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2008 MLB Iterative Power Rankings, Week 2

Posted by Davis21wylie
578 days ago


Week 2 version of the MLB Iterative Power Rankings (there was no IPR for Week 1 because the teams had not played enough different opponents for the ratings to stabilize).

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JuTMSY4Legend
578 days ago
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6 NL teams in the top 10...and the best AL teams are basically the AL East...minus the sox?!
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CheezerAll-Star
578 days ago
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For the uninitiated, can you give a little more detail as to the methodology behind IPR. Is it solely base runs for and base runs against? Or is there more to it?

I notice that the teams of most interest to me, Milwaukee and Detroit are separated by a mere .020. Since they're both in the lower third of the IPR table, that implies that Milwaukee has won some games that they should have, by their run production, lost.

How does this relate to Pythagorean win projections? Over time, which is a more accurate predictor of future success?
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Davis21wylieMVP
578 days ago
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Base Runs is more predictive than either straight-up win% or Pyth%, yes. But like I said below, it's going to be a while before these ratings are truly meaningful, because the opponent adjustment is so dramatic when you've only played 10-12 games against 3-4 different opponents.
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JuTMSY4Legend
578 days ago
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So Davis...what if we have a Patriots-esque scenario where a team is head and shoulders above its competition, but most of its competition (aka the AFC East) is poor by comparison...would that suggest the team isn't that good even though (as we find out) it was pretty damn good (disregarding the any given sunday scenario as seen w/ the giants) There isn't really a Division in baseball quite like that except maybe the AL central if the tigers keep sucking...
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Davis21wylieMVP
578 days ago
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In football, it could definitely distort things because they play so few games against each unique opponent. But I think that over the course of a 162-game baseball season with inter-division and interleague play, you're going to see the effect be a lot smaller. Under this method, every team is connected to every other team via common opponents, so if you get enough unique opponents, it won't matter that you play in a weak division because you play many non-division teams who play other, different non-division teams themselves, and so on; the iterative process adjusts for the possibility of weak opponents dragging down your SOS.
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Davis21wylieMVP
578 days ago
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Sorry, I posted the rankings before I finished the explanation. Basically I wanted to post the rankings early in the season so we can follow them all year, but these early-season rankings are going to be a bit odd for a while. It only takes data from this season, and since each team has only played a handful of games against a handful of opponents, the iterative process will distort a team's rating until they play more unique opponents.
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CheezerAll-Star
578 days ago
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So, to summarize:
#IPR is better predictor of future wins than either Pythagorean wins or actual wins
#There is no strength of schedule adjustment within the calculations for IPR. It relies on the long baseball season to even everything out.
We currently suffer from the curse of small sample size. The numbers will become more accurate as the season progresses.

Is this a new tool or has it been used successfully in the past to predict the winner of specific games, etc?
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Davis21wylieMVP
578 days ago
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IPR does have an SOS adjustment, that's where the iterations come in to play. Basically I calculate Base Runs scored/allowed for every team... Then I find their expected winning% from those Base Runs... Then I use the formula Power = (OppPower*RawBsW%)/((2*RawBsW%*OppPower)-OppPower-RawBsW%+1) to adjust for each team's SOS, and let the computer run 500 or so iterations, until the ratings no longer change. At that point, you have the IPR, which is adjusted for opponents, opponents' opponents, opponents' opponents' opponents, etc. As the number of unique opponents increases for each team, the schedule adjustment won't be so dramatic, and the ratings will be more stable (and more accurate). As far as novelty, it's kinda new, at least in this form... Baseball Prospectus uses a similar method, but as is the case with everything over there, it's proprietary. Conversely, the IPR is open-source -- you could recreate it yourself if you wanted. I do have to tip the hat to Doug Drinen for the idea, although his Simple Rating System is much more, well, simple than the IPR.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
578 days ago
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I love iteration in A Level Maths. Just bang it in your calculator and keep pressing equals. You can't go wrong! :)
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SSreportersLegend
578 days ago
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It's Saturday Alex....don't you have Formula 1 to watch or something?:) Alright I'll bite.....I will beat anyone here at algebra.
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JuTMSY4Legend
578 days ago
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is math the same as mathematicses?
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JuTMSY4Legend
578 days ago
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ugh Is maths the same as mathematicses
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
577 days ago
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SS: No - it's every other week generally. JuT: Maths is our abbreviation of Mathematics.
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TylersaltAll-Star
577 days ago
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Nice work Dubs. Love it.
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