't give a rat's fack about football! YOU do.


It was personal. You let your emotions overrule sensibility and you jumped to conclusions that weren't there.


You were wrong. You continue to stand on some imaginary moral high ground in your beligerance and continue to be wrong about this issue.

Insults, thread-hijacking and generally being an asshole... You got some 'splaining to do, FP.


Support the ban with reason and I'll honor it.

Otherwise, I'm being the American Thomas Jefferson told me to be and defying this unjust action. If you do this to me, you'll do this to others. I'm a long-standing member of this community. I've added far more than I could ever detract and I'm being persecuted because a narrow-minded half-wit wannabe communazi with admin status, another admin who can't have a thought without typing it and a turd can't make it through a Manny Stiles comment without needing to understand and define me.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
140 days ago
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When someone turns a thread about sports into a thread about another user, that's thread-jacking. When someone consistently reverts to insults and calling other users "homos" or "gay" in an insulting way, it is a personal attack, as well as a form of hate speech.


Manny frequently utters the motto "I give what I get," which I think demonstrates his attitude toward this site quite succinctly. He only likes people who like him, only respects people who respect him, only loves people who love him.


I don't know about anyone else, but I like people who are likeable. There have been plenty of people I've liked who didn't like me, and plenty have liked me who I've disliked. I respect people who I see as respectable. George Washington, for instance. But George doesn't respect me, doesn't even know me. My like, my respect, my love, and so on are not contingent on reciprocation. But perhaps I'm the only one who distributes respect and love in such a manner.


Manny gives what he gets. He loves AGM when AGM loves him. When AGM is ambivalent toward him, he runs away from it with a flowery retirement. When AGM bans him, he terrorizes it.


His behavior during the ban thus far demonstrates his attitudes to this site and its users. He hasn't used his endless supply of IP addresses to comment on articles in a productive/constructive manner. He's tried to bog AGM down in his typical flame-war BS. His repeated mantras like (I'm paraphrasing) "I would have left had I never been banned" and "I'll only contribute when my username is restored" reeks of ultimatumism and the hardliner rhetoric you'd expect from a terrorist. He's terrorizing this site until he gets what he wants from it.


That's all I'm going to say in an open forum about my opinions regarding Manny and the ban. If you want to message me to discuss further, I'd love to engage in further dialog . I'm sure an insult laden tirade from Manny will respond to this comment, and quite frankly, enough space on this site has been wasted on the discussion of this particular user.
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Anonymous Fanatic #7
140 days ago
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I'm absolutely tired and worn out by your "he called me a homo/gay" argument. Consistently reverts - are you facking kidding me? I could care less that you're gay. If you're offended by the ramblings of a internet commentor, perhaps you need to start wearing big boy pants. Your other "classic" is "Manny goes on and on about how he played baseball" and your go-to material is "retirement".

You're lame, Rawb. Regardless of how much of a turd, how gay or how whatever you are. You live in the past, you think you know it all and furthermore, you think people actually care what YOU think.

AND you blame me for everything you feel guilty about. Always have done it, always will... because YOU can't face reality. Why you feel the need to blame me for your problems, I have no idea...we went through this before in private messages, remember???

I thought you just wanted to battle the "Great Manny Stiles in Your Head" since then it's become apparent that you can't let me be me and you can't stop thinking about me being who I am. Jealousy is a handicap, not a blessing, homey.

I guarantee you - YOU have said each of these things - "gay/homo", "retirement", "Brett Favre" - MANY more times than I have. And yes, you have "insulted" me as many if not more times than I have you... or at least attempted to "chump". I don't care what you think about me. That's not "ego", it's understanding that you're a random nobody I will never meet in REAL LIFE. But yes it does bother me that every time somebody pours their soul and energy into something, you are there to make sure the least important part of the message is entirely over-analyzed. It's weak, Rawb. Weak.

My brother -oh, yeah the brother who was died of AIDS and the same brother who I raised money for an AIDS charity because of -including but not limited to my foray with the Rays - was gay as in homosexual. He was by far my favorite brother. With a subject I dealt with all my life - WHY- WHY- WHY - would I be using "gay" as "hate speech" as you have generalized so many times. This makes as much sense as calling me a "racist" when I spent my entire teen years being raised by Mom's live-in boyfriend - a black man. Just because your gay, or black or a midget or a freaking alien or not doesn't mean I give a shit about you.

However - I DO give a shit about behavior. Because unlike the parameters of being - WE DO CHOOSE how we behave and act. THIS is why I give what I get.

It's NOT that complicated. It's just how I am.

See, this is also why I think you're a turd.

If you act gay or "non-heterosexual" it's called 'behavior' and for me to label behavior as I see it is no more wrong than you calling me "drama queen" or "_______" or "Brett Favre" so lamily time after time. Is it?

Get over yourself, get over YOUR ego in assuming I have one or that I might have the same issues in life as you - YOU don't know me, you only know what you assume. Get over your "use-them-when-they-benefit-your-situation" sensitivities that are only in YOUR head and maybe you'll realize that I ain't the monster that you wish I was.


My "attitude" thus far has nothing to do with my feelings towards this site or the MAJORITY of it's users. Ask them, don't assume because YOU think everyone is just like you.

My "attitude" is "doing what I feel is right". It's right for me to defy an unjustified, unwexplanable and unwarranted ban.

If you dipshits would just realize that - perhaps - just for a second - YOU are the problem, maybe there wouldn't be one!

But here we are... 3 people who can't move on and one banned user waiting, just waiting for you to get over YOURselves... emphasis on the "self"...

Do what's right for the COMMUNITY - for once.

Support the Community and EACH of it's contributors - not just a ban that supports your narrow minded interests or your need to add your worthless two Boston-centric cents to every article and conversation.

Get off Site Scout and DO YOUR WORK, you freeking trolls.

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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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Oppose. You guys overreacted to Manny when he was just "being Manny", and you've become so sanctimonious ever since that I'm opposing on principle. He was here before any of you, and it's unfortunate that he's not a positive presence anymore because of you.
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SSreportersLegend
139 days ago
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You guys overreacted to Manny when he was just "being Manny"


Sure. And Jamel was just "being Jamel". And Pnatt was just "being Pnatt."


Rawb I loved how you wrote 5 paragraphs supporting the ban and then you said "that's all I'm going to say".


Meh, sure unblock him. FP I told you the "being an asshole" should've never been put in there.


In other news, I will invite the guys from 4chan and Enyclopedia Dramatica to contribute to AGM since they're just being themselves.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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I don't think we should have banned them, either. The best way to deal with somebody you don't like is to ignore them. Then again, that would require some kind of self-control and ego suppression on your part, wouldn't it, to allow him to get that last word in there? And nobody can let that happen, you know?

