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Frank's Pitching Theory Part II- Interesting Article I found that Supports Changes to Growth plates

Posted by Frank Stevenson
653 days ago


I included the link under hot links but I'm not sure it worked right.

I found an interesting article today. It's on Science Daily. Title is: How Pitching Changes Little Leaguers' Shoulders. They did a study on WHAT I was talking about.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071004084045.htm

Please note this paragraph. "One surprise finding in the study was that X-rays showed changes in the growth plate in the throwing shoulder in almost all of the kids. In the past it had been thought that these types of changes only occurred when there was a problem and resulted in pain with throwing."

Now I understand that this should have been only a hot link topic but since a lot of the "conflict" here on armchairgm resulted from this one article I wrote I feel like this is necessary to post.

I also understand that the article continues to talk about how YOU should stop pitching and that these changes in the growth plates can cause injuries. That's the debatable part. A lot of things are done to protect people. In no way would I EVER want to cause harm or danger to a kid. The theory I proposed (or hypothesis as LA called it) is just that. All I was trying to say is that major changes to the growth plates could actually alter the joint so one day it CAN handle the pressures the major leaguers place on that particular joint. However, I also believe that if you alter the growth plates and the joint "somewhat" it will do more harm than good. It would have to be an all or none type of thing. I would never ever want a kid to go through what it would take to find this out. I'm not interested in harming kids. It was just a theory or a "hypothesis".

My other point is that a normal joint (like the body was intended to have) is not meant to handle the pressures placed on them by pitchers today.

I am not here to cause problems guys. I was asked to write something intelligently and that I was interested in. I did that. And look at what it created. I've been called a liar, a fake, challenged on my profession and degree, challenged on everything I have said and wrote. I want to talk about sports. That's all. I'm not here to "wreck" armchairgm or destroy it like others have claimed.

Enjoy the read. Like I said, I do know that this is hot link material but I feel in this circumstance that I needed to make this a locker room article.

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FrankDDiv-I Stud
653 days ago
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Was this posted in the locker room or automatically moved?
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False ProphetAll-Star
653 days ago
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EnyboDiv-I Stud
653 days ago
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Thanks for finding that Frank. Nice little read.
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Bobbyjim45Draft Pick
653 days ago
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This is another interesting story on there you could've linked to. Maybe there is something here...
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
653 days ago
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It's actually a different article with the same quotes. That's why I didn't include it.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
653 days ago
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Great job Frank.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
653 days ago
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I'm really not trying to dwell on the past here guys but I was called a lot of bad things for writing this column and it did start a lot of what's currently going on with armchairgm. No comments on this?
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SSreportersLegend
653 days ago
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You were called a lot of bad things before this....
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
653 days ago
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Uhm, this is what caused a major part of the new developments here. It's interesting that people have decided to ignore this post.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
653 days ago
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People are more concerned with JuT and BPP's CoC. You'll have to starve for attention a little longer since you aren't getting it in their thread.
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JuTMSY4Legend
653 days ago
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Well, i personally am just not interested in this frank...i might read it later...
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
652 days ago
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Hey Manny what's your thoughts on this?
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KelsdadAll-Star
652 days ago
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Frank, as an outside observer, I think if you went back now and re-read your original article and the first few comments you might start to see things from our point of view.

First of all, you wrote, for the first time, a well thought, well presented article, much different than anything else you've done. Then, at the end, made it the same with the picture.

Second, as the title said, it was a crazy theory, so you had to at least expect to get bashed just a little bit.

And third, and my beef with the whole thing, is the inclusion of factless statements. Then, instead of owning up to those statements when confronted in the comments, made it out to be you were the victim in all this, which is in fact not true.

OK, I'm done now.

Funny this should come up again. I was reading a magazine in my hotel room the other nite and a similar article was presented. Talking about youngsters in sports (not specifically baseball, just sports in general), mentioning a "displacement of the growth plates and an overall seperation of the capsules around the affected joints."

Your thoughts, Frank?

And again, I had no problems with your first article, just the way it was presented and your unwillingness to accept criticism.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
652 days ago
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I wasn't unwilling to accept criticism. The problem I had (and yes I did re-read the comments) was that people kept saying they proved me wrong by talking about IP #'s, etc, etc. and how different pitchers didn't hit their prime until such and such.

That had nothing to do with the article.

The major problem I've had with all of this is the down right accusations that I plagarized, am I liar, didn't know what I was talking about, so on and so on. I included the "crazy" part in the theory and along in the article how I knew 99% of the world would disagree with it. If people discussed little league and the pitching counts than I was would have diffinately been alright with things.

To belittle me, state that I am not who I am, that I do not do the profession I do, that I am no smarter than a 5th grader, etc, etc just showed people's ignorance. And now that I've backed it up interested how the same individuals are no where to be found. And to think, this created all the mess and the reasons why certain individuals are busting their asses off trying to come up with a code of conduct. I've even heard that people have quit because they are upset that I've been posting under false information, how I'm not a doctor, so on and so on.

I will answer your other question right in a few minutes.
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KelsdadAll-Star
652 days ago
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I agree, personal attacks have no place here, which is why I don't partake in them. I don't flame, I don't troll, I don't incite. I disagree, I inform, I educate. If people take them all to mean the same thing, that's their problem.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
652 days ago
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To answer your above question I'd almost need to read whatever you are. Yes it is possible for the growth plates to get displaced and fuse incorrectly.

As far as the capsule thing.... the capsule is a fibrous tissue that goes around the joint to protect it. For example, the shoulder is a ball and socket joint. The humerus (arm) at the end is the ball, the socket- shallow curve (glenoid) of the scapula. Think of making a fist with your left hand and a "C" with your right. The capsule goes around the entire joint so the ball can't slip out. The labrum is the end part of the capsule (more fibrous like) which is meant to really prevent that ball of the humerus from dislocating from the scapula. Labral tears need to be fixed so further dislocations don't keep occuring. I think what you are trying to get at is that the growth plates (the end of the humerus) and the end of the scapula might displace AWAY from the capsule? Not really worded right but yes could diffinately happen. That's why it's very important if a young kid DISLOCATES a joint to make sure it's set properly and why they check alignment usually thru x-ray after (besides worrying about arterial and venous problems) shoulder1.jpg

Does this answer your question?
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KelsdadAll-Star
652 days ago
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I really didn't have a question, so I guess my answer is not really. Thanks for the graphic though, pretty informative. You would be remiss in not posting a picture of the back of the shoulder, as a way to point out a common misconception as to the location of many labrum tears in baseball players.
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