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2008 World Series Game 1 Observations

Posted by Kelsdad
403 days ago


Due to temporary work schedule changes, I won't be watching Games one and two live, so my intent was to avoid everything and everyone so as not to spoil my watching on DVR when I got home. Well, thanks to a couple work buddies and my wife, I knew the final score before tuning in, and other than Carl Crawford's big fly, I didn't get any game info, so watching wasn't so anticlimatic.

After reading through the Live Blog thread, and having seen the game in its entirety, here's my thoughts, just in case one or two of you might give half a loaf.


How cool was it to see Michael Jack read the lineups? I could have turned the TV off right then and been happy.

Seriously, the biggest crowd in Tropicana Field history was for a New Kids on the Block concert? Anyone wanting to defend the area's fan base now has no argument.

In 18 of the last 20 Series, the winner of Game One has won the Championship. Of the last six teams entering the series with more than five days rest, only the 2005 White Sox won Game 1.

Shane Victorino was safe at second on the pickoff attempt in the second inning. By rule, any part of a defensive players body in contact with the base becomes part of the base. So, even though Victorino's hand intially made contact with Jason Bartlett's foot before the bag, he was correctly ruled safe.

If Scott Kazmir is so good, how come the bench calls his pitches?

Speaking of Kazmir, anyone who thinks he's better than Cole Hamels really needs to wake up.

The Phils aren't known for their baserunning abilities, yet they ran twice on 3-0 counts in the second inning. Now you know the benefits of advance scouting.

B.J. Upton may indeed become a great all-round player, but he'll never be the best all-round player in his own family.

Barring injury, Evan Longoria will be a first ballot Hall of Famer. No other player on either roster will get in without a ticket.

When a player earns himself the reputation as being a good hitter, his strikezone shrinks from 17 inches wide to about 10. When you have the reputation of being clueless, impatient hitter, it becomes 20-21 inches wide. Ryan Howard's is two feet.

BJ Upton strands four runners his first three AB's on two double plays and a foul popout. Good thing clutch doesn't exist.

Speaking of Upton, what's with the "ole'" move on Victorino's bloop in the fourth inning? I don't think Victorino's necessarily a better defensive outfielder than Upton, but to say Upton's a top 10 centerfielder is wishful thinking.

I'll bet ten bucks where Pat Burrell's foul fly ended up in the fifth inning was the first ball ever in that section. What that says is a) Scott Kazmir had nothing, and hopefully it didn't take you five innings to figure that out, and, b) he knew what was coming. So, again, advanced scouting.

A 96 mph fastball and an 89 mph slider over a long period of time equals the Hall of Fame. Based on what I've seen so far, David Price is more Vida Blue than Steve Carlton.

A good hitting coach would fix Upton's hitting style by now, too much lower body movement to be consistent despite the no stride approach.

Out of all the guys on both rosters, is it possible to be happier for anyone more than Chris Coste?

Seventh inning, Chase Utley singles to center. On the first pitch to Ryan Howard, he's running. Clearly on a sign, Howard takes an 81 mph changeup right in his happy zone. Told you he is clueless.

On the Hamels balk thing. First, the fake throw to third then to first thing pitchers have been doing the last few years is a balk. If umpires don't call that, how do you expect them to call anything else? Umpires go off pitcher's patterns, like with Andy Pettitte. He has the best move in baseball, and is really close to being a balk. On occasion, he does cross the line, but because his move repeats, it's never called. A balk could have been called because Hamels short-stepped to first, but because Pena was running, there was no deception, therefore, no balk.

While it's a bit too early for people holding tickets for Games Six and Seven to worry, I'd still be calling the Rays front office to inquire on their refund policy.

On to Game 2!!

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JuTMSY4Legend
403 days ago
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The Phils aren't known for their baserunning abilities, yet they ran twice on 3-0 counts in the second inning. Now you know the benefits of advance scouting. - They were 4th in the MLB in steals, 6 behind #1 Tampa Bay Seriously Kels, you're on the jinx train...its like everything you say makes my cringe a little bit more...you're killin' me ; - )
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Davis21wylieMVP
403 days ago
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Damn, Justin, you beat me to that by 5 seconds!
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JuTMSY4Legend
403 days ago
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well, almost half those steals belong to Victorino and Rollins...they're a good group of table setters
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KelsdadAll-Star
403 days ago
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What does "baserunning ability" have to do with "stolen bases"? Answer: Nothing
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Davis21wylieMVP
403 days ago
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Told you he'd say that.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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<sarcasm alert/> Yeah, the Phils should fire their baserunning coach Davey Lopes because he sucked as a baserunner...<sarcasm/>
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Davis21wylieMVP
403 days ago
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Good stuff, KD, but it needs to be an article (you're always telling me that about some of my lockerrooms, so I figure I'd return the favor... And I think the Phils should be known for their baserunning abilities -- they were 3rd in the league in total steals and 1st (by a wide margin) in SB%. Now you're going to say that there's more to baserunning than stolen bases (which I agree with), but it's still pretty impressive for a team that also led the NL in HR & was 2nd in SLG%.
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CheezerAll-Star
403 days ago
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Dam. Beat me to it.
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CheezerAll-Star
403 days ago
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Dare I say, Article?
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Davis21wylieMVP
403 days ago
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But I beat Cheezer by 23 seconds, so it's all good...
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JuTMSY4Legend
403 days ago
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A) hope you don't mind the title change