It takes 2 (or more) to flamewar. You guys contributed to this just as much as Manny. You don't like what he says, you can either ignore him or respond at your own risk. But to stoke a flamewar and then cry foul when it gets too intense for you is ridiculous.
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SSreportersLegend
139 days ago
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The best way to deal with somebody you don't like is to ignore them.


The internet doesn't work that way. Ever. You can't apply that rule to every user or else ArmchairGM would be hell.


If there's a problem at hand you don't ignore it.


But what do I know? Manny's unblocked, I'm cool with it (I guess), but be careful what comes at you.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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WTF are you talking about, SSR? "Don't feed the trolls" is the only effective way to deal with someone you don't like. And you've been doing a hell of a lot of feeding, so don't give me that bullshit about the internet not working that way.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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"You can't apply that rule to every user or else ArmchairGM would be hell."

Right, as opposed to what it is right now...
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SSreportersLegend
139 days ago
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Well, a gigantic hell with more people and trolls worse than anything Manny can put up.


BTW interesting how your opinion changed in a few days.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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2 months is "a few days"? 2 months of you guys being as irritating and disruptive as Stiles in your troll-feeding attempts to force him off the site?
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SSreportersLegend
139 days ago
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What's done is done.


I'm mentally out of it and this was a BS ban because he just circumvented it.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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It's over now. Manny is unblocked. And if all of you know what's good for you, you will either contribute in a constructive way or just ignore each other's comments and/or articles forever. In fact, I don't think you should even communicate with each other at all from this moment on.
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RomiezzoLegend
139 days ago
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It's either over now, or it'll keep going back and forth like this until you guys realize that ArmchairGM is a site for people who want to talk sports.

I think it is said best when you register:

What's ArmchairGM?

ArmchairGM is the community for sports fans where you rule. Fans like you write and comment on articles and rate and vote on the best and worst things about sports.

Where who rules? That's right... you rule. The you is not directed to you, as in one you... it's pointing to a whole community who wants to talk sports. That's exactly what Manny Stiles wants. If you don't like it, ignore him. I can't emphasize on that enough.

Why does Armchair rock?

The ArmchairGM sports community is powered by passionate sports fans like yourself. You and your friends know more about the sports world than the so-called "experts."

I think we all know that Manny Stiles is passionate about sports and the teams and athletes he supports (sometimes too passionate). Even though he's passionate about what he detests as well, there's more good that comes into a user than there is bad. To me, another user in this community (whether it's one coming back or a new member joining) is just another mind for ArmchairGM to welcome. Plus, AGM has more potential for people to comment on articles with more members. And if there's spam, or something that doesn't pertain to sports, or something that we don't like... comment admins can always delete the comments, right? Everything else should stay put.

We are all missing the point of what AGM is. It's a website that is not only for me... it's not only for Manny Stiles, it's not only for SSR, it's not only for FP... it's not only for Davis... it's not only for Rawb: it's for everyone! When people check this website out, they should see a positive atmosphere in the articles that are produced and the comments that are provided... as well as the newly added Water Cooler (thanks again, FP, for another good idea).

I think we've all missed the point here. Let's just all do what the Beast said: grow up. I know people have crossed the line; I'm not going to remind people of who did what because I think we've all read it in lockerroom posts and comments about 100 times by now. Let's just all get through this and act as one positive community for a change...
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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
138 days ago
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My inability to let myself get the last word in is amazing...

For my next trick, I'll write a 10,000 word article that could have easily and more effectively written in 1,000 words and laud myself for being so pointlessly long winded.

And yes, my mom is just as ugly as your's, namely because I'm you and "we" (weird) have the same mom - dumbass!

why don't I PRODUCE something? Because I'm you dipshit. And I haven't written anything since I got banned. Instead if focused all my energy on FP, SSR and Rawb hoping to get unbanned in the pointless effort of still being completely capable of producing articles under a pseudonym. Something I never had a problem with before (Ekum, TooMannyStiles, etc). But my ego's so large, I had to do it this way. In fact my ego's so large there's room enough for me to argue with myself!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
139 days ago
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Template:Manny Stiles fans
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
139 days ago
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Son of a Sports Guy! It's been so long since I've commented it's like learning to walk all over again...
take #2:

#694 BAN Manny Stiles
from ALL things credible.
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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
139 days ago
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I've already banned myself from all things credible!
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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
138 days ago
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I thought I didn't care about minuses. Yet, I minused myself?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
138 days ago
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1) You "thought" - thinking will only get you in trouble.

2) You didn't minus "your"self. I minused you. Minusing yourself will make you go blind.

3) You could never be me, beat me or for that matter even beat me off. But you're more than welcome to stick your head up my ass looking to start shit. It only proves my point that people can't keep me out of their minds.

4) If you think you're within a light year of impressing me with your delightful brand of generic immaturity, good luck. If you think you bother me, try harder. PLEASE try harder! At least make it slightly entertaining!

5) Your user name is redundant and furthermore... dumb. But that's the kind of behavior I come to expect from the people who feel the need to be big dawgs in my fan club.

6) YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN...
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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
138 days ago
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I find it hard to disagree with myself. I seem to be making way to many assumptions - but then again, I know what happens when I assume.

I am who I think I am. I can't beat myself (unless I ran track or something - then I guess you're only competing against yourself. So maybe I could). And I do indeed beat off.

Generic immaturity is a trademark of Manny Stiles - so naturally the straw that broke the camel's back would have it too.

Never-the-less, am I boring myself?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
138 days ago
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That's the best you got? Seriously. What IS this crap? It's not witty, it's not even sniffing "funny" and it borders on someone who has unrequited love... (by "borders on" I mean "is drenched in fiery, unending")

Not even a "My Mom's just as ugly as yours" or "I have weak ego issues that's why I have to pretend to be Manny Stiles" or "I am addicted to self-proctology exams while fellating roadkill with my transexual uncle/brother"??? For shame.

I'm embarrassed for both of us. I can't even get a quality wannabe/hater around here?

There certainly IS OneMannyStilesTooMuch. But don't let that stop you. Keep it coming, champ! Have someone wake me when you PRODUCE something worth waking me up for.


until then...

SNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE.....

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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
138 days ago
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Clearly, I talk too much

My inability to let myself get the last word in is amazing...

For my next trick, I'll write a 10,000 word article that could have easily and more effectively written in 1,000 words and laud myself for being so pointlessly long winded.

And yes, my mom is just as ugly as your's, namely because I'm you and "we" (weird) have the same mom - dumbass!

why don't I PRODUCE something? Because I'm you dipshit. And I haven't written anything since I got banned. Instead if focused all my energy on FP, SSR and Rawb hoping to get unbanned in the pointless effort of still being completely capable of producing articles under a pseudonym. Something I never had a problem with before (Ekum, TooMannyStiles, etc). But my ego's so large, I had to do it this way. In fact my ego's so large there's room enough for me to argue with myself!
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RomiezzoLegend
144 days ago
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Hey Beast. I'm not alone here. This is what I've been trying to say for... ever.

Let me say this: why are people here? Really... why? I've been thinking about it. People have come and gone, come and gone and came back and left again... it's just stupid.

People who are still on here (I'm not going to mention any names) have said that people have "moved on with their lives". Guys like Christof, I am a cpcp, Niteowl, Falcon02520/DAndrew have just "moved on". I don't buy that. I'm sure that every once in a while, all the guys who have left still look at ESPN.com or watch Sports Center once in a while. AGM was better than that and offered something ESPN couldn't: actual conversations with people who discussed more than 3 topics a day (different topics as well).

ArmchairGM was rising up... big time. Its creativity never ended... and that's what users loved while on here. Even guys like Peter Gammons checked this site out. Now, it's lost its popularity (gee, I wonder why). And I feel like I'm saying the same shit over and over again (well, I am... but still)


Ignoring would be the logical thing to do, Beast... but the thing is, it's too late for that now. There's too much tension between people who are on here and who were on here. For the rest who just left because they "moved on", good for them. They probably made a good choice... for now.
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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That "ignoring" thing may be the right thing to do but how realistic is that? Group think and group action doesn't work for everyone, especially uninformed users.


Christof, I am a cpcp, Niteowl, Falcon02520/DAndrew


....Are really busy. Christof is a lawyer. Cpcp left because of the Manny/Tyrone fighting (I think it was him). Niteowl left to write for Jay the Joke because Manny and supposedly False Prophet both "criticized" oen of his articles. Falcon...I dunno.
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RomiezzoLegend
144 days ago
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Is there going to be an excuse for every user who leaves, SSR? Sure, there is always a reason... but what do they all have in common? [At least] One of their alternatives is better than doing something for AGM... which is my point.
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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Think about that Romi.


AGM to me is a little bit of a passing fad. Have you ever been to the SB Nation blogs? You could make the case AGM was one of the pioneering websites for broad sports discussion and eventually other sites came along and are thriving.


It's not an excuse to me. We all have many more important things in out lives and cutting away from it by going on a computer to discuss the DH rule us not always in the cards.
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J HossLittle Leaguer
144 days ago
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SSR - it has been brought to my attention that you have no idea what you are talking about.

It seems the three users you mentioned as having left are all still in semi-regular contact with said user "Manny Stiles" - yes, CPCP, NiteOwl and Falcon have all held e-mail convos with the one you cast blame upon... It has also been brought to my attention that several contributing users (including one you have prominently mentioned) have left ArmchairGM directly because of YOUR actions and others have stated directly it was because of the nagging criticisms in article comments of a particular know-it-all user from the Boston area (I know, I know... which one?)

I know for a fact that few people enjoy having every little nuance being picked over while the rest of their effort is unappreciated. Perhaps positive reinforcement goes further than bitching and annoying?

Perhaps focusing your positive reinforcement in the direction of people who CAN generate quality articles, content and ideas and people who drive traffic, conversations and recruit more users is more important than correcting minute facts, disrespecting people's opinions and ruling the community with a 'one-size-fits-all' mentality?

Regardless of why people leave, wouldn't it be wise to consider - I know this is a stretch for you - making the experience for the current users a pleasurable one instead of a lame-riddled drag? Politics, semantics and beligerence from know it all site scout raiders and immature administrators seems like behavior that would be reserved for another forum NOT revolving around the realm of sports.

There is a way to not only keep people here, but also to bring more too... Big Hint: What's not fresh is stale... Small Hint: it doesn't have to do with banning content-providing users who can generate new material, new ideas and quality sports banter constantly.

Biggest hint of all: Stop living in the past, stop assuming you have your finger on the pulse of a community that is constantly evolving and not a solid entity and move forward with supporting your positive contributors.


When you eliminate the fun, guess what happens?
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
144 days ago
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Home Depot give you the day off today stiles?
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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You've now been warned publicly and there's a private message for you.


Lay off a bit, okay?
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
144 days ago
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because he got the day off from Home Depot and is now harassing you, i get warned?


yeah, ok
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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I understand what you're trying to do but let's not go down this road and make it worse, okay?


You got any sports knowledge to spill on our several articles?
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
144 days ago
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What Road? I'm just calling a spade a spade. You act like this is the first site Stiles has ever caused trouble on.
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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Really? Which ones besides Jay the Joke?


This is only strengthening our points that AGM is just a flame thread waiting to happen.


It's the road that helps complicate this whole situation dealing with him.


Just lay off a bit. This is your final chance to walk away or else our job as admins becomes a lot more difficult and you and Manny will both be in trouble.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
144 days ago
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"You got any sports knowledge to spill on our several articles" Judging by the content, alot more than the people who wrote them.
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SSreportersLegend
144 days ago
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Oh knock it off man.
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Tmil42AAA-er
144 days ago
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I didn't leave. I'm just never around because there's really not that much to discuss, other than the infighting among most of you. I like to comment on stuff and have semi-civil conversations with other people. But when the only thing going on are these sorts of conversations, I'd rather just not waste my time. And so I've been coming around less and less often.
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The BeastAAA-er
144 days ago
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Okay, but why not try and post an article. At least Romi or SSR will provide some intelligent comment.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
144 days ago
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"

Manny Stiles is a racist back stabbing asshole accusing me of lying about my ethnicity.

And many on this fucking idiotic website believes him.

This prick has trolled my comments for over a week. And NOT ONE GODDAMN PERSON HERE intervened. NOT ONE.

And when I defend myself? Yeah, I now definitively know EXACTLY what kind of pricks post here at ArmchairGM.

Don't be a dupe. Think for yourself. Unlike anyone else here that actually believes a word from Manny (Erik Kombol) Stiles.

Gotta go to the hospital today. Specialists need to run tests on me to see if I'm compatible to my son.

Some things are MORE IMPORTANT than this bullshit site and that bastard Stiles."

None other than ArmchairGM site aficionado - Tyrone Briggs
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
144 days ago
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Yawn...

Is this what you call "pwning"?

Better get back to the drawing board, sport!

Again, I ask... what have you done of any significance around here? Oh yeah... trolled and posted pornographic images. Kudos, champ! I sure would have liked to have as many warnings as you've had... I got NONE before I was banned.

Perhaps Tyrone would like to comment on your quoting his comments from a year and a half ago? I wonder what he'd say to you. Hmmm? Why don't you message him for me since I can't message other users with this ban. Eh, fack it! I'll just e-mail him back!