B) Given his standing in the community, I'd still call it an LR topic (I don't see KD quibbling over this not being an article). Its pretty much a stream of consciousness and thoughts on things many people had questions about...

That said, if someone made it an article, it wouldn't bother me...
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CheezerAll-Star
403 days ago
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Article are visible to Anons. The LR is not.
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KiaraK99Soccer Kid
403 days ago
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Good comments K
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KelsdadAll-Star
403 days ago
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If you guys think it's article worthy, then by all means move it, I'm good either way.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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Article. Move it!
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KelsdadAll-Star
403 days ago
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Have fun, Manny?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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"the biggest crowd in Tropicana Field history was for a New Kids on the Block concert"

Well, Mr. Fails the Simple Logic test... The floor of the stadium had seats as well. Capacity magically increases when ticket buyers cover the field.

"If Scott Kazmir is so good, how come the bench calls his pitches?"

If he's so bad, why didn't Cole Hamels throw a no-hitter? Kaz gave up one more hit and one more run (on a fielder's choice) and only pitched one less inning. Oh, yeah... he threw more strikes than Hamels did too...


"Phils aren't known for their baserunning abilities"

Yeah, they scored all those runs on Home Runs and not by running bases...

"I'll bet ten bucks where Pat Burrell's foul fly ended up in the fifth inning was the first ball ever in that section. "

I'll take that bet. Happens all the time - more in the RF section.. You think the catwalks are further away? A-Rod did it twice in one at bat.

"to say Upton's a top 10 centerfielder is wishful thinking"

His arm is top 3 and his glove is MUCH better than one game shows. Besides, name 10 CF that are better... thought so.

"so far, David Price is more Vida Blue than Steve Carlton"

I guess so... Steve Carlton had about 400 IP by the same age as Price is now. Then again... Vida Blue had about 800 IP (and TWO 20 win seasons) by Price's age. Not sure where the comparisons are because it's Apples and Triangles.

"A good hitting coach would fix Upton's hitting style by now"

Yeah, because messing with success (despite a poor GAME last night) is always the best thing to do. The White Sox and Red Sox wish the Rays would listen to you...

"is it possible to be happier for anyone more than Chris Coste"

How about Mr. Mitochondrial Disorder, Rocco Baldelli? (Or Jonny Gomes - the guy of the Christmas Eve heart attack? - if he was on the W.S. roster that is?)

"the fake throw to third then to first thing "

Come on KD, you know the rules!!! If a pitcher steps off the rubber and doesn't make his first move to first - as he will when he fakes to third - he can fake to first a billion and a half times and it isn't a balk.

And Hamels shortstepped to first ONLY because his body was moving towards home plate. Once you begin to move towards home, you CAN'T make another motion. It was a balk.

Hamels even admitted so by saying "They didn't call it a balk, did they?"

But I can also see why the ump didn't catch it. Hell, 60% of pitchers don't come to a complete stop in the windup, and that's a balk.

"people holding tickets for Games Six and Seven to worry, I'd still be calling the Rays front office to inquire on their refund policy"

So you agree the Rays are winning the next 4 too?


Look, the Phillies have nothing to be confident about. They BARELY won that game and it took EVERY call and break to go their way and for their pitching to be superb.

The Phillies batters left HOW MANY runners on base? '24 (ELEVEN runners total)

Pena, Longo and Upton went 0-fer... THAT won't happen again.

To win that game 3-2.... the Phillies were quite simply - LUCKY. Luckier than the Rays were to ONLY give up 3 runs. They won't hold the Rays to 2 runs again, but will the Phillies be able to score more than 3???
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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Oops, missed two:

"In 18 of the last 20 Series, the winner of Game One has won the Championship"

So there's only a 10% chance? No. In an odd twist of fate, THIS World Series just happens to NOT be one of the last 20... right?