I don't know why you're so obsessed having me work at Home Depot. I do enjoy having you make an ass of yourself. Actually, I'm working as a professional DJ and freelance magazine writer under ***get this*** a "pen name" (shocking, I know) - published in several magazines already this summer (you've even heard of some of them!) and I'm doing pretty well for myself lately but I could always use a few extra bucks... maybe I should look into a part-time job there! An employee discount would be sweet, Thanks!

(If you're gonna try to "get to me" at least know what the fack you are spouting on and on about. Oh, whoops! I forgot I am talking to a regular user, spurned by his unrequited Manny love using a fake user name based on requesting fellatio from a community of mostly teenage boys in this forum... what was I thinking?)

P.S. - You could probably acces a computer at home depot, too. Duh. Every single store has one available for it's customers' use - and amazingly, they don't block AGM despite the [ offensive materials and pornography]! Plus, all of their summer plants are on clearance right now! Anyone who knows me understands my plant obsession! What a deal!


A note to SSR - I appreciate you clearing the Capt. but unfortunately I won't rest until Sports Shaman has his name cleared. He is a fine, karmically aligned person and it pains me that he has been persecuted for being associated with my name. He is a real person. He lives in Sedona, Arizona and has absolutely no interest in ever contributing here again but because I will feel bad if he isn't cleared and free of this mess, I must do what I do best and that is annoy and irritate the powers that be until the situation is rectified. I hope you understand.

If you want to trade another of my user names to block in exchange for Sports Shaman's freedom, as a token of good will, I offer you Surly Optimist. Fair enough?

As for You Know Who - obviously, continuing the ridiculous and unneccessary ban on that user name has no effect on my actions; at least no positive effect. It doesn't even slow me down. So why are you guys being so beligerent and pigheaded about it? Because you have to be? Because the site is "better" without 'Manny Stiles'? Because I'm not more likely to be 1000% more irritating and annoying and frustrating this way? Or because FP can't admit he was wrong?
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Surly OptimistLittle Leaguer
144 days ago
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Take me as your hostage and free Sports Shaman. He's old and frail and I'm young and brave and willing to tolerate your torture chamber of banishment! Ya bastards!
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SSreportersLegend
143 days ago
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You asked to be banned. We didn't do it. You continued to harass other users. You got what you asked for.


Sports Shaman is unblocked.


HJ, I've warned you enough so take a 48 hour break.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
143 days ago
Score 0+-
Thanks. I'm happy now!

(Do you really "need" to have me figured out? Jeez... You sound like my wife!)

See ya around.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
143 days ago
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Seriously, thanks!

Out of curiosity. Why do you waste your time blocking the IPs when you know I can keep getting a new one? Relax, man. I mean no more harm to you.

FP - on the other hand - still has to explain why he banned Manny Stiles without warning for "insults" (was he offended by the word "turd"?) then called me an "asshole" on the block log. Why can't he just admit that it was personal? It's ok to be wrong, FP... you've done it enough times to know that by now.

Just apologize and do what's right and we can all have peace and harmony!
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False ProphetAll-Star
143 days ago
Score 2+-
I've written an entire LR post that you commented on manny about why I blocked you. There were other admins who supported the ban, and frankly you were warned. People asked you to cut the shit out, and you didn't.

What's right is for you to go away until your block is over, and to not continue to avoid it, to not attempt to screw with other users accounts (read mine), and to accept that like it or not, the admins decided that even if Manny didn't need a break from AGM, AGM needed a break from manny.

It wasn't originally personal. I still had some respect for you. Then you messed with my account, started calling me a Nazi, and started wasting everyone's time with your garbage LR posts. You're not original, you're not creative, you're not clever.

If you're hoping to get unblocked at any point (not just at the end of the current one), this sure as hell ain't the way to do it. Cut the attitude, cut the trolling, and take a break for the rest of your ban and be thankful that your continual desire to avoid the ban hasn't earned you a longer one.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
143 days ago
Score 1+-
"You're not original, you're not creative, you're not clever."

Ha-ha!

Why would I care if bother unblocking me? You dumb ass... have you noticed how well it's worked for you so far? I can do everything I want but vote and +/- (sooooo what?), I can't comment under Manny Stiles (just means the the other over-commenters will pass me on the all-time list quicker and no one can "Ignore" me as an Anon), and I can't message other users (but considering I can log in to any of my remaining user names, yes I can!)

But as long as I'm focused on harassing YOU over this baby bullshit, why would I bother to waste a smidgen of energy adding anything positive to this site?


So. You gotta ask yourself. What are you proving, FP?

Nothing.

What am I proving? You are a dumb ass. I probably would have went away forever after Davis unblocked Captain Sarcastic and Sports Shaman. But you HAD to block them again. Moron.

Yes, I "messed" with your account (and it was damned funny, especially reading your pitiful account to everyone in their e-mail - that's right. It all got forwarded to me, too.). Yes, you are a nazi, you are drunk with authority and you plan on eradicating anyone you disagree with or can't control. It's my absolute duty as the person I am to defy you as long as you feel the need to "attempt" to control my voice, my opinions and my freedom - because if you'll try to do it to me, you'll do it to others too (see:Captain Sarcastic, Sports Shaman)

I don't know how to say it any more clearly: Remove the unjustified, unwarned (PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE show me WHERE you warned me, because you made NO COMMENTS and you came out of the black to ban me that night) and ridiculously lengthed (NO LOGICAL EXPLANATION for the 55-day length... NONE.) ban and maybe I'll play nice with you?? You jumped the gun because you couldn't WAIT to! It WAS personal and you PROVE it with this comment...

The funniest thing is you think you're insulting me with "You're not original, you're not creative, you're not clever." - coming from such an original, creative and clever being as yourself... I can ONLY take it as an extreme compliment.

You get what you give...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
143 days ago
Score 3+-
Okay, let's see. So now only Romi and SSR will be available to offer intelligent comments. That's cool. They both did comment on my last two articles, which garnered a grand total of 11 comments. For two articles.


Are you all sure you want to beat this dead horse? All this chatter about people writing, and when someone writes an article or two (as I did), there's nothing. I got 5 votes on my last article. Did it really suck ass that freaking much? That it wasn't even worth consideration?


I can take a hint. My articles clearly are not the top thing on this site, or else I'd see more than 11 freaking comments on two articles. That won't stop me from writing, and it won't stop me from bitching about THE LACK OF COMMENTS. Let me say that again: LACK OF COMMENTS.


Seriously, if you thought that "How do you solve a problem like J-Roll?" sucked major ass, then tell me so. "Hey, SJ, on one or two occasions in the past, you've written some semi-literate drivel that was almost worth reading. Here...I'll throw you a bone and make a comment." Was that so hard?


I don't see FP commenting on my articles...ever. Occasionally, I'll get Romi and SSR, and more often than not, I'll get Rawb. Which is good, because, in my mind, if it weren't for Rawb, there would be almost NO comments on this site.


Stop complaining about the lack of content on this site. Stop, unless you are prepared to do something about it. 11 comments? on two articles???? Even if there are only 10 active users of this site, if everyone made 1 comment....well, you do the math.


Comments breed comments. Rawb comments, I try to reply. Same for Romi and SSR. Maybe they answer back. Bingo. Suddenly, we've got a conversation. If Romi, Rawb, Me, SSR and FP all comment on the same article...well, we don't want to go there.


I apologize to FP for calling him out, but he wrote this post, and I felt that I needed to mention the lack of comments in general and the lack of comments from FP in particular. I've said this more than a few times: COMMENT! And if you don't - stop complaining about the site activity. If you don't comment, you have become a cause of said lack of activity.


People, shut me up! Make some comments! Tell me my song parodies suck. Ask me where I get these stupid ideas. Otherwise we'll just have another LR post like this one.
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False ProphetAll-Star
143 days ago
Score 0+-
i didn't write this LR post ;)

I really should comment more. However, I'm kinda trying to take a pseudo-break from AGM (even if this whole fiasco wasn't happening I would still be having to do this - I've got stuff in the real world to work on and even when I'm contributing useful stuff, this site is a massive time suck for me).

Tell ya what, I'll work on a template that works as an RSS feed for articles by users that I know produce good/entertaining stuff (even if we assume the j-roll song parody is a pathetic excuse for an article it's relatively amusing/creative) and go there instead of to the home page when i stop by here.

And i'm cool with you calling me out. I feel like i have to defend myself against the drivel that certain users are saying about me when i see it, so i waste time commenting in the LR instead of on articles
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
143 days ago
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FP, I'm really sorry about that. Please chalk that up as frustration coupled with foot in mouth disease. I truly am sorry. I know you've done a lot of behind the scenes work for this site, and we should all be grateful for that. And thanks for commenting on the J-Roll article. It's probably better to tell me that it was bad than not to comment. At least telling me that it was lame will prevent me from doing something like that again.


FP - I can't apologize enough. Sorry about that.


I guess I should encourage Beast to comment more, but now I'm afraid of what will come out in my comments next.


Folks, I stand by what I said. Please comment. Pretty please?
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JuTMSY4Legend
143 days ago
Score 1+-
tisk...shameless promotion
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False ProphetAll-Star
143 days ago
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dude its fine ive been kinda bad at commenting. I thought hte j-roll article was ok, but the real value was in the humor of the parody. since im commenting on this again, im gonna go comment on something else.
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KelsdadAll-Star
141 days ago
Score 6+-
"There were other admins who supported the ban,"

That's a good point, one that requires support, I believe. I know of at least two admins who were not in support of Manny's ban, and of one who actually removed it.

So here is what should happen next:

How many admins total are on the site..active and inactive?

How many actually voted, and how did they vote? (and name names)

Was there enough for a quorum?

Whether Manny is here or not isn't the point. He wasn't arguing/debating with himself, and he wasn't the only one to cross the etiquette line, why was he the only one banned?

The new users don't care I'm sure, but some of the oldtimers, active and inactive, probably would like to know exactly how this came about.
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55 DaysLittle Leaguer
141 days ago
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Exactly. What did the "ban" actually end up doing? And why 55 days? Makes no sense!
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RomiezzoLegend
141 days ago
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Okay... I'm going to say this just like someone who's just been caught by their loved one right after having an affair.

"It... just... happened."

This really wasn't organized well at all, and it was just just agreed (or disagreed) as time went by. It wasn't really a vote... it just happened, and we debated. Then we just stopped, since things were looking a little better than before, on the site.
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People PeoplePee Wee
141 days ago
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"It... just... happened." I wonder if that's what Steve McNair would have said too.
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JuTMSY4Legend
140 days ago
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Steel TownDraft Pick
140 days ago
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Steel TownDraft Pick
140 days ago
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Well, that sucked.
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SSreportersLegend
140 days ago
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Any blogspot image URL put into comments doesn't really work all that well.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
140 days ago
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CheezerAll-Star
140 days ago
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Is this what you're looking for

COTD That comment is definitely the comment of the day!
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CheezerAll-Star
140 days ago
Score 0+-
or maybe this?

That comment is a
Hidden Gem
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SSreportersLegend
140 days ago
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This is mentally draining, something as simple as Manny stepping over the line (as well as HeywoodJablome, whom was banned a few days ago for a short time) for months on end, has turned into a gigantic drama-filled turdbomb.


I'm just getting the impression that only Manny Stiles can do whatever he wants with the community watching and get away with it. I'm getting the impression that despite Davis, myself, FP, and Justin all warning Manny to quit quarreling and attacking with several users (mainly Rawb), that Manny is just being Manny when clearly someone, say, Jamel would've gotten the heavy banhammer.


Manny asked himself to be banned (scroll down the locker room) and now he's bitching about it? This attention-seeking crap is dumb.


Obviously it's okay only for Manny Stiles, 55 days, or whatever he calls himself, to (while banned may I add):


  • Change another ADMIN's log-in password on purpose.


  • Call that same ADMIN a nazi and an idiot over and over again.


  • Write several lockerroom posts specifically attacking said ADMIN.


  • Randomly make derogatory comments towards other users.


  • Create several accounts while banned a la Jamel.


If you want Manny unbanned despite me mentioning all of this, then go on. It wasn't handled in the greatest way in the first place and it won't be handled in the greatest way when he's unblocked.


If the website becomes MannyGM all because the real people in charge aren't here, where it's okay for only 1 user to do what he wants, say what he wants without being questioned, then so be it.


And if you also think that "just ignoring Manny" is the solution, then Pnatt, Jamel, and 09dillb should all be unblocked so we can "ignore them".
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Steel TownDraft Pick
140 days ago
Score 4+-
I would think changing another admins password would lead to a permanent ban.
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SSreportersLegend
140 days ago
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Another user agreed with me but I think changing anyone's password (admins and founders especially) is highly vindictive.
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55 DaysLittle Leaguer
140 days ago
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For the love of GOD... I didn't "change" his password.

When you log into your account, if you hit "new Password" it sends a new password to your e-mail address. I've done it to myself on accident several times before so I know EXACTLY how it works. It still allows you to use your old password. It was done as a joke - tby me to mess with False Prophet and yes, I STILL think it's hilarious how big a deal he and SSR turned it into.