In other words - So what. In 129 of the last 132 seasons, the team who had baseball's worst record advanced to the title game the next season... Gee, the Rays did that this year. The past never changes and the future doesn't care anyway.


Oh and I disagrre with you about Ryan Howard too...

I was thinking it was two and a half feet, not two feet.
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JuTMSY4Legend
403 days ago
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I have no problem minusing your comment.

The Phillies have nothing to be confident about - except they just won game one of the world series. And every call didn't go their way...

The Rays didn't leave baserunners on because? They didn't have baserunners - who's fault is that?

Pena, Longoria and Upton went 0-fer because - Cole Hamels is that good

And as they always say (which I firmly think in this case, means your just discounting the fightin's) better to be lucky than good
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
403 days ago
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"Pena, Longo and Upton went 0-fer... THAT won't happen again." We'll see.


As for the Phils and luck...who's luckier? The Phils for Pena, Longo and Upton going 0-fer...or the Rays for Rollins and Howard going 0-fer??? Honestly, if the Rays were facing a full strength Phillies team....well, they'd score more than 3 runs, I think.


Well, I'll leave it to others to tell us that the Rays pitching is what keeps Rollins & Howard at bay. As opposed to the fact that Pena, Longo and Upton simply had an off game and will surely moider the ball the next time they face the lucky Hamels.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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I have no problem with you minusing my comment. Usually when people minus me, it reminds me that I can touch nerves with truth.

Anyhoo...

The Phillies know they aren't going to get another game like that. So do the Rays...


The Rays didn't leave as many baserunners on (5) because they GIDP and got CS'd on a balk...

On occasion, batters MAKE pitchers look good. If Hamels is THAT good, then isn't Kazmir almost as THAT good? Hamels made one mistake pitch, Kazmir make one mistake pitch. Other than Kaz's 4 walks, he was every bit as good as Hamels last night (check the strikes and balls)

And here's a telegram for you - James Shields' changeup and curveball are BETTER than Hamels'...

So Good Luck! Better keep being lucky - because we all know that "Being Good" is more likely to show up in a 7 game series than "Lucky" will...

  • (The saying is "SOMETIMES it's better to be lucky than good", not ALWAYS... and Sometimes is over!)
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JuTMSY4Legend
403 days ago
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Why argue...you're just going to spew shit anyways

If the Rays are better they'll win the series...seems reasonable to me

If the rays lose though...you'll make excuses about why they lost...

I haven't been parading on about how the phillies are better (but you've been going on about the rays). What I do know is that you're discounting the Phils way too much...and frankly i think that's very disrespectful...

if there were truth in your comments...i'd plus them...

anyhoo is right...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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You know, if the Rays weren't in the Series, I wouldn't be on the internet anymore. And if they win and I leave or if the Rays lose and I leave people will call me what they will. I don't give a fuck, I have a life to live...

I only do this sports writing bullshit because I want to educate the brainless drones that believe everything they hear without using their own mind to breakdown assumptions from realities. I want the next generation of sports fans to think for themselves and learn how to see what's really happening instead of just what they look at.

But here I am on the internet fighting a tide of misunderstanding that refuses to give in... I'm weird, I'm a freek, sue me... I really am what I say I am and I don't have to "try" to be this way.

I state reasons and write articles about the things I was wrong about but I don't make excuses. Should I make "excuses" for all the times I was right???

As for "disrespect" - I'm tired of being disrespected too. Fuck me, fuck my opinions and fuck everything I represent if you think I'm disrespecting ANYTHING with my opinions... and see where it gets you.

Truth isn't relative in my comments, JuT. Hindsight is 20/20, sure - someone has to win and someone has to lose - and the memory of the internet is rarely more than 24 hours long. But the regurgitations of misguided perception go on like a communicable disease.


I don't make statements to speak "truths" now - I make statements that I can stand by a month, a year, 20 years from now... it's what I do. Am I 100% correct? Do I believe I am anywhere near perfect? Hell, no... but go back and read my 20,000+ comments and 300+ articles and tell me where I have and haven't been consistent, accurate and downright scary in my ability to predict future events.

I don't just breakdance with my fingers on my keyboard. I say things that mean something. Or at least you can say I used to...

I'm tired of wasting my wisdom on people who don't appreciate it.


My life is too convoluted and stressful to do this anymore. Whether the Rays win or lose truly means less than jackshit to me. It's no fun anymore. I'm out of here.