The point is, whether or not I wrote a lockerroom piece about "ban me" or not (read the whole thing, don't judge it by the title), I WAS un-banned unfairly, unwarned and for a ridiculously long time - for instance, more than twice as long as Donte Stallworth paid for KILLING SOMEONE! - because of PERSONAL issues with a mere three users here at AGM. Rawb, SSR and FP are the people to blame for this mess - and to a lesser extent JuT and whoever needs to hide behind HeywoodJablome (clearly another AGM member with multiple accounts)

Point is - if you douches would stick to sports instead of making me your minus target, your barometer for nuisance and arguing magnet, THIS SITE WOULD BE JUST FINE. As stated before - I give what I get - it's why Romi and Cheezer and Erooster get my utmost respect and support, it's why DDub and KD get my deepest analytical insights, why constant producers like Trecole, BigBen and LouGehrig get my positive appreciation and why users like Tmil, ONR, AOEH, LASB and the like get my smart assed comments.

It's why FP, SSR and Rawb get my unadulterated utter nonsense. they blame me for things they are responsible for...

Deragatory comments? SSR - how black is the kettle?


And because these people can't handle a world where people are different than themselves, who see things the way they are instead of how they "think" they are and need to control every nanosemantic statement tat this site has been driven into the Hall of Lame that it has become - because NO ONE is willing to bother to fight their behavior.

There is TOO MUCH negativity and needless comments. There is not enough support or positivity or ***GASP*** here I go again -FUN - around here... but I'm the one who got banned... OK?

Am I an irritant? Sure. Do I make a mockery out of "one size fits all rules"? Absolutely every time.

Deal with it. I'm simply different than you are, so don't paint MY picture with your narrow minded brush.

This is the same thing I said for the past several months... blah, blah, blah... No fun.

Thanks for reading - Manny Stiles
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SSreportersLegend
140 days ago
Score 1+-
You don't care about minuses. And it's still a dick move to give someone a "new password".


Do what you want.


You're the almighty figure of MannyGM.



I'm not going to place much more effort into keeping you in check. Your version of fun is a world where 95% don't think for themselves and agree with every little thing you do and say whilst making a mockery of the 5% that actually do.


I don't know about you. But Rawb, FP, myself, and several others are doing our friggin hardest to churn out quality articles instead of deal with your attention-grabbing ways.


You do everything you once criticized Jamel and initially Tyrone for and think it's okay because you're the untouchable Manny Stiles. I suggest you stop living in the past.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
140 days ago
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Oy. Manny, if you respect this site or anyone on it, please stop doing this. If the 55 Days username will allow you to post content, then please do so. If you truly are through with this site, then, please end this. You're not doing yourself or the users who post on this site any favors.


I miss the long, thoughtful articles that used to be found on this site from Manny Stiles. I may not have agreed with all of the content, but I was rarely bored by it. I miss the insightful comments and reasoned arguments Manny Stiles presented. I don't miss the sniping and deliberate attempts to get a rise.


If you truly love AGM, as you have said you do, set it free.
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
140 days ago
Score 0+-
You know what's the funniest thing?

You actually believe what you type.

"Do what you want." - Well, I'm glad I finally have your permission. Thanks.

Your 95%-5% accusation/corallary just proves that you don't even read what you minus. YOU are in the 95% of people that don't think for themselves, which is WHY you feel the need to minus everything I type. And a world where 5% of people that think for themsleves is not "fun"... it's hilariously optimistic!

This ain't about me getting attention. In fact it's quite the opposite. I don't want, need or even like YOUR (or Rawb's or FP's) personally slanted and non-objective attention.

This isn't about me being "almighty". I'm a contributor, NOT an administrator like you and FP. Never, ever, ever wanted to be, so what sense would it make for me to have power/authority issues?


"several others are doing our friggin hardest to churn out quality articles instead of blah, blah, blah..." - Really? How's that working out for you?

I don't live in the past... but as long as I'm banned I'm paying for sins I didn't commit. I don't want to live in a present or future where my (or anyone else's) freedoms are squashed because of personal agendas that continue without reason, without cause and as Romi even alluded... without a truly logical explanation.

It's been personal. It's still personal. Keep changing the focus all you want - if I was never banned (Banning me WAS a dickmove) then I would have never resorted to as you say "dickmoves". And you think that if you dared to "unban" Manny Stiles that it somehow would be worse than it is now...???

Huh?
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
140 days ago
Score 0+-
It's not about getting "a rise". It's about doing what's right.

This is not a game. This is real.

I can't be free until I am free.

I can't post articles or make comments or message other users with MY user name.

I'm not going to add insight, articles, thoughtful content or any other positive contributions unless it's on MY USER NAME.

It's how I roll. It's my comfort zone - and my comfort zone has been disturbed. This is my rebuttal to being wronged. No explanation. No warning. No respect for a long-time, contributing member of the community. If I can be treated this way, WHO IS NEXT???


As stated many times previously - I give what I get.

Want freedom? Tell FP to stop playing his silly, immature power trip games and give me MY freedom.
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False ProphetAll-Star
140 days ago
Score 3+-
stiles -

grow up, take you punishment like a man, and be thankful we're ignoring precedent and not extending your ban for circumventing the ban.

See you in august,

FP
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
140 days ago
Score 0+-
false -

Why don't you pretend to be a man and admit you were wrong, be thankful I'm not REALLY trying to make a mess/headache out of this situation and stop taunting me ("see you in august"?) with your evident disdain and jealous hatred for me?

See you tonight,

Your hero.
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False ProphetAll-Star
140 days ago
Score 0+-
oh and lets see if the public opinion has changed - Do you support or oppose the ban of manny?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
140 days ago
Score 1+-
Support. Rules are rules.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
140 days ago
Score 2+-
I'll support the ban if you can logically explain why I was banned and why I was banned for 55 days. Or why when JuT lifted the ban after a few days you reinstated the ban for another 55 days from that point...


Especially when the "reasons for banning" was "blocked "Manny Stiles (contribs)" with an expiry time of 55 days (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (insults, thread-hijacking, and generally being an asshole. We'll see ya when football starts again)"


"Insults, thread-hijacking and generally being an asshole" - False Prophet

This is WHY I was blocked???

Psst - How is calling me an asshole on the block log NOT an insult?

and you still cannot justify why I was never warned by you or any other Admin OR why the length of the ban was 55 days OR why it has any correllation to FOOTBALL!?!?! I don't give a rat's fack about football! YOU do.


It was personal. You let your emotions overrule sensibility and you jumped to conclusions that weren't there.


You were wrong. You continue to stand on some imaginary moral high ground in your beligerance and continue to be wrong about this issue.

Insults, thread-hijacking and generally being an asshole... You got some 'splaining to do, FP.


Support the ban with reason and I'll honor it.

Otherwise, I'm being the American Thomas Jefferson told me to be and defying this unjust action. If you do this to me, you'll do this to others. I'm a long-standing member of this community. I've added far more than I could ever detract and I'm being persecuted because a narrow-minded half-wit wannabe communazi with admin status, another admin who can't have a thought without typing it and a turd can't make it through a Manny Stiles comment without needing to understand and define me.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
140 days ago
Score 1+-
When someone turns a thread about sports into a thread about another user, that's thread-jacking. When someone consistently reverts to insults and calling other users "homos" or "gay" in an insulting way, it is a personal attack, as well as a form of hate speech.


Manny frequently utters the motto "I give what I get," which I think demonstrates his attitude toward this site quite succinctly. He only likes people who like him, only respects people who respect him, only loves people who love him.


I don't know about anyone else, but I like people who are likeable. There have been plenty of people I've liked who didn't like me, and plenty have liked me who I've disliked. I respect people who I see as respectable. George Washington, for instance. But George doesn't respect me, doesn't even know me. My like, my respect, my love, and so on are not contingent on reciprocation. But perhaps I'm the only one who distributes respect and love in such a manner.


Manny gives what he gets. He loves AGM when AGM loves him. When AGM is ambivalent toward him, he runs away from it with a flowery retirement. When AGM bans him, he terrorizes it.


His behavior during the ban thus far demonstrates his attitudes to this site and its users. He hasn't used his endless supply of IP addresses to comment on articles in a productive/constructive manner. He's tried to bog AGM down in his typical flame-war BS. His repeated mantras like (I'm paraphrasing) "I would have left had I never been banned" and "I'll only contribute when my username is restored" reeks of ultimatumism and the hardliner rhetoric you'd expect from a terrorist. He's terrorizing this site until he gets what he wants from it.


That's all I'm going to say in an open forum about my opinions regarding Manny and the ban. If you want to message me to discuss further, I'd love to engage in further dialog . I'm sure an insult laden tirade from Manny will respond to this comment, and quite frankly, enough space on this site has been wasted on the discussion of this particular user.
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Anonymous Fanatic #7
140 days ago
Score 2+-
I'm absolutely tired and worn out by your "he called me a homo/gay" argument. Consistently reverts - are you facking kidding me? I could care less that you're gay. If you're offended by the ramblings of a internet commentor, perhaps you need to start wearing big boy pants. Your other "classic" is "Manny goes on and on about how he played baseball" and your go-to material is "retirement".

You're lame, Rawb. Regardless of how much of a turd, how gay or how whatever you are. You live in the past, you think you know it all and furthermore, you think people actually care what YOU think.

AND you blame me for everything you feel guilty about. Always have done it, always will... because YOU can't face reality. Why you feel the need to blame me for your problems, I have no idea...we went through this before in private messages, remember???

I thought you just wanted to battle the "Great Manny Stiles in Your Head" since then it's become apparent that you can't let me be me and you can't stop thinking about me being who I am. Jealousy is a handicap, not a blessing, homey.

I guarantee you - YOU have said each of these things - "gay/homo", "retirement", "Brett Favre" - MANY more times than I have. And yes, you have "insulted" me as many if not more times than I have you... or at least attempted to "chump". I don't care what you think about me. That's not "ego", it's understanding that you're a random nobody I will never meet in REAL LIFE. But yes it does bother me that every time somebody pours their soul and energy into something, you are there to make sure the least important part of the message is entirely over-analyzed. It's weak, Rawb. Weak.

My brother -oh, yeah the brother who was died of AIDS and the same brother who I raised money for an AIDS charity because of -including but not limited to my foray with the Rays - was gay as in homosexual. He was by far my favorite brother. With a subject I dealt with all my life - WHY- WHY- WHY - would I be using "gay" as "hate speech" as you have generalized so many times. This makes as much sense as calling me a "racist" when I spent my entire teen years being raised by Mom's live-in boyfriend - a black man. Just because your gay, or black or a midget or a freaking alien or not doesn't mean I give a shit about you.

However - I DO give a shit about behavior. Because unlike the parameters of being - WE DO CHOOSE how we behave and act. THIS is why I give what I get.

It's NOT that complicated. It's just how I am.

See, this is also why I think you're a turd.

If you act gay or "non-heterosexual" it's called 'behavior' and for me to label behavior as I see it is no more wrong than you calling me "drama queen" or "_______" or "Brett Favre" so lamily time after time. Is it?

Get over yourself, get over YOUR ego in assuming I have one or that I might have the same issues in life as you - YOU don't know me, you only know what you assume. Get over your "use-them-when-they-benefit-your-situation" sensitivities that are only in YOUR head and maybe you'll realize that I ain't the monster that you wish I was.


My "attitude" thus far has nothing to do with my feelings towards this site or the MAJORITY of it's users. Ask them, don't assume because YOU think everyone is just like you.

My "attitude" is "doing what I feel is right". It's right for me to defy an unjustified, unwexplanable and unwarranted ban.

If you dipshits would just realize that - perhaps - just for a second - YOU are the problem, maybe there wouldn't be one!

But here we are... 3 people who can't move on and one banned user waiting, just waiting for you to get over YOURselves... emphasis on the "self"...

Do what's right for the COMMUNITY - for once.

Support the Community and EACH of it's contributors - not just a ban that supports your narrow minded interests or your need to add your worthless two Boston-centric cents to every article and conversation.

Get off Site Scout and DO YOUR WORK, you freeking trolls.

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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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Oppose. You guys overreacted to Manny when he was just "being Manny", and you've become so sanctimonious ever since that I'm opposing on principle. He was here before any of you, and it's unfortunate that he's not a positive presence anymore because of you.
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SSreportersLegend
139 days ago
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You guys overreacted to Manny when he was just "being Manny"


Sure. And Jamel was just "being Jamel". And Pnatt was just "being Pnatt."


Rawb I loved how you wrote 5 paragraphs supporting the ban and then you said "that's all I'm going to say".


Meh, sure unblock him. FP I told you the "being an asshole" should've never been put in there.


In other news, I will invite the guys from 4chan and Enyclopedia Dramatica to contribute to AGM since they're just being themselves.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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I don't think we should have banned them, either. The best way to deal with somebody you don't like is to ignore them. Then again, that would require some kind of self-control and ego suppression on your part, wouldn't it, to allow him to get that last word in there? And nobody can let that happen, you know?

It takes 2 (or more) to flamewar. You guys contributed to this just as much as Manny. You don't like what he says, you can either ignore him or respond at your own risk. But to stoke a flamewar and then cry foul when it gets too intense for you is ridiculous.
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SSreportersLegend
139 days ago
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The best way to deal with somebody you don't like is to ignore them.