Enjoy the game.
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Davis21wylieMVP
403 days ago
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Hey Manny: "Seriously, who lit the fuse on your tampon today? You're being quite negative and combative." But I guess everyone is entitled to random flamewarring every now and again...
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KelsdadAll-Star
403 days ago
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C'mon Manny, the rule for a balk clearly says "may not deceive the runner." Faking to third and throwing to first is deceiving the runner on first into thinking he's throwing to another base.

Hamels lifted his leg, then threw to first, his front foot didn't break the plane of the mound, (replay is VERY clear on this), therefore, no balk.

Would it have been a balk if it was Kazmir instead of Hamels?

And why didn't Maddon come out and pull a Piniella? Maybe because he knew it wasn't a balk?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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Rule 8.05(c) Comment: Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base. If a pitcher turns or spins off of his free foot without actually stepping or if he turns his body and throws before stepping, it is a balk. A pitcher is to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base but does not require him to throw (except to first base only) because he steps. It is possible, with runners on first and third, for the pitcher to step toward third and not throw, merely to bluff the runner back to third; then seeing the runner on first start for second, turn and step toward and throw to first base. This is legal. However, if, with runners on first and third, the pitcher, while in contact with the rubber, steps toward third and then immediately and in practically the same motion “wheels” and throws to first base, it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk. Of course', if the pitcher steps off the rubber and then makes such a move, it is not a balk.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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NOTE: it says if he steps DIRECTLY towards that base - Hamels did NOT step directly towards first last night.

I don't care. The Ump missed it and I undestand how - he wasn't watching and it's not an arguable call.

If a manager argues a balk call he's IMMEDIATELY ejected.

Whatever, the game was what it was and the Rays had more opportunities to get ONE more run than that one. It just sucked, that's all.
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KelsdadAll-Star
403 days ago
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So, you have a rule book, so what?

You know its impossible to see a runner on first break while throwing to third, and you also know NO ONE steps off, which is actually the point, and you also know the whole point of faking to third is to deceive the runner on first.

Thanks for sharing the rule though, I'm sure some people here don't know it as well as I do.
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KelsdadAll-Star
403 days ago
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I explained in the article why it wasn't called. If you want me to dumb it down, fine, just ask.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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Has it been THAT long since you played?

It's impossible... IMPOSSIBLE to fake a throw to third and wheel around to first WITHOUT taking your foot off the rubber!

Come on, KD!

I know you're just trying to prove me wrong at every turn, but can you ever admit when I'm right?
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KelsdadAll-Star
403 days ago
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"It's impossible... IMPOSSIBLE to fake a throw to third and wheel around to first WITHOUT taking your foot off the rubber!"

I'm beginning to wonder if you ever played.

You have to take your foot off the rubber FIRST, which is why I said no one steps off.

Why are you making this so hard? If in your opinion it was a balk, fine, again, your opinion. By rule, however, it wasn't.
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KelsdadAll-Star
403 days ago
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We all respect and appreciate your wisdom, Manny, but sometimes you can be a mindless windbag. Like your diatribe above ripping MY observations of the game. You wrote a comment longer than my article trying to discredit what I said, which you can't, because, again, they're opinions.

"downright scary in my ability to predict future events."

Lucky for you none of the other 29 teams won your charity auction, huh?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
403 days ago
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Seriously, I enjoy reading your articles and comments, but you are way over the top with the self-love.
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Davis21wylieMVP
403 days ago
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I always say, it could have been this:


This user is a Kansas City Royals fan.


^And, no, as I type this I'm not even sure that fanbox exists...
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Davis21wylieMVP
403 days ago
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Well, what do you know? It does exist! And not that bad-looking, either!
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
403 days ago
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Dude, get off your freaking high horse. You're no better than any of us on this site. Do you really think that if it weren't for you, none of us would be able to follow the complexities of baseball? Get freaking real...


"I'm tired of wasting my wisdom on people who don't appreciate it." What the fuck is that? Condescend much? Get over yourself, Jesus. As we say to our family memebers...Come down off the freaking cross and join us unwashed asswipes.


And if that offends you, then you are the one with the problem.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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You don't know me, do you? Then STFU and get off your high horse telling me what to do.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
403 days ago
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Does anyone know you? Beyond the pontificating, I mean?


"I only do this sports writing bullshit because I want to educate the brainless drones that believe everything they hear without using their own mind to breakdown assumptions from realities"


Whose realities? Yours? I see plenty of people on this site using their minds and forming their own opinions. The young folks on this site are doing just fine on their own.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
403 days ago
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Well then, let them.

You're absolutely right. Fuck me. As far as I'm concerned everything I did here was charity because it hasn't benefitted me and all I've tried to do is benefit others. A big fucking waste of my time and energy.


I don't matter and I can do that anywhere just as well as I can here...
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