The internet doesn't work that way. Ever. You can't apply that rule to every user or else ArmchairGM would be hell.


If there's a problem at hand you don't ignore it.


But what do I know? Manny's unblocked, I'm cool with it (I guess), but be careful what comes at you.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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WTF are you talking about, SSR? "Don't feed the trolls" is the only effective way to deal with someone you don't like. And you've been doing a hell of a lot of feeding, so don't give me that bullshit about the internet not working that way.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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"You can't apply that rule to every user or else ArmchairGM would be hell."

Right, as opposed to what it is right now...
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SSreportersLegend
139 days ago
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Well, a gigantic hell with more people and trolls worse than anything Manny can put up.


BTW interesting how your opinion changed in a few days.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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2 months is "a few days"? 2 months of you guys being as irritating and disruptive as Stiles in your troll-feeding attempts to force him off the site?
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SSreportersLegend
139 days ago
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What's done is done.


I'm mentally out of it and this was a BS ban because he just circumvented it.
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Davis21wylieMVP
139 days ago
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It's over now. Manny is unblocked. And if all of you know what's good for you, you will either contribute in a constructive way or just ignore each other's comments and/or articles forever. In fact, I don't think you should even communicate with each other at all from this moment on.
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RomiezzoLegend
139 days ago
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It's either over now, or it'll keep going back and forth like this until you guys realize that ArmchairGM is a site for people who want to talk sports.

I think it is said best when you register:

What's ArmchairGM?

ArmchairGM is the community for sports fans where you rule. Fans like you write and comment on articles and rate and vote on the best and worst things about sports.

Where who rules? That's right... you rule. The you is not directed to you, as in one you... it's pointing to a whole community who wants to talk sports. That's exactly what Manny Stiles wants. If you don't like it, ignore him. I can't emphasize on that enough.

Why does Armchair rock?

The ArmchairGM sports community is powered by passionate sports fans like yourself. You and your friends know more about the sports world than the so-called "experts."

I think we all know that Manny Stiles is passionate about sports and the teams and athletes he supports (sometimes too passionate). Even though he's passionate about what he detests as well, there's more good that comes into a user than there is bad. To me, another user in this community (whether it's one coming back or a new member joining) is just another mind for ArmchairGM to welcome. Plus, AGM has more potential for people to comment on articles with more members. And if there's spam, or something that doesn't pertain to sports, or something that we don't like... comment admins can always delete the comments, right? Everything else should stay put.

We are all missing the point of what AGM is. It's a website that is not only for me... it's not only for Manny Stiles, it's not only for SSR, it's not only for FP... it's not only for Davis... it's not only for Rawb: it's for everyone! When people check this website out, they should see a positive atmosphere in the articles that are produced and the comments that are provided... as well as the newly added Water Cooler (thanks again, FP, for another good idea).

I think we've all missed the point here. Let's just all do what the Beast said: grow up. I know people have crossed the line; I'm not going to remind people of who did what because I think we've all read it in lockerroom posts and comments about 100 times by now. Let's just all get through this and act as one positive community for a change...
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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
138 days ago
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My inability to let myself get the last word in is amazing...

For my next trick, I'll write a 10,000 word article that could have easily and more effectively written in 1,000 words and laud myself for being so pointlessly long winded.

And yes, my mom is just as ugly as your's, namely because I'm you and "we" (weird) have the same mom - dumbass!

why don't I PRODUCE something? Because I'm you dipshit. And I haven't written anything since I got banned. Instead if focused all my energy on FP, SSR and Rawb hoping to get unbanned in the pointless effort of still being completely capable of producing articles under a pseudonym. Something I never had a problem with before (Ekum, TooMannyStiles, etc). But my ego's so large, I had to do it this way. In fact my ego's so large there's room enough for me to argue with myself!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
139 days ago
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Template:Manny Stiles fans
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
139 days ago
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Son of a Sports Guy! It's been so long since I've commented it's like learning to walk all over again...
take #2:

#694 BAN Manny Stiles
from ALL things credible.
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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
139 days ago
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I've already banned myself from all things credible!
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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
138 days ago
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I thought I didn't care about minuses. Yet, I minused myself?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
138 days ago
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1) You "thought" - thinking will only get you in trouble.

2) You didn't minus "your"self. I minused you. Minusing yourself will make you go blind.

3) You could never be me, beat me or for that matter even beat me off. But you're more than welcome to stick your head up my ass looking to start shit. It only proves my point that people can't keep me out of their minds.

4) If you think you're within a light year of impressing me with your delightful brand of generic immaturity, good luck. If you think you bother me, try harder. PLEASE try harder! At least make it slightly entertaining!

5) Your user name is redundant and furthermore... dumb. But that's the kind of behavior I come to expect from the people who feel the need to be big dawgs in my fan club.

6) YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN...
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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
138 days ago
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I find it hard to disagree with myself. I seem to be making way to many assumptions - but then again, I know what happens when I assume.

I am who I think I am. I can't beat myself (unless I ran track or something - then I guess you're only competing against yourself. So maybe I could). And I do indeed beat off.

Generic immaturity is a trademark of Manny Stiles - so naturally the straw that broke the camel's back would have it too.

Never-the-less, am I boring myself?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
138 days ago
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That's the best you got? Seriously. What IS this crap? It's not witty, it's not even sniffing "funny" and it borders on someone who has unrequited love... (by "borders on" I mean "is drenched in fiery, unending")

Not even a "My Mom's just as ugly as yours" or "I have weak ego issues that's why I have to pretend to be Manny Stiles" or "I am addicted to self-proctology exams while fellating roadkill with my transexual uncle/brother"??? For shame.

I'm embarrassed for both of us. I can't even get a quality wannabe/hater around here?

There certainly IS OneMannyStilesTooMuch. But don't let that stop you. Keep it coming, champ! Have someone wake me when you PRODUCE something worth waking me up for.


until then...

SNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE.....

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OneMannyStilesTooMuchPee Wee
138 days ago
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Clearly, I talk too much

My inability to let myself get the last word in is amazing...

For my next trick, I'll write a 10,000 word article that could have easily and more effectively written in 1,000 words and laud myself for being so pointlessly long winded.

And yes, my mom is just as ugly as your's, namely because I'm you and "we" (weird) have the same mom - dumbass!

why don't I PRODUCE something? Because I'm you dipshit. And I haven't written anything since I got banned. Instead if focused all my energy on FP, SSR and Rawb hoping to get unbanned in the pointless effort of still being completely capable of producing articles under a pseudonym. Something I never had a problem with before (Ekum, TooMannyStiles, etc). But my ego's so large, I had to do it this way. In fact my ego's so large there's room enough for me to argue with myself!
